Pro Pundits

The Spurs assets who have caught my eye in Mourinho’s first two games in charge

One of the world’s best FPL managers, Tom Freeman, takes a closer look at Jose Mourinho’s Tottenham Hotspur in his latest Pro Pundits piece.


In my last article, as part of the Pro Pundits initiative, I talked Wolverhampton Wanderers, with a specific focus on Matt Doherty (£6.0m). 

Since then, the unbeaten run has continued and now stretches to an impressive nine games, despite the Europa League commitments.

With West Ham United next, and importantly, a Gameweek 18 tie at Norwich City, I still think Doherty is worth considering, if you can work him into your structure.

Thanks largely to Trent Alexander-Arnold (£7.1m), Kevin De Bruyne (£10.2m) and Lys Mousset (£5.1m), who now has seven attacking returns in six appearances, a Gameweek 14 score of 61 leaves me with an overall rank of 42,126.

Focusing ahead to Gameweek 15, and beyond, Tottenham Hotspur are a team I’ve looked at. 

Jose Mourinho’s system to date has been effective, particularly on the attacking side, with Serge Aurier (£4.9m) one of the main beneficiaries. 

What we’ve often seen is Aurier high up the pitch, playing as a winger, while the left-back has tucked inside to form a situational back three in possession.

You can see this back three, and how advanced Aurier is in comparison to Jan Vertonghen (£5.2m), from their average positions map versus Bournemouth below.

This transforms Spurs shape into something resembling a 3-2-4-1 when in possession. 

Whilst Aurier is on my Watchlist, Dele Alli (£8.5m) is the player I want. 

It’s a move I decided on last week, having read this quote by Mourinho:

A talent like Dele, he has to be a top, top player. This boy also has that extra of arriving in the box in finishing positions, he’s tall, he’s good in the air, he has to take the best of himself, when the ball is in wide positions, he has to be also in the box as a second man in the box. For me, he is a player who has to play as a second striker.

A quick look at Alli’s shot locations below over the last two Gameweeks suggests he can get back to his best level under Mourinho.

In my opinion, he will keep pace with Son Heung-min (£9.8m), for a smaller outlay. Now I just need to decide when to pull the trigger. 

Another midfielder heavily discussed in the community is Wilfried Zaha (£6.6m), who has scored in successive games.

December’s fixtures look kind but will he get consistently good chances week in, week out? I’m not convinced.

Crystal Palace are a team who don’t take many shots, only Southampton have taken fewer this season, and their 16 big chances is the lowest in the league. 

Roy Hodgson’s approach is safety-first, which makes me think investing in Palace’s defence is the way forward. With Martin Kelly (£4.1m) emerging as an option following the injury to Joel Ward (£4.5m), it won’t cost you much. 

A player at that midfield price point I do like is Jack Grealish (£5.9m). He’s deservedly been picking up a lot of praise recently, and whether he’s playing on the left or in a central midfield role, he’s creating chances (only De Bruyne has supplied more this season), and is now adding goals to his game.

With a Sheffield United triple-up now in place, as I talked about in my article a few weeks back, here’s how I’m set up for Gameweek 15.

Though I will likely roll a transfer, Aurier, Grealish and Alli are all on my Watchlist.

In terms of captaincy, if it ain’t broke… Jamie Vardy (£9.9m).

He scored his 13th league goal of the season against Everton on Sunday and is fast becoming my go-to captaincy option, especially at home, where he’s averaging just over eight points per game.

Thanks for reading… until next time.


Tom Freeman – aka avfc82 – comes onto the team to make most of us feel wildly insecure about our overall rank history. A long-time Fantasy Football Scout user, he has finished inside the top 1,000 a staggering five times since 2009.

806 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Mr. Mystic
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    How nailed is Kelly?

    1. andres
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      worth getting kind of nailed

    2. ZTF
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Likely nailed until Ward is back, which isn't for a while

      1. Mr. Mystic
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Thanks, planning to use one of my 2FT’s for Rico -> Kelly to free up cash, no brainer based on fixtures?

