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Van Hecke	BHA	4.5m	100.1%	Very Likely
Palmer	CHE	10.3m	99.8%	Likely
Gusto	CHE	4.9m	93.2%	Unlikely
Bowen	WHU	7.5m	87.1%	Unlikely
Marc Guiu	CHE	4.2m	85.6%	Unlikely
Watkins	AVL	8.5m	85.5%	Unlikely
Gvardiol	MCI	5.9m	80.9%	Unlikely
Tavernier	BOU	5.5m	79.3%	Unlikely
Truffert	BOU	4.5m	78.7%	Unlikely
Keane	EVE	4.6m	71.6%	Unlikely
Andersen	FUL	4.6m	69.1%	Unlikely
Verbruggen	BHA	4.4m	68.2%	Unlikely
Mitchell	CRY	5.0m	67.6%	Unlikely
Raya	ARS	6.0m	67.1%	Unlikely
Casemiro	MUN	5.5m	66.9%	Unlikely
Livramento	NEW	4.9m	65.3%	Unlikely
Ballard	SUN	4.6m	64.3%	Unlikely
Tete	FUL	4.5m	61.8%	Unlikely
Dalot	MUN	4.4m	59.1%	Unlikely
Semenyo	BOU	7.5m	56.6%	Unlikely
Haaland	MCI	15.0m	57.4%	Unlikely
Dúbravka	BUR	4.0m	56.5%	Unlikely
Cullen	BUR	5.0m	56.5%	Unlikely
Petrović	BOU	4.5m	56.4%	Unlikely
Romero	TOT	5.0m	51.7%	Unlikely
Ekitiké	LIV	8.6m	50.2%	Unlikely
Foden	MCI	8.8m	49.8%	Unlikely
Cash	AVL	4.9m	50.9%	Unlikely
Van den Berg	BRE	4.5m	49.0%	Unlikely
James	CHE	5.6m	49.0%	Unlikely
Flemming	BUR	5.3m	47.8%	Unlikely
Wilson	FUL	5.6m	44.9%	Unlikely
Igor Jesus	NFO	5.8m	46.8%	Unlikely
Pickford	EVE	5.5m	41.5%	Unlikely
Dewsbury-Hall	EVE	5.1m	41.0%	Unlikely
Guéhi	CRY	5.3m	39.9%	Unlikely
Wilson	WHU	5.8m	39.9%	Unlikely

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Anthony	BUR	5.3m	112.0%	Very Likely
Minteh	BHA	6.2m	106.1%	Very Likely
Longstaff	LEE	4.9m	104.8%	Very Likely
Nallo	LIV	3.8m	103.2%	Very Likely
Eze	ARS	7.8m	100.5%	Very Likely
Ndiaye	EVE	6.4m	101.0%	Very Likely
Muniz	FUL	5.4m	101.3%	Very Likely
Mayenda	SUN	5.3m	100.7%	Very Likely
Rodon	LEE	4.1m	100.8%	Very Likely
Gudmundsson	LEE	3.9m	100.0%	Very Likely
Elanga	NEW	6.6m	99.7%	Maybe
Jordan	BUR	4.0m	99.6%	Maybe
Neave	NEW	4.4m	99.3%	Maybe
McKenna	BOU	4.0m	95.3%	Maybe
Yarmoliuk	BRE	5.0m	95.0%	Unlikely
Morgan	BRE	4.4m	94.6%	Unlikely
Balcombe	BRE	4.0m	94.2%	Unlikely
Okafor	LEE	5.5m	94.2%	Unlikely
Lammens	MUN	5.1m	93.3%	Unlikely
Barnes	BUR	4.3m	93.0%	Unlikely
Irving	WHU	4.4m	92.5%	Unlikely
Broggio	AVL	4.5m	92.5%	Unlikely
Kulusevski	TOT	6.4m	92.3%	Unlikely
Colwill	CHE	4.8m	92.1%	Unlikely
Bentley	WOL	4.0m	91.8%	Unlikely
Piroe	LEE	5.0m	91.5%	Unlikely
Nørgaard	ARS	5.2m	90.7%	Unlikely
Tasker	BHA	3.9m	90.4%	Unlikely
Worrall	BUR	3.9m	89.6%	Unlikely
McAtee	NFO	5.1m	89.5%	Unlikely
João Pedro	CHE	7.3m	88.6%	Unlikely
Webster	BHA	4.4m	88.7%	Unlikely
Sels	NFO	4.7m	87.4%	Unlikely
Benitez	CRY	4.0m	86.9%	Unlikely
O.Dango	BRE	6.1m	84.9%	Unlikely
Jair Cunha	NFO	4.3m	86.9%	Unlikely
Fitzgerald	MUN	4.4m	86.7%	Unlikely
Danso	TOT	4.3m	86.0%	Unlikely
Coleman	EVE	4.3m	85.6%	Unlikely
Enzo	CHE	6.6m	83.7%	Unlikely

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FFS Paddy Power Cup IX and Members Cup IV – First Round Draws

25 February 2014 1815 comments

Paul

We bring you the draws for the First Round of the Fantasy Football Scout Cup IX and FFS Members Cup IV, as sponsored by Paddy Power, after the qualifying rounds for both competitions took place over Gameweek 27:

First of all, entrants with a score of 56 points or more have earned a spot in the First Round of the Fantasy Football Scout Cup IX. If you scored 55 points, it was then down to overall rank to decide whether you progressed.

Our defending champion, Tdubb05, gets his title defence underway against stocherilac this weekend. Looking at some of the other previous winners, Jonty plays djt, MCH is up against Jambo 17, Donnellyc has cflanesra, Wild Rover goes head-to-head with Chobber Slops FC, whilst Gooner Dave has been drawn against JW.

Some of the plum ties amongst the community include Chu Young Ping Pong v Acquafresca, Bubbles against Yes the Sess! and Accounting on Chris v Attila the Bum.

Four of the current top 100 Fantasy Premier League (FPL) managers are in the hat for this weekend’s matches. Gambiteer, Justoutsidethemoney and Forbes are amongst those high-fliers as is world number two Tom Fenley, whose opponent, Alistair, currently sits around the 23,000-mark.

If you’ve qualified or just fancy a nosey, click here to view the full First Round Draw.

Entrants with a score of 58 points or more will have made their way into the First Round of the Fantasy Football Scout Members Cup IV. If you scored 57 points, it was then down to overall rank to decide whether you progressed.

Defending champion Acquafresca is up against Caladan Brood, whilst another former winner, Fuzzy Dunlop, goes head-to-head with The EJJ in Gameweek 28.

Amongst the notable community match ups, contributors Big Dunc and In Tommy We Trust face up to EpicFail and Chu Young Ping Pong respectively, whilst Dino’s clash with Bootsy and Thomass67 against Absinthe also catch the eye.

Once again, Tom Fenley is the manager to avoid in this cup. This time, he’s up against tmidrew who, with a rank inside the top 4,000, will fancy his chances of causing an upset. You can click here to view the First Round Draw.

For a list of the prizes and dates of each round, check out this initial article. As always, good luck to all those involved.

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RoysCallerAnne
11 years, 9 months ago
I'm up a bit late with work in the morning but thought I'd chip in with all the United discussions.
I've read all seven pages and have a couple of things to say as a 41 year old Liverpool fan.

It may well be the end of an era for United. Two decades of dominance could well be coming to an end. I experienced the same thing when Kenny resigned in 1991 and Liverpool went hurriedly downhill when Souness was appointed. Many United fans will have only been used to unprecedented success thus far and it's very difficult to accept when results falter so badly, so quickly after a new manager is appointed.

If you are in your 20s or early 30s and are a ManU fan, you have my sympathies, and I mean that sincerely, but you need to prepare yourself for a period of uncertainty and support your club accordingly. You've had many great days and now is the time to step up to the plate and shed that misconception that all United fans are from London or are somehow "plastic".

