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Son absent as Royal is handed Spurs debut

Crystal Palace v Tottenham Hotspur, the first of eight Premier League fixtures on a busy Saturday, gets Gameweek 4 underway at Selhurst Park.

Kick-off is at 12:30 BST.

The headline team news is the absence of Son Heung-min, who Nuno Espirito Santo had intimated would miss this fixture with a calf problem picked up over the international break.

Santo makes three changes to the side that began the win over Watford in the Lilywhites’ last Premier League outing.

Steven Bergwijn is, like Son, injured, while Davinson Sanchez misses out as he needs to follow Covid-19 quarantine protocols having being involved with Colombia over the last week.

Emerson Royal comes in for his debut at right-back, while Harry Winks and Lucas Moura also start.

Patrick Vieira names the same starting XI from Crystal Palace’s 2-2 draw at West Ham United in Gameweek 3.

Summer signings Odsonne Edouard, Will Hughes and Michael Olise take their place on the bench.


GAMEWEEK 4 LINE-UPS

Crystal Palace XI: Guaita, Ward, Guehi, Andersen, Mitchell, Kouyate, McArthur, Gallagher, Zaha, Ayew, Benteke

Subs: Butland, Milivojevic, Tomkins, Olise, Hughes, Clyne, Edouard, Kelly, Riedewald

Tottenham XI: Lloris, Tanganga, Royal, Dier, Reguilon, Winks, Skipp, Hojbjerg, Alli, Kane, Moura

Subs: Gollini, Doherty, Gil, Rodon, Ndombele, Davies, Scarlett, Omole, Markanday

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  1. Big boy Bowen
    • 7 Years
    2 years, 6 months ago

    Might need a WC to sort my WCed team out

    1. Khark
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      +1

      1. Big boy Bowen
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        It legit might be down to GOALONSO to save my season later

    2. No Professionals
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      That’s the spirit! 1 player has played…

      1. Big boy Bowen
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        It’s more the fact of looking at my overall team and not liking it and spotting holes everywhere

        1. Pinturicchio10
            2 years, 6 months ago

            😆

          • No Professionals
            • 6 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            How have those holes become apparent since the deadline passed?

            1. Big boy Bowen
              • 7 Years
              2 years, 6 months ago

              Made the decision to play it last minute, but wasn’t fully committed but felt I had to do something

          • Tomerick
            • 9 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            It is difficult when you have so little time between game weeks to plan it.

            1. Big boy Bowen
              • 7 Years
              2 years, 6 months ago

              I just wanted to give it as little thought as possible over the break. I needed it

              1. Tinkermania
                • 4 Years
                2 years, 6 months ago

                Your team is fine. Just remember Spurs are not all that without TALISMAN Son Heung M.

                1. Big boy Bowen
                  • 7 Years
                  2 years, 6 months ago

                  If Lukaku/Ronaldo do well today I may have to take him out

    3. F4L
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Sterling vs Leipzig, Torres vs Southampton next week. Please Pep

      1. Hazz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Honestly probably most likely - but you could see Torres getting subbed early today.

        Foden & Sterling could both come on in that spot. Even KDB.

        1. F4L
          • 9 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          yeah, can't see Torres being given 90. But the start today is big, he really is Pep's #1 striker now. As long as he keeps scoring, there's no reason Pep will revert back to a false 9 (unless to give Torres a rest).

          1. Hazz
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 6 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            Agree. Looking to bring him in GW8, after CHE/LIV.

      2. IAWC ( It's a Wonderfu…
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Hopefully

    4. DandyDon
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Edouard managing to do in 10 minutes what Benteke hasn't managed to do for about 4 seasons now! why did it take them so long to sign a better forward. lol

      1. Nanoelektronicar
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Probably waiting for Hodgson to retire to give funds to new manager. Not saying that Hodgson would definitely bring bad player, it's just makes no sense to give him funds to bring players when he's about to leave.

      2. Khark
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Remember the Aston Villa Benteke? He was a class FPL asset back in the day

    5. Cok3y5murf
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Imagine wildcarding and picking Ronaldo over Edouard + 6m

    6. Fish up a tree
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Spurs had been lucky to not concede in the first 3 games so I have no sympathy with anyone who bought the likes of Dier Reg etc. Look at the stats next time or watch the highlights!

