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19 August 2011 1262 comments
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Nothing changes. One Gameweek down and a section of us are already berating the Fantasy Premier League bonus points, questioning their award – venting frustration that the shining performances of our own players have been ignored.

We had such high hopes; the inclusion of the EA SPORTS Player Performance Index as the system that powered the bonus awards was expected to offer clarity – to reward those players who obviously stood out over 90 minutes. However, perhaps that’s an unrealistic goal; perhaps there always be a section of us destined for despair when the bonus is dished out.

From the evidence of Gameweek one, it’s clear that our love/hate relationship with the FPL bonus could very well continue – the Saturday night bafflement transferred to Monday morning, when this season’s statistically powered points arrive. Time will tell.

Having contributed the first Gameweek review at the Fantasy Premier League site, we got a glimpse as some of the statistics that contributed to the EA SPORTS PPI Gameweek totals. That brief dalliance and crucially, from the PPI totals already poured into the game from Gameweek One, a number of theories on the factors that will influence this season’s bonus point distribution have been developed further and a few more questions raised.

Hitting the Target is Crucial…
There were several PPI point totals that caused concern – in particular Fernando Torres earning 0 for his display at Stoke, Victor Moses also fetching 0 for his showing against Wigan and Andy Carroll’s -10 picked up in the 1-1 with Sunderland.

These players appear to have a couple of key factors in common and it’s perhaps the Carroll PPI which offers the most obvious guide. It appears that off target goal attempts are costly and can outweigh more positive factors and dent a players’ PPI – particularly when that player’s team fails to win the game.

Andy Carroll had many attempts on goal against Sunderland, of which only 1 found their target. His missed attempts appear to be the key factor behind his miserable day one PPI return. This was presumably compounded by the fact that Liverpool only mustered a draw against Sunderland.

Both Victor Moses and Fernando Torres also “wasted” opportunities in matches that their teams failed to win. While we’re unaware just how this is weighted against their total PPI, it appears that failing to hit the target with a goal attempt can seriously begin to dent your PPI total. Had Liverpool, Chelsea and Wigan won their matches, the PPI of these players could well have been boosted significantly.

With that in mind, Fantasy Managers may need to identify those players who gamble on firing in efforts from range – or are perhaps wasteful in front of goal.

The latter is a given – why would we invest in players who often found Row Z from six yards? Players like Clint Dempsey and Nani, however, are renowned for taking pot shots from range – it could be that, by doing so, they will damage their PPI score and, if they fail to find the net in a game, seriously hinder their chances of fetching FPL bonus points.

It could be that the algorithm is fed statistics that incorporate the nature of the missed goal attempt – it seems unlikely though and Carroll’s Gameweek one PPI appears to indicate the costly nature of wasted opportunities.

The Spread of Bonus points will be wider…
It didn’t take long to discover this. Immediately in Gameweek one we had a match at the Britannia which served up a spread of bonus across a group of players with Ashley Cole earning the maximum 3 points, while four players – John Terry, Jon Obi Mikel, Ryan Shawcross and Asmir Begovic, all collected 2 points. The Wigan vs Norwich game meanwhile saw seven players earn bonus – five earning 1 point each.

The spread was impossible to predict – created by a ties in overall PPI scores. Such an event will take some getting used to but appears to indicate that players that were previously overlooked by the PA representative (Mikel in particular) now have the opportunity to earn bonus recognition if they put in a statistical shift. A good thing? Probably.

With this in mind it’s inevitable that the overall total of bonus points dished out this season will increase and will perhaps increase quite considerably. It’s unknown how often these ties will occur but, given the apparent spread of the PPI totals in some matches, it appears like we could see at least one or two matches per Gameweek featuring such a spread – particularly in drawn matches.

Out of Position Players Could be even more valuable…
We know from the definition available on the Premier League site that the EA SPORTS PPI uses position as a weighting factor in its algorithm when it comes to clean sheets. We don’t know how much of a factor it is and whether a player’s position also influences the weighting of performance statistics. Perhaps actions that are atypical for a player’s position – a goal for a defender, a tackle for a forward – may well earn a stronger PPI return. With this in mind, we can only speculate that, if a player is played out of position, their PPI will be skewed.

For example, Gabby Agbonlahor, according to the EA INDEX statistics, put in an unnatural number of dribbles on the Villa left flank at Fulham. As he is classified as a Forward, these dribbles may have earned him a heavier PPI value than if he’d have been classified as a midfielder. As a result of his PPI return of 16, he nudged ahead of Shay Given, touted as man of the match at the Cottage, to 1 bonus point. Could it have been Agbonlahor’s position classification that helped him achieve this? Like so many of the theories discussed, we will need more Gameweeks to pass before we can firm this up.