I'm a Liverpool fan and when I was younger I would have relished in the fact the fact that United were struggling, but with age comes maturity, and grace. I feel genuinely sorry that a great club like United were reduced to a performance like that in Europe tonight.

The whole LOL @ Utd, thing annoys me.

Great club. Great history. There's many a United fan still around that spent 26 years waiting for a title, just like us Liverpool fans these days.

Following your team is a glorious and life long passion.

🙂
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1. UnderstandablyDistraught
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Well said. I've never been a Man U fan but they are truly a great club. Ferguson was one of the all time great managers and can not be replaced. Uncertainty will be the test of the club and its fans but they have the pedigree to find the right, new path.
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2. Gloria Kanchelskis
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Great post. As a United fan who had been going to OT every fortnight for almost twenty years before we won the league I appreciate that these things come in cycles. United fans were very lucky that the cycle lasted as long as it did and anyone with any objectivity could see that the team has been on the decline for three years or more and that only the will of Fergie secured the last two titles. many United fans don't realise how lucky we've been. It could easily be another 26 years before we see titles returning as it takes a long time to halt a decline as you've seen with your team too.
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3. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
  11 years, 9 months ago
  That's an insightful thoughtful post from a true gentleman.
  
  You sir deserve a song.
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SLb7MH-KJI
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4. theloveburglar
  11 years, 9 months ago
  very well said mate.. alot of man u fans would do well to realise this and get behind their team and manager rather than thinking they have some god given right to win every trophy they compete in..
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5. Ryan
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Great response. I would be one of these United fans in my late 20's. Coming from the other side of the world also might even put me in the 'plastic fan' camp. However I never came to accept United as my team because they won all the time, I am no glory hunter (I support the Blue's and Northland rugby teams for a start for those in the know). I am fully prepared to continue supporting United through the tough times ahead and will relish the challenges that await. Bring it on.
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theloveburglar
11 years, 9 months ago
alot of moyes bashing on here tonight.. im sure most of it by non man united fans and those who take more interest in the troubles of united than their own teams but no surprise there...

the favoured argument that seems to be used as a stick to beat moyes with is the fact that united won the league by 11 points last year and he inherited the champions.. now this is very true however with a coach in place that quite simply is the best the english game has ever seen had been there 26 years and was loved respected and feared in equal measure by each and every squad member.. moyes has been there 8 or 9 months..

the squad he took charge of has been in steady decline since 2009 when we sold the worlds best player ronaldo.. fergie knew it deep down.. we won that league last season pretty much by default.. our challengers floundered around us chelsea involved in europa league football fell away in the league and man city players due to some brutal man management by mancini didnt wanna play for him.. there was enough cannon fodder in the league to win it with sheer firepower aka rvp who was played pretty much every game scoring 30 odd goals...

the scary form of rvp alone was enough to paper over the cracks of a brutal central midfield last year and get the title back from city before fergie packed it in and left a winner... with mourinho returning to chelsea and mancini given the boot at city he knew he wouldnt be retaining it and bailed..

so what moyes was actually left with was a waste ground of a midfield to be fair and his 2 best players rooney and rvp only available to start together maybe 10 or so times i think this season due to injuries.. in other words the paper over the cracks that fergie enjoyed wasnt there anymore and the sub standard midfield brutally exposed and we have been pissed on by and over run by any team who has had the plums to have a go at us..

on top of that its obvious he has been let down badly by underperforming players and in particular vidic and evra his captain and vice 2 players he should of been able to rely on but have between them on numerous occasions cost us points through schoolboy errors and total lack of concentration at times not to mention de gea howler which cost us a place in a wembley final..

mistakes have been made yes his tactics are questionable i admit but hes been there 9 months ffs and that midfield and much of the defence needs rubbed out and drawn again its as simple as that...

our position in the league is probably fair when u consider our midfield options

the guy is no mug he must be given time to do his own thing before we judge him.. he built a very good team at everton a team that also played very attractive football but it takes time..

its rough going right now no doubt but we have seen enough success over the years to handle a few less successful while this team is rebuilt dont forget fergie went 3 years without a league title when mourinho arrived and started writing his blank cheques..
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1. Cheeseoid
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Loooooong. My mind cannot comprehend. I'll give it a shot. I have Moyes so far
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  1. theloveburglar
    11 years, 9 months ago
    stick it out mate.. i went into one alright lol
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  2. Cheeseoid
    11 years, 9 months ago
    I'm going for a coffee to help me finish. Pro Moyes right?
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    1. theloveburglar
      11 years, 9 months ago
      im undecided mate i just find it impossible to judge right now.. certainly not in the moyes out camp
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2. Pigvig
  11 years, 9 months ago
  You forgot to mention Scholes and Giggs. They were important for Fergie last year too.
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  1. theloveburglar
    11 years, 9 months ago
    indeed but the contrast in rvp last year and this down to persistent niggly injuries is key
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3. Whitman2013
  11 years, 9 months ago
  i disagree with the first line
  
  most of the "Moyes bashing" comes from man united fans
  
  other fans say give it time be paitent etc
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  1. UnderstandablyDistraught
    11 years, 9 months ago
    this be the verse
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  2. theloveburglar
    11 years, 9 months ago
    well i hope its a small minority of man u fans
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    1. Whitman2013
      11 years, 9 months ago
      otherwise excellent piece... as an arsenal fan its sad to see
      
      arsenal and united are the clubs with the most values and deserve to fight
      (i mean out of the top clubs im sure luton plmouth shrewsbury etal all have decent morales)
      
      chelsea and city brought the way up....
      
      united i fear will have to do the same but will come good..
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      1. theloveburglar
        11 years, 9 months ago
        thanks mate
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4. Pepereina Pizza
  11 years, 9 months ago
  i think RVP would truly have stood a chance of being "essential" this season if SAF had stuck around.
  
  Where the failure happened was in the expectations of Moyes, but that really couldn't have been helped at all. The team had been the essence of achievement for like 20 years. Didn't matter WHO took over, they were doomed for a fall.
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5. ~SpartakMac
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Make some good points, however when players think they're bigger than the club (Rooney) and players think they're better than the team (RVP) how does the manager which they clearly don't respect resolve this?
  
  Very hard to regain confidence in a manager you don't believe in, particularly with the world cup this Summer rather than a longer break to fix the many cracks.
  
  Starting fresh, with someone like Klopp could be the way forward.
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  1. theloveburglar
    11 years, 9 months ago
    im very much an admirer of klopp mate and would of been my first choice if im honest but it wasnt to be
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  2. Whitman2013
    11 years, 9 months ago
    or get rid of the egotistical dimwits.
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6. Hibbo
  11 years, 9 months ago
  When Jose turned about with Romans cheque book United contested titles with them.
  
  Stick with Moyes, you'll never contest another title again.
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  1. Whitman2013
    11 years, 9 months ago
    this is a silly comment. the united hierarchy are able to turn this around and moyes is too.. not a united fan in anyway
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    1. Hibbo
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Call it what you want. If you disagree fine but silly?
      
      I'd imagine they thought they'd free wheel into the Champions League next season but that isn't happening.
      
      We will all get to see how it pans out I'd imagine at some point in the future Moyes will get the sack.
      
      City & Chelsea battling the title will become the norm.
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      1. Whitman2013
        11 years, 9 months ago
        im not saying your view is silly - just the way its expressed i.e so cocksure no one can say anything with real authority as we just dont know we can only speculate...
        
        no its a bad season no doubt. so do you think arsenal and liverpool will fall away or not even involved?
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        Hibbo
        11 years, 9 months ago
        I call it as I see it.
        
        Two horse race in my book.
        
