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16 June 2012 4170 comments
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Danny Welbeck’s sublime back-heel hands England victory and sends Sweden crashing out of Euro 2012. Andy Carroll and Theo Walcott also pick up the plaudits in the five-goal thriller while, in the storm-delayed earlier kick-off, France see off tournament co-hosts Ukraine 2-0, with Karim Benzema setting up both goals for Les Bleus:

France 2 Ukraine 0
Laurent Blanc made two changes from the side that drew against England for last night’s game, with Jeremy Menez and Gael Clichy replacing Florent Malouda and Patrice Evra respectively. The alteration up front allowed France to line up in a 4-2-3-1 formation, with Samir Nasri behind Karim Benzema and Menez on the right. Benzema provided the assists for both goals, with Menez notching the opener – the latter’s classification as a forward in the McDonald’s game may cause many Fantasy managers to overlook him, however, despite his 7.4 price tag. Benzema looks the forward of choice but Menez clearly offers a differential option if he can maintain his place in Blanc’s starting XI, with a mere 0.2% ownership.

Benzema has three shots and provided a trio of goalscoring chances, though Nasri and Franck Ribery were rather disappointing in the change of system. Both had just a shot apiece, though the Bayern man was the better creator, laying on four opportunities to find the net for his team mates. Alou Diarra’s role in the double pivot looks under threat after Yann M’Vila returned to action midway through the second half. The latter is a firm favourite of Blanc’s and, with Yohan Cabaye grabbing a goal and hitting the post, the Newcastle man’s starting role also looks assured.

The French now need just a point in their final game against Sweden to progress – indeed, as this handy guide indicates, the only way they can be eliminated is if Ukraine beat England and France lose to the Swedes by a margin that would make their goal difference inferior to that of Roy Hodgson’s side.

The tournament co-hosts fielded the same starting XI that defeated Sweden 2-1 in their opener on Monday evening. Once again, Yevhen Konoplyanka had more attempts than any team mate – after producing five shots against the Swedes, he fired three efforts last night, though has failed to muster a single attempt on target. Andriy Voronin was hauled off at half-time, allowing Marko Devic to line up alongside Andriy Shevchenko up front but Ukraine’s failure to find the net meant that France were one of only two sides – along with Spain – to return a clean sheet for their Fantasy owners in Matchday Two. Given that they now need to beat England to qualify, yesterday’s lack of goal power is a real worry for Oleg Blokhin and he may well consider ringing the changes for Tuesday’s crucial encounter.

England 3 Sweden 2
Roy Hodgson make just one change to the XI that started against France, with Andy Carroll coming in for Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. The move saw Ashley Young shift out left, with the Liverpool man partnering Danny Welbeck up top – both forwards grabbed a goal apiece in the 3-2 win and, with Wayne Rooney’s suspension now served, the England manager has a selection headache ahead of the final group game against Ukraine. Rooney will surely play and, with a mere 1% ownership, looks a strong differential captaincy choice for the showdown, leaving Carroll and Welbeck to likely battle it out for the other slot.

Theo Walcott’s goal and assist contribution from the bench also makes him one to consider and perhaps places question marks against James Milner’s place on the right flank. Coming in at just 7.9 in the McDonald’s game, the Arsenal man made a more than persuasive case for his first-team inclusion next time round. Steven Gerrard once again picked up the points – the Liverpool skipper has now returned an assist in back-to-back games after Carroll nodded home his cross for the opener.

Erik Hamren made three changes from the side that slumped to defeat against Ukraine in the opener. Johan Elmander started in the lone forward role last night, with Markus Rosenberg dropping to the bench, Jonas Olsson came in at centre-half, which allowed Andreas Granqvist to move to right-back and, in midfield, Anders Svensson was given a start in the centre, with Rasmus Elm moving to the left and Ola Toivonen dropping out.

Olof Mellberg’s goal and assist helped the 5.0 priced centre half to a 10 point haul, while Seb Larsson’s owners picked up a five point return after the Sunderland man provided an assist for Mellberg’s goal. Zlatan Ibrahimovic had six efforts against Hodgson’s side but failed to find the net last night as his side were stunned by a Walcott-inspired comeback. With 22.7% ownership and a game against France up next before he boards the flight home, the Milan man is the most susceptible of Hamren’s men to a price drop over the next day or so, bearing in mind that knockout stage wildcards are available once the final couple of Group A games kick off at 7.30pm tomorrow.

