[sbu_large_image] Dugout Discussion
30 April 2012 1845 comments
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Big. Huge. Game. It’s here – the Manchester derby, the title decider already billed as the biggest clash in the twenty year history of the Premier League. How’s that for hype? Can tonight’s Etihad clash really measure up? We have our Dugout Discussion chatroom open to catch all the excitement, or lack of, as it unfolds.

The team news perhaps already tells a tale. City, content with their recent outstanding form, go with an unchanged lineup which means no place for Micah Richards who returns to the bench alongside Mario Balotelli, straining at the leash.

Sir Alex Ferguson, perhaps going all out to avoid defeat, shuffles the pack with Antonio Valencia and Danny Welbeck benched for the experience of Ryan Giggs and the industry of Ji-Sung Park. Phil Jones replaces the loose cannon that is Rafael at right-back, while Chris Smalling is called in to partner Rio Ferdinand. Those reports on Jonny Evans’ injury seemingly checking out, then, as United’s rock in recent weeks is kept sidelined.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. 4vets
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    Time for bed. All the best to you all.

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    1. unoaime
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      Take it easy, good night.

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
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      night Vets

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    3. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      😥

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  2. Hazard267
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    Worst desisionsnthis week putting jags in instead of walked or terry taking Rvp out for jelavic instead of aguero and taking McLean out for vdv 🙁

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      Could we have that in English, now? 😉

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    2. Pilko's Pump Pants
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      benching Kompany for Kelly just because Fulham had 2 games this week...

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    1. सनकी
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      this is really nice, thanks.

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  3. JK - Cønt ⭐
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    right I'm off folks, gotta be up at 5.30. Time to call it a (very bad) night

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    1. unoaime
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      Peace.

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    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      +42. Don't let the bedbugs bite!

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  4. Henry Hill
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    Is it worth a hit to sell Cisse for Rooney which will be funded by selling Dempsey or Bale to Maloney? United will probably hammer Swansea after tonight so want him back.

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    1. Pilko's Pump Pants
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      wait and see how Cisse fares against Chelsea before you decide to get rid... he was actually pretty good against Wigan... just a bit unlucky...

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    2. Bartowski
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      Maybe if it was Moses but presumably you cant afford

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  5. Smurf
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    When was the title last won on goal difference?

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    1. Bartowski
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      Never

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      1. Bartowski
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        Premier League that is

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    2. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      Aresnal in '89?

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    3. unoaime
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      88/89

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      1. unoaime
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        Actually, didn't that go down to goals scored?

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        1. Bartowski
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          Yep

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    4. Pilko's Pump Pants
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      Arsenal beat Liverpool in 89 on goals scored on the final day of the season, away at Anfield...

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      1. Spike ⚽️
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        Rocky Rocastle !!!

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        1. Rebellion
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          Michael Thomas??!

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  6. Hazard267
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    Gonna take some mega punts for the last two got nothing to lose any ideas guys gonna captain as well

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      Cisse(c)

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      1. Pilko's Pump Pants
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        *ouch*

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    2. Chris_White
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      37: AOC, Gerbil & Welbeck

      38: Torres, Maloney & Moses

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  7. little_wizard123
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    Overall rank updated.

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    1. joinho
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      I've creeped back into top 30k 🙂

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      1. little_wizard123
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        I've gone ahead of where I was at the start of the GW, a miracle given I have no Chelsea players (think this is only because I took no hits!).

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  8. Hay Number 2
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    Football hurts 🙁

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    1. little_wizard123
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      Hey, you're a Utd fan so imagine supporting anybody else since the Prem began.

      You're also from Wales, so imagine being an English supporter 😉

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      1. Hay Number 2
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        Ha ha dude, that has cheered me up 😉

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  9. The Bandit
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    Rankings downdraded! Three main rivals had Roon and Nasri, Roon and Val and just Roon so very pleased with that... 🙂

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  10. michaelington
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    Why are we still deciding titles on goal difference. Needs to be head to head first then goal difference.

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    1. unoaime
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      Bollocks. GD is achieved throughout the season, head to head is 2 games.

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      1. michaelington
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        But surely if you beat the team that your level on points with home and away, you are the better team?

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        1. unoaime
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          Nope. The better team is the one that has been more convincingly beating the other teams in the league.

          Wigan could do a double over Arsenal but it doesn't mean they are better.

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        2. The Bandit
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          That would mean the other team had a better record against other teams, so no...