      1. Big boy Bowen
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        The whole game is luck based so point is redundant either way

        1. Fish up a tree
          • 2 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Yes there is but there is some skill & common sense involved

          1. Big boy Bowen
            • 7 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            I kept Kane and Son in GW2 last season by mistake and they got me 80 odd points

            1. Big boy Bowen
              • 7 Years
              2 years, 6 months ago

              *60 odd even

            2. TomSaints
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 6 Years
              2 years, 6 months ago

              That gameweek should have a trigger warning.

              I wildcarded and came out 53 points worse off

              1. Big boy Bowen
                • 7 Years
                2 years, 6 months ago

                I literally played my WC last minute and ran out of my time and as a result still had Kane (C) and Son.

                It was great to see but felt unjust and bizarrely annoyed at the same time

          2. Twisted Saltergater
            • 14 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            We’re all making reasonable choices. It’s all luck after that.

          3. Big boy Bowen
            • 7 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            The skill and common sense is picking the highest owner regular haulers.
            The cheaper mid differentials who perform/fail is where the luck lies

            1. Big boy Bowen
              • 7 Years
              2 years, 6 months ago

              *mid priced

        2. MGMT
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          All comes down to the amount of luck needed… Not the same amount of luck needed for Man United to beat Newcastle than viceversa. Stats helps figuring that out

          1. Big boy Bowen
            • 7 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            Watch it be 0-0 now or summat lol

        3. No Professionals
          • 6 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          The hole game is not luck based, if it was the results would be more random

          1. Big boy Bowen
            • 7 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            Spurs 1-0 City
            Wolves 0-1 Spurs
            Spurs 1-0 Watford

            Palace 3-0 Spurs

            1. Fish up a tree
              • 2 Years
              2 years, 6 months ago

              Like I said Spurs we’re lucky to get clean sheet in those games. Today they were found out

              1. Big boy Bowen
                • 7 Years
                2 years, 6 months ago

                Lucky 3 times in a row, 1 game reality happens.
                Shows how much luck is therefore involved

          2. DARE TO BISCAN
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 5 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            Erm, 'The hole game'

      2. We Go Again
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        GW12 seems a good time to bring a Spurs defender in

    7. DBW - Slug's Mortgage …
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Leicester win the next shock

      1. F4L
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        nah no chance. Easy City 0-2 or 1-3.

      2. FPL_Crisis
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Barnes to score of course

        1. TomSaints
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Typical but inevitable

      3. GROBARI
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        CP winning isnt a chock

      4. Joey Tribbiani
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        thats not a shock

      5. AC/DC AFC
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Could be a draw?

    8. FPL_Crisis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Ronaldo EO 115%
      Bruno EO 32%

      Gonna end in tears

      1. Davros
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Wow

      2. Davros
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        How is that- he’s only owned by 27%??

        1. Drexl Spivey
          • 5 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Top 10%

          1. Drexl Spivey
            • 5 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            10k rather

            1. Davros
              • 14 Years
              2 years, 6 months ago

              Got it. Cmon Bruno punish those sellers!

        2. FPL_Crisis
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          livefpl says 65% owned so must be within the Top10k

      3. Big boy Bowen
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Bruno (C) could be MASSIVE wow

      4. Bubz
        • 10 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Cmon Brunoooo

      5. IAWC ( It's a Wonderfu…
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Lukaku eo is just 12 to 16%

      6. F4L
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        crazy to see how low Lukaku's EO is.

        1. Gandalf
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Tough matches coming up, slight injury concern, not braced yet and the ronaldo distraction so not too surprised by the low figures

      7. We Go Again
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Bruno owner here, I am very nervous

      8. The Kopite
        • 2 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        What is EO?

        1. Drexl Spivey
          • 5 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          % ownership plus those amongst them who captained.

        2. Khark
          • 8 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Effective Ownership. Some people make all their fantasy judgements based on EO. I tend to try not think about it too much, clouds judgement imo.

          1. Drexl Spivey
            • 5 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            All?

    9. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Running down the wing, hear United sing…

      1. Pep Roulette
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Viva Ronaldo!

    10. Davros
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Lol@ North London football

      1. Hazz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        London is blue.

    11. Carlton P
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      How is Cantwell, Gilmore and Rashica not playing?? Auba is getting a brace today…maybe even an Arsenal cleanie

      1. Hazz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Gilmour has not been effective in his position, essentially. Doesn't mean he won't be back in again but if you browse the Norwich forums it'll give insight as to why they thought this could happen.