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  1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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    Stirling stuff, Sir Paulos! 🙂

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  2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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    Who is likely to replace Boateng at full back for Germany?

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    1. COMH
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      I think Schmelzer will play LB and Lahm will switch to RB.

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      1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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        Cheers

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  3. Jafooli
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    Any teams defo out yet?

    And which teams still need to put out their best team and are likely to win?

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    1. tw
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      ireland and sweden

      everyone more or less as no one has qualified yet!

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    2. Epic Fail
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      have you not been watching the football? 😯

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      1. Jafooli
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        Travelling across Africa, so only bits & pieces, hence my daft q's!!

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        1. Epic Fail
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          Nice one. I'd love to do some travelling.
          TW is right though. No one other than Ireland and Sweden can really mess about with their team.

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          1. Jafooli
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            Cheers Epic and TW....

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  4. Moose™
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    lindergaard and afellaay > malafeev and pilar.. wise enuf? any other idea?

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    1. tw
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      i'd say so

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      1. Jimbo123
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        +1

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      2. Moose™
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        lewa out torres in? wise? i wud get 6pt hit =.=

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      3. Moose™
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        how bout young n afellay out dzag n marchisio in? better? as keeper will be hard to get cleanies ?

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  5. Jake Donahue
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    Morning chaps,

    Think I have finalised my WC any comment please

    Cech / Kelava

    Lescott / Jodi Alba / Bonnuci / Maniatis / Strinic

    Pilar / Dzagoez / Pirlo / Nasri / Young

    RVP / Torres / Pavlyuchenco

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  6. COMH
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    Would you sell Ribery, Muller or Ronaldo with your FT?

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    1. heco87
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      Muller- too many other German players to split the points with

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      1. tw
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        +1

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      2. COMH
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        And who should I replace him with?

        Benzema
        Torres
        Lewandowski
        Cassano

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        1. tw
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          benzema or torres.

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        2. heco87
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          I'd get Torres I think

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  7. Mak_Gold
    14 years, 26 days ago

    A) Mandy or Kuba?

    B) If Kuba, then who to (C) for tonight - Kuba or Dzagoev?

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    1. tw
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      a) kuba
      b) dzagoev

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      1. Mak_Gold
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        Cheers. 😉

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      2. Moose™
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        who is kuba?

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        1. heco87
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          Blascyzkczksi

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  8. Jimbo123
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    Madness to go into gw3 with no group B (Germany/holland) cover?

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    1. tw
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      probably. only way id even consider that is if you had ronaldo but still might be madness

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    2. Epic Fail
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      Depends who you've got.

      I haven't got any.

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  9. jamsiep
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    Chalkias, Andersen;
    Jordi Alba, Perquis, Debuchy, K-Pap, Gebre Selassie;
    Iniesta, Ozil, Dzagoev, Shirokov, Pilar;
    Benzema, Ronaldo, Lewandowski

    Got just the standard 1 FT. Not overly keen on wasting points/transfers on getting rid of Chalkias and Perquis given the total lack of clean sheets so far in the tournament. Any suggestions on potential move(s)? Lewandowski to Cassano is tempting me, and then I also want rid of Ozil.

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    1. heco87
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      Ozil --> Pirlo is something I'm considering (see my team below), Looks pretty solid to me though so certainly wouldn't make 2 transfers either

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      1. jamsiep
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        Would probably rather have Marchisio than Pirlo to be honest. Not sure I could resist the temptation of using the extra money in the back that Ozil > Marchisio would give me though!

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        1. heco87
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          Haha true ... yeah I might ship Alonso and I suppose Marchisio is an option ...

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  10. Mind över Mata
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    How about Young > Kuba, CR7 > Gomez

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    1. tw
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      yes!

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      1. Mak_Gold
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        For a hit?

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      2. Mind över Mata
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        Thanks mate

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    2. Mind över Mata
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      for a hit yes

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    3. heco87
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      Don't think I'd be taking a hit to get rid of Ronaldo before playing against that Dutch defence.