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    2. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      Why change it?

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    3. The Bandit
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      City fan? No way, this is about the long haul, maybe ok in a four team Euro group but not a season long league...

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    4. Bartowski
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      Seems fair, its what you do in the league overall that wins a title

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    5. little_wizard123
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      I disagree. It's a league. You'd also then have to place other teams joint on points on head-to-head. Furthermore, it gives a more interesting finish; City could be winning comfortably so Utd would have no incentive to try and win by a huge margin. GD over H2H is more likely to make the league more interesting on the final day too - imagine a relegation battle that goes on H2H. That'd be awful.

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    6. Smurf
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      City will win either way. Loosing to Newcastle is the only way Itd have a chance IMO.

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      1. little_wizard123
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        People are forgetting that a draw would probably give Utd the title too!

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      2. 1966 was a great year for E…
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        Haway tha Toon!

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    7. EL TANO
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      very true
      goal diff is so bogus when comparing two teams over a season given the ridiculous variance in other teams form and injuries/bans etc for particular games
      Much fairer and more accurate reflection of two teams if you look at their head to head encounters
      PS; I'm a Gooner so definately NOT looking for a way to rationalize a ManU title

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      1. little_wizard123
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        I'd argue that the variance in two games is much greater than over the season.

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        1. EL TANO
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          What about Mick Mcarthy fielding a reserve squad against ManU last year and effectively conceding the points and goals?
          Why involve the accumulation of teams encounters with other teams when the comparison should be between the two teams in question
          Plus, the games that those two teams play against each other would take on cup final proportions and be infinately more exciting and relevant than boring statistics
          Winner takes all over gameweek 3 drubbing of some other team months ago i reckon

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      2. Goonther
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        my fellow gooner, I have to use your exact argument back at you. This varient of form vs fixtures is exactly why goal difference should be used. Due to interchanges in team/player form...the more comprehensive benchmark for the overall ability and success of an entire season is GD...not head-to-head...b/c one encompasses every match played while the other only singles out 2 meetings with one team.

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        1. EL TANO
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          sure, but if it's that close by the time the season is closing, then goal difference becomes a factor anyway...but just between those two teams
          It also involves other factors like intestinal fortitude and team spirit etc. that are not as easily guaged by the bean-counter technique

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      3. michaelington
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        Surprised by the number of people who disagree. Im not a City fan, im a neutral, I support Bradford City. I understand your points but still it should matter how you beat other teams. At the end of the day if you beat the team your level with you are better. Its like saying Swansea beat Man city, Man City beat Utd so that means Swansea are better than Utd.

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        1. michaelington
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          *shouldnt matter how you beat other teams

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        2. unoaime
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          No because Swansea did a lot worse against the other teams in the league....

          It's a 38 game league, not a grouped tourney or round of knockouts.

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          1. Goonther
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            he is agreeing with you he just mistyped

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          2. unoaime
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            A couple years back Man United won the league whilst being rubbish against the rest of the top 4 but they beat the teams they should be beating with great consistancy whilst others faltered.

            Come on, you know it makes sense.

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            1. EL TANO
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              We're all talking about EQUAL points at the end,
              That's the only reason any of this would come about so if Utd are assy luck merchants with refs in their pocket and they score more points then none of it matters, but if they are on equal points then their record against their equal rival seems way more just and in the spirit of the 90mins of football (or180mins) that those teams played against each other
              That way, folklore is also created around say..ManU vs. City on THAT day at THAT time rather than "Gee.. I'm glad wigan didn't show up when we thrashed them 6-0...when was that again?"

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              1. Goonther
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                i do agree that it would make cup-like atmosphere...i like that

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          3. EL TANO
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            but swansea are not on the same points as utd and city so why bother invoking the third party
            it has no relevance

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    8. Smarty Pants
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      Golden match would be lovely 😉

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    9. Ramboros
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      I agree. It would also give each game between equal sides a bit more sting.

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  11. crystalpalaceRus
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    So is craig gordon gonna continue his little spell or back to the mig at weekend?

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    1. Chris_White
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      Who knows, he might even get Westwood the nod

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      1. Chris_White
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        give*

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      2. crystalpalaceRus
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        Its silly tho, Migs is class, def should be number 1

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        1. Chris_White
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          Yeah but MON is just giving people gametime now, nada to play for

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  12. Bartowski
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    City will draw against Newcastle and then Man U will do the same at Sunderland the week after

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    1. oomzee
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      who will win the euros

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  13. TheSteady ¤ Wines th…
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    The players that I want to United in the summer!

