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19 August 2011 1262 comments
Mark Mark
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Nothing changes. One Gameweek down and a section of us are already berating the Fantasy Premier League bonus points, questioning their award – venting frustration that the shining performances of our own players have been ignored.

We had such high hopes; the inclusion of the EA SPORTS Player Performance Index as the system that powered the bonus awards was expected to offer clarity – to reward those players who obviously stood out over 90 minutes. However, perhaps that’s an unrealistic goal; perhaps there always be a section of us destined for despair when the bonus is dished out.

From the evidence of Gameweek one, it’s clear that our love/hate relationship with the FPL bonus could very well continue – the Saturday night bafflement transferred to Monday morning, when this season’s statistically powered points arrive. Time will tell.

Having contributed the first Gameweek review at the Fantasy Premier League site, we got a glimpse as some of the statistics that contributed to the EA SPORTS PPI Gameweek totals. That brief dalliance and crucially, from the PPI totals already poured into the game from Gameweek One, a number of theories on the factors that will influence this season’s bonus point distribution have been developed further and a few more questions raised.

Hitting the Target is Crucial…
There were several PPI point totals that caused concern – in particular Fernando Torres earning 0 for his display at Stoke, Victor Moses also fetching 0 for his showing against Wigan and Andy Carroll’s -10 picked up in the 1-1 with Sunderland.

These players appear to have a couple of key factors in common and it’s perhaps the Carroll PPI which offers the most obvious guide. It appears that off target goal attempts are costly and can outweigh more positive factors and dent a players’ PPI – particularly when that player’s team fails to win the game.

Andy Carroll had many attempts on goal against Sunderland, of which only 1 found their target. His missed attempts appear to be the key factor behind his miserable day one PPI return. This was presumably compounded by the fact that Liverpool only mustered a draw against Sunderland.

Both Victor Moses and Fernando Torres also “wasted” opportunities in matches that their teams failed to win. While we’re unaware just how this is weighted against their total PPI, it appears that failing to hit the target with a goal attempt can seriously begin to dent your PPI total. Had Liverpool, Chelsea and Wigan won their matches, the PPI of these players could well have been boosted significantly.

With that in mind, Fantasy Managers may need to identify those players who gamble on firing in efforts from range – or are perhaps wasteful in front of goal.

The latter is a given – why would we invest in players who often found Row Z from six yards? Players like Clint Dempsey and Nani, however, are renowned for taking pot shots from range – it could be that, by doing so, they will damage their PPI score and, if they fail to find the net in a game, seriously hinder their chances of fetching FPL bonus points.

It could be that the algorithm is fed statistics that incorporate the nature of the missed goal attempt – it seems unlikely though and Carroll’s Gameweek one PPI appears to indicate the costly nature of wasted opportunities.

The Spread of Bonus points will be wider…
It didn’t take long to discover this. Immediately in Gameweek one we had a match at the Britannia which served up a spread of bonus across a group of players with Ashley Cole earning the maximum 3 points, while four players – John Terry, Jon Obi Mikel, Ryan Shawcross and Asmir Begovic, all collected 2 points. The Wigan vs Norwich game meanwhile saw seven players earn bonus – five earning 1 point each.

The spread was impossible to predict – created by a ties in overall PPI scores. Such an event will take some getting used to but appears to indicate that players that were previously overlooked by the PA representative (Mikel in particular) now have the opportunity to earn bonus recognition if they put in a statistical shift. A good thing? Probably.

With this in mind it’s inevitable that the overall total of bonus points dished out this season will increase and will perhaps increase quite considerably. It’s unknown how often these ties will occur but, given the apparent spread of the PPI totals in some matches, it appears like we could see at least one or two matches per Gameweek featuring such a spread – particularly in drawn matches.

Out of Position Players Could be even more valuable…
We know from the definition available on the Premier League site that the EA SPORTS PPI uses position as a weighting factor in its algorithm when it comes to clean sheets. We don’t know how much of a factor it is and whether a player’s position also influences the weighting of performance statistics. Perhaps actions that are atypical for a player’s position – a goal for a defender, a tackle for a forward – may well earn a stronger PPI return. With this in mind, we can only speculate that, if a player is played out of position, their PPI will be skewed.