    3. Rhodes your boat
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      From previous comments of others looks like he will be for a few more weeks, Ward due back just before December

      1. Rhodes your boat
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        *christmas

    4. French Gooner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      As jesus

    5. Sloths
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      He plays like he's nailed...….to something

  2. andres
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Pope
    TAA Soy Lund
    Mane KDB Son Tielemans
    Rash Vardy Jimenez

    Kelly, cantwell, Pieters 0.7 ITB 1FT.

    A Pope to Guaita
    B son, tielemans => Alli, Pulisic (-4)
    C rash, tielemans => Mous / Ings, Pulisic (-4)

    1. Rhodes your boat
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Definite A for me

      1. andres
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Want pulisic so bad!

    2. Turns
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Getting rid of Son after two 10 point hauls is madness. Definitely A. Pulisic could do well, but could also be benched

  3. Eleven Hag
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Which midfielder (upto 6.0) could outscore Mount this GW?

    1. ZTF
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Grealish, Cantwell

      1. iL PiStOlErO
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        This

      2. Eleven Hag
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        do u see grealish getting returns at bridge?

    2. lindeg
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Jwp, djenepo

    3. Sloths
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Lord Lundstram blindfolded 🙂

      1. Eleven Hag
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        fpl mid 🙂

    4. All about the galacticos
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      cantwell

    5. Nesvy
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      JWP

  4. Champions united
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Tammy falling again
    Cant take it now
    Tammy+douglas>mousset+zaha. 2 ft

    1. Rhodes your boat
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Hold him

    2. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      You’ll get rid then he’ll be passed fit

    3. lindeg
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Hold

    4. Long ago I drew a walrus
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      He's been 'falling' for the past 2 days. FPL towers are likely holding his price

      1. Mr. Mystic
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Why do they tend to hold price on injured players?

        1. Long ago I drew a walrus
          • 14 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          No clue and don't want to speculate, but we saw what happened with KDB earlier in the season

  5. LewanGOALski
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Martial to Zaha for the next 3 of: BOU wat BHA, and then switch to Grealish/McGinn in GW18

    Yay or Nay?

    1. iL PiStOlErO
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Yay

    2. Karan14
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Do you already have Pulisic?

      1. LewanGOALski
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Yup, since GW11 😉

        1. Karan14
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          Then probably Zaha or a Leicester mid. Think Leicester have better fixtures next 3 (WAT, avl, NOR).

    3. afsr
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      exactly my plan

  6. Atimis
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Best way to get Spurs mid for the weekend?

    1) Auba Maddison Hayden to 4.3 Dele Son -4 (352)
    2) Auba Maddison to Son Tammy (343)
    3) Auba Hayden to Son Mousset (352, Mousset bench)
    4) KDB to Son

    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      3

    2. iL PiStOlErO
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      3

    3. All about the galacticos
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      don't think spurs essential, auba or maddison are as likely to do something

      1. All about the galacticos
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        ahhh the weekend, then 2)

      2. Salah’s Sonnet
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        And yet they are

  7. Mr. Mystic
    • 13 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Tammy to fall tonight? He was red according to stat predictor last night but nothing happened...

    1. iL PiStOlErO
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Yes

  8. ZTF
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Pick two to start:

    A) Aurier
    B) Connolly
    C) Soy
    D) Kelly

    1. lindeg
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      A C

    2. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      A and C

    3. aapoman
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      A n C

    4. iL PiStOlErO
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      AC

    5. ZTF
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Thanks guys

    6. Dthinger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      I'm thinking B and C. Arsenal and Spurs have conceded a lot of goals in the last few weeks, so I'd be backing a striker against a porous defense rather than a defender who has had 7 goals scored against him in his last 5 matches.

  9. aapoman
    • 11 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    What to do? 1ft and 0.0itb. If I were to sell Mount could get a max 6.5 mid to replace him. Guilbert is suspended for the next match.