The Bonus will remain unpredictable…
While a portion of the Gameweek one bonus awards appeared to make sense, as usual there was a decent size slab that left us puzzled and perplexed. The lack of bonus for Wes Hoolahan despite scoring at Wigan, the aforementioned snub of Fernando Torres at Stoke, these examples immediately spring to mind.

While we had the impression that the use of the EA SPORTS PPI would make the Bonus awards more predictable – perhaps even transparent, it’s already clear that this won’t be the case. We will still be nervously awaiting their arrival, unsure of their destination and left querying several awards each Gameweek.

While this will be scandalous when it affects us personally, from a distance it at least maintains the post Gameweek discussion that have become almost part and parcel of the FPL for many seasons.

For the purity and transparency of the game it’s obviously not the progress we expected – for fuelling banter and opinion however, it means little has changed. The whims of the man in the stand have been replaced with the cold secret of an algorithm – a new, faceless scapegoat for our failing Gameweek points tallies.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Timmy Cahill Rules
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    any value in having hangleand as one of my 3 starting defenders and senderos as 5th choice defender for me , then if brede is out senderos can slot in and is cheap

    ?

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    1. @ImpressiveTackl
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      No. Don't double up on Fulham defence, what will you do when Fulham have a bad game?

      Bad idea.

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    2. kennethrhcp
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      i left an opinion on your post on the last page, have a look & see what you think

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  2. SMOOTH
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    double up on chelsea defence. ?

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  3. Hybrid.power
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    Brown or Bardsley?

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    1. Ceefax Page 302
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      brown

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      1. Hybrid.power
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        Cheers.

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        1. Soop
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          I have Bardsley.

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  4. frogville
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    I'm in a bit of a pickle as to who to pick - Torres or Aguerro? Young or Silva?

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    1. Davido989
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      torres + silva

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  5. Ceefax Page 302
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    yaya or larsson

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    1. Nibbsy
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      Seriously?

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  6. unoaime
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    Given, Begovich
    Kompany, Enrique, A.Cole, Simpson, Wilkinson
    Yaya Toure, Taarabt, Moses, Sessegnon, Dyer
    Bent, Torres, Rooney

    What do you think?

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    1. 7923dos
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      weak midfield

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      1. Herewegoagain
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        Is Bent a decent option. Me dont think so. McLeish going to hamper his scoring potential this season I reckon

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        1. unoaime
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          Why would McLeish hamper his scoring?

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    2. Nibbsy
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      You're going to have to play Moses or Dyer every week, unless you go 4 at the back. Have you looked at their rotation?

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      1. unoaime
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        I doubt i'll play Dyer at all tbh with you. I fancy Moses to be able to get points wherever he goes.

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        1. Nibbsy
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          He didn't at home to Norwich in GW1?

          If he does then he'll be an absolute bargain at 5.0, not convinced myself though.

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          1. unoaime
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            He was threatening throughout though. I'm thinking it's worth downgrading one of my keepers and Enrique to Brown.

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            1. Nibbsy
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              Yep, he did look good but I wouldn't want to have to play him every week.

              Could be worth finding that extra 1.0 and upgrading to a 6.0 for the time being.

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  7. passthebiscuits
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    RMT please chaps

    Given

    Cashley Collins Richards Baines
    Silva Muamba Moses
    Aguero Torres(c) Suarrez(vc)

    Subs ferg,dyer,simpson
    have .5 left over thinking of Bent for Suarez???

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    1. unoaime
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      I got Bent, better fixtures.

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  8. Nannerz_17
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    Struggling here.

    Aguero and N'Zogbia?

    OR

    Suarez and Silva?

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    1. Davido989
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      suarez and nzogbia

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  9. Valar(Keith)
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    not much talk about him here but is anyone going for brunt with their wildcard team and benching him this week? fantastic fixtures next week onwards till gw 8.. or is it a secret?

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    1. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
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      yep

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      1. Herewegoagain
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        He was good against United. Not planned ot but might now thinking about it.

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    2. Nibbsy
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      Yep, rotating with Jarvis.

      You also mentioned a few pages back about Enrique in for Baines in a few weeks - like that a lot, thanks.

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      1. Valar(Keith)
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        :).. i seem to be blurtin out a lot of accidental help

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    3. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
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      considering ollson too as he was scoring quite regularly before his injury last season

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    4. Ivanovic
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      shh... dont tell anyone, its a secret! 😉

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  10. Royaler
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    RMT please

    Given (Ruddy)

    Enrique Hughes Brown Shawcross Simpson

    Ya Ya Cahill Barton Sessegnon Hoolahan

    Suarez Rooney Torres

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  11. doobie doo
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    Chelsea press conference today?