      Just Young --> Kuba/Pirlo for me

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      1. Mak_Gold
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        +1

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  11. heco87
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    Ok so I've had a pretty amazing start to this game, now to consolidate. Was planning on doing Alonso --> Pirlo but can't afford it anymore.

    Chalkias, Andersen

    Maniatis, Debuchy, Kadlec, Lescott, Strinic

    Ozil, Pilar, Mandzukic, Dzagoev, Alonso

    Silva, Ronaldo, Benzema

    Maybe Kadlec out? Any thoughts more than welcome.

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    1. tw
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      alonso to kuba

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      1. heco87
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        Cheers, yeah makes sense given that Poland have everything to play for I suppose.

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  12. tw
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    anyone else?

    a) anderson, barzagli, nasri
    b) cech, maggio, marchisio
    c) sifakis,barzagli, pirlo
    d) anderson, maggio, pirlo

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    1. heco87
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      d)

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    2. COMH
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      d)

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    3. Lovzat
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      C

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    4. Tommy J
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      TW-you haven't processed the bids yet-it was supposed to be 07:00 hrs

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      1. tw
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        i'll get to it in 15 min i promise! trying to finish updating standings for uero 2012 then i'll process bids then update standings for friendly world cup

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        1. Tommy J
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          OK cheers-how much did you take on??

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          1. tw
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            what do u mean how much did i take on?

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            1. Tommy J
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              I mean't did you take on a lot of responsibilities for a lot of leagues and therefore means more work for you than anticipated(it's a common expression over here in UK)

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              1. tw
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                well there are 5 leagues plus the first XI division but the bigger thing is I'm on 'The Council' so I have to keep the website (http://uefaffs.weebly.com/) updated among other things

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              2. tw
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                which division are you in? i'll do that one first!

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                1. Tommy J
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                  UEFA Division 5 and UEFA XI 1st division

                  Cheers

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                  1. tw
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                    ok just finished division 5. the xi division will be last though :P. sorry

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                  2. tw
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                    that was supposed to be a : P

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                  3. Tommy J
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                    Thx

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  13. Lovzat
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    Morning all ! I'm stuck with Cesc what should I do ?
    Pick Kedira, Xabi Alonso, Raul meireles, Mandzy or Affelay ?
    Or take a hit and do Dzagoev/Torres (Ditch kerza)

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    1. heco87
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      I'd wait for the Russian team news and take the hit if Kerz isn't starting.

      If he does start, I'd be tempted by Cesc --> Pirlo if you don't already have him

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      1. COMH
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        Do you think Cesc wil be benched again?

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        1. heco87
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          I think it's 50/50 ... I think having an Italy offensive player could pay dividends if there's nothing better to use the free transfer on

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          1. COMH
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            Yeah it would be crazy not to have one against Ireland.

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            1. heco87
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              Yeah, my problem (above) is I don't know how to get one ....

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    2. tw
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      get one of pirlo, marchisio, kuba, dzagoev or nasri

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    3. Jimbo123
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      I'm doing the latter if Kerzakov doesn't start. If he does, then it's Sneijder in for Fab.......!?

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    4. Lovzat
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      I already got 2 of France, Italia , Poland, England..

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      1. Jimbo123
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        Dzag/Torres if kerza doesn't start. Sneijder for fab if he does

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  14. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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    No Chris Gayle today? Hmmm that explains why England are getting smashed in the market

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    1. Jimbo123
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      Poss no Bell and no KP.....I fancy us to get turned over!?

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      1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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        lol KP is definitely out. Word is Bell will start though

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  15. Jafooli
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    Ronaldo to Gomez makes sense correct? He will play?

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    1. Sean.
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      with germany all but through i can see klose having some gametime

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      1. Jafooli
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        Cheers Sean,,,,Rooney to start? Worth a punt?

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        1. Sean.
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          i'm going rvp for ronaldo, its a must win for the dutch
          with a whole nation on their backs,
          roy and england will be happy with a 1-0

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    2. IamIronMike
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      I'm on my WC and I'm bringing Ronnie in, Gomez doesn't interest me with Germany NOT needing a win just a draw, Portugal will surely go for the win to ensure they go through too?

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  16. jamsiep
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    Best forward for 11.0 or under?

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    1. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
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      Van Persie!