For example, Gabby Agbonlahor, according to the EA INDEX statistics, put in an unnatural number of dribbles on the Villa left flank at Fulham. As he is classified as a Forward, these dribbles may have earned him a heavier PPI value than if he’d have been classified as a midfielder. As a result of his PPI return of 16, he nudged ahead of Shay Given, touted as man of the match at the Cottage, to 1 bonus point. Could it have been Agbonlahor’s position classification that helped him achieve this? Like so many of the theories discussed, we will need more Gameweeks to pass before we can firm this up.

The Bonus will remain unpredictable…
While a portion of the Gameweek one bonus awards appeared to make sense, as usual there was a decent size slab that left us puzzled and perplexed. The lack of bonus for Wes Hoolahan despite scoring at Wigan, the aforementioned snub of Fernando Torres at Stoke, these examples immediately spring to mind.

While we had the impression that the use of the EA SPORTS PPI would make the Bonus awards more predictable – perhaps even transparent, it’s already clear that this won’t be the case. We will still be nervously awaiting their arrival, unsure of their destination and left querying several awards each Gameweek.

While this will be scandalous when it affects us personally, from a distance it at least maintains the post Gameweek discussion that have become almost part and parcel of the FPL for many seasons.

For the purity and transparency of the game it’s obviously not the progress we expected – for fuelling banter and opinion however, it means little has changed. The whims of the man in the stand have been replaced with the cold secret of an algorithm – a new, faceless scapegoat for our failing Gameweek points tallies.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Drip Doctor
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    14 years, 8 months ago

    Already have Given and Kompany. Who would you get, Distin, Collins, Warnock, Micha Richards?

    Richards is the obvious pick but i'd like to keep 1.0 in the bank. Richards would leave me with 0.5.

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    1. Timmy Cahill Rules
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      distin

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      1. FPL Daniel
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        Will Timmy rules this weekend?

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        1. Drip Doctor
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          No, Saha will 😀

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    2. Countttom
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      Bosingwa?

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      1. Drip Doctor
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        I've already got him.

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    3. Adam
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      Definitely Distin for me.

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  2. Adam
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    A) Silva + Rooney

    B) Nani + Aguero + 0.5M

    Thanks

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    1. Adam
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      apologies for the repost, refreshed by accident.

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      1. Burg
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        for now, rooney and silva i think.

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        1. Samwise the Brave
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          A)

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    2. Drip Doctor
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      Tough one. Probably A. Real tough though.

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      1. Adam
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        I just can't tell if Aguero is going to start and on a regular basis, given they have Dzecko, Tevez, Balotelli also.

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        1. hillbillypete
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          not sure he needs to start going off that cameo!

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  3. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
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    I bloody love the look of my team.. it hasn't changed in almost 18 hours which must be good!

    Given
    Baines/Bosingwa/Brown
    Lamps/Ramsey/Brunt/Sinclair
    Rooney/Suarez/Saha
    (Vorm/Moses/STaylor/Simpson)

    I'm happy enough to go in without city coverage for the next 4 GWs... 3 away trips in those 4 games will drive a big reduction in fantasy points scored, at both ends of the pitch... right??

    Also gambling on McLeish's tactics not getting the best out of Bent & N'Zobia... It's a nightmare for an attacking player in a McLeish team, they always seem to be very much defense first, everything else second.

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    1. jimnastics
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      Don't like Ramsey, Brunt or Brown... I'd definitely downgrade Baines and sort the rest out. Think Everton will be off to a slow start again.

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      1. Commander Makara
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        14 years, 8 months ago

        Keep Baines. He's a good gamble and diff.
        Ramsey is a no no. Unproven and too young
        Brunt is good though. Maybe not this week however!
        Everton have some good fixtures coming up.

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      2. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
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        Ramsey - has to be underpriced @ 6.5m surely? Fab + Nasri leaving promoted him to guaranteed starter in a team that will still finsih at least in the top 6, if not top 4.