    Cavani
    Modric
    Jordi Alba

    Thank you Summer Santa! 🙂

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    1. little_wizard123
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      Modric would be a waste of money, but could get him cheap if Spurs don't make the top 4.

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      1. little_wizard123
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        By cheap, I mean much less than the ridiculous £40m they wanted from Chelsea.

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    2. Pilko's Pump Pants
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      The players i want at Arsenal this summer!

      Maradona
      Cruyff
      Garrincha

      Thank you Hot-tub Time Machine!

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    3. Chris_White
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      Offloading Evra, then?

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      1. TheSteady ¤ Wines th…
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        Ja, ser ut til å ha mistet litt av kvaliteten sin.

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    4. 1966 was a great year for E…
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      Modric
      M'Vila or similar

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  14. Goonther
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    after bonuses my GW rank went from 30k to 70k 🙁 i had 12 baps as well

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    1. little_wizard123
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      No players today I suppose, not like anybody bar Kompany did anything though.

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      1. Goonther
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        yeah i traded Kompany in WC

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        1. little_wizard123
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          Look forward to an increase from now though 🙂 Plus remember loads of people created new teams and had given up overall so have gone for the top GW score, so 70k now is impressive.

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          1. Goonther
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            true! yeah 87pts with 10 to play....went from 28k to 15k

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            1. Goonther
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              79*

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    2. pjomara
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      That wasn't the bonuses alone that did that. Minutes before the bonuses mata got two extra assists.

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  15. halnone
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    hopefully Kompany and tevez pushed my rank up

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    1. little_wizard123
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      Already been updated.

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  16. Spike ⚽️
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    Watched the game tonight which didn't live up to its pre match hype but what a no frills no fuss Captain Vincent Kompany is !!

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  17. arcticjunkie1
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    15 from Walker and Pienaar, fantastic! with another game, 20 point haul from both? 😉

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    1. Hay Number 2
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      Why not 😉 and while we are at it can we give bale and jelavic a hat-trick each?

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      1. arcticjunkie1
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        I don't have them! so, no 😉

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        1. Hay Number 2
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          Harsh but fair 😉

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  18. Hay Number 2
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    Anyone else stick the (c) on Bale for the GW?

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    1. Spike ⚽️
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      Yeah my hd to hd opponent and I capt VDV 🙂

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    2. Goonther
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      VDV

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    3. Pilko's Pump Pants
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      My nearest rival... now praying for a total blank against Bolton to complete an absolute rout this week...

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    4. Hay Number 2
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      Dam you VDV Captainers you are wrecking my gw 😉

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  19. crystalpalaceRus
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    My captain is Jelavic, anyone think he'll play and do well tomorrow/

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    1. Pilko's Pump Pants
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      Yes... and Yes... another brace is on the cards...

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      1. Hay Number 2
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        ^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^x2

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  20. Goonther
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    Mata 4 assists killed me

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    1. crystalpalaceRus
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      my main rival has him captain, i cried a little

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  21. halnone
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    rank is now 15,000

    pretty sure that's the highest rank I've ever had in fantasy

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    1. Goonther
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      im 15,975.......im coming for you! 🙂

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    2. Hay Number 2
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      Sweet homes, close in on top 10k 🙂

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    3. Spike ⚽️
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      You've improved each year you've taken part and this season you have excelled 🙂

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  22. Goonther
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    Podolski to arsenal! fantasy player ftw

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    1. Pilko's Pump Pants
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      As an Arsenal fan i think he could go either way tbh... but i'm hoping Wengers secret plan is to bring in another German to make Mario Goetze feel at home...

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      1. Goonther
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        great player with technique and deceptive speed...great shot...he'll do well playing off RVP. we need to offload mertesacker and djourou and get a real center back...kosceilni has been great and vermanator always solid...just needs to stay healthy...dont bring back bendtner eitehr

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    2. Hay Number 2
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      I wonder where he'll priced? 9-10 mill bracket?

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      1. ★A-O-Chamberlain★ COYG …
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        I'd say 9.5

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  23. pjomara
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    The league has never been decided on goal difference. In 88/89 it was decided on goals scored and in 52/53 it was decided on scoring average. Prior to 76/77 scoring average was used to decide between teams level on points. Scoring average is goals scored divided by goals against.

