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There’s one more Gameweek 17 match to go before Fantasy Premier League (FPL) managers get their sole rest day ahead of back-to-back Gameweeks.

Leeds United v Manchester City is the fixture in question, with kick-off at Elland Road set for 20:00 GMT.

It’s almost entirely about the visitors from an FPL perspective, with only one member of Leeds’ starting XI, bench fodder’s Sam Greenwood, owned by more than 2% of Fantasy managers.

Five City assets boast double-digit ownerships, by contrast, but two of them, Joao Cancelo and Phil Foden, aren’t part of Pep Guardiola’s line-up tonight.

In fact, only two of the eight City players who reached the quarter-finals of the 2022 FIFA World Cup with Portugal or England make the team this evening.

It’s John Stones and Jack Grealish who get the nod, with Kyle Walker, Bernardo Silva, Foden, Cancelo and the newly portly Kalvin Phillips on the bench.

Ruben Dias is injured.

Above: FPL assets sorted by ‘effective ownership’ in the top 10k (via LiveFPL)

Guardiola has largely gone with the same team that defeated Liverpool in the EFL Cup last Thursday, making three changes: Stefan Ortega, Aymeric Laporte and Cole Palmer are replaced by Ederson, Stones and Grealish.

Jesse Marsch has got a number of his injured and ill players back this evening, including Illan Meslier and Rodrigo.

Patrick Bamford misses out and Crysencio Summerville, who like Rodrigo has scored three goals in as many league matches, is only on the bench.

GAMEWEEK 17 LINE-UPS

Leeds United XI: Meslier, Kristensen, Struijk, Koch, Cooper, Forshaw, Roca, Greenwood, Gnonto, Rodrigo, Aaronson.

Subs: Robles, Ayling, Firpo, Llorente, Gyabi, Klich, Summerville, Harrison, Gelhardt.

Manchester City XI: Ederson, Lewis, Akanji, Stones, Ake, Rodri, Gundogan, De Bruyne, Grealish, Haaland, Mahrez.

Subs: Ortega, Walker, Phillips, Cancelo, Laporte, Bernardo, Gomez, Foden, Palmer.


GAMEWEEK 17 RESULTS SO FAR

Manchester United3 – 0Nottingham Forest
Chelsea2 – 0Bournemouth
Arsenal3 – 1West Ham United
Aston Villa1 – 3Liverpool
Southampton1 – 3Brighton and Hove Albion
Leicester City0 – 3Newcastle United
Everton1 – 2Wolverhampton Wanderers
Crystal Palace0 – 3Fulham
Brentford2 – 2Tottenham Hotspur

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  1. AD2110
    • 8 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Are all the press conferences tomorrow?

    1. AD2110
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Newcastles one in particular

  2. Lallana_
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    What path?

    Option 1
    GW18: Nunez>Havertz, James>Robertson (-4)
    GW19: Martial>Mitrovic
    GW20: Mount>Kulu

    Option 2 (keep benching James)
    GW18: Save FT
    GW19: Martial>Mitrovic
    GW20: Nunez>Kane, Mount>Hojberg

    Option 3
    GW18: James>Shaw
    GW19: Martial>Mitrovic
    GW20: Mount>Kulusevski

    1. Paqueta Rice
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Very easily option 3

      You have Hojberg in one of those btw must be a mistake

      1. Lallana_
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Hojberg an enabler to rotate and give one DGW

  3. Sun Jihai
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Worth doing Trossard to Almiron for free? 0.2m price swing tonight, Almiron seems in the must have category looking at his form now continuing post restart and Trossard not having a single shot this GW when Brighton score 3 is disappointing!

    1. banskt
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      I think so, yes. Most active managers will buy Almiron to hedge the bets.

    2. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      What is your concern here that you’ve needed to ask?

  4. Letsgo!
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Pope
    Trippier gabriel shaw
    Martinelli kdb rash andreas
    Kane haaland wilson

    Subs ward james bailey bueno

    Gtg? Wait for 2 free transfer then see what to do with rjames?

    1. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      See team below for inspiration. You were close.

  5. FPL Brains
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    KDB to Salah worth it? Didn't see the City game, how was De Bruyne?

    1. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      He was fine, keep him. I have both though.

      Kepa
      Trippier Gabriel Shaw
      KDB Salah Trossard Martinelli
      Wilson Haaland Martial

      Ward Andreas Perraud Patterson

      Tross is now Rashford.

      1. FPL Brains
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Nice team

      2. Letsgo!
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Nt bad

    2. NATSTER
      • 15 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      On the right day, he should get 1G + 2A (at least) from last night performance.

    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Please clarify what your message is with this link?