        Arsenal have already conceded and Liverpool don't have the defence or squad.
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        UnderstandablyDistraught
        11 years, 9 months ago
        arsenal are right there
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  2. theloveburglar
    11 years, 9 months ago
    like i said mate iv seen enough success over the years to have a few less so... i dont like repeating myself but moyes clearly has know how in building a squad and only time will tell if he can do that at old trafford.. juan mata isnt a bad start
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    1. Hibbo
      11 years, 9 months ago
      You can sign whoever you want it ain't going to work under Moyes. He's been a bum candidate from day one but its seems to still have not dawned on you. Successful club appoint manager who has never had success. He's out of his depth looks a beaten man and totally lacking in confidence that shows on his face you can't inspire confidence in others when its quite clear you've none yourself.
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      1. UnderstandablyDistraught
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Why are we led to believe that Ferguson handpicked him then? I've only seen two names put forward here as alternatives and both manage other big clubs. Moyes has more tactical nous than he's been given credit for(in spite of this season) and it's been a rough road for him as a first season manager. There's a learning curve for him too.
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        Hibbo
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Why did Fergie buy Bebe? Or Zaha? Or Djemba-Djemba?
        
        I'm sure he in his judgement he decided they were worth the fee paid.
        
        Maybe his judgement was wrong here too.
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        UnderstandablyDistraught
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Maybe. He's not infallible. You are however picking a few pieces of coal from a box of gems
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      2. theloveburglar
        11 years, 9 months ago
        out of interest mate who do u support?
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7. Spin
  11 years, 9 months ago
  1 RVP didnt win the league on his own, where did the chances come from?
  
  2 brutal central midfield - Moyes has spent 64million on players that werent needed and the MF is still 'brutal'. He ignored Matic, Cabaye, Lallana, Strootman and many others to waste money on Fellaini.
  
  3 The team are a tactical mess, this is the main problem, not this 'perceived' lack of quality. The quality is there. Not enough quality to beat Newcastle, Cardiff, WBA, Fulham - please......
  
  4. The players are underperforming because has has not managed to motivate them to believe in his methods/tacics. Speaking about the 'brutal' MF - Garreth Barry is a perfect example of how a player can perform in an organised system with decent instructions to follow and a clear job to do. The form of Fellaini, Cleverly, Carrick this season is what you get with crap management
  
  5. A decent ,anager would have beaten the teams i mentioned above and United would be at least 12 points better off. Why? because the standard of the PL isnt that great, even sherwood has spurs in 5th! Christ even Pardew has his squad only 5 points further back.
  
  To think Moyes will manage a team to a league or European title is laughable. He needs to go, pronto
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  1. Hibbo
    11 years, 9 months ago
    The most sense I've read on the topic.
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  2. theloveburglar
    11 years, 9 months ago
    1. that league title wouldnt of been won without rvp.. we wouldnt even have been close... he did
    
    2. the summer transfer window was a bit of a disaster theres no getting away from that but moyes was never gunna be able to transform a midfield in a couple of months all the while trying to keep our best player from joining chelsea.. the best move he made was conving rooney to stay and his form this season has proven that.. fellainis been injured for about 4 months of the season and adjusting to a totally different postion to what he was playing at everton so largely we have been operating with the same options in the centre of the park..
    
    3. i refered to the questionable tactics and one of those teams u mentioned when they beat us had 2 central midfielders in cabaye and tiote that would walk onto our team... refer to my point also about our league position being fair considering midfield options
    
    4. cleverleys form was just as awful last year under ferguson and admittedly carricks was alot better altho he did have paul scholes at times along side him i would probably look pretty accomplished myself with scholes beside me... fellaini been out for about 4 months as i said hasnt got going yet we what the guy is capable of and he has been one of the top players in the league for the last few seasons and who was his manager? oh yeah
    
    5. the standard of the teams at the top of the prem is alot stronger than last year i hate having to repeat myself but as i pointed out chelsea man city not to mention arsenal and liverpool are alot stronger this time around... teams like spurs evrton newcastle southampton have stronger central midfield options than we do its simple as that
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    1. Spin
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Then stop repeating yourself and look at things from a different angle. Youre exactly like Moyes with your posts, repeating the same thing over and over and hoping for a different outcome.
      The results speak for themselves. Just cos youve backed yourself into a corner sticking up for Moyes doesnt make you right.
      
      Apart from that we say a lot of the same things but you still think Moyes is the man and should be given time - that doesn't make any sense. Youre basically contradicting your own points and donning the 'rose tinted glasses'.
      A fresh look at the evidence will do you some good, honestly.
      
      And talking about our position being fair considering the MF options is not smart. Teams aren't made up of 8 MF's. How long have people been saying that Ferguson needed to sign a new Roy Keane or new Paul Scholes? He still won leagues and got to 3 CL finals. The reason is that he could get the best from what was at his disposal. Moyes clearly cannot...
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      1. theloveburglar
        11 years, 9 months ago
        he still won leagues and got to 3 cl finals... im aware of that mate he also had the best back 5 in world football at that time paul scholes and not to mention cristiano ronaldo... again i refered to this point that the team since then has been in steady decline.. ronaldo was replaced with antonio valencia for a start lol.. they havnt had a sniff of a cl final since and if u think that this squad currently should be competing with the like of barca and bayern as they once did then ur the one needs to take off the rose tinted glasses..
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  3. ~SpartakMac
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Great post.
    Points 3 & 4 really are at the heart of the whole argument.
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8. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Good post.
  
  The transition period has been tough for Utd and the manager has been the main focus for the hysteria. I think Alex gave a good speech when he retired and the words I particularly remember was that the fans should give patience to their new manager and structure. (Almost like he knew there will be trouble ahead)
  
  Anyway transition is over now and the people that work at Manchester United are grounded into their roles to give service to the good people that support their club.
  
  I fecking hate the fact money has been axed between the fans of football and the money gangsters of corrupt greed but feel some how in the end the mansions the bent murderers and prostitutes are living in at the moment will one day be a distant memory when the previous owners are hiding in a sewer pipe full of the shit that they created.
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  1. Whitman2013
    11 years, 9 months ago
    if alex knew he should have began to rectify it before he left not just left it in a sorry mess...
    
    its not all moyes fault
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    1. Spin
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Not all his fault...
      the same squad (bolstered with Moyes 27m midfield signing( went from a refs decision from beating Real Madrid last season to being drubbed by a team that sold its best player to bottom of the table Fulham.
      
      Whos fault is this?
      It must be that every player at United has suddenly decided to perform to 60% of his capabilities since Ferguson left. Yep, just decided, feck this I couldn't be arsed....
      Or could it be that the same professionals are following crap instructions which are leading to crap performances leading to crap results leading to loss of confidence in manager and system which feeds crap performances etc all over again.
      Theyre getting worse, not better.
      
      I give up, how are United going to sack the most loved manager in their history?
      Loved by Chelsea fans, idolised by Liverpool fans, adored by City fans (you get the drift)
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      1. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Feckers. Go rely fail somewhere else. Feckers...
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        PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Reply yer Go reply fail somewhere else Muppets!!
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    2. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Get off my reply you feckers
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    3. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Stop Fannying around my reply it has no relevance to my response.
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      1. Spin
        11 years, 9 months ago
        dude put out the J and close the bottle 🙂
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        PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Man I never was criticizing the Red Head my response was more lucid and I'm just saying the Fanny is farting out of a tight hole only dogs can hear. Get Me.!
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megatronaldinho
11 years, 9 months ago
because i didn't listen to Champ's Canaanite ramblings.(i wus scared it'd wander into concerns racial) jokes. i'm the most racist person around. i hate pretty much all races. but mainly the 10k, the 200 metre hurdles. and freestyle swimming. all races really. besides the blackpool donkey marathon. i'm not a monster. but whatever though, here's a song. to race with. to? against? u can't rilly race against a song. cos music travels faster than the speed of light. so said the noted physicist bonnie tyler. anyway, whatever, or whatever. booooop http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lcgFCtWcDw
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1. Get up ya bum
  11 years, 9 months ago
  😆
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Kudo Warrior
11 years, 9 months ago
I know Moyes is not totally without blame, but I do think that SAF left the team at the exact right time just as it was going to be overshadowed by must better teams.
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1. Kylos
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Moyes is totally to blame. SAF won the Title with that team regardless of it's quality.
  