        Brunt - proven FPL pedigree & started where he took off last year. Admittedly Fixs aren't great but can be easily swapped for another 6.0 [Barton/O'Hara/Jarvis/Walters/Formica etc]

        Brown - Looks nailed on as a starter. Sunderland will be tight enough at the back. 4.5M is cheap as chips.

        Everton - 3 home games in next 4... baines can easily be swapped for any other defender if he hasnt performed well in those 4 games. The way I look at it, (Everton's notoriously slow starts aside) if he doesnt perform in these first four games, he is less likely to do it afterwards & can be flogged.

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  4. disparate dan - a reasonabl…
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    why all the moses love?

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    1. Sir Jose Wenger returns
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      hes a prophet

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      1. Commander Makara
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        Cheap and FPL bandwagon
        Or try Hoolahan, Formica, Delph

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  5. Valar(Keith)
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    k.. this is NOT AN RMT.. just need help with 2 players.. have to show the rest of my team for the person helping to get the entire picture.. cant link a wildcard team now can it
    Given (Vorm)
    Kompany Senderos Brown (Enrique Simpson)
    CAHILL NZOGBIA Sessegnon Sinclair (Moses)
    Rooney Torres(c) Suarez
    0.5 in bank
    that's the way my team looks so far.. 0.5 in the bank to "upgrade" Torres to Aguero in 2 weeks if it all goes tits up..
    should i stick with the highlighted players or
    A)Get Silva for Cahill
    B)Swap Nzogbia for Yaya

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    1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
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      I'd say stay away from City players to be honest Keith... as per my post earlier, I think in four games time when we look back on city players their returns will have greatly diminished after 3 away games. They aren't going to go away to Bolton & Spurs & score 3 or 4 goals. Maybe 1 or 2 at most, and quite possibly zero. And also more likely to concede away from home.

      That's my take on it anyways. Might just be wishful thinking as a utd fan.

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      1. Valar(Keith)
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        that's my take exactly.. scary ignoring 2 class players (silva and aguero) who the whole world'll have though.. they're not just bandwagons.. and if tehy go crazy we'll be left back

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        1. Commander Makara
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          I think if we have any form of tactics in FPL then we have to bank on City having a few average weeks away at tough games. Otherwise we would never have a good season if we gambled like this.

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  6. Admiral Stark
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    Quite baffling to know that a good number of people still have Lee (at 6.0) despite him being sidelined for close to a whole season

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  7. Valar(Keith)
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    still not answered btw.. is tim cahill fit? confirmed starting tomorrow? any everton fans about?

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    1. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
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      He'd be a great pick if fit. I've went for Baines & Saha as my everton coverage though as I can't afford Timmay.

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      1. Sir Jose Wenger returns
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        you must expect everton to do amazing.... the only teams i have 2 from are chelsea and man u

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        1. Valar(Keith)
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          is tim cahill fit though??:(

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          1. FPL Daniel
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            From where this talk about Timmy unfit came? I never heard that he is not fit. I've read that he is enjoying his first full preseason after ages.

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            1. Valar(Keith)
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              he's not in the reports above in the pre season section.. either his been anonymous or injured i thought.. both bad

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    2. Connster
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      think its worth having 1 city player hanging arounf to be honest, d one with the most influence on a game to cover you, plus i think think they'll concede alot away from home... Mancini will keep it tight away games... - NO? i think so

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  8. Dartsfan501
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    14 years, 8 months ago

    Some advice on this team please guys

    Given,(Vorm)
    Cashley,Kompany,Jag,(De Laet,Simpson)
    Silva,(Brunt),Jarvis,Moses,Sinclar
    Rooney,Bent,Suarez

    Cheers

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    1. Hanso Lo
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      It's not bad...I do wonder if you're maybe a little too pricey at the back there...perhaps a downgrade of Cashley or Kompany to beef up the midfield...otherwise if you're happy I think it's ok for this week and possibly next - not sure about long term though. You can't have all the "better" options as most like to punt their own flavour on here...

      I must add that I don't like the keeper combo...but that's just me.

      Good luck!