      1. Freshy
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        The wrong way to defend a 1 v 3

  6. the dom 1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    G2G for GW18?

    Kepa
    Trippier, Cancelo, Shaw
    Almiron, Salah, Martinelli, Rashford
    Nketiah, Kand, Haaland

    Ward, Andreas, White, Bueno

    Would you play Andreas over Nketiah?

    Thought welcomed.

    1. the dom 1
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Kand should be Kane lol

      1. SpaceCadet
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Nah G2g

        1. the dom 1
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 12 months ago

          Cheers mate

      2. Sheffield Wednesday
        • 5 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Kan d Kane - how festive.

        1. the dom 1
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 12 months ago

          Hahaha 🙂

    2. Shultan
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      I have very similar team to yours expect have KDB, Darwin & James instead of Salah, Kane & beuno & I'm playing nketiah over andreas mainly because of Arsenal being better team. It's a tough decision though

    3. Jase3377
      • 6 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      1 Diff to mine. Nketiah v Martial. Also considering playing Andreas but I prob won't,

    4. Hotdogs for Tea
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Think I would play White over Shaw, otherwise you are good to go.

  7. SpaceCadet
    • 12 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Best move here? 0.8m itb

    A. James > Cucu
    B. Save ft

    Kepa
    Trippier shaw white
    Salah saka kulu rashford almiron
    Haaland Darwin

    Ward James greenwood Patterson

    1. the dom 1
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Prob save and just have 2FT GW19

      1. SpaceCadet
        • 12 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Cheers

    2. Shultan
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Save

  8. Shultan
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Whats your biggest regret with unlimited transfers? Mine is KDB over Salah
    Don't regret James as injury just bad luck & Chelsea did keep CS
    Don't regret Darwin either but got swayed to KDB because of city's 2 DGWs.
    Can see selling getting a couple of goals v Leicester whilst KDB likely to be benched

    1. the dom 1
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Maybe getting Nketiah over Mitro but still managed to pull 111 points this GW17 so happy with that score all the same

      1. Shultan
        • 9 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Great score!
        I have nketia too but don't regret that transfer as based on Silvas comments it made sense not to get mitro & have a player that was an injury doubt
        Most people avoiding transferring a player if managers says there a doubt so think sensible decision based on info at the time

    2. gart888
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Regret Martial over Mitrovic. Pencilled in swapping Mitro in for him for their DGW, but now he'll be more expensive when I do it, and I'll have to spend a FT on it. Wish I'd just kept it simple.

    3. lugs
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      last transfers were taking out Kepa and Almiron for James & Bailey, logic being i thought James could outscore Almiron over the next few games, and Bailey could outscore whatever cheap defender i was going to get, i didn't really want to sell kepa having owned him for ages but i just did it to raise funds and got Iverson as backup for Ward 🙁

    4. DLLM
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Changed salah and martial to kdb and nunez at the last minute..

  9. Triple Free Bench Hit Boost
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Should we read too much into Cancelo not starting? Just a 1st game back from World Cup thing and he will be back in the XI well before the City double GW right? He always seemed the most nailed defender.

    1. Shultan
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      I am bit concerned peps gone of him & will rotate him.
      EFL game I understand but wasn't expecting today's benching. If he gets rotated again in next 3/4 GWs he will be gone after DGW20 l. Can't have a player that expensive in my team who is a rotation risk. Its why I avoided foden & went KDB which I regret

    2. Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Seems he is now a DM?

      1. gart888
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        He did get into the box and took a shot (that was blocked) once late in the game today.

    3. McGurn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      A little concerned but perhaps a combination of rest and reward for Lewis. i am sure he will be back long term.

    4. Hotdogs for Tea
      • 10 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      No, not concerned, the games are coming thick and fast and take a bit of comfort that he was benched in a game City conceded.

  10. gart888
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Kepa
    Trippier Cancelo White
    Salah Martinelli Almiron Rashford
    Haaland(C) Darwin Martial

    Ward Andreas Bueno James
    1.8 ITB

    A) James to Cucurella to stick to my Chelsea DGW plans.
    B) James to Robertson to stick to my big at the back trio.
    C) James to Botman to raise funds for later.
    D) James to Shaw to split the difference between B and C.
    E) Roll transfer.
    F) Other.

    1. Bluetiger1
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      E

  11. Bruno Commando
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Hi everyone, how long do we have till the next price change?

    1. gart888
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      45 minutes.

      1. Bruno Commando
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Thanks G!

        1. gart888
          • 11 Years
          2 years, 12 months ago

          I've failed you. 🙁

          1. Bruno Commando
            • 11 Years
            2 years, 12 months ago

            Haha no worries mate! Thanks for the response still 🙂

  12. The Polymath
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Would you do James to Laporte if you don't have Cancelo?