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    1. Demí
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      Nope, it was yesterday

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  12. Gvn
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    Opinion pls? Can't make up my mind to go with (A) or (B)

    A)
    Given (Vorm)
    Kompany Baines Bosingwa (De Laet)(Simpson)
    Walters N Dyer Silva Young (Moses)
    Torres Saha Suarez

    or

    B)
    Given (Vorm)
    Kompany Baines Bosingwa (De Laet)(Simpson)
    Walters N Dyer Yaya N'Zog (Moses)
    Torres Rooney Suarez

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    1. dierstraights
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      so

      silva, young, saha
      Vs
      Yaya, Nzog, rooney

      B for me because of rooney

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      1. SMOOTH
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        A

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      2. Gvn
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        Thanks for the reply. Is walters a good OOP punt?

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        1. Oink Heart
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          A every day of the week - Saha will come good!

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  13. drunken_mess
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    think i got a good enough team, only need one midfield and ive got 7.5 to spend, HEEELLP!!!

    Given (vorm)
    bosingwa, richards, baines, (de laet, simpson)
    Yaya toure, moses, nzogbia, ............ (ferguson)
    Aguero, torres, suarez

    cheers

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    1. tommys
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      sessengon

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      1. drunken_mess
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        yep, good option, thanks

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        1. tommys
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          young or rooney??

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          1. drunken_mess
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            rooney

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  14. Hic Sunt Dracones
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    Anyone know where I could get a list of players' total points for last season?

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  15. SMOOTH
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    pick 1 please

    A. Given
    Bosingwa Kompany Brown

    B. Hilario
    Bosingwa Kompany Warnock.

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    1. Frazek
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      I would say B, but it rather depends on other factors. For example, if B means benching Given, so if Hilarious doesn't get the nod (which would shock me) Given slides in.

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  16. Johnny Unitas
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    Too busy on here today, adieu to you all, and good luck this weekend, will check in at 11 my time tonight for some slow posts!

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  17. Soop
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    Ah, a page of questions without answers.

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    1. halnone
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      haha this place is going so fat.

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      1. disparate dan - a reasonabl…
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        it's the lampard of forums

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    2. disparate dan - a reasonabl…
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      how's things with your handheld console soop?

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  18. Red-United
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    I have Baines in my team but I'm having second thoughts about him now that Arteta is back and looking sharp. I guess I will keep him in for the double gameweek which is hopefully soon and then ship him out...unless Arteta gets injured.

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    1. dierstraights
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      i dont think dbl gw will be soon, somebody on here went through the fixture calender and there were no spare slots for ages

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      1. disparate dan - a reasonabl…
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        excuse me rovers fan... is formica a long/medium term prospect?

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  19. _____JR_____
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    Opinions

    Hilario

    Cashley/Smalling/Robinson (Bolton)

    Young/Petrov/Sessegnon/Moses

    Suarez/Torres/Rooney

    Given/Jose Enrique/Simpson/Surman

    Wat ye think?

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  20. Ibracadabra
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    Just finished making my team for Gameweeks 2 and 3 only with the plan to wildcard during the international break before GW 4 and take advantage of City / Ars fixtures, established starting 11s, transfer window closed, etc. Anyone else as bold/reckless as me and planning for just gw 2 and 3 with tons of CHE and AVL coverage and spurning long term planning?

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    1. Ibracadabra
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      Would give me 9/11 playing at home this week... so tempting...

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      1. Frazek
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        Nice tip on Carroll to score in Gooner 1-1 tomorrow. My thoughts exactly, although I'm steering clear Carroll for now.

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    2. MA
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      Welcome 🙂 love the site.

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    3. Waldaz
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      Me!

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  21. Fpl Old Guard
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    Manu supporters are really optimistic about the Tottenham match, especially because Spurs have to make sure the ball is 6 ft over the line to count as a goal.

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    1. Gvn
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      Spurs always struggle or get the funny odd decisions against them when playing Man U.

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      1. CFCTom
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        Every team does, Manure bribe officials and Fergie bullies and threatens them.

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  22. Valar(Keith)
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    Anyone else worried that many of us on here not going for aguero cause he's too mainstream etc.. even teh FFS team has placed him high on their watchlist.. above rooney/torres etc
    i know he has 2 away games, tevez is going to be introduced again, city wont be as attacking as they were etc.. but he actually did look class and his price is gonna sky rocked saturday night..
    I've ignored him to,, but i gotta say i am beyond worried

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    1. disparate dan - a reasonabl…
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      his price will go up 0.1, not sky rocket!