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      1. Dartsfan501
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        Cheers mate

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  9. Timmy Cahill Rules
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    first of all

    silva or nasri

    then

    nani and silva /nasri

    or

    zog and lampard

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  10. Sausages
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    14 years, 8 months ago

    any one going vav de vart??? see nothing about him
    is it mad to spend so much on big players

    hillarro-ruddy

    a cole simpson kompany (gabbidon -de laet)

    v d v - silva - hoolhan- toote- (fergrson)

    suaraz rooney torres

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    1. Sir Jose Wenger returns
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      interesting spelling

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      1. Sausages
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        but it it a intresting team ?????

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    2. Tuchap - Lurker
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      VDV could be a big differential this week.
      Currently he is in my team.

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      1. Sausages
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        he was a star last year ,
        hope fully dont need any more than 2 subs as my subs are weak

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      2. Connster
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        +1 defo

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  11. Captain_Birdseye
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    Ok i have 1.5 in the bank and i don't know where to put it, what do you think?

    Given (Vorm)

    Enrique Bosingwa Jags Kompany (Simpson)

    Nani Moses N'zog Silva (Ferguson

    Rooney Aguero (Blake)

    Where do you reckon i should spend my surplus?? (And any other changes appreciated)

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    1. bring_on _the_fantasy
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      id keep it, looks a good team. Or maybe Aguero for Torres. Aguero hasnt been tested against a real prem'ship team yet and my not start

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      1. Captain_Birdseye
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        Yeah i keep flipping between them. Also, i don't like the look of 3 Man City players in the same team. N'zog is now playing for a very defensive manager though that's my only fear. But then, where else are the assists going to come from.

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    2. thegaffer82
      • 14 Years
      14 years, 8 months ago

      Upgrade Ferguson to Dyer -0.5
      Blake to AJ/DJ/Holt -1.0

      I'd also then play Dyer instead of Enrique this GW as he's at home against Wigan and looked lively against city

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  12. Beavis
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
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    1. Hilario, Warnock, Brunt (GW3), Bent

    OR

    2. Vorm, Cole, Sessegnon/Larsson, Odemwingie (GW3)

    Sorry for repost, but haven't got much of a response and I've switched between the 2 about 10 times in the past 2 hours.

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    1. Sir Jose Wenger returns
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      Its very confusing the way you posted it....

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      1. Beavis
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        How do you suggest I post it?

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        1. Hanso Lo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          I think 1...but watch the Hilario situation...it may only be for 2 weeks...

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        2. Sir Jose Wenger returns
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          Post your team up with the possible changes you might make

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          1. Beavis
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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            Vorm (Ruddy)

            Baines Brown A.Cole (Senderos) (Simpson)

            Sessegnon Silva Jarvis Sinclair Moses

            Rooney Torres (Odemwingie)

            and considering:

            Vorm -> Hilario
            Cole -> Warnock
            Sess -> Brunt
            Odem -> Bent

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  13. Hanso Lo
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    Rolling the dice...

    Given Foster
    Baines Warnock Brown S Taylor Olsson
    Cahill Yaya N'Zog Brunt Moses
    Torres Suarez Fletcher

    1.0 in the bank...

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    1. Sir Jose Wenger returns
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      you will roll a 5/6 for me

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      1. Hanso Lo
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        Is that good or bad?

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    2. @BigChrisso
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      Cahill and baines will determind your season

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      1. Hanso Lo
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        Oh don't worry...with all the planning in my head if they shine or fade I have options or alternatives...I'm crazy like that!

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    3. Freshy
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      Given/Begovic is a better rotation

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  14. Vote Joke
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    Sorry if this has already been posted, but on the FPL site, when I look at fixtures Man City has been changed to 'please stay up'. What the hell?

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  15. disparate dan - a reasonabl…
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    incomplete but feedback welcomed:

    given, vorm
    de laet, kompany, shawcross, enrique, alex
    sinclair, young, eagles, jarvis, tiote (probably benched every week)
    rooney, drogba, suarez

    bye for now

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    1. bring_on _the_fantasy
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      I doubt very much drogba will start, better off putting torres in! looked fairly good last week. To much up front, poor midfield.

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    2. Tuchap - Lurker
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      I know eagles scored well this week but their fixtures are horrific.