  This is a title winning team.
  
  The problem is the tactics, the confidence and the desire to win.
  
  Moyes is totally to blame. He brought his own backroom staff in and it was a bad gamble,
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  1. Kudo Warrior
    11 years, 9 months ago
    I agree with the points you made, but I also agree that even if SAF was the manager this season they would not have won the league and probably would have come in 4th at the most due to the quality of Arsenal/Chelsea/City and perhaps even Everton.
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  2. Towsor44
    11 years, 9 months ago
    No doubt about it, Fergie was worth a fair number of points per season to United, but there is no way it amounts to the number of points United will finish this season away from last years total, especially as they have added to the squad.
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  3. onionbarje
    11 years, 9 months ago
    you can't completely blame Moyes. We have needed a CM for over 3 years and yet Fergie didn't get one when he could. HE let PAUL POGBA GO, and looked how that back fired. Fergie built a squad for short term but he was good at motivation. However Moyes tatics are poor and haven't changed. The team lacks confidence and no one really seem bother. Moyes need to stop blaming bad luck on losing most of all, but the players could do themselves a favour and actually try and win a match.
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    1. Kudo Warrior
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Agreed.
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    2. alastair
      11 years, 9 months ago
      If it was clear to the fans why was it not clear to Moyes - he had all summer to sign the right player
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      1. Granville
        11 years, 9 months ago
        He didn't have all summer, he only had half a summer because he was still the Everton manager until July 31st. But still, the summer was a disaster.
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        alastair
        11 years, 9 months ago
        But he was announced as manager in May - surely he had time to decide what was needed and get United putting wheels in motion
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        Granville
        11 years, 9 months ago
        I don't think it works like that. He was still employed by Everton so he couldn't take an active part at United in any form.
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      2. There's Always One!
        11 years, 9 months ago
        That was woodwords fault. Moyes obviously identified his targets which ed failed to get
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    3. There's Always One!
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Very well said
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    4. isacki: full casual
      11 years, 9 months ago
      It's not just motivation though, it's tactical know-how Fergie had that Moyes completely lacks. Fergie understood each of the players in his team and how to make them useful at some stage of the season, whether as a regular or in a particular game in a particular tactical role. He knew how to use Welbeck (who beasted Real Madrid at the Bernabeu and scored the winner), Jones (who made a decent attempt at marking Ronaldo out of the game), even Anderson, Nani and Young were made useful at particular times. Moyes has apparently none of that specialist knowledge and hasn't picked it up. It's as if... as if.... he doesn't understand tactics.
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  4. Give The Todd Some Love
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Moyes doesn't have a big ego like SAF did. Considering this is basically the same squad, I think the players have just lacked motivation.
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    1. Kylos
      11 years, 9 months ago
      which is moyes fault
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      1. Kudo Warrior
        11 years, 9 months ago
        You're still missing the point that the team is very mediocre compared to their direct rivals.
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      2. Give The Todd Some Love
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Not really. It's just his management style is such an abrupt change to SAF's. If anything it's SAF's fault for choosing Moyes
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        Kudo Warrior
        11 years, 9 months ago
        He definitely should not have walked in and changed all the back room staff, that was a douche bag move by him.
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        Give The Todd Some Love
        11 years, 9 months ago
        True. But he wanted to work with people which he had successfully worked with before, I'm not sure that's such a bad thing
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        Kudo Warrior
        11 years, 9 months ago
        It's not. But it just seems like he didn't stop to think that the important thing when coming to a new team is to make sure the players don't get affected too much from the change, and changing the whole back staff really does affect them when they are so used to their ways.
        
        It reminds me of a new teacher coming in and trying to do things his way in a forceful way, the students immediately have their backs up. I know I would.
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        Give The Todd Some Love
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Yeah that's a good point
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2. There's Always One!
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Fergie without doubt jumped ship and left a terrible squad. Most of the players also look like they don't give a dam. But its also getting harder to defend moyes. Cant believe he played cleverly and kagawa should be playing
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  1. Kudo Warrior
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Exactly. I would have started with Welbeck instead of Young and Kagawa instead of cleverly.
    And perhaps brought on Janazaj/chicha as an impact player if they were losing.
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    1. Granville
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Januzaj didn't travel did he?
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      1. Kudo Warrior
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Nope. He was rested.
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      2. There's Always One!
        11 years, 9 months ago
        No. I don't know why
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        Kudo Warrior
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Just rested for the league I guess. And Mata is cup tied.
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3. Hibbo
  11 years, 9 months ago
  This is nonsense I'm sorry what should Fergie have left a team that just survived relegation.
  
  His trophy haul for United cannot be questioned and how blame can be layed at his door after his time at United is gobsmacking.
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  1. Towsor44
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Maybe it was a ploy. Get someone crap in, make a big return, win something and seal immortality 🙂
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  2. Granville
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Who is questioning his success? There's no doubt that overall deficiencies have been covered up by Rooney and RVP for the last few years.
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    1. Hibbo
      11 years, 9 months ago
      I'm not saying anyone is.
      
      His success has made United fans so spoilt they are blaming the man who gave them so much success as a fault for the current state of affairs.
      
      Papered over the cracks? They won the league with those papered cracks.
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      1. isacki: full casual
        11 years, 9 months ago
        I also think - as a non united fan - that people not only exaggerate the cracks in a side that won by 11 points (should have been more but the last games were unimportant), but also Fergie's efforts to rebuild the team. After being outplayed by Barça, he made a daring effort to rebuild the team around fluid passing and an interchanging front four at the start of the 2011-12 season. They were freescoring and terrific to watch. That all came to a halt after the 6-1 defeat to City, and in hindsight that was the right thing to do. Fergie couldn't transform the squad properly without finances that weren't available to him. He made close to the best of a difficult situation.
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  3. Kudo Warrior
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Not full blame, but some sort of blame. All their main rivals brought in new players, players who could strengthen the squad and give them width, which is something ManU failed to do (Fallaini? lol). My point about SAF is that many of the players in the team were on their last legs and that made it all the harder for Moyes to hit the ground running.
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    1. Hibbo
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Those on the way out players won the title last year.
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      1. Kudo Warrior
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Very true, however the rivals this year are much stronger than last year: City/Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool even Everton. Competition has stepped up and Utd have not.
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        Hibbo
        11 years, 9 months ago
        They got decent managers. United didn't.
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        11 years, 9 months ago
        Hibbert speaks sense in all of this madness.
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Adam v Snodgrass
speardrops
11 years, 9 months ago
The big question for most:

Adam v Snodgrass

Adam:
+More explosive.
+More dangerous from pens, corners (assists) and long range.
+Higher chance of assists.
-Plays away at Norwich soon.
-Plays at Arsenal at home next who have a strong defence in the league.
-Adores a booking.

Snodgrass:
+More dangerous from free kicks (debatable I know).
+Shoots closer to goal.
+Arguably stronger fixtures.
-Norwich don't score.
-Not the best from the spot.

Both are on all set pieces as far as I'm aware for those who didn't know.

My verdict: Adam.
We know what he can do, his FF history speaks for itself (ignoring his stint at Anfield).