        1. Carlton P
          • 8 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Ahhh really. I will be honest I have no idea how Norwich have been playing this season. But to bench all three though…that’s a big statement sent by the manager

      2. Nanoelektronicar
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Not on the mighty Kabak's watch.

    12. Lingard’s Shin Guards
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      wonder how clark lascelles and hayden are feeling right now

      1. Nanoelektronicar
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Spared from habilitation and happy about it

        1. Nanoelektronicar
          • 9 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          humiliation

    13. HashAttack
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Switched from a -16 to WC at 10:53 this morning so that I could two more transfers - Kane and Tanga out for Ronnie and Tierney 🙂

      1. Hazz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Oh wow, yeah that saved your a heck of points.

        1. HashAttack
          • 7 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Just wish I had swapped out Gilmour too ...

      2. Gunneryank
        • 2 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        This kind of story is heartwarming.

      3. Khark
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Why would you ever be considering a -16? Shoulda wildcarded ages ago if thats the case.

    14. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Spurs been found out.

      Playing defensive football going to get you into trouble.

      1. Hutchiniho
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        playing their 5th and 6th choice CBs and a man sent off got them into trouble.

      2. Cok3y5murf
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Weren't you the one telling everyone to pick Spurs defenders and Lloris?

        1. FOO FIGHTER
          • 4 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Lloris ues.

          1. FOO FIGHTER
            • 4 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            *yes*

      3. Big boy Bowen
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Hopefully goals coming up for Kane from more attacking football then

      4. F4L
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        missing so many first teamers.

    15. Hutchiniho
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      A Torres and Bruno

      or

      B Ronaldo and Cancelo?

      1. Lingard’s Shin Guards
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        b

      2. FOO FIGHTER
        • 4 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Torrs & Ronaldo.

        1. Hutchiniho
          • 5 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Torres is a FWD in Tel.
          Can't get them both with Antonio and Lukaku already 2/3

      3. Big boy Bowen
        • 7 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        I have A

    16. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      It's early days but Palace have honestly done so well this window.

      So many changes is always risky but they must be delighted with these performances.

      1. Tasty Jerk
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Yeah - most of us knew this would be a risky season, clearing out so many older players, loads of young ones a new manager. But needed to happen and on our recent showings going well! 🙂

        1. Hazz
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 6 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          You guys are unofficially my second team, so happy for you. Palace beer festival is a good day out!

          1. Tasty Jerk
            • 11 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            Cheers - haha yeah the Palace beer festival always a good one, hopefully back next year 🙂

      2. F4L
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        just imagine if Eze was fit. Zaha Edouard Eze with Gallagher bombing forward from midfield.

        1. Andy_Social
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          I thought they boxed very clever in the market, and this performance shows that. They'll be perfectly safe this season.

    17. Lingard’s Shin Guards
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      feeling happy for viera

      hopefully palace have a decent year

    18. FOO FIGHTER
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Will Ronaldo sweep clean?

      1. mcpoop
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        He will sweep the leg.

    19. Pep Roulette
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Why oh why did I take Odegaard over Gallagher?

      1. TheBiffas
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        hindsight is the devil. don't beat yourself up

        1. Lingard’s Shin Guards
          • 5 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          exactly. obviously thought odegaard would get more pts - he still could!

      2. Andy_Social
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Hang on, Ode might still see you good.

    20. thepancakeman123
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Going Benrahma > Raphinha next week. Is it worth taking a -4 to go Smith-Rowe > Gallagher to avoid the Gallagher price increase? An increase of 0.1 and I cannot afford him

      1. Twisted Saltergater
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        It’s the hits which kill your rank. Pick good players and be patient.

        Arsenal have an excellent fixture run.

      2. Khark
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Why do you need Gallagher? Look at his fixtures and don't chase the last 2 weeks points.

      3. Lanley Staurel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Just jumping around losing points and rank. Patience….!

    21. Hiiler
      • 2 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Just curious don't own Tanganga, but saw the game he was sent of before any goals were scored why did he get -1 for goals conseded? Isn't the rule you have to be on pitch while goals are scored/conceded to get -+points?