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    1. Hay Number 2
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      Nice cut and paste 😉

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      1. Hay Number 2
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        p.s. Highly informative, thank you sir!

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      2. pjomara
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        I researched that myself. Grrrrr!

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        1. Hay Number 2
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          Only kidding homes. Cheers 🙂

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  24. Hay Number 2
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    Anyone think I can break the 100pts for a gw this gw?

    (click on link) 🙂

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    1. Goonther
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      yes...if all goes to plan...you need bale and Jelly to have big games and Tottenham cleany

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      1. Hay Number 2
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        +1 and Cisse and Dempsey to explode.

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    2. Spike ⚽️
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      No because your Newcastle players will let you down imo 🙁

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      1. Hay Number 2
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        +1 Had them all season and got blinded in dgw fever. I have little hope in the due.

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        1. Hay Number 2
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          #Duo

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    3. Pilko's Pump Pants
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      i think you've got a decent shout at it... possibly beating the 100 mark by a fair way if things go for you...

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      1. Hay Number 2
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        I just hope Bale does something and VDV doesn't play 😉

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        1. Goonther
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          nonoono. VDV and Bale to assist eachother's goals! dont hurt me like that 🙁

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          1. Hay Number 2
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            Sorry....the deal is done, I have slipped arry a tenner. 😉

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  25. Hazard267
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    Not a good gwk for me gonna throw everything into the last two and go for punts go nothing to lose any ideas thinking maybe Moses/ moloney

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    1. Hay Number 2
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      Great differencials IMO. I fancy me a bit of Torres!

      I've doing:

      Cisse>>>>RVP
      Caulker>>>>Verm

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      1. Spike ⚽️
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        Verm's going up in value tonight Hay !!

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        1. Hay Number 2
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          Dam it.....gotta do it now!

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  26. Kurtd
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    Seen some nastiness in Manchester tonight. A couple of mouthy City fans getting battered by a gang of United fans. It's only a game people. Calm down!

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  27. ★A-O-Chamberlain★ COYG …
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    What do you guys reckon the answer to these are?

    A) AOC to start against Norwich?
    B) Nani to start against Swansea?

    Thanks 🙂

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    1. Hay Number 2
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      No x 2 I'm afraid.

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    2. Chris_White
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      I think, and hope, Wenger starts AOC ahead of Benayoun against Norwich. Nani and Young for the LW spot against Swansea...

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      1. Chris_White
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        Nani or Young*

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      2. Goonther
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        benayoun looked great last game alongside rosincky

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        1. Chris_White
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          forehead then...

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    3. Pilko's Pump Pants
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      *shakes magic 8 ball*

      A. 'ask again later'
      B. 'definitely'

      Disclaimer: the magic 8 ball can in no way be held responsible for you making bad transfer decisions...

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      1. ★A-O-Chamberlain★ COYG …
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        Im just asking for opinions..

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        1. Pilko's Pump Pants
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          then avoid both transfers and go with a wigan midfielder (Moses/Maloney) instead...

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  28. Hay Number 2
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    I have a feeling Torres will score in remainder of his games....who is with me?

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    1. Goonther
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      +1

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      1. Goonther
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        im worried for arsenal's 3rd place claim..arteta and walcott were huge blows...RVP needs to carry us home

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    2. Chris_White
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      I don't think he will score at Anfield, but if he starts against Blackburn it could easily turn into another hattrick...

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      1. Hay Number 2
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        I hope not, could be very damaging!

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    3. Pilko's Pump Pants
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      I'm hoping you're right... i put the armband on him in a moment of madness/inspiration 10 mins before the deadline this week...

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      1. Hay Number 2
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        Sir I tip my cap off to you. Let me know who you are captaining next gw 😉

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        1. Pilko's Pump Pants
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          14 years, 8 days ago

          Almost certainly RVP... 😉

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          1. Hay Number 2
            • 14 Years
            14 years, 8 days ago

            Cheers in advance brother pilko 😉

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            1. Pilko's Pump Pants
              • 14 Years
              14 years, 8 days ago

              You should know that i've also captained RVP in a few shite weeks... hehe

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              1. Hay Number 2
                • 14 Years
                14 years, 8 days ago

                I'll pretend I didn't hear that 😉

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        2. TheSteady ¤ Wines th…
          • 14 Years
          14 years, 8 days ago

          me too maybe? 😉

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          1. Hay Number 2
            • 14 Years
            14 years, 8 days ago

            For the second time, I tip my cap off. Another moment of brilliance 🙂

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