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13 December 2010 1659 comments
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So Sam Allardyce was sacked? That’s odd. Onto bigger and better things undoubtedly for all; and to cheer us up from this solemn news is none other than a top of the table clash between Manchester United and Arsenal. Perfect Monday evening entertainment.

United revert to their 451/433 formation which has been a success in recent games against Arsenal, five goals in his most recent game isn’t enough for Berbatov to convince Fergie to alter his tactics. Everyone’s favourite tongue teaser Wojciech Szczesny starts in goal for Arsenal as his compatriot Lukas Fabianski fails to pass muster, Cesc Fabregas is only good enough for a place on the bench. Teams in full are…

United XI: Van Der Sar; Rafael, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra; Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson; Nani, Rooney, Park

Arsenal XI: Szczesny; Sagna, Koscielny, Squillaci, Clichy; Song, Wilshere; Nasri, Rosicky, Arshavin; Chamakh

Whether you are a red or a red, or a neutral, the Dugout Discussion will be open for the evening to take in this battle in full flow.

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  1. Anorak
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    15 years, 4 months ago

    Suspension Tightrope updated.

    Changes for the full weekend:
    Adam (5Y), De Jong (5Y), Figueroa (5Y), HThomas (5Y) and MDavies (1R) now banned for GW18 (along with Arteta who is still banned).
    Chamakh, Jara, RJohnson, Zigic and Knight the new additions to the tightrope on 4 yellows.
    Song, Coloccini, Tiote, Richardson, Larsson, Nelsen, Drogba and Stearman now 2 yellows away from a ban.
    Clark, Coloccini, Williamson, Kolarov and Tevez bans now served.

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    1. Gargamel
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      Great job. I appreciate it.

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    2. Marknlard
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      Great stuff Anorak.

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    3. Gylfi Sigurdsson < That&…
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      Fabregas is on 4 yellows and is one yellow card away from suspension

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    4. applebonkers
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      i wondered how the hell tiote is still 2 booking away from a ban, then realised it's 2 away from his second ban

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    5. tazri
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      how many is nasri on. thanks btw

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      1. Anorak
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        Ctrl+F, Nasri.

        2 yellows - both in PL.

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  2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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    Gahh! Elmander's got a yellow! All you backstabbing gits!!! 😀

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    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
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      booooooooooo!

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    2. Stat virgin
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      They still have the cheek to ignore 7 of Jussi's saves!

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      1. Granville
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        Saves regularly slip under the radar.

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        1. Stat virgin
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          Yeah, one or 2 I can handle, especially if they're not really saves, but the PA provided live text for the match undeniably states he made 10 - that's 70% of them slipping under the radar which is bs. That's what is winding me up

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    3. Anorak
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      Noted - he's 2 away now as well as those above.

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        Err, that defender of Bolton, Rickstaffer or whatever has one less ... 🙂

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  3. Gargamel
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    Very good: Rafel, Sagna
    Good: Vidic, Squillaci(yes, really), Anderson
    Bad: Rooney, Arshavin

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      Really disagree with you ... 😐

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      1. Gargamel
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        You do?

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    2. AP
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      Yup, agree with that Garg.

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        Disagree with you too, then! 😛

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    3. TO
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      +1

      Bad: Clichy
      Arsenal needs a solid LB

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      1. tazri
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        gibbs

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        1. TO
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          Injury Prone

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      2. Granville
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        I thought Clichy did well against Nani actually.

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        1. $hahriyar
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          nani was poor today

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        2. DickFranDyke
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          +1 Granville - I thought he owned him, not going to battle against the massses though.

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    4. jamsiep
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      I thought Koscielny was very good personally.

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      1. Darren Caskey
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        Haha? Looked like he had Nani as fantasy captain on a few occasions, especially on that big Nani chance when he stole the ball back from Clichy, Koscielny then ran AWAY from Nani and let him through on goal.

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    5. $hahriyar
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      carrick was good, clichy shud have a diff category too him alone:Horrific

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  4. dave_the_bear
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    Worst possible result.

    Now to study for exam tomorrow...

    PS
    RBJ - Im Irish 😛 So I wouldnt be cheering if Rooney scores for England 🙂

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    1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
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      aaaah, ta bron orm 🙂

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      1. dave_the_bear
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        Ceart go leor 😉

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  5. zøphar
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    I had -5 because of missed penalties this weekend.. Rooney and Drogba missed pens and drogs got booked after.. not to mention the lost bps cause of those misses 🙁

    weeks like this just make you wonder why you even bother with this fpl bullshit

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  6. Van Dal
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    vidic guranteed bonus, nani also.

    vidic 3
    nani 2
    park 1

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    1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
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      guaranteed you're a fcuking retard.

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      1. Van Dal
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        here he is the coward awaketh

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  7. HuttonDressedasLahm
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    in my opinion that was a Nani assist, but he was chipping to rooney at the back post.