      1. LSK
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Not if you’re sent off

        1. Hiiler
          • 2 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Ok tnx for the answer.

      2. The Train Driver
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        That rule only applied when subbed off, not when sent off.

        1. Hiiler
          • 2 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Thnx for clearing that up.

      3. AleksaMaster
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Only for subbed players, not if he got red card.

        1. Hiiler
          • 2 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Ok thnx

      4. Twisted Saltergater
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        He continues to be penalised as a result of the RC. Otherwise, he could’ve been sent off after 60 mins and bank the CS and bonus.

        1. AC/DC AFC
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Effectively the sending off contributes to the result...

        2. Hiiler
          • 2 Years
          2 years, 6 months ago

          Ouh so you mean if a player get sent off(red card ) , he also looses a CS if he had it before the red card?

          1. Twisted Saltergater
            • 14 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            If the team go on to concede, yes.

          2. Big boy Bowen
            • 7 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            Not sure actually! He was 2 mins short but I’d be interested to know if a player gets sent off after 60+ mins and the team doesn’t concede whether they get clean sheet points or not

            1. Tinkermania
              • 4 Years
              2 years, 6 months ago

              He keeps a the clean sheet for sure. That happens a lot.

            2. Fitzy.
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 12 Years
              2 years, 6 months ago

              Of course they do

            3. Twisted Saltergater
              • 14 Years
              2 years, 6 months ago

              If the team go on to concede then He definitely doesn’t keep the CS!

          3. FPL Theorist
            • 4 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            He can keep the CS if he played at least 60 minutes and his team keep the CS until FT.

          4. dadoune30
            • 14 Years
            2 years, 6 months ago

            I think Richard Dunne got -6 pts some years back after being sent off before 60 mins and saw his team Man City beaten by Middlesborough 8-0 i remember

    22. Andy_Social
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Don't suppose we'll see Tanganga for a while. Pity as he made a decent start. Romero and Sanchez will compete with Dier for the 2 CB spots and Royal will remain wingback. Bad timing Tanganga, in both senses.

      1. EL tridente
        • 6 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Romero clearly number 1. One of the best CBs in Serie A last season

      2. TheBiffas
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Surely romero will become nailed on and sanchez and dier will battle for the second spot?

      3. Ze_Austin
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Yeah. Gotta sell him for Semedo as my GW5 transfer now

    23. gooberman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Man City's bench is ridiculous!

      1. Khark
        • 8 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        was just thinking this

    24. InterUranus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Is there a way of viewing the template team? My team was 89% template rated last week but it's now dropped to 67%. Would be interesting to see where the differentials are.

      1. Twisted Saltergater
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        By definition, you have the differentials.

      2. Carefree Crew
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        livefpl site has ownership stats. Also if you've entered your team it displays players that can hurt your rank. Ownership & EO %s.
        By looking at that it might give you an idea.
        Filter on transfers page of FPL site by "teams selected by %".
        Change from ("total points" tab)

    25. FPL_Crisis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      the warm up scenes at OT are nuts. as a non owner i'm hoping Ronaldo only scores the one then gets carded for removing his shirt 🙂

    26. Top Lad Dakes.
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Right, if Harvey effing BArnes outscores Torres today……

      1. Twisted Saltergater
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Torres subbed on 59 mins. 1 point.

        I have him 🙂

      2. Old Man
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        I'm with you. I decided to take Torres out a fortnight ago instead of the aforementioned Barnes. That went well. I brought Torres back in again (Noddy mistake, I know) so watch the Barnes machine crank into hyper mode.

    27. Magic Zico
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      This Gallagher guy can't be ignored ... 😛

      1. Twisted Saltergater
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        vs Liverpool?

    28. DandyDon
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      sofa time approaching, no Utd or City attack!
      3 pool, 2 everton and Lukaku to come after 3pm. No pressure West Ham attack...

      1. FPL_Crisis
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        no united wow, thats BRAVE

    29. gooberman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Utd's warm up tops look attrocious! Even Ronaldo doesnt look good in it!

      1. Zimo
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        It's to distract the other team

    30. THE SHEEP HUNTERS
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 6 months ago

      Arsenal dominant.

      1. Harry the Hack
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        Are they actually? Not watching so I don't know, but given who posted, not sure whether this is sarcastic

      2. Sun Jihai
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 6 months ago

        5 shots already