I may just get both!
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1. applebonkers
  11 years, 9 months ago
  just get the scottish one
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  1. speardrops
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Since I have Kosc, it puts me off Adam...
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    1. Kenneth Tang
      11 years, 9 months ago
      It's not that bad to have players from the 2 teams of the same match. If Arsenal can't shut out Stoke, Adam is highly likely to score you some points, then you will beat those who have Snoddy but he scores nothing against Aston Villa.
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  2. Ryan
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Are you SAF?
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2. Parm
  11 years, 9 months ago
  BOB SNOD
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3. FPL Mike the Knight
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Is neither an option?
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  1. FPL Mike the Knight
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Snod if have to choose
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4. BantamPhil
  11 years, 9 months ago
  What about Tom Ince?
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  1. speardrops
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Swansea away first, anyone away for Palace is a banana skin.
    
    Plus they don't score.
    
    Then comes Saints at home, who have a strong defence.
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    1. Jax
      11 years, 9 months ago
      palace haven't drawn away yet. they could on sunday.
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      1. speardrops
        11 years, 9 months ago
        A 0-0 draw of course!
        
        Ince is the pick if you're ignoring fixtures and team goalpower/service.
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    2. BantamPhil
      11 years, 9 months ago
      I'm certain they will score more now they have signed players like Ince and Ledley plus the return of Glenn Murray
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      1. speardrops
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Is Murray on pens over Punch?
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        Give The Todd Some Love
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Murray>Chamakh>Punch imo
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5. SachRana11
  11 years, 9 months ago
  SNODGRASSS
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6. johngerb
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Does Walters take pens for Stoke still and who does for Norwich? Is it Snodgrass?
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  1. speardrops
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Adam for Stoke, Hooper for Norwich I think.
    
    Strengthening Adam's appeal.
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Obi Wan Elokobi
11 years, 9 months ago
Can't actually believe it finally qualified for the cup on this website very rare occurrence for me. Bring it on Cheeseoid
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1. Woy of the Wovers
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Breadbin here
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  1. Obi Wan Elokobi
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Good luck against the king of misery
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    1. Woy of the Wovers
      11 years, 9 months ago
      With luck, one of us can be happy.
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      1. Obi Wan Elokobi
        11 years, 9 months ago
        If he won he wouldn't be happy
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        Woy of the Wovers
        11 years, 9 months ago
        😉
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    2. Give The Todd Some Love
      11 years, 9 months ago
      King of the Misery is a classic nickname
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Give The Todd Some Love
11 years, 9 months ago
I like it when we have actual football debates on here rather than just fantasy football stuff, which can get a bit tedious

Not a question or anything, just thought I'd post it 😀
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1. Parm
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Seems to only happen after United lose 😆
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  1. Give The Todd Some Love
    11 years, 9 months ago
    😀 Actually so true, in fact all debate is usually about Moyes, that I've seen at least
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2. Bubz
  11 years, 9 months ago
  +1. Needed a rest from all this DGW crap.
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3. aehii
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Yeah, totally. And it tends to be better football comments than anywhere else I go to find opinions, the guardian, videogame forum forums with football threads...
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4. In Like Flynn.
  11 years, 9 months ago
  DZ is often the place where people have that extra bit of time to debate things sensibly.
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  1. Give The Todd Some Love
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Maybe I should DZ it a bit more often. Although I should really go to bed…
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5. Werkself
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Have some love, Todd.
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  1. Give The Todd Some Love
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Giggity five
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Whitman2013
11 years, 9 months ago
night guys :).... thanks for the rvp and moyes debates you all know your stuff and opinions are what make football football

🙂
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1. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Fanny Fecker Night.
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2. theloveburglar
  11 years, 9 months ago
  night mate
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Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
11 years, 9 months ago
Personally, I think that Moyes needs to tear it up and start again.
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1. Bubz
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Dread to think what he will come up with if allowed to do so.
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2. Syd.
  11 years, 9 months ago
  His contract?
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  1. Bubz
    11 years, 9 months ago
    😆 😆
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3. MJ6987
  11 years, 9 months ago
  No, United need to tear up Moyes' contract and start again!
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  1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
    11 years, 9 months ago
    He is not responsible for some of the performances that I had to witness tonight.
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    1. isacki: full casual
      11 years, 9 months ago
      As manager, he is.
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4. Licky
  11 years, 9 months ago
  He needs to shake it out. That or learn to play attractive yet effective football.
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Coaly
11 years, 9 months ago
@United fans and Moyes: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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1. Syd.
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Mature
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  1. Coaly
    11 years, 9 months ago
    United fan? If so read my initial comment again
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  2. There's Always One!
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Once puberty comes he should sort him out
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    1. Coaly
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Another united fan? Please also refer to the above
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  3. applebonkers
    11 years, 9 months ago
    at least he didn't use the horse dung word, could have been worse
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2. FPL Daniel
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Only for Moyes hahahahahahahahahaha
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  1. Coaly
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Have to say it gets funnier each week, this season is a total train wreck for them and it's about time they all took some stick!
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    1. The Shadow
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Chelsea need to win about 16 more PL titles before one if their fans is giving MU stick.
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      1. Coaly
        11 years, 9 months ago
        1 more title than you are points behind us?
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        The Shadow
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Arsenal is only 1 point behind you.
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        Coaly
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Specialists in failure though 😉 so that gap will increase.
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        The Shadow
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Hey, if Chelsea can win the title this year and next, it'll finally be as successful a team as Sunderland! Exciting times to be a Chelsea plastic.
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        Coaly
        11 years, 9 months ago
        The highest they've ever finished in the prem is 7th and they've been relegated twice since then. So I think you could safely conclude chelsea have done better
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        The Shadow
        11 years, 9 months ago
        You are plastic. You don't know your history. Sunderland has more top flight titles than you.
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        Coaly
        11 years, 9 months ago
        What I just said is fact. It would make much more sense to judge on the last 10 years or so as that is clearly more relevant than what happened 15+ years ago
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        The Shadow
        11 years, 9 months ago
        It is a fact that that is a completely arbitrary distinction. But if it makes you feel better about your team more power to you. (ManU laughs at your last 10 years btw.)
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3. Give The Todd Some Love
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Moyes will be so disappointed when he reads this
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  1. Coaly
    11 years, 9 months ago
    As he should be
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4. Parm
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Ouch. My feelings. 😥
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5. Cilly Bonnolly
  11 years, 9 months ago
  This place wasn't always like this. What happened?
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  1. Coaly
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Bit crass I'll give you, but couldn't resist a little laugh at any united fans who may be browsing the site's expense
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megatronaldinho
11 years, 9 months ago
dang this all to hades.only reason i raised my head above the parapet(what the fukk is a parapet? shut your noise sigfried, i haven't the occasion to acknowledge your verse. keep your melon low and retain those nancy rhythms.) god i wish i meant some of this. homophobia is one of the funniest bigotries. only racism is more astonishingly ridiculous can't wait til aliens finally land so we can tel em to stick their protruding rostrums where the sun sun don't shine. ain't humanity sweet? wait. where am i? what the hell am i talking about, and who are you?
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1. megatronaldinho
  11 years, 9 months ago
  i guess what i meant was.. i have 3 players for gw29. um.. so.. like, i guess i win or whatever. lose? possibly. or likely. or something. or nothing.
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2. Zep
  11 years, 9 months ago
  You might not have meant it, but I felt it...
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Optimus.
11 years, 9 months ago
Classy..

https://twitter.com/Hamil_toe/status/438447823680712704/photo/1
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1. Lizard Lips
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Help my post above please 🙂
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2. Bubz
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Wtffffff
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3. Licky
  11 years, 9 months ago
  How uncouth, realistically they should hire John Arne Riise to give each and every United player a good kick up the nether regions.
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4. The Shadow
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Good thing she deleted her post so no one can find out.
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  1. Licky
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Unless someone were to e-mail this to every media outlet up and down the country, you know, just to compliment their back page story for tomorrow.
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5. Give The Todd Some Love
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Cracking night for the Carrick household.
  