    Pope
    PvA Lundstram Soy
    Salah Mane KDB Tielemans Mount
    Jimmy Vardy

    4.0; Coady, Greenwood, Guilbert

    1. Karan14
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Save FT this week

    2. The FPL Units
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Grealish

      1. Dthinger
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        for Tielmans or for Mount?

  10. Bonus magnet
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    start 1

    a. tomori
    b. kante

    1. BAMBAA
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      A

    2. aapoman
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      A

    3. iL PiStOlErO
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      B

    4. Karan14
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      B

  11. BAMBAA
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Bench one please?
    A) Mount
    B) Tielemans
    C) Lundstram

    Currently on A

    1. aapoman
      • 11 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Mount could be benched so I'd say him

    2. iL PiStOlErO
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Maybe C

    3. Turns
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Tough one that. Flip a 3 sided coin

    4. Bonus magnet
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      C

  12. Rash
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Not going to do it this gameweek but who would you lose to make way for alli?

    Mane
    Kdb
    Maddison
    Pulisic
    Grealish

    Grealish stands out but requires a downgrade else where.. probs kane.

    Pope button
    Trent Soy lundy janmaat rico
    Kdb maddison mane grealish pulisic
    Kane vardy ings

    .6itb 1ft

    1. iL PiStOlErO
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Kane

    2. Turns
      • 8 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Yeah probs Kane, Grealish -> Alli and a fit-again (and now much cheaper) Tammy next week?

      1. Rash
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Yeah like the sounds of that!

  13. DARK SIDE OF THE LOON
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Rolling the FT with this team. Looks ok?

    Ederson
    Soy/ Kelly/ Rico/ VVD/ Lundstram
    Mane/ KDB/ Martial
    Auba/ Vardy

    Button/ Dendoncker/ Hayden/ Tammy

    Abraham will come in for either Kelly or Rico if we get to hear some good news. Giving another chance to Martial against a still out of sorts Spurs defense,

    Gives me 2 FTs for next GW which always is an advantage.

  14. Karan14
    • 8 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Which move would you rather use a FT on?

    A) Pope to Henderson/Guaita this week
    B) Tomori to Aurier next week

    Aurier rotates well with Soy/Lundy when they both face Pool & City between GW18-21.

    1. iL PiStOlErO
      • 5 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      A

      1. iL PiStOlErO
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        *sorry meant B

    2. Bonus magnet
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      save FT

  15. SAUCY SALAH
    • 7 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Evening peeps, GTG?
    Plan on saving FT, leaves me 2 to sort Janmaat and Mount (if required) for weekend:

    Pope
    Soyuncu | Tomori | Lundstram
    Salah | Mane | KdB | Mount | Cantwell
    Kane | Vardy

    Button | Rico | Greenwood | Janmaat*

    1FT, 0.1ITB

    Thanks

    1. That Was Easy!
      • 10 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Looking great, if you want to drop Salah for Son/Dele that’s never a bad move, but patience with Salah may be fruitful.

      1. SAUCY SALAH
        • 7 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Yes always nervy to sell before a home game, the blank in a few gameweeks could be the time to move him on. Thanks

  16. That Was Easy!
    • 10 Years
    4 years, 11 months ago

    Finally bit the bullet and went Sterling > Mane. Anything worth a hit here?

    Pope
    TAA Lundstram Soyuncu
    Mane KDB Son Maddison
    Vardy (C) Jiminez Ings

    Button; Willems, Guendouzi, Montoya

    0FT...1.9itb

    1. SAUCY SALAH
      • 7 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Nope GTG for me

      1. That Was Easy!
        • 10 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Think I’ll consider Madds > Dele, or just strengthen up the bench, maybe move Pope the next few GWs. No Chelsea attack my only genuine concern but think I’ll be OK

        1. That Was Easy!
          • 10 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          Next week, that is.

          1. AndyCook
              4 years, 11 months ago

              Or Ings to Abraham

          2. SAUCY SALAH
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            Yes possibly, Guendo to Cantwell looks good

      2. Kno
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Looking good except the keeper but that is hardly worth a hit. Would just stay as is

        1. That Was Easy!
          • 10 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          Wanted to make the move, but maybe Pope gets a haul or a Pen save with Aguero out. Wishful thinking.