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    1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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      lol

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  8. jamsiep
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    Time to read through the comments on here during the game.... I bet they make for interesting reading! 😉

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    1. Attila the Bum
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      Howard Webb is an exceptional c*nt. I hate him.

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    2. Granville
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      I'll summarise them for you.

      Oooh, arrrggh, yellow card ref, cheat, goal, who got the assist, rooney(c) missed, FT, bp predictions, are the bps out yet?

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      1. tazri
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        NICE

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      2. DickFranDyke
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        Thanks Gran, won't bother then. Although the first thing I read was Clichy was bad, hmm thought he did well considering and was unlucky to give away the pen.
        Well done anyway though, good game which we were not at the races tonight but both teams didn't look at their attacking best.

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  9. villian-ty
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    Did nasri get the yellow or Clichy did?

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    1. Boom!!!
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      nasri

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      1. Jimmers
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        15 years, 4 months ago

        from BBC
        2134: Wow. Gael Clichy is a bit unlucky to concede a penalty and be booked when Nani dribbles past him in the area and the ball hits his hand while he is on the deck.

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  10. Attila the Bum
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    I reckon the main thing to come out of this game, and this season, is that the so called big clubs have never been weaker. The likes of Clichy, Koscielny, Rosicky, Arshavin, Squillaci and Chamakh for Arsenal and Carrick, Anderson, Smalling, Brown, Obertan for Man Utd are exceptionally ordinary players. Yes Anderson has had his moments, but they are few and far between, I wouldnt rate him higher than 7/10 for his game today. None of the above players are good enough to be in two of the three top sides of the English Premier League, and if you add some of the Chelsea jokers: Ferreira, Ramires, Kalou, Anelka, Sturridge then it shows that the gap between the mega clubs and the rest has not narrowed because all of the other teams have improved, its mainly narrowed because the top teams have deteriorated.
    The Man Utd side of 1999 would put five past the side of 2010

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    1. jamsiep
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      -1

      Strange to have a go at Koscielny and Anderson after they were both very good today. I won't stand for any criticism of Anelka.

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      1. Attila the Bum
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        Ordinary players. Very ordinary, not bad but not good enough.

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        1. Jafstar - TheRedDevil
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          atilla who exactly do you support??

          im not a chelsea fan but anelka on his peak was pretty much the perfect finisher

          carrick before his injury absolutely bossed midfield his passing was absolutely impeccable

          and you can-not judge players like obertan, smalling, even kalou and ramires there still young players nowhere near their peak yet

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          1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
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            anderson needs someone to tie his shoelaces for him. He cant even decide which side of the bed to get out of in the morning

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          2. Attila the Bum
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            But you totally misunderstand the point Jafstar
            "at their peak" yes, but Im on about NOW this season, they are average players. I am not knocking Man Utd, Chelsea or Arsenal I am simply saying that they have all deteriorated, whether that is because of lack of financial commitment the last couple of seasons or what I dont know, but they are not the powerhouses of old.

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            1. Marknlard
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              I agree there AB.

              Utd have won 56% of their games, Arsenal 59%, Man C and Chelsea 53%.

              Utd and Chelsea finished on 70% wins last season.

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              1. Attila the Bum
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                The facts are plain, its understandably an issue diehard fans would shy away from but its plain. They are not as good as last year or the year before etc.
                Saying otherwise smacks a little of Nero and his fiddle.

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      2. Locarno
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        Then sit, because Le Sulk has been playing like an injured Heskey.

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    2. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
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      well said sir

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    3. AP
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      -10. Nonsense, sorry.

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      1. Attila the Bum
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        Rose tinted Partridge, I'm not doing a db here but the top sides are pretty poor this season.

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        1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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          +1

          I can't see how anyone can argue with that!?!

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        2. AP
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          Not at all. It's there are more higher quality teams in the league. I agree with Jamsie P, Kos actually impressed me today up against Rooney and Anderson was brilliant, bossed the midfield, he just can't shoot for sh*t or shynola. Strange you think Tiote is brilliant for doing that eh?

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          1. RoysBrotherJohnson- Irish p…
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            wake up

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          2. Attila the Bum
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            I think Tiote has been a better player THIS season than Anderson, I'm going off this year and current form.

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            1. AP
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              Anderson has been brilliant the last 4 matches, hence they are offering him a fat new contract.

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          3. Marknlard
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            There's a lot of dreadful teams in the league. Are Villa, Everton, Fulham or Liverpool the strongest they've been in the past few years? There's no walkover team this season, but the bottom 8 or so teams are as terrible as I remember any being.

            Spurs and Man C are about the only teams to have shown real improvement.

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            1. Attila the Bum
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              Yes I agree with you here MarknLard, I may have picked out the big three but you can add a good few others to the list. I think the Premier League is more entertaining but perhaps the teams are less quality. Hope its just a one year blip.

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            2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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              The 3 promoted teams have all come up with a positive attitude and already beaten the top 4 a few times. Plus Bolton have definitely improved

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              1. Marknlard
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                I agree there SD. Bolton, and Sunderland too, have improved. But Brum, Wigan, Wolves, West Ham, Stoke, they're all pretty bad and drag it down.