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    3. @BigChrisso
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      jarvis, tiote and eagles out.... hunt, fox and moses. 0.5 in the bank. get on it

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  16. Rough Paste 12
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    Apparently we're able to check out other players' teams (with new subs) in our mini leagues ... is this true? If so how?

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  17. Sir Jose Wenger returns
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    Any one fancy Graham with the two home fixtures coming up?

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    1. Link
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      Yep.

      Think he could do well in the Prem. Very busy player and capable finisher with either foot or head.

      Scored alot of goals in a very average Watford team last year.

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  18. Desange
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    baines and saha

    or

    jag and carrol

    help please?

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    1. Sausages
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      2

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  19. Kalouless
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    is it risky having no man city players.?

    should I do N.zog to Yaya?

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    1. Sir Jose Wenger returns
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      yup

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  20. Captain_Birdseye
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    I'm gonna swap N'Zog. But best midfielder for 9.0?? Bale? Cahill? Adam?

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    1. Sir Jose Wenger returns
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      For a while in the late 90s, Captain Birdseye became a much younger, rugged, dark-haired man with designer stubble and a miniature submarine, who indulged in far more action-packed adventures accompanied by his pet pelican named Pedro, the advertising agencies presumably believing that the older white-bearded man would no longer have the same appeal to children as he once did. This version played by Thomas Pescod did not last long however, and the old version soon returned, now played by Martyn Reid.

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      1. Captain_Birdseye
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        Well, I have got the deadly combination of youthfulness with a touch of rugged charm 😀

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          +1

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  21. Commander Makara
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    Maybe EA sports should sponsor the off-side rule?

    I think in this day and age (ala Government) this PPI code should be transparent and a website description issued so we can all work it out if we like?

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  22. Smudger’s Dirty Dozen
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    RMT please !
    Given (Al-Habsi)
    Baines, Kompany, Bosingwa (Simpson, Hughes)
    Sinclair, Jarvis, Z’Zogbia, Y.Toure (Moses)
    Holt, RVP, Torres (c)

    £2m in the bank to upgrade for GW4

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  23. DV8R
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    Is Bosingwa likely to be rotated or will he start all of the games in RB?

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    1. CFCTom
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      Most likely will start the games at RB.

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  24. alexaktepe
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    will saha start??

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  25. Valar(Keith)
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    i dont see cahill anywhere in everton's preseason.. is he even fit.. considering taking him out with the lack of news

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    1. Valar(Keith)
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      Cahill, 31, will be fit to play a part against Rangers, who were yesterday bought by Tony Fernandes

      found that one everton website.. worried about the "play a part"

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  26. CFCTom
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    Apparently, Aguero spat at Matt Taylor last time he was at the Reebok with Atletico, said I liked this guy before, not so much now if this is true.

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    1. Captain_Birdseye
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      He was only 19 at the time tbf.

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    2. IAmTheWalrus
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      still not a patch on the antics on suarez, and i like him!

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  27. IAmTheWalrus
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    jose enrique 5 million, yes?

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  28. Dago
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    I can drop Baines for a decent 4.5 defender, giving me 3.5 million to upgrade my midfield of
    Silva Sinclair Sessengnon Moses (Ferguson).
    Ok not the best midfield but there are no good mid priced midfielders from 6.5 million to 9.5 million apart from Nzogbia and possibly Cahill.

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    1. IAmTheWalrus
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      Why drop Baines?

      who are you eyein up Simpson, Da Laet?

      I realise youre trying to keep messages short and to the point but give me all the info here 😉

      Cahills a good shout but why not just keep Baines, hes as good for the team and a defender!

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      1. Dago
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        my subs are awful Vorm DeLaet Simpson Ferguson.

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        1. Smudger’s Dirty Dozen
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          De Laet and Simpson will pick up enough points for their price...

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  29. samcro
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    Final decisions...

    Brown or Senderos?

    O'Hara or Jarvis?

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    1. IAmTheWalrus
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      Brown

      O Hara

      both very tough tho!!

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  30. @BigChrisso
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    Who is going for Torres captain this weekend? I am, hope it bloody works!

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    1. IAmTheWalrus
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      Yes sir!

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