  Morons really shouldn't go near Twitter, they seem unable to help themselves from posting total shit
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  1. tutankamun
    11 years, 9 months ago
    I disagree. It's a good way of 'outing' morons.
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    1. Give The Todd Some Love
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Yeah. Except nothing usually happens. They delete a couple of tweets and post similar bullshit a few days later. We should have moron police that go around euthanising all the people that make stupid posts on Twitter. That's the world I one day want to live in…
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      1. tutankamun
        11 years, 9 months ago
        As long as we know who the morons are, it makes it easier for the rest of us to avoid them. Twitter / Facebook, the internet in general, can be useful for that.
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    2. applebonkers
      11 years, 9 months ago
      it's not a real tweet, just someone with too much time on their hands
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      1. Give The Todd Some Love
        11 years, 9 months ago
        That's even more ridiculous. Or is it? I don't even know any more
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        11 years, 9 months ago
        Or in other words, a troll.
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Viper
11 years, 9 months ago
Going Adam over Snodgrass allows me to do Adebayor ->Aguero in gwk 31 for free (If Aguero doesn't rise and Ade doesn't fall).

Worth it?
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1. Get up ya bum
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Of course
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2. J0E
  11 years, 9 months ago
  I think Adam and Snodgrass are much of a muchness so go with the cheaper.
  
  Snodgrass is the better player, but in a worse team
  Adam is a lesser player, but on penalties and set pieces and a team where other people actually try and score.
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  1. Viper
    11 years, 9 months ago
    The fact that Adam allows Aguero in for free makes my mind up I think. Plus I'm going for Mata out instead of Yaya..
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      11 years, 9 months ago
      Yaya and Aguero are musts for me in gwk 31.
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  Surely Aguero will fall once or twice with a double blank?
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  1. Kings of Lyon ★
    11 years, 9 months ago
    If he scores in the cup I cant see that happening.
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4. Kings of Lyon ★
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Id say so. Although I prefer Ince to Adam
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  1. Get up ya bum
    11 years, 9 months ago
    KOL Ince over Snoddy yeah?
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    1. Kings of Lyon ★
      11 years, 9 months ago
      That's difficult one. Id probably say so, not much in it though.
      
      Really enjoyed our tie in the last round in the FA Cup of tea. You've got a very impressive history mate!
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      1. Get up ya bum
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Cheers bud!
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        Get up ya bum
        11 years, 9 months ago
        btw where can I find the fixture list for the cup of tea?
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        Kings of Lyon ★
        11 years, 9 months ago
        https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjHz4PoVGi70dFVSajdDbHNseEtnT1Y0aXR3SGxwYVE&usp=sharing#gid=0
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        Get up ya bum
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Thanks mate
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        Get up ya bum
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Link to your team KOL?
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        Kings of Lyon ★
        11 years, 9 months ago
        There you go mate - http://fantasy.premierleague.com/entry/91/history/
        
        It was the Snoddy goal that put me through. Very tight.
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        Get up ya bum
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Ooh true. Well played man. Now go and win that tea pot 😉
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  2. Viper
    11 years, 9 months ago
    I already have Puncheon so would prefer to not go with Ince..
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    1. Kings of Lyon ★
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Prefer Snoddy but if Adam allows you to get Aguero for free then go with that. Theres not much in it imo
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5. elkunaguero
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Ince may have a DGW
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Del Monte
11 years, 9 months ago
Roy Keane is raging!!!!!!!
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1. Syd.
  11 years, 9 months ago
  He is always raging
  
  Just an angry bitter twisted man
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  1. Dr Dream
    11 years, 9 months ago
    But he's right...no passion at United whatsoever.
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    1. Syd.
      11 years, 9 months ago
      He loves having a pop at United.
      
      Has a real chip on his shoulder
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      1. Dr Dream
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Yeah he does..but he's still right on this occasion...
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        11 years, 9 months ago
        do you blame him? he's just brutally honest.
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  2. Henry Hill
    11 years, 9 months ago
    He'd still get on this United team
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2. JWF
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Loved it when he was saying Carrick should have said more in his interview... Keane was virtually speechless with anger and disappointment. Always good value.
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3. MJ6987
  11 years, 9 months ago
  And rightly so. He showed more passion post match than any United player during it. And, he would still do a better job than Cleverley now!
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Lord Flashheart
11 years, 9 months ago
I'm really considering Baines (c)....
Who else?
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1. Siva Mohan
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Adebaaaayooorrrrrrrr
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  1. Lord Flashheart
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Who else that I have 🙂
    
    My options are hazard (ful) bony (CPL) or mirallas (WHM)
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    1. Siva Mohan
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Azarddd
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      1. Lord Flashheart
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Cheers
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Somalion
11 years, 9 months ago
What bugs me most isn't the losing, it's the acceptance of utter mediocrity. Half the players are clearly not even bothered trying to play their best football and all Moyes will do is curse their lack of luck. He's not arsed trying anything different either, sticks to what he knows despite it being nothing short of a disaster. Nobody actually seems to give two shits, that's what bugs me. Would love if all of their wages were result dependent.
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1. Godfather Bandit 42
  11 years, 9 months ago
  ......and losing.
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  1. Somalion
    11 years, 9 months ago
    If you insist 😉
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Somalion
11 years, 9 months ago
Disgusting. Too busy these days with studying and thesis work to even bother watching United any more, supporting a team should give you even some moments of joy in a season. Nothing but a non stop shitfest.
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1. Jack Frost
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Just like my Cherry Tree, needs pruning. ... too much old wood. LOL
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2. r0nh
  11 years, 9 months ago
  At least u dont have another game for almost 2 weeks
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  1. Somalion
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Thank the lord!!!!
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3. Leaf
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Thick and thin and all that
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  1. Somalion
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Oh I agree but I'm too busy to be seeking extra stress right now, not really into the whole masochism thing.
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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Get those birch twigs out. Be a man! 😉
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      1. Somalion
        11 years, 9 months ago
        First time in a long long time I feel genuinely angry at myself for watching the match instead of doing more work Doos. this stuff ain't good for a boy's brain.
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4. Give The Todd Some Love
  11 years, 9 months ago
  At least now you can focus on the FA...I mean the leagu cu-...I mean the top fou-...
  