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                1. Attila the Bum
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                  *Newcastle have improved too - sort of.
                  Wigan are doing ok, but still I think overall there has been a deterioration of the Premier League, and maybe until today I was looking at it a glass half full - when really it should be "which f*cker drank half my milk?!"

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    4. HuttonDressedasLahm
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      very true, Man City have the team on paper, but all is going wrong, and will get worse!!

      p.s. Would love a fight between Balotelli and Adebayor, with both losing!!

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    5. Zidane
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      +1

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    6. mr messi
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      I think Sturridge is ok actually

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    7. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
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      Koscielny was very good today I thought.

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      1. Attila the Bum
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        He was alright today but I'm not just on about this one game, the whole season he has been pretty poor/average.

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    8. $hahriyar
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      you are partly very wrong here ATB, sorry.

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    9. marshy17
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      +1 not anelka tho
      add benyoun and bentner to that!

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  11. The Gambler.
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    2 frees this week - desperately need them to make an impact.........

    Foster, Carson
    Kolorov, Konchesky, Coleman, Onouha, Alcaraz
    Nani, Nasri, Malouda, Adam, NZogbia
    Carroll, Elmander, Drogba

    help please!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    1. Spoiler
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      elmander out toress in

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      1. marshy17
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        malouda out
        gerrard in

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  12. SOM.... This is Fellaini�…
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    U-N-I-T-E-D

    United are the team for me!

    Anderson was quality AGAIN tonight. Vidic is a beast of a man.

    Szczesny played very good as well.

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  13. rick_7
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    I know we've moved on to Nani-gate now, but BBC and Sky Sports say Elmander wasn't booked at the weekend... Odd.

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    1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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      he was, end of

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    2. Jafstar - TheRedDevil
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      he was

      i remember the tackle...left wing...he tackled diouf and then the commentator said "he feels hes been hard done by his tackles lately...done out of frustration"

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      1. rick_7
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        Ah. OK, thanks.

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  14. Zidane
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    Hey AP what's that stat you gave about park being involved in most of utd wins over arsenal lol,when he scored I remembered your post

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    1. AP
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      Heh, yeah. My god he was dreadful though in his overall play. He gave the ball away so many times. Still, crucial goal and he works like a communist. Love him!

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        You gotta love a trier!!! 🙂 Now, if only they could award an assist to Nani ... 😀

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      2. Zidane
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        lol @ communist

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  15. Jafstar - TheRedDevil
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    come on ferdinand deserved a bp today at least...he was an absolute beats today

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    1. BMox81
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      He was MotM, but I doubt he'll get any tbh.

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    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      +42

      *beast?

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      1. Jafstar - TheRedDevil
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        beast*

        knowing the fpl judges

        3: cantona
        2: george best
        1: paul scholes

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  16. It Is I, Leclerc
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    Penalty misses have crucified me this week - Drogba and Rooney (c) = 3 penalty misses and an 18 point swing.

    Plus the assist that Nani would have got for the penalty, don't you just love this game. You can but laugh!

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  17. wuafs
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    BONUS!
    3Vidic, 2park, 1rafael

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  18. cucumber
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    Is VDV expected back for next week? The faster I get that russian b@stard out the better

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  19. For Fuchs Sake
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    Vidic 3
    Ferdinand 2
    Evra 1

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  20. shak95
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    did anyone else feel ripped of with that game (neutrals)(

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  21. Goose
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    I really hope Nani gets baps but it's ridiculous to think he will, but I won't complain!

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  22. Locarno
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    Nani got 1BP.

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  23. Sheldon
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    Park 3
    Song 2
    Nani 1

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  24. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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    Nani got 1 BP

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  25. Mithrandir, the Grey Pilgri…
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    Nani assist surely!!!!!!!!

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    1. Jafstar - TheRedDevil
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      no

      sorry even as a united fan that was not an assist by any mark

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  26. The Dynamo
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    nani got 1 bps

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  27. Boom!!!
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    bonus points out:
    park 3
    song 2
    nani 1

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    1. Granville
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      Song, lol

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  28. 1966 was a great year for E…
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    Rio was Sky MOTM. I reckon:

    Vidic 3
    Rafael 2
    Park 1

    or maybe

    Park 3
    Song 2
    Nani 1

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  29. The Bandit
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    Another epic captain fail! I blame Nani (and myself and Rooney):(
    Rooneys frustration at Nani was evident. I seem to remember the same last year when rooney was really pissed off at Nani's greed and lack of assists. Then he was replaced by Valencia and it became boom time for Rooney. Sure I'm right, maybe a Utd fan can confirm?

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      Yep, that's pretty much what happened. Nani has improved a lot with his decison making and final ball, but not so good tonight.

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      1. Granville
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        Nani still plays for himself.

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  30. Johnny Unitas
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    Nani 1 bonus,hmmmm

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