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As regular readers may know, the current set of tasks being carried out by Matz1lla involves Expected Goal data.

We have made great progress with this in recent weeks and, on our test servers, we now have tables and maps up and running. That gives me the opportunity to show work in progress and detail what is due to arrive in Update Six.

Effectively, we’re using Opta’s data to bring you both Expected Goals (xG) and Expected Assists (xA) for both players and teams.

If you are new to the concept you can view this excellent movie from Opta explaining how xG is generated.

A full explanation from Opta is also available here.

Meanwhile, the xA data is a little different to that currently available elsewhere.

The Expected Assists data you will get as part of the update will not be generated using the xG value of a shot, instead – as explained here – it assesses the likelihood that a pass will lead to a “primary assistâ€.

Opta’s full explanation is:

“Expected assists measures the likelihood that a pass will be a primary assist. The model is based on the finishing location of the pass, what type of pass it was and a variety of other factors. This model is not reliant on whether a shot was taken from this pass, so credits all passes, regardless of whether they result in a shot.”

By combining xG and xA, we are able to offer an Expected Goal Involvement (xGI) statistic for players, representing the number of goals they were expected to either score or assist over any given period.

The table below shows the top ten Defenders xGI for Gameweek 7 just gone.

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So our Members will be getting access to three statistics – xG, xA and xGI, with the latter available for players only.

However, our team data also includes xGC, or Expected Goals Conceded, so that we can assess team defensive strength.

All this data is, as ever, available to slice by any of our filtered intervals – so you can view player and team data by Gameweek, by Matches and by Home and Away matches.

It’s also dropped into our comparison tools for players and teams and will be made available for adding to custom tables.

We’ve also mapped the data to provide a visual representation of xG.

So below you’ll see a graphic showing a comparison of Sergio Aguero and Gabriel Jesus and their xG so far. We’ve allowed for full tooltip information on any xG value, giving access to the shot type, the assister and the xG value assigned.

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Effectively, coupled with our existing Opta data, this adds a whole new weapon to our armoury when analysing teams and players.

It allows for the assessment of players and teams that are perhaps either under or overperforming, therefore offering clues as to likely regression or improvement.

We will, of course, be using the data to create members’ articles, offering guidance on how to use it and what it can tell us.

We’re currently refining the work on the test server, fixing bugs and adding new methods of showing the data.

Next, we plan to add widgets to the members’ dashboard, showing the top ten under and overachieving players for xG for the current Gameweek, with the ability to quickly view any Gameweek and the season as a whole.

I would hope that we will be in a position to release the first iteration of xG as part of Update Six early next week.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. G-Whizz
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Nice developments!

  2. Bury94
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Would you do Mkhi to Silva for a -4?

    1. Dreaming of glory
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yes based on long term view. No need to panic tho as their prices won't change soon

    2. Gregor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I'd get Sterling.

  3. Karan_G14
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Keep up the good work guys!

  4. Hy liverpool
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Early I know

    play one

    A. Lascelles sou
    B. Carroll HUDD
    C. Ritchie sou

    1. Botman and Robben
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Ritchie

    2. Goat
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A haul for carroll would be 3 points

    3. Team Bobcat
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      C

  5. Botman and Robben
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    How is this for a WC? Views appreciated

    0.0 ITB

    Fabianski
    Mee Davies Monreal
    Groß Doucoure Coutinho D.Silva
    Jesus Kane Lukaku

    Elliot T.Carroll Simpson Hunemeier

    1. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Wc your wc
      Sure you want better midfielders than doucare and gross
      Luk to vardy and fix this imo

    2. MFC86
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I'm currently on something similar, the problem is with that front 3 you have to sacrifice from somewhere else, in this case midfield

  6. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Anything need changing?

    Elliott
    Otamendi Jones Cedric Ward
    Eriksen Alli Sterling
    Kane Lacazette Vardy

    (Foster, Mbemba, Atsu, Carroll)

    1. Norman Conquest
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      change lacazette to jesus if you can

      1. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers I do like Jesus, just feel I'll give Lacazette 3 more GW's (WAT, EVE, SWA)

    2. @fpl_phenom
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Very strong team! You must have a high TV

      1. SAKA AND EMILE SMITH ROWE
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Thank you! Currently at 101.8m, had Jones & Otamendi from the start which has been a blessing

  7. Team Cruel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Good. Will we be able to discuss the numbers here in public or will that give away too much info?

    1. Holmes
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      You can indirectly deliver the message, no problem 😉

      1. Team Cruel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Okay. Kane’s xG for the first goal was 0.0111. Owners were lucky 😉

        1. Johqvist
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Like we needed a xG number to realize that.

      2. DAZZ
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Just buy a membership, it's cheap as chips and you get access to everything! No need to be tight

    2. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 19 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Discussion of xG values will be fine within reason. As always, it will down to our discretion. A post listing an entire set of data will likely be removed, a discussion around one or two figures all fine. It will be case by case.