  Better luck next season I guess
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  1. Somalion
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Hopefully the Europa will be fun.
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    1. Give The Todd Some Love
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Would you rather finish 6th? Genuine question, Europa always seems to prove a major stumbling block
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        11 years, 9 months ago
        I'm not sure actually, I agree it seems to be draining. I fear Moyes has little sense of priority so it would just serve as a distraction.
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5. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
  11 years, 9 months ago
  That's what happens when you support the team that has been top of the league and best in the country for your whole life. You're not used to the losing and scrapping for points that pretty much every other team has done at some point. United have put everything on a plate for their fans, now that has all changed.
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  1. Somalion
    11 years, 9 months ago
    True enough, it's more I actively can't spend what little time off I have these days watching them, it's just a waste of time. I've watched them all season through the bad but priorities have to be taken now! Will still hope they somehow stop the rot.
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    1. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Man, you gotta respect the lows so you can appreciate the highs. The sweet doesn't taste as sweet without the sour!
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      1. Give The Todd Some Love
        11 years, 9 months ago
        This is something all football fans should realise.
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        Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Yes, that is the philosophy of "support", when you support your team 😉 It's what football is all about!
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      2. Somalion
        11 years, 9 months ago
        I agree completely, my point is much much more that I literally do not have any time right now to waste. Buried under working and any spare time I do get I need to use better. As I've said I've watched every (or at least the vast majority of them) United match this season, I just can't commit time that's going to be completely wasted though. Won't be cheering for anyone else, won't be chasing glory, I just can't spend that much time anymore. Not when they're not even arsed trying, that's all I want is for them to try.
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6. Godfather Bandit 42
  11 years, 9 months ago
  At least you signed Rooney......
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  1. Somalion
    11 years, 9 months ago
    On the cheap too 😉
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mikeyyyy
11 years, 9 months ago
I'm managing my fantasy team worse than Moyes is managing united..
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1. Give The Todd Some Love
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Don't be too hard on yourself, we all know that's not true
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2. TokyoRed 東京赤
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Nasty...me too
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3. aehii
  11 years, 9 months ago
  You've probably improved a bit though I bet rather than sunk new lows.
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WorldCupDanB
11 years, 9 months ago
Would somebody be kind enough to check that I am in both cup draws please, I can't find myself as I don't have a search function on my phone.
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1. In Like Flynn.
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Who are we looking for?
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  1. WorldCupDanB
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Anonymous
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  2. Woy of the Wovers
    11 years, 9 months ago
    It could be anybody....
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    1. WorldCupDanB
      11 years, 9 months ago
      No, no it couldn't
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      1. UnderstandablyDistraught
        11 years, 9 months ago
        you're right, it's somebody posing as anybody
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        WorldCupDanB
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Thanks
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  3. Whitman2013
    11 years, 9 months ago
    clearly this is a joke but the mods still bend over backwards to help others...
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Parm
11 years, 9 months ago
Moyes:"I decided last week I would play Cleverley and it was a time to bring [Adnan] in and out at right moments so I chose not to use him"
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1. Give The Todd Some Love
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Januzaj at least should have travelled. Not having him on the bench was criminal
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  1. Licky
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Playing Cleverly was criminal. Poor going forward, poor breaking up play, can't tackle, and can't play the ball forward purposefully.
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    1. Parm
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Fellaini was actually OK vs Palace.
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      1. Licky
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Indeed, it was a surprise Moyes didn't bring him on fairly early considering Olympiacos were knocking on the door.
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2. Dr Dream
  11 years, 9 months ago
  aka.."Adnan is one of the best young prospects in Europe so I thought I'd give Cleverley a turn instead"
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3. applebonkers
  11 years, 9 months ago
  jesus, he's 18 and pumped full of the finest nandos chicken. he's good to go for at least a sub cameo
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  1. Parm
    11 years, 9 months ago
    I don't get why Cleverley playing has an influence on whether Januzaj plays or not.
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    1. Dr Dream
      11 years, 9 months ago
      It's all rubbish...Moyes may be trying to keep too many players happy and ending up keeping nobody happy..He's not up to the job..
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      11 years, 9 months ago
      He's talking about them separately isn't he?
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      1. Parm
        11 years, 9 months ago
        You might be right, seems like I was delving too deep into the quotes.
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        Give The Todd Some Love
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Maybe the quote is missing a comma - the importance of good grammar!
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      11 years, 9 months ago
      yeah, dont get that either
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4. There's Always One!
  11 years, 9 months ago
  It's getting very hard to defend moyes. Surely after the weekend the only change he should of made was mata.
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  1. Maddocio
    11 years, 9 months ago
    +1, epiphany for me tonight he just seems to make poor decisions, thought they'd give him another season think he'll go in the summer now
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5. Somalion
  11 years, 9 months ago
  ... He just makes it tougher and tougher to defend him in any way. Really questioning exactly how much blame Fergie deserves at this stage.
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  1. Pepereina Pizza
    11 years, 9 months ago
    earlier someone mentioned that SAF left the cupboard bare to make his own legacy glow that bit brighter. there could be something to that. United seem like they must have the oldest players in the PL by about 3-4 years, averaged.
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    1. Shankly Gates
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Yes I think the old bugger could be that twisted, from a "pool fan long live Moysey!!
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Bubz
11 years, 9 months ago
Why do ITV presenters seem to be constantly trying to deflect the blame from Moyes?!
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1. Syd.
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Because the players were shite
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  1. Bubz
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Their tactics and team selection have been appalling all season
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    1. Jimmers
      11 years, 9 months ago
      but so have the players
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      11 years, 9 months ago
      RVP missing chance after chance isn't exactly the managers fault.
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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius�…
        11 years, 9 months ago
        This ^^^. Well said, Syd.
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      2. Red Viper
        11 years, 9 months ago
        chance after chance? what game were you watching?
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        Syd.
        11 years, 9 months ago
        If he got a half chance last season he buried it this season he is missing straight forward chances that he would've buried last season.
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        Red Viper
        11 years, 9 months ago
        that is just conjecture, RVP is still scoring at similar rates to last season. You cant expect a striker to bury the only chance in the game.
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pundit of punts
11 years, 9 months ago
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1/1948241_665403276857895_2093674868_n.jpg

😀
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1. Kudo Warrior
  11 years, 9 months ago
  lol!
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Gaz Downright
11 years, 9 months ago
I dare not answer Mega's post above, as I would not want to interfere with any auto-replies. A case of "don't feed the animals".
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1. megatronaldinho
  11 years, 9 months ago
  an auto reply is without doubt a phenomenon concocted by you. can't really be a thing, can it? if it is, then why are we fighting the robots? (surely, we're fighting the robots?!) cos they'vealready won. and don't claim not to be a robot, cos that's exactly what a filthy humanoid would say. i mean fellow human. human. that' s what i said. we humans and our faulty biology eh? eh?
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Get up ya bum
11 years, 9 months ago
The most mega of trons inspires the loud songs of the non conformists
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1. Zep
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Am I to actually listen to that song, or was the message just the name of the song? 😉
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  1. Zep
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Ah I listened to first bit, and now I understand...
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  2. Get up ya bum
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Your post just reminded me of it. "Any man who knows a thing, knows he knows not a damn damn thing at all" 😉
    And yes listen, nice song 🙂
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Get up ya bum
11 years, 9 months ago
Ooh gw31 looking nice for pool. Scratch the plan of Suarez > Rooney then. Back to the drawing board
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1. UnderstandablyDistraught
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Do you have any drawings of Rooney from his fat, bald days?
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  1. Get up ya bum
    11 years, 9 months ago
    I do but they're in my private collection
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    1. UnderstandablyDistraught
      11 years, 9 months ago
      worth a few bob now I'd say
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      1. Ryan
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Just have to have him wallowing in cash as well. Could sell that image.
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        UnderstandablyDistraught
        11 years, 9 months ago
        darn tootin' they'd be queuing up
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Optimus.
11 years, 9 months ago
"Other United players are often in the zones I'd like to play in. I find that a pity." - Robin van Persie

What and who does he mean?
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1. Lizard Lips
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Means players encroach on his zone, so instead of taking defenders away with them they bring more defenders over to him, meaning less space and fluidity.
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  1. Optimus.
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Yeah makes sense..Oh and i didn't reply to your post as your team is in great shape..I would just use 1 transfer this gw and roll the other over
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    1. Lizard Lips
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Cheers OPTIMUS 🙂
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2. applebonkers
  11 years, 9 months ago
  rooney in his wife
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  1. Optimus.
    11 years, 9 months ago
    😀
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3. Piggs Boson
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Rooney maybe?
  
  This doesn't sound too positive. Sounds like Moyes should listen to his players more, they know better than anyone what is going wrong.
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  1. Lizard Lips
    11 years, 9 months ago
    I watched them the other day and saw Rooney amongst others bunching close to him several times, RVPs face said it all, not happy, and rightly so.
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  2. Dr Dream
    11 years, 9 months ago
    maybe RVP likes his "top dog" mantle..maybe that was part of the problem between SAF and Rooney..maybe..
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4. Dr Dream
  11 years, 9 months ago
  when did he say that ?
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  1. The Shadow
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Probably right before he demanded to be transferred this summer.
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    1. Dr Dream
      11 years, 9 months ago
      you never know..he went to Unted to win trophies, well that plans a bit out the window now...
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5. Bubz
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Where can I find this interview?
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  1. theloveburglar
    11 years, 9 months ago
    u cant lol
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6. onionbarje
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Players are running towards him, causing defenders to run towards him, so he can't do anything. Good footballers drag defenders away from their strikers, to give them space.
  