          1. SAUCY SALAH
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            I have a feeling with everyone moving Pope on, he'll inevitably keep a cleanie against City haha

    2. Kno
      • 13 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      Too passive to roll a transfer with this lot? Got 0.0 in the bank cant really do tammy to anyone worthwile I feel. Getting aurier or willems off the bench is not the worst either I guess.

      pope
      robbo soy lund
      pulisic kdb maddie son mane
      tammy vardy (C)

      aurier willems greenwood

      1. Holmes
        • 11 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Good enough to save

      2. iL PiStOlErO
        • 5 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Gtg

      3. Turns
        • 8 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Pope? Or hoping for save points in the next two?

    3. Doctor Evil
      • 6 Years
      4 years, 11 months ago

      What should I do here? 0.4itb 1ft

      Pope Button

      Robertson Tomori Soyuncu Lundstram Rico

      Martial KDB Mane Son Traore

      Jiminez Tammy Vardy

      I think Tammy & Martial are my main issues

      1. AndyCook
          4 years, 11 months ago

          I’d save the transfer

        • Turns
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          Prob shift Pope if I were yoj

        • iL PiStOlErO
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          Save and put Tomori first on the bench with Rico and Traore.

      2. Mr. Mystic
        • 13 Years
        4 years, 11 months ago

        Can injured players still fall by .3 a gameweek? Or it there a cap?

        1. Holmes
          • 11 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          I guess 0.3 is still a limit but rarely happens

        2. AndyCook
            4 years, 11 months ago

            Still 0.3

        3. Turns
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          Any help would be lovely please FPLers.

          (A) Martial -> Pulisic/Zaha [hope Tammy starts, otherwise Aurier comes in]
          (B) Tammy -> Jimenez
          (C) Both (-4)
          (D) Save FT

          Henderson
          TAA - Lund - Soy
          Mane - KDB - Son - Perez - Martial*
          Tammy* - Vardy
          -----
          4.5 - Aurier - Lowton - 4.5

          1. Tonyawesome69
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            A Pulisic

        4. Tonyawesome69
          • 5 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          Martial > grealish or roll ft?

          start
          a. pope (H vs man city)
          b ryan (A vs arsenal)

          1ft 0.3itb
          pope
          TAA lundy dunk
          mane maddi KDB son martial*
          jimi vardy (c)

          ryan willem connolly rico

          1. iL PiStOlErO
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            Roll

            B

            1. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
              • 9 Years
              4 years, 11 months ago

              this

        5. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          Seeing a lot of Pope out of teams... some for a hit... He is top 4 in terms of points for goalkeepers.

          Granted he has some slippy fingers at the moment but was surely a stick and forget at the start of the season?

          1. JELLYFISH
            • 12 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            Agreed

          2. SAUCY SALAH
            • 7 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            I'd only consider moving him on if I had 2FTs, would rather keep and bank a transfer for sure.
            And even then, if he keeps City out then you would have to consider keeping him still.

            1. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
              • 9 Years
              4 years, 11 months ago

              yep, I have 2FT and neither will be going on moving out Pope

          3. antis0cial
            • 8 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            He has some horrible fixtures and people with 2ft are choosing to go with a keeper with better fixtures, don’t see an issue with that.

            1. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
              • 9 Years
              4 years, 11 months ago

              With 2FT surely there are concerns elsewhere in your team?
              Each to their own but with the minimal clean sheets, even with the top dogs, a goalkeeper is not where I see points incoming.

              1. antis0cial
                • 8 Years
                4 years, 11 months ago

                I’m on WC so irrelevant for me, but I still see the benefits if no other fires to put out.

        6. Drexl Spivey
          • 6 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          Was Tammy in training today?

        7. RamaJama
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          Will Janmaat return this week?

        8. RAFA THE GAFFA
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          Evening all. Best move here with 1FT? 0itb. Or should I be saving? Main issues are Martial, Tammy and Maddison to some extend.