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    2. Pinoche
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      +1

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      1. jamsiep
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        +2

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        1. Sean.
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          i must admit i've a feeling holland are going to come good
          and smash portugal

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    3. Scroobius Mac
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      Benzema (who I know you have) - I'm going Rooney I think.

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      1. jamsiep
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        Worried about Rooney being too deep, and England not being free-scoring. RVP was my first thought.

        P.S. Finally! 😉

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        1. Scroobius Mac
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          A draw does it for Portugal though doesn't it? I thought they looked decent in the first game defending Chelsea style.

          And yes I know - it only took 8 picks.

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          1. jamsiep
            • 16 Years
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            Not if Denmark beat Germany. But yeah, Portugal's defence is usually solid.

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          2. IamIronMike
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            Surely Portugal aren't going to rely on the other result though? Imagine if the Danes got a late winner in the game as Portugal has played out a draw.

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    4. COMH
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      Ukraine can't defend so Rooney is a great shout.

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    5. Rooney

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    6. jamsiep
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      WHY HAS NO ONE SAID TORRES?!

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      1. si
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        Torres all the way for me.

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  17. COMH
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    Ribery or Cesc > Pirlo?

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    1. Wearethenorthbank
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      Has to be Cesc, not sure he'll play or not

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      1. si
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        He won't.

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  18. Lateriser 12
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    Mandzukic and Selassie/Jacobsen or Lescott and Pilar?

    Also if A, Selassie or Jacobsen?

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    1. COMH
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      Lescott + Pilar

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      1. Lateriser 12
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        Selassie or Jacobsen?

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        1. COMH
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          Selassie for sure.

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          1. Lateriser 12
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            Done both your changes.

            Thanks mate!

            Will Palvyuchenko start?

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            1. COMH
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              I think Pav is due a start but I reckon Kerzhakov will start with Pav coming on.

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  19. Mak_Gold
    14 years, 26 days ago

    Is Chalkias definitely out?

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  20. edm1234
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 26 days ago

    Buffon, Isaksson
    Lescott, Selassie, Ramos, Limbersky, Maniatis
    Nasri, Iniesta, Blaszczykowski, Motta, Obraniak
    Nani, CR7, Salpingidis

    So, my idea was either:

    a)CR7 for Rooney
    or
    b) Motta (plays more defensive than I thought) for Shirokov.

    No money in the bank, and don't want to use any points (it's no way worth it)

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  21. Wearethenorthbank
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    More likely out of Ronaldo or RVP to do something? (or Gomez/Klose, but too uncertain about who'll start)
    It's either that or Iniesta --> Schweiny. Would prefer to get rid of Cesc but already have 2 Italians and French.

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  22. Jimbo123
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    Is it just me, or is Ribery MASSIVELY overrated?

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    1. Wearethenorthbank
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      Yup, he rarely does much for the NT. Every French person basically says Nasri is the more creative/threatening

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      1. Jimbo123
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        He just seems to dribble straight into people, pretend to be injured and moan at everyone. Knob

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    2. si
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      I used to think this but he has impressed me this season. He is never brilliant though and remains over-rated, although I am not sure that many people rate him highly now. One thing is for sure, he would walk into the England team and probably every Prem team.

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      1. Jimbo123
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        Loses possession far too much for me.

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        1. si
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          Disagree. Ball retention is one of his stronger assets.

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  23. DementedFlamingo
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    Stick with CR7 or switch to RVP/Rooney?

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    1. Epic Fail
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      I'm switching.

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      1. DementedFlamingo
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        Who ya switching to Epic?

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        1. si
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          I would rather Torres or Benzema than any of these.

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        2. Epic Fail
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          I'm bringing in Rooney. hopefully he'll be fired up and ready to produce. RVP is a good shout though, it could go either way.

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          1. thetinkerman
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            I've already done CR7 > RVP. I can just see him going mental.

            Still gives me a chance to bring Torres in for the QF.

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  24. Mind över Mata
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    Any news about Chalkias?

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    1. tw
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      someone posted an article several hours ago saying that he wont play

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  25. Jafooli
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    All the final group games start at the same time. This site will be chaos.......good old FPL days......

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    1. Jafooli
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      my mistake, different days doh.....

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  26. Jafooli
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    Rooney to start or come on as a sub?

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    1. Wearethenorthbank
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      Start, probably up top slightly behind