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    2. Nibbsy
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      On the other hand, with 50% ownership if he doesn't score his price may well drop.

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      1. Valar(Keith)
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        with 0.0 in teh bank a 0.1 rise is a 4 point hit:(

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  23. Jeff Wilson
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    14 years, 8 months ago

    1.woodgate + 4.5midfielder e.g. derry,tiote,K.dyer

    or

    2.Shawcross/Hughes/another 5miller + S.ferguson
    Reply

    :D?

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    1. vova
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      both terrible options

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    2. halnone
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      2 looks slightly better but I don't like either that much tbh.

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      1. Jeff Wilson
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        cant win em all, gona go with 2 and hope my 3rd substitute never comes into play i think!

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  24. Bojaninho
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    ok ok an rmt, promise only 1

    given

    cole,lescott,brown

    silva,cahill,moses/dyer,nzogs

    torres,rooney,holt

    ruddy, moses/dyer,da leat,simpson

    .5 in the bank

    thoughts?

    could do bent/young instead of rooney/nzogs..

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    1. Frazek
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      You could, although much of a muchness in my mind. Decent looking team to me, but I would say that with 8 of the same players.

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  25. zoltar74
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    First season of FPL, gr8 site, love the forums.
    Wld kindly appreciate a RMT
    Hilario (Given)
    Kompany,Baines,Senderos(Gabbidon,Simpson)
    Sessegnon,Mikel,Y.Toure,N'Zogbia(Moses)
    Bent,Torres(c),Suarez
    1.5m in the kitty

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    1. Cannon
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      Upgrade Mikel. He'll play but wont get many points along the way.

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      1. Cannon
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        Jury still out on N'zogbia for me. Good options going forward though. Looks good.

        I'd change Mikel to Sinclair, and Senderos to Warnock.

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        1. zoltar74
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          I has Sinclair, just looking for a Chelsea cheapi due to fixture. I appreciate your insight and advuce Cannon

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    2. The Bandit
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      Use your cash to upgrade Mikel, fantasy deadwood. Otherwise v good.

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    3. Red-United
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      Moses over Mikel

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      1. disparate dan - a reasonabl…
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        why is moss being lauded so much? have i missed something??

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        1. CFCTom
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          Nope, avoid Moses and Mikel.

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  26. Ceefax Page 302
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    A) Woodgate & Silva

    OR

    B) Huth & YaYa

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  27. THE ORACLE
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    not much love for osman (eve) these days. hes a good player and has more of a creative role with arteta on the left and cahill playing behind the strikers

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  28. @ImpressiveTackl
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    If Doosra is about he might enjoy this but currently I am toying with...

    Danny Murphy. Not in the kinky way, just in my team :P.

    He's only 6m, represents a little Fulham cover in midfield, had the highed PPI of any Fulham mid last week and is also on penalties. Seems a decent shout to me?

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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        Feck! My 😆 suffered capital punishment! 😉

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      2. @ImpressiveTackl
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        😆 very good but honestly what do you think of him as a pick?

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        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          Well ... he's fit, has the ability to score, rarely wastes the ball that I've seen, and may well pick up bonii ... just give me 5 ...

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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            Cancel the bonii - he's down on Metro, and doesn't get a mention on the EA Top 100. Hmmm - the jury's still out on that one, I T. Sorry.

            What we need is a Jarvis in an away team that is in form, and not called Bolton ...

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      Actually - I agree with you ... in a crucial way, it is actually important that he is away! Oh dear ... I might have to Klaxon myself! 😉

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    2. Fratboy
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      I had him last week, so I agree about his potential, but don't have the patience for him anymore haha

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  29. disparate dan - a reasonabl…
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    hunt over jarvis? and why?

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      No. Jarvis will be a bonus point magnet, imo.

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      1. J0E
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        Basically Wolves are teaming with good value mids in Ohara, Jarvis and Hunt. While Ohara and Hunt have the ability to score an extraordinary goal, Jarvis has the edge for me due to his crossing and assist potential.

        I really don't think any are a bad pick though, so maybe flip a three sided coin...(note: actual product may not exist)

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        1. J0E
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          love the new name by the way disparate dan....tis a great quote.

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          1. disparate dan - a reasonabl…
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            my name now sounds like a harry potter book

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            1. J0E
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              lol.

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      2. Frazek
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        +1. Breakout season for Jarvis m'thinks, especially if Wolves play anywhere near the way they did last week - much improved.

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  30. halnone
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    rooney will do fucl all against spurs.

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    1. @ImpressiveTackl
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      Biased much?

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