          Pope
          TAA • Soyuncu • Lundy
          Son • KDB • Mané • Maddison • Martial
          Vardy(C). Tammy*
          (McGov. Tomori. Greenwood. Rico)

          1. iL PiStOlErO
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            Save and then do mini wc with 2ft

          2. Drexl Spivey
            • 6 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            I'm not dumping Tammy before a game he might even play. Lampard seemed pretty chipper about him.

            1. RAFA THE GAFFA
              • 8 Years
              4 years, 11 months ago

              What about Martial? Can switch to Pulisic or even Zaha?

              1. Drexl Spivey
                • 6 Years
                4 years, 11 months ago

                Yeah, I've Martial and Madison too, and keeping.

                I don't see that you've got much to worry about, tbh.

                Good team.

                1. RAFA THE GAFFA
                  • 8 Years
                  4 years, 11 months ago

                  Thanks buddy

        9. antis0cial
          • 8 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          On a WC (backup keeper Martin)

          A)Schmeical
          B)Guaita
          C)Hendo

          Back line is TAA Soy Lund Willems Rico

          1. iL PiStOlErO
            • 5 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            B

          2. Holmes
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            B

        10. JELLYFISH
          • 12 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          Tielemans > KDB -4?

          No other Citeh and KDB riding tonight.
          Figure Vardy and Soy enough Leicester cover

          1. Holmes
            • 11 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            Dont think he is required

          2. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
            • 9 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            lol assume that is `rising`
            KDB amazing but City are firing blanks all over the field, his points could dry up too.
            Priority would be Spurs assets and `ride` this upturn they have with the Special One.

            If you have Spurs though, looks like a good transfer

            1. JELLYFISH
              • 12 Years
              4 years, 11 months ago

              I have Son.

              1. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
                • 9 Years
                4 years, 11 months ago

                he will be a consistent source of points this season but after Burnley next 3 fixtures do look a little iffy.

                If you are considering him long term then pop him in.

                1. JELLYFISH
                  • 12 Years
                  4 years, 11 months ago

                  Yeah, might not be the best time to bring him in. Tielemans not done much in last few though

        11. nkhoughton
          • 9 Years
          4 years, 11 months ago

          0.0 itb 2FT

          Pope
          Tomori Lundstram Soyuncu
          Mane Sterling KDB Mount Son
          (C)Vardy Abraham

          Mcgovern Kelly Aurier Connoly

          I need to do something with tammy but unsure on what to do I have 2 frees

          Tammy's sale price in 7.5

          1. AndyCook
              4 years, 11 months ago

              Mount to Pulisic, Abraham to Ings. Then downgrade Sterling to get him back next week or two

          2. Long ago I drew a walrus
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            Was all set to do Mount -> Zaha but now not so sure. Bournemouth have lost their last 3, and are likely to lose their next 2 after this week (LIV, che). I fancy them to have a go and get something against Palace. Palace have beautiful fixtures, but that's been a common trap and I think this is another one.

            If not getting Zaha, can save a transfer and get Alli or even Son for the weekend using 2FTs.

            1. Eleven Hag
              • 7 Years
              4 years, 11 months ago

              If Bournemouth are set to have a go at palace, it cud only be gud for zaha on the counter

          3. Atwood
            • 14 Years
            4 years, 11 months ago

            Evening all, what should I do here?
            2FT's. 3.5 spare.

            Pope
            TAA - Tomori - Soyuncu - Lundstram
            Mane - KDB - Mount - Tielemans
            Vardy - Jiminez

            Button - Abraham - Rico - Dendonker

            1. Atwood
              • 14 Years
              4 years, 11 months ago

              Whoops, Abraham is actually Ings.

              1. Long ago I drew a walrus
                • 14 Years
                4 years, 11 months ago

                Then play Ings, over Tomori

                1. SAY MY NAME
                  • 7 Years
                  4 years, 11 months ago

                  this, and maybe use 1 ft for pope or button to hendo, or tielemans/mount to son/alli

            2. iL PiStOlErO
              • 5 Years
              4 years, 11 months ago

              Tielmans to Sonny