    1. Francescoli
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Personally I’d go Chelsea or Man Utd for value in that scenario

  13. MR Penquin
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Almiron price rise

    1. gart888
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Rashford too. I thought they happened in a little over a half hour?

  14. Francescoli
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Rises
    Rashford (6.8), Almiron (5.9)

    Drops
    Trossard (7.0)

    1. snow pea in repose
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Thank-you

    2. RICICLE
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Cheers man!

      Can I just ask what time do price changed happen UK time? First time I’ve asked because I’ve always usually know but jsit wanted to make sure.

      Thanks for any help gents.

      1. Francescoli
        • 11 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Just after 1:30am GMT

        1. RICICLE
          • 3 Years
          2 years, 12 months ago

          Thanks pal appreciate it

    3. Andy_Social
      • 13 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Found you! 2-0 - far better than my fpl score!

  15. McGurn
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Another non-start for Foden. I think that is is 4 of the last 5. Baffling to me me, especially given the Mahrez performance tonight. Is there something i am not aware of?

    1. Royal5
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      No idea. Mahrez was invisble and Grealish horrendous in the first half. Surely he starts the next one.

      1. McGurn
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Hope so but who knows with Pep!

    2. NATSTER
      • 15 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Per news, Pep seems to be unimpressed with conditions of players who joined national camp and returned from WC.

      It's probably his standard that we saw Foden and Cancelo started from the bench.

  16. Fred the Red
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Reece James and Wilson both out for a hit or just Reece? Thinking Nketiah for Wilson and not sure about Reece’s replacement yet

    1. lugs
      • 8 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      James should be your priority with Wilson just ill so shouldn't be out too long

      1. Fred the Red
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Cheers. Still kicking myself for not sticking with the numerous drafts that had Nketiah or Martial!

        1. lugs
          • 8 Years
          2 years, 12 months ago

          lol i have both, but wilson's a good pick who i was considering but funds didn't allow

  17. McGurn
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    I'm sure it has already been discussed at length, but definitely one of the most bizarre GWs. Boom or bust. For me, four 1 pointers, but everyone else scored got 7+. No middle ground!

  18. RICICLE
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Hi guys, well another deflating GW already on 82 pts while rivals bask in the 100 point club, trying not to give up the faith and stay in the race within 100 points of 1st in main ML. Good thing I have chips left where most don’t.

    Anyway, best move here chaps?

    Ward
    James* - Cancelo - Tripper
    Almiron - KDB - Rashford - Martinelli
    Kane - Haaland - Darwin
    ________________________________
    Iversen: Andreas: Patterson: B.Williams

    1FT, 0.0 ITB

    Just James out to somebody?
    Or James + KDB out >> 5.5m mid + Salah for -4?

    Need next GW to improve as most of us do I’m sure.

    Thinking maybe Gabriel/White IN? Or Shaw? Even Koulibaly perhaps?

    Cheers gents!

    1. McGurn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Is 82 still a green arrow? Even if not, must be a small red and no real damage done. More than half the season to go!

      1. RICICLE
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        82 and red Lol Cheers bud! Appreciate it!

        1. RICICLE
          • 3 Years
          2 years, 12 months ago

          small red

          1. McGurn
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            2 years, 12 months ago

            Nowt wrong with a small red, its the big reds that are the problem. Lose 30k places on a bad week and gain 200k on a good one. That's ok for me me. I realise it may be different in your ML, but the same principles apply.

            1. RICICLE
              • 3 Years
              2 years, 12 months ago

              This is true Thanks man!

    2. Fellaini's Fro
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Wouldn't sell kdb just yet. Bit of gamble with Chelsea defence but their fixtures are good...

      1. RICICLE
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Cheers man

  19. Royal5
    • 14 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Anyone know why Walker didn't feature?

    1. DLLM
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      He was never nailed

    2. McGurn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Pep changed the whole backline (maybe World Cup related, despite his bizarre comments about those not going being short of fitness!). I expect normality next week, although even then Walker is never guaranteed!

      1. Royal5
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Right. Yeah he's not 100% nailed but was expecting him to start tbh. If he continues to sit on the bench I got to move him.

        1. McGurn
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          2 years, 12 months ago

          I am in no position to comment given my recent choices but if you want certainty of playing then maybe move him on (especially with his injury record and age)

          1. Royal5
            • 14 Years
            2 years, 12 months ago

            Got Saliba to cover him, so no rush atm

  20. Ligdon
    • 10 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Is going without Almiron just complete ignorance and stupidity at this point ?