  I would say Rooney but he is playing quite deep.
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7. The Shadow
  11 years, 9 months ago
  He must be used to it though. Welbeck did it constantly to him last year when they were on together.
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8. theloveburglar
  11 years, 9 months ago
  u wee raker 🙂
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JWF
11 years, 9 months ago
Posted this rant on the wrong thread so thought I'd post it again:

I'm fed up of this whole thing about whether the Prem is the best league or not (Keane chiming in that it's clearly not because Prem teams are struggling in Europe). We need to separate these two things:
Best TOP TEAMS in the world and best LEAGUE in the world.

The top two or three teams in Spain and Germany (and to a lesser degree Italy and France) are clearly either better or at least as good as those in England at the moment but the FPL as a whole - in terms of the totality of all the teams in it and how competitive it is - is the best LEAGUE competition in the Europe.
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1. Jimmers
  11 years, 9 months ago
  So Southampton are better than Villareal?
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  1. Granville
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Swansea are better than Valencia, that's for sure.
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  2. JWF
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Again, you're missing the point. It's about the totality of the league as a competition and the fact that all of teams are a lot closer to each other and able to beat each other leading to a much more unpredictable and exciting competition.
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2. alastair
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Because of the competitive nature of our league our top teams have it harder on a week by week basis - that does count against them in the Champions League
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3. Granville
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Totally agree with that. There are a lot of people wanting to bash the PL and most of them can't get enough of it.
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4. SamH123
  11 years, 9 months ago
  what a strange match people are using to criticise the PL
  United are basically 7th in the pl (everton have easy game in hand), 15 points behind the leaders yet breezed their group and lose all of 2-0 away in last 16
  how is that a smear on the pl???
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5. jurgenizer | TRIPEIROS
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Agree 100%
  
  Premier is the #1 League in the world for me.
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6. isacki: full casual
  11 years, 9 months ago
  Another separation: the Prem is the most exciting league in the world, but not the best.
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TorresMagic™
11 years, 9 months ago
Morning all 🙂

Price Changes

Risers : Giroud & Livermore

Fallers : Bardley, Gabbidon, Borriello, Karagounis, Dzeko, RJohnson & Nzonzi
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Obi Wan Elokobi
11 years, 9 months ago
Man U fans, if Ferguson hadn't have said trust Moyes no matter what would you still want him as manager? (genuine question)
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1. Del Monte
  11 years, 9 months ago
  no, i want klopp or simeone
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2. There's Always One!
  11 years, 9 months ago
  I don't care what fergie said because he left the mess.
  
  I have been defending moyes from the start but it is now getting very hard to defend him. Can't for the life of me understand why he played cleverly tonight
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  1. Bubz
    11 years, 9 months ago
    I don't really understand the "he left the mess" opinion. He left a squad that had just won the premier league title.
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      11 years, 9 months ago
      Very lucky, years of ref decisions take there place and everyone else was awful last year and I think Ferguson knew a season like this was imminent with the team he left
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      1. Bubz
        11 years, 9 months ago
        But going from winning the prem by 11 points to barely being able to compete against very average sides has to be something to do with management
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    2. There's Always One!
      11 years, 9 months ago
      Am not getting into this again. But I stand by what said
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      1. Hibbo
        11 years, 9 months ago
        What you said is a load of pish.
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        There's Always One!
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Ok mate. Will you please tell me where all the quality is in the squad
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        Hibbo
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Are you actually a United fan? Anyone that comes out with Fergie left a mess is a plastic spolit brat. Check the roll call of trophies you won under Fergie the joy those successes brought you. But you choose to shit all over his legacy and say Fergie left us a mess. He left a title winning team.
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        There's Always One!
        11 years, 9 months ago
        Fergie was and is the best manager of all time fact. But just because am a utd fan am not going to defend the squad he left or forget about the fact he never replaced Keane or Scholes.
        
        And I also think the timing of his book was a disgrace!
        
        And please stop going on about the title winning team. Anybody who knows anything about football will tell you he left e squad in bad shape
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        Hibbo
        11 years, 9 months ago
        I'm really laughing about this Fergies book.
        
        Oh and one more thing...
        
        He left a title winning team.
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        There's Always One!
        11 years, 9 months ago
        I don't actually think if fergie slept with your partner if would make any difference to your opinion of him.
        
        I love fergie like every other utd fan. But am not going to defend or turn a blind eye to the squad and everything else he left behind.
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        Hibbo
        11 years, 9 months ago
        The whole sleeping with partner thing is a bit weird don't really know where your going there.
        
        As for the mess behind you list a team below with a nice formation possibly one you play on FIFA.
        
        How many of the players did Fergie leave? Was it 9?
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        There's Always One!
        11 years, 9 months ago
        The transfer window is shut! That formation is what I think is the best of what we got! It ain't my my dream team!
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    3. JJO
      11 years, 9 months ago
      I agree with TAO..he left the mess,the only reson why they won it last season is because it was the worst Pl season since I watch Pl..never saw teams playing that bad againast MU..this team is 3 times worse than Che and Mcity,and in my opinion even worce than Ars and Liv..in rang with Tot,Eve..so there real position is 5-7
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      1. Hibbo
        11 years, 9 months ago
        So this years Premier League is vintage?
        
        How far are the current top teams behind Europe's elite Man City Chelsea Arsenal Liverpool are in the mix but none are convincing.
        
        By your thinking last seasons Premier League title doesn't count for much just because you say so.
        
        The Fergie left a mess thing is really funny tbh.
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        There's Always One!
        11 years, 9 months ago
        If you don'tdon't agree with the mess fergie left tell why it isnt a mess.
        
        because what i see he left is
        
        Rio and vidic who are going/finished. He left him central midfeilders like cleverly, Carrick, giggs, Anderson who are all crap/finished. He left very average wingers. He left him the row he caused with Rooney. And best of all he left him to deal with the fall out from his autobiography
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        Hibbo
        11 years, 9 months ago
        This is the equivalent of treason.
        
        Hang your head in shame for you are no United fan.
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        There's Always One!
        11 years, 9 months ago
        You say what you want. Am just being honest
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  2. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
    11 years, 9 months ago
    He left the mess? He left the team that won the Premier League!
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    1. Give The Todd Some Love
      11 years, 9 months ago
      I wouldn't say he left a mess, but he certainly left at the right time
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3. Parm
  11 years, 9 months ago
  How many actually wanted Moyes in the first place?
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  1. Give The Todd Some Love
    11 years, 9 months ago
    One. Ferguson.
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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      11 years, 9 months ago
      U2 b side
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      1. Give The Todd Some Love
        11 years, 9 months ago
        😀
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  2. Obi Wan Elokobi
    11 years, 9 months ago
    A lot of the fake fans did because they didn't know any different. If Ferguson says it's good it's good in their eyes (not all fans but majority)
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  3. Somalion
    11 years, 9 months ago
    Martinez was my big hope.
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    1. Parm
      11 years, 9 months ago
      I wanted Mou.
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      1. Somalion
        11 years, 9 months ago
        I hate his style but I can't say that I dislike the man and he knows how to succeed.
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4. Licky
  11 years, 9 months ago
  In all fairness, you would have to be naive regarding his comments about the teams capacity to kick on, the midfield needed more investment at the very least, so by going on that I would say they should have waited to judge for themselves, Moyes should at least be challenging for top four, he's now relying on three teams screwing up massively just to have a hope of achieving it.
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  1. Obi Wan Elokobi
    11 years, 9 months ago
    There is no hope, his old team is going to finish above him and it really says something about him as a manager in my opinion
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    1. There's Always One!
      11 years, 9 months ago
      I don't think any other manager apart from fergie himself would be doing any better with what he's got. Take rvp's goals away from Last year would we have finished
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Henry Hill
11 years, 9 months ago
Rio's comments on Twitter coming coming back to haunt him:

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