      1. rdamjan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Do you plan to add xG stats on first members page? This would be great.

        1. Mark
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 19 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Yep, that's what I meant by the widget on the top ten under and overachievers - so you can see, at a glance, on the opening screen of the members area.

          1. @fpl_phenom
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            This is great!

          2. The Non Flying Dutchman
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Hi Mark,

            A suggestion would be to have this:

            Player Expected points for Goal involvement - i.e. for a striker, XG x expected points for Goal including expected bonus uplift + XA x expected points for Assist including expected bonus uplift.

            Player Expected points for Goal involvement (value) - Expected points for Goal involvement / Price

            Figures may go to multiple decimal places though. lol

      2. Econ Man
        8 years, 9 months ago

        What if someone posts a list of xG figures from Understat? Hopefully the Scout model will be better, but figures are in general going to be highly correlated, especially when you are looking at xG from a reasonably large sample of shots (say xG from 20+ shots).

  8. Champions united
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    1) whom to sell for davies

    cedric/alosno/jones/morgan/

    2) whom to bring for Mikhi

    sane/sterling/silva/coutinho

    2FT

    1. Holmes
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      1) None? Morgan if any
      2) Coutinho or Silva, probably Silva

    2. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Alonso and coutinho/sterling
      But why sell davies ?

      1. Hy liverpool
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        My bad
        Morgan imo

      2. Team Cruel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        He wants to get Bavies.

      3. kumast
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        He wants to BUY Davies.

        1. Hy liverpool
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Chill .. I need to sleep I know 🙂

      4. Champions united
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        want to buy davies

        whom should i sell ??
        cedric/alosno/jones/morgan/

    3. kumast
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Sell Jones, buy Silva.. imo.

    4. Pranav Santhosh
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Jones sterling

  9. kumast
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone got a link to the latest Scoutcast? Or wasn't there one this week?

    1. Team Cruel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      International break. Come back next Tuesday.

      1. kumast
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        thanks.

  10. Nanoelektronicar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A) Firmino > Vardy
    B) Eriksen > Sterling

    1. Phil Dagger â­
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

    2. kumast
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A), and also Erik to Silva if you have Kane.

    3. DonTheSpecialOne
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A!

      Why sell Eriksen?

    4. Pranav Santhosh
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B

  11. bojack
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    This looks awesome. Good reason to remain a member.

  12. How do you select a striker?
    J0E
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    • 17 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Fantasy Football Scout - daily hot topic

    How do you select a striker?

    Aside from the obvious criteria - of scoring goals. What else do you look for in a striker.

    Are you a fan of underlying statistics - such as shots on target and the expected goals informtion we are developing?

    Or do you favour a striker who perhaps is not as prolific as a goal scorer but also offers assists and is a magnet for bonus?

    Who have been your favourite strikers over the years and how did you select them - fixtures/form or back that initial over riding concern - actually getting the ball in the net.

    1. J0E
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 17 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      For me I look at fixtures more than anything with a striker.

      fixtures against weaker opposition is often Fantasy gold for a good striker. We can never have all the good ones with just three slots so it makes sense to target those with the best fixtures and chop and change.

      Its why I'm happy to ditch Lukaku in favour of Jesus...and why in previous seasons I've opted for the likes of Drogba and Rooney when the fixtures look great.

      1. rdamjan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        How do you plan to get Lukaku back when fixtures turn. He is not playing especially good, but he still scores.

        1. J0E
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 17 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          By trading in one of my cash cows for a magic bean.

          Planning on Vardy to a cheaper striker

          Or one of my three premium mids to Richarlison.

          I've looked at RMT and analysis here on captaincy over next few and other strikers all feature more prominently than Lukaku for the armband.

          But GWK 12 that all changes and I'll be launching Operation Welcome Back Rom then.

        2. HashAttack
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          with his high ownership, Lukaku is going to be one of the most price stable players in the game ... shouldn't really be a problem

      2. 2hotty
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        yes can see ur reasoning jonty but for me lukaku is a season keeper while he is producing i personally dont see jesus matching him for points

      3. Mark-O
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Counter argument: Southampton has good fixtures but look at the donkey Gabbiadini

      4. TokyoRisingSun
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        The fixture aspect applies more to defenders than strikers imo. If they're in a purple patch of scoring I'd keep them anyway.