    1. Royal5
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Yes. Yes a must have given price and form imo

    2. McGurn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Not ignorance or stupidity. It is stubborness and pride. We have all been there! I was the same with Sterling about 10 years ago, Mahrez in the title team and that Swansea striker about 7 years ago (i forget his name). Maybe need to bite the bullet. He is still value even now.

      1. Royal5
        • 14 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Michu ftw he was gold

        1. McGurn
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          2 years, 12 months ago

          Reply fail below. Yeah Michu was great but took me too long to realise.

    3. Cruyff's Eleven
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      I have Kulusevski, and I'm sure the second I swap, Kulu hauls 🙂

    4. PartyTime
      • 4 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Yeah think so

  21. McGurn
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Yes, that's him! Missed about 4 boats on him!!

    1. Royal5
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Got on board early as I remember. However I had high hopes for Ricky Van Wolfswinkel around the same time. That didn't work out 🙂

      1. McGurn
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        I am not good with old names but there was a QPR midfielder and a Wolves striker (both recently promoted) that we all piled in on and were terrible!

        1. McGurn
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          2 years, 12 months ago

          Taraabt?

          1. Royal5
            • 14 Years
            2 years, 12 months ago

            Correct. Everyone had him and Scott Sinclair at the begining of the same year I remember. Both on all set pieces for their teams.

            1. Royal5
              • 14 Years
              2 years, 12 months ago

              Not sure I remember the Wolves striker.

              1. McGurn
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                2 years, 12 months ago

                Ebanks-Blake (courtesy of Wikipedia)

                1. Royal5
                  • 14 Years
                  2 years, 12 months ago

                  Right!

  22. Andy_Social
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Where's the price changes?

    1. Boberella
      • 9 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      About half way up on this page.

      Almiron and Rashy up
      Trossard down

  23. goosebery
    • 3 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Better Choice

    A. Martial > Havertz
    B. Nketiah > Havertz

    1. Royal5
      • 14 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      C

      1. goosebery
        • 3 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        What option C

        1. Royal5
          • 14 Years
          2 years, 12 months ago

          Keep both

    2. Fellaini's Fro
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      A

  24. Letsgo!
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Wilson should be back against leeds right?

  25. Letsgo!
    • 9 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Wilson to havertz for free?

    1. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      I'm sticking with Wilson until I hear something more definitive about his status.

  26. TorresMagic™
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Last Man Standing GW17 (1071 teams)

    Safety score = 78
    Top score = Black Knights with 120
    LMS average = 89.24 (-0.0) = 89.24

    104 teams to be removed, 967 teams through to GW18
    Congrats to all the survivors. 🙂

    https://www.livefpl.net/LMS

  27. Jafooli
    • 13 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Is James > Azpil an option? Who else is in competition for this position?

    1. gart888
      • 11 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Yeah, he's only 4.8 too. He's Chelsea's natural replacement for him, but not much of an attacking threat.

      I guess RLC could play RWB in a 5? Or Cucurella could move over to RB in a 4 if Chilwell is fit?

      1. Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Cheers Gart, seems like there are options for Chelsea, might have to avoid for now

    2. The Knights Template
      • 12 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      I don't want to guess with this sort of stuff so I'll go with players I know are pretty much nailed. What a boring answer!

      1. Jafooli
        • 13 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        And who may they be? 😀

        Already have 3 x New & 3 x Arsenal 😮

        1. waltzingmatildas
          • 15 Years
          2 years, 12 months ago

          Dunk?

          1. Jafooli
            • 13 Years
            2 years, 12 months ago

            Not yet, just had a couple beers...

        2. The Knights Template
          • 12 Years
          2 years, 12 months ago

          The thrill is in the search, just like the good old days. Enjoy!

  28. waltzingmatildas
    • 15 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    So 74 feels like a terrible week so far, but it's really only one or two players different to others.
    Ederson
    Trippier White Castagne
    Kdb Trossard Rashford Martinelli
    Haaland Darwin Wilson
    (Ward Andreas Bueno James)
    1.3itb
    A) James to Robbo
    B) James to Cucurella
    C) James to Botman (money to upgrade Rash/Trossard/Martinelli in future)
    D) Save ft

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      D

      1. waltzingmatildas
        • 15 Years
        2 years, 12 months ago

        Cheers TM. Tempted by Robbo but the lack of clean sheets is off putting, not sure I can rely on attacking every week.

  29. Zoostation
    • 11 Years
    2 years, 12 months ago

    Hold FT?

    Kepa (Ward)

    Robbo Trippier Shaw (Bueno, Patterson)

    KDB Martinelli Rashford Almiron (Andreas)

    Haaland Kane Darwin

    1. Deer-in-headlights
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Nothing urgent or pressing so easy hold.

    2. Bluetiger1
      • 3 Years
      2 years, 12 months ago

      Hold