    2. Norman Conquest
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      fixtures and form usually

      1. HashAttack
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        gone well so far ... Kane at home to Burnley and Swansea, Laca home to Brighton, even Lukaku home to CPL

    3. Kings of Lyon ★
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Fixtures are key. When it comes to captaining a striker I always look at the oppositions shot conceded in the box. Being the penalty taker for their club is also a huge swing and the main reason why Lukaku will not score as much as Kane this year. In saying that there have been a lot less pens so far in the PL this season

      1. J0E
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 17 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Even last year when midfielders rule I can't help but captain a striker. Same this season - though that is paying off.

        Agree those shots conceded in the box are key.

        There are also some strikers though were quality shines through quantity in the underlying stats -like Vardy - very accurate.

        1. kysersosa
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          I think your first paragraph is due to midfielders under performing this season, in contrast to previous seasons.

      2. Cok3y5murf
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        He doesn't have to score as much as Kane. He costs 1m less.

        He scored 25 goals playing for a worse team without penalties last season. He doesn't need them.

    4. norcaljosh
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Look at underlying stats and then watch his confidence in highlights or full games if I can.

      Kane- great underlying stats but was just unlucky not to get a brace a game.
      Joselu- great underlying stats but panics on the ball and can't finish.

      Assists are handy as are bonus points (Morata loves baps more than Costa) but goals are king of course.

      Look for explosiveness as well as a captaincy option. More likely to score a brace+, he's worth the outlay.

      Being on pens are a big factor too, it's an easy 3-5 goals a season.

      Lukaku the ultimate form v fixtures at the moment. Don't have him and need to move Morata. May get him in regardless.

    5. DonTheSpecialOne
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Mostly form and fixtures followed by stats.

    6. G-Whizz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I do look at fixtures but pre season it's coupled with the team and their role in that team for example Spurs Harry Kane whereas a team like WBA goals could come from anywhere.

      Over the years I've had Shearer, Henry, Cole, Yorke, Van Persie, Van Nistelrooy, Costa, Lukaku, Vardy the list goes on and on lol all selected because you knew where guaranteed 20 plus goals a season...

    7. Smurf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      All about form for me and how sharp they look on the eye test. I don't really take fixtures into consideration.

    8. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Stats/Fixtures/form and players that I trust to captain all considered specially Fixtures.

      But also ' gut ' is big factor for me.

      My best season was with sturridge then got suarez on his first game after the ban. So it wasn't about stats/form/fixtures sometimes best to go with your gut.

      1. RedLightning
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 16 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I remember that Evs timed his wildcard that season to coincide with Suarez's first game after his ban.

        Brilliant timing - wish I'd thought of it and done the same!

    9. Cok3y5murf
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Form/Player quality > Fixtures.

      The underlying statistics, mainly the xG, help me identify form.

      Fixtures are important, but the form and player quality come first for me.

    10. JurgenRodgers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      For me I love a Striker who’s sole aim is to shoot (Kane) & be greedy ...
      I also love a poocher but they are few & far between these days
      Linker Owen Fowler Cole etc...

    11. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Shots on target. That's it. For a striker, that is the be-all and end-all. From wherever.

      Sometimes, that's not enough. The shot is too weak, it is always at the keeper, it hits the woodwork.

      But the good strikers - the Lukakus and Kanes - have always had very high figures in this regard.

    12. The Rumour Mill
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Goalscoring form, don't really consider bps as these will come with the goals anyway. Big fan of playing the fixtures too, ie the forward in question is facing a team with a historically poor defence.

      Don't really look at stats, go with gut instinct and through watching games or MOTD.

    13. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      with the fewest spot up front and a fair few options i throw in having to like them as a player or even person. for example ive never owned vardy or costa and own benteke far too much because i love him

    14. Holmes
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Fixtures, number of shots and being only striker of their team

      This is for premium forwards. For lower half, having decent fixtures will do the trick

    15. Individual
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Lies, damned lies.. and statistics, price and fixture.

      It depends on the typology of strikers you require, with price being the key driver of choice.

      My usual set up is to have 2x premium strikers (10+) plus 1xmid ranger (say up to 9.0).

      Selection tends to be through using a blend of quantitative and qualitative methods to assess options and decide.

      Quant:
      Stats so far, which are shots on target, conversion and involvemen (though I'm increasingly using xG to test if correlation according to that metric = causation).
      It's also good to read other people's interpretation of the data to understand what they see in it, then look at the raw data yourself (if you can) to see if you agree - if you don't have time to do this, I totally get it tho haha 🙂

      Qualitative - this tends to be more decision making based on my own judgement and perspective, usually after pinpointing options quantitatively. I look at things like:
      - Is his potential output is commensurate with his price?
      - Are fixtures are good enough to warrant investment (particularly for the mid ranger; for the premiums you tend to think they are "fixture proof" - c.f. Kun Aguero, RvP, Didier Drogba, Harry Kane)?
      - By owning him, am not missing out on a better alternative?
      - What "escape routes" (as you'd call them Jonty) do I have in case of emergency?

      Then I make my choices.

      Obviously harder during the season when you're not on your WC as you're restricted by factors like cash in the bank, fixtures, the need to differentiate and perceptions of form.

      But that kind of is in a nutshell how I do it.

      1. Individual
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I'd add that for the cheap and dirty strikers it's always a matter of short term fixtures coupled with my perception of form - they need to be a merciless points grab rather than a fire and forget normally

    16. FPL.team
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      In a striker I look for one that is greedy. I know Kane will never pass and will always shoot and therefore will give himself a good chance of scoring.

      I also look for strikers who are the focal point of their teams. For example most goals will go through Kane, Lukaku and Morata, however at City you are not sure if the goals will come from Aguero or Jesus. It's the same reason I am not tempted by Firmino but would potentially be by Vardy.

      I also don't like to skimp on strikers. I have selected a strong front 3 and bar injury they will be in all season. I always find with the 3rd cheap striker route I am always doubting myself and wasting transfers each week trading and swapping between them.

      Fixtures have a small part to play for me but less so I think when going with premium forwards as they can score against anybody (or should be able to at that price).

    17. tm370
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      The eye test (of course) - and fixtures and form.

      But especially important is their centrality to the team. I.e Kane, Lukaku (who I think is a worse player than Kane), and Morata are all central to the attacking efforts of their team. The end goal in these teams is often to get the ball to these strikers - they dominate the big chances. I'm not convinced that the same can be said for someone like Jesus or Firmino. They are often supplementary or auxiliary - they may be a creator or play deeper than the other options - they often sacrifice themselves for the good of the team. Accordingly, they may also be more prone to rotation, either because of the benefits of an out and out striker (Sturridge) or because their role can be taken by a winger (Sterling).

      Accordingly, my tactic going forward, is to accommodate two big central strikers (Kane and Morata atm), and to rotate, according to fixtures, the less pivotal players. I'm looking, atm, at Vardy, as a pretty essential attacker at a team lower in the division who score goals.

    18. tisza
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      like a mixture of a consistent striker (Costa), a potentially explosive (Kane, Kun) and a value option (Vardy, Austin). Examples given not specific to this season.
      Started this season with Lukaku, Jesus & Firmino. Jesus turned out to be steady rather than explosive so Lukaku went to Kane.

    19. President Giggs
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A mixture of underlying stats (shots inside box, shots on target, big chances), and the eye test. I also like strikers with high baseline bps, as they turn 6 pointers into 9 pointers and is why i'm holding onto Firmino 😉

    20. Yozzer
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Watching the games will ALWAYS rule over a load of numbers and going form over fixtures to an extent. If two players are on form then I'll use stats and fixtures.

      I'm thinking of dropping Kaku for Jesus but this could be the stupidest move I make all season

    21. mosmof
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Goal threat. Set pieces, obviously penalties help as well.

      RVP was probably my favourite ever FPL striker. Especially at Arsenal he would take a lot of corners and free kicks. Many was the game where he might be quiet in general play, swing in a set piece delivery that was nodded home. 'Only' an assist but ten points at least avoided the dreaded captain failure.

    22. Jarnathan
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Maybe I'm wrong and someone can actually back this up with real data, but:

      - I think that fixtures are much more important for strikers outside of the top 6 teams. Those teams defending against weaker opposition are less likely to park the bus..

      - But I don't really care who Morata / Kane / Lukaku / Aguero is playing against - these top strikers can score against anyone - I'm going to select them based more on form (the eye test).

      So in Summary - fixtures are more important for cheap / mid-priced strikers and form is more important for the premium options.

    23. Danno - Emre Canada
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Confidence - involvement - energy - form

    24. Hooky
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      1. Never played for Norwich
      2. Not a nasty horrible chav called Vardy
      3. Fixtures
      4. Form
      5. If still undecided then chose the one with the best facial hair

      1. Team Cruel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Refuse to believe 2 looking at your 15/16 rank.

        1. Hooky
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          I've never owned him. Had Mahrez from GW1 and Ighalo for his hot streak that season. No player is ever essential.

      2. Pochecinno
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        You know Kane played for Norwich, right?

        1. Hooky
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Busted! Loan doesn't count 😉

          1. Pochecinno
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Haha

    25. McNulty
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      This season just choosing the three most expensive that are available seems to be working great. We can build the rest of the team with value picks and have an amazing captaincy choice every week. Seems you can bank on 30 points from your strikers most weeks.

      GW1: Lukaku (26), Kane (1), Jesus (1)
      GW2: Lukaku (12), Kane (1), Jesus (1)
      GW3: Kane (4), Jesus (9), Lukaku (0)
      GW4: Lukaku (12), Kane (13), Jesus (12)
      GW5: Kane (2), Lukaku (12), Jesus (6)
      GW6: Aguero (22), Kane (13), Lukaku (7)
      GW7: Kane (26), Lukaku (6), Lacazette (2)

      Thats an average of 27 per week and my captains haven't been particularly great (first player on the list is captain). It is a third of the budget but with so much value in defence and potential in some of the budget mids I think its a price worth paying. The premium strikers are also the most captain (has anyone captained a midfielder yet?!), so I think it also covers having calamitous weeks even if you pick the wrong captain.

      This is considering Kane doesn't even have a star by his name yet on the transfer page and Jesus minutes have been restricted, I can't see the points tailing off any time soon.

      As it happens the big strikers are bossing the stats too, the important ones to look for are shots in the box, shots on target and use touches in the box as a reference to see whether players are overachieving or not.

    26. The Non Flying Dutchman
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Pedigree (past seasons)
      Form
      Team Stats - Chance creation, Goals scored
      Player Stats - SoT and XG
      Fixtures
      Nailedness

      All the above is why I picked Kane GW1 and stuck with him through August.

    27. D_R_S_PORT_S
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Form and fixtures simple

    28. Numb
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Roughly in order of importance

      1. Proven quality / goalscoring record
      2. Form - actual goal involvement combined with underlying stats
      3. Ownership
      4. Fixtures - including captaincy requirements
      5. Bonus point / assist potential

      1. Numb
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Things I ignore:
        Kane never scores in August
        Player X has scored lots of goals against Team Y in the past
        Etc

    29. Feyzi
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I have three criteria.

      One slot is for, indeed, those that provide both assists and goals. That is why I will not ditch Lukaku. He is the only uninjured player who has had 15 shots on target plus 12 chances created. http://members.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/my-stats-tables/view/20404/

      One slot is for the non-premium, usually budget striker. Currently mine is Abraham. 2 years ago it was Bournemouth Wilson until injured. I will WC in GW11 and all going well, I will switch to Joselu then.

      And the last slot is for either my gut feeling or what I fear. What I fear is when someone is owned 50%+. That is Lukaku so no problems. Then my gut feeling is Kane. He always was this season, from GW1. I will not change him. Similarly, I will never get Lacazette for this slot; since I can't see Arsenal winning that much and its his first season. Similarly, as long as Jesus and Agüero play together I will never get one of them; they will share goals. As for Morata, I don't have the gut feeling but I am getting to be scared...

    30. ianlamerton
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      For me it's shots on goal.

      I've had Kane and Lukaku since the start. I never contemplated replacing Kane as although he didn't score in August (again!) the stats were there . He could easily have had 3 or 4 goals by the end of August with a bit of luck. That faith has now been rewarded with his September form.

      I'm not contemplating switching Lukaku despite United's difficult run of fixtures. He remains guaranteed to start for those difficult games (unlike Mkhi) and United's most likely source of a goal. Plus he has Huddersfield (a) in the middle of that run of games. He could quite possibly score 2/3 in that game (just like Kane). If he then scores 2 goals across the Liverpool, Spurs, and Chelsea games then he suddenly as 4 goals from the tricky 4 game spell going into GW 12.

      I'd only consider switching either Kane or Lukaku if there was an injury, suspension, or their shots on goal suddenly fell off a cliff consistently over 3 or 4 games.

    31. Witty Pun: Not good at this…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Go to "Transfers"
      Remove a striker
      Autopick
      Confirm transfer

    32. Johqvist
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I felt obligated to captain Siggy once last year cause my team name was Gylfi Pleasure (to be fair he was on form and had a plum home fixture aswell, but that's not what I told me friends). Got an assist so not a complete failure but won't happen again.

    33. Andy_Social
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Right now it seems there are only 3 viable strikers left, none of whom you can afford to miss out on. Decision by default!

      1. Cok3y5murf
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Not sure who you're talking about, but pretty sure I can afford to miss out on all of them

    34. HALFSPACE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Tactics of his team ie Chelsea's 3-4-2-1 makes Morata a very good option

    35. ChristoBisto
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      This is such an international break hot topic!

      1. Fred54
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        How do you make a cup of tea?

        Fantasy Football Scout - daily hot topic

        How do you make a cup of tea?

        Aside from the obvious criteria - of making a cup of tea What else do you look for when making a cup of tea

        Are you a fan of underlying basic - such as putting the tea bag in first?

        Or do you favour a method which perhaps is not as prolific as a putting the water in first then the bag but also offer in the milk and sugar at the same time?

        Who have been your favourite tea brands over the years and how did you select them - price/form or back that initial over riding concern - actually making a cup of tea.

        1. ChristoBisto
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Haha 🙂

  13. rdamjan
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    This is great!

  14. Smurf
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Is Martina likely to be first choice?

    I don't intend playing him much but I would like a cheap defender on the bench should and rotation arise in the future. For his price he seems a great value bench fodder player IF he is a starter.

    1. Alonso The Great Midfielder
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      maybe for now

    2. Pep says
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I'd avoid. Much better options at 4.4 in teams who actually look like they could keep a clean sheet

      1. Smurf
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Aside from Wimmer who looks a potential risk who would you suggest from the 4.4 bracket?

        1. Pep says
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Manquillo Dunk Suttner. Löwe about to drop also

          1. Smurf
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Thanks.

          2. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            http://www.fplstatistics.co.uk/

            Says Lowe is closer to rise than drop?

        2. Alonso The Great Midfielder
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          could try mariappa watford bun dont know how long can he retain that spot

    3. Veezeeboy
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yedlin/Dunk

  15. Alonso The Great Midfielder
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    can jesus be reliable?

    1. Pep says
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      He has been since joining the Prem League

    2. Botman and Robben
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I think so.

  16. Botman and Robben
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Best midfielder to get for £8.6 or less? Already got D.Silva

    1. Pep says
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Sterling

    2. Pranav Santhosh
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Sterling

  17. Egg noodle
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Why won't Cedric or Bertrand drop? I've been waiting for a week now, they just keep going down to -97% every day, and then get reset back to -95% every night.

    1. Pep says
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      People probably have much more important things to do with Aguero and Morata's injury and Southampton have decent fixtures in the next 4. The knee jerk moves are out of the way now, I can't see many patient managers dropping a player with those fixtures coming up

    2. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      would assume its only really wildcarders selling. with their fixtures it's hard to justify shipping before before patching up holes elsewhere first

    3. J0E
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      There will be a big drop off now in transfer activity until early next week.

      Very few rises and drops over the next few days expected.

    4. Team Bobcat
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      My guess is not enough ownership so their drop potrntial is very limited as a result. Cedric looks like good value for sure and I too would like him to drop 0.1. As for the percentages resetting. My guess there is fpl statistics is only a guide. There will be error +/-5% on any given day which corrects itself once daily.

      1. Egg noodle
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Not good news, but thanks for your responses.

    5. FPL ZB
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I need Cedric to drop for my perfect WC plans. Frustrating.

    6. Individual
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      There's a campaign going on Twitter. Daniels owners and Mee owners also in the crosshairs.

  18. applebonkers
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    some people letting their fpl teams cloud their judgement a bit. as soon as rose is anywhere near 100% davies is at best getting half the games. big scores against the likes of huddersfield, hull and newcastle doesn't change 3 years of information. you are pochettino and mo salah is coming to town, who do you play, rose or davies. for all his quality on the ball mane showed last season the most basic of holes in davies' armoury. what might change this season now davies has become more prolific & reliable for goals & assists is rose sits out a few more games spurs expect to dominate

    1. G-Whizz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I'll cross that bridge...

      1. Team Bobcat
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        This exactly ^

        Enough problems in my team without trying to 2nd guess this one

    2. Pieterke30
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Davies have improved a lot but whoever ends up playing more once they are both fit won't get more than 60% of games.

    3. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Very good points
      I hope davies play vs us for exact the same reason ... last year at anfield mane destroyed davies literally.

    4. Egg noodle
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. There is no excuse for not buying Davies currently.

    5. Kings of Lyon ★
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      While I agree that Rose will come back in Davies is a great fantasy asset and has had more touches in the box than Alli and Salah and more attempted assist and touches than Mhki, Alli and Salah. Hes fantasy gold right now but the moment he gets dropped he needs to go

    6. JurgenRodgers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Rose was outstanding last season, but its Davies jersey to lose, he’s improved a great deal from the Liverpool game, that summer interview wont help either, be a while before he is anywhere near match fitness...

    7. FPL ZB
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      and eventually I'll move Davies on for whoever looks appealing. Not going to miss his points now due to that fact

    8. J0E
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I'm monitoring when Rose returns. Happy to drop then.

      With their fixtures I wouldn't be getting Davies in anyway - but happy to hold for now.

      1. alexmj
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        But you're on wildcard so no need to hold him?

    9. Individual
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Agreed, but the key point here is "when".

      When the time comes that he's not nailed on, his price is too hefty for him to be left, so he'll be outta there for me - as with everyone else!

      At the moment it's not clouded judgement to own him or maybe even be bringing him in for a short-term points grab v Bournemouth. But I guess if you're thinking for some reason you'll have him all season then that's perhaps a bit silly!

    10. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      this is essentially for those saying rose wont get back in the team. trippier mk ii

      1. Individual
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Ah right, yeah - it's not clear who is the #1 LB for Spurs now given the Rose "googlegate", and the circumstances of Rose's absence as well whiff a bit of Berahino's.

        However, saying Bavies is cemented in the position is certainly folly

    11. The Rumour Mill
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Rose has been "a couple of weeks away from a return" for over 8 months now. The injury was clearly far more serious than originally envisaged, and has been complicated to treat. He could be another 8 months away from returning, in that time Davies will have racked up hundreds of points. I don't think you can let Rose affect your decision to buy or keep Davies.

      1. 42towels
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        This. I let the FUD around Costa's 5th yellow stop me from getting him. Regretted that a lot.

        Bought Davies when Rose first got injured 8 months ago. Hasn't left my team since.

  19. Bubz
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Sheeeeeiiiit just realise my 4.0 Long is about to drop

    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yes. Sorry.

    2. Pranav Santhosh
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      He has been about to drop for like a month now

      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I've only just noticed... Lol

    3. DonTheSpecialOne
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Ffs

    4. Holmes
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Mariappa was also dropping but somehow he avoided 😛

  20. DonTheSpecialOne
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Who's your top three favorite fpl players so far this season? In no particular order mine are
    - Ben Davies
    - Phil Jones
    - Mo Salah

    1. FPL ZB
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Kolasinac
      Kane
      De Gea

    2. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      always the differentials who fire.
      mkhitaryan, davies and richarlison. all bought around 2%.

      richarlison for the extra factor of how late his goals are coming lately

    3. Holmes
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Eriksen
      Fabianski
      Yoshida

      1. applebonkers
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        so annoyed about having no other problems to fix the week yoshida got benched so selling him. he's actually been unlucky to only have 1 goal and 1 assist

    4. Cok3y5murf
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      The same three.

    5. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      salah is like eating 1 cookie. a delicious scorer but i'm always left wanting 1 more (bonus and 1 of his weekly sitters to go in to make braces)

    6. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      -loewe
      -mkhi
      -Kane

    7. JurgenRodgers
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Davies
      Salah
      Lukaku from Gw1
      Ones who I expected more from
      Willian
      Dann
      Gabbiadini

    8. WE GO FOR IT
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Lukaku
      Kane
      Fabianski

      Everyone else has disappointed me.

    9. I am 42
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      love and hate kane

      only cap him for his blank

  21. FPL ZB
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Here's a question.

    What's your biggest defining fantasy football moment you can remember?

    Smalling's OG in the last few mins of the 2015 season?
    Aguero's 70th minute sub and penalty miss last year?

    1. Pep says
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Kane's 7 goals end of last season to overtake my Rival who I'd trailed ALL season

    2. applebonkers
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      probably van persie's 4 offside goals in 4 days in man utd's title winning season

    3. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Vardy over kane last gw37 last year . Arghhh

    4. Annie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Southampton 8...

      1. JurgenRodgers
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Last season’s Dgw37
        194 points, dont think I will ever replicate that..
        Sent me on my way to two mini league titles & a 7K finish

    5. WE GO FOR IT
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Smalling's OG cost me a Top 10k finish in my first season as a non-casual.
      Kane's 7 goals in 2 games cost me a Top 5k finish last year.

    6. Holmes
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Sanchez TC last year I guess?
      Yaya C 2 years back got something around 60 iirc

    7. Individual
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      DGW 34 2015/16.

      My arch-rival, my cousin, had been leading the ML all year and had not realised the BB strategy, wildcarding in GW20. He was giving me stick all year, saying about how he'd finally beaten me, how he was going to spend his winnings in our cash ML as his 60 point lead was unassailable, and each week giving me a lot of banter about how much better he was doing than me - basically doing a Newcastle circa 1996.

      The 175 points to overtake were delicious in 34. The 100 points to ensure I won the league from him by 60 points exactly
      in DGW37 was the cherry on top.

      I didn't hear from him for 3 weeks after DGW37 🙂

      1. The Rumour Mill
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Hahaha, wonderful stuff!

        I had similar in the work ml last season, was trailing our IT manager by over 100 points at xmas (which was mentioned a few times!), and was still 60 points behind come spring. Absolutely murdered him wildcarding in 35, GW's 35-38 i scored 64, 74, 183 (-8), and 90, to end up 100 points clear of him. Sweet sweet success!

        1. Individual
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          It is excellent. Especially when they don't see it coming. I suspect the comms went very quiet after that for a while!

          1. The Rumour Mill
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            I'm just grateful he didn't plant anything on my computer to get me sacked by way of revenge!

    8. lilmessipran
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Differential captain on ivan klasnic back in the day.. In which he ended up with a red card.. Costing me a big money h2h

    9. Gobigorgohome
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I think 2013.. Sessegnon goal in DGW.. Cuellar also I got

    10. mosmof
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Positive

      Lescott goal and cleanie for Man City v Bolton on last day of season
      Kevin Nolan hat-trick versus Reading, again last day of the season

      Negative

      Andy Carroll 1x3 TC a season ending calamity

    11. The Rumour Mill
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Mine was the final minute of last season, had fought may way past 68 other competitiors through the season to get to the final of our LMS competition. The last gameweek had to's and fro's throughout the day, but a late Fabregas assist appeared to have done enough for me. Then up popped Ben Davies for my opponent with a stunning long range drive! I was now behind. The minutes ticked by into 90, 91, 92, then news of a goal at Stamford Bridge! Batshiyi....assisted by Fabregas. I genuinely shouted in joy, refreshed my team, and I had him by a single point! It wasn't over there though as I had an excruciating 45 or so waiting for BPS to be confirmed, so I was in a state of pergatory. Finally, an hour after the final whistle had blown i felt like i could truly celebrate as champion.

    12. FPL ZB
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Also thought of Benteke and Austin in their DGW against each other a few years back

      Also TC'ing Sanchez in 2015 helped me win my ML when everyone else bench boosted

    13. DAZZ
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Triple captain aguero for his 5 goal newcastle game never forget.

      Also i remember owning martin laursen early doors of the season for villa, the guy was scoring for fun as a centre half, im sure he had like 3 or 4 goals in the first few months

  22. Champions united
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    mikhi+oriol>>fellani+silva???

    2FT?

    1. Egg noodle
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No. Just Mkhi to Silva

    2. Alonso The Great Midfielder
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      sounds good at least until pogba back

      1. Champions united
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        yes thinking the same
        until pogba back and liv,spurs and chelsea on line
        fellani will be very imp for MOU

    3. WE GO FOR IT
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Wait for Pogba news.

  23. Gooner97
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Willian or Fabregas?

    1. Alonso The Great Midfielder
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      fab

    2. Individual
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Neither if you can avoid it! Is this for a draft league?

      If not, get Choupers or Richarlison instead. Too much rotation risk.

  24. Ricky Spanish
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    I like a striker to be involved a lot.

    For example, in the first game of the season Arsenal beat Leicester 4-3.

    Lacazette scored, played the vast majority of the game, but still only got 6 points. That set off alarm bells for me.

  25. Gooner97
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Rate my WC team

    Elliot, Myhill
    Jones Mustafi Bavies Mee Rangel
    Fabregas Salah Sterling Gross McArthur
    Lukaku Kane Vardy

    0.3ITB

    1. Individual
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Like it. Wouldn't be sure on Mustafi but looks to be playing I guess so why not - could nab the odd goal.

      Only thing I'd say is Fab -> Choupers or Richarlison. Fab too much of a rotation risk - can see why you're trying to cover Chelsea but I'd probably try to do this elsewhere. Can you up Mustafi to Luiz with the remainder from subbing Cesc out? In fact if you get Choupers you can stretch to Azpi, right?

      1. Gooner97
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I could also get upfront Lukaku Kane and Morata, and in midfield have the likes of Tadic, Sterling, Ramsey and Gross.

        1. Individual
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Wouldn't touch Morata now given he's out for 3-6 weeks apparently 🙂

          If you're talking Jesus, though, I can get behind you owning him. Be tempted by Fab down to a 4.5, go 4-3-3 if you do do that.

  26. fantasyfiwip
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Any chance at developing an Expected Points stat. Taking into account the difference in score each position group gets for a goal and obviously the points difference between a goal and an assist.

    Might help settle the debate between whom is better an expensive defender or a mid-low priced mid.

  27. Ace Ventura
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Why is everyone going fab/elliot keeper combo? Rotation doesn't look great

  28. trinzoo
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    More details on Atsu, please? I mean withdrawn from squad, but what is the injury?

    1. Holmes
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Newcastle United winger Christian Atsu has been playing through the pain barrier

      http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-winger-christian-atsu-13719124

      1. trinzoo
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks! Looks like he will play vs Saints.

  29. Gooner97
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A) Salah Vardy
    B) Tadic Morata

  30. Ace Ventura
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    What's your 3 heavy hitter defence combo of choice? On a wildcard and thinking bavies, monreal and jones. Would you get a city/chelsea player in there?

    1. Karan_G14
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Davies Otamendi Azpi

      1. LC1
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        This

    2. aidanon
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      If I had to choose only 3 I would go Davies, Otamendi, Luiz based on the upcoming fixtures. Obviously if you already had Jones I would keep him.

    3. danishdynamite
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Monreal and Jones have some bloody rough fixtures over the next few - you're banking upon Mou parking the bus against Kane and Wenger finding a bus to park

      Azpi and Stones are in my WC draft, and Mee / Wimmer rotate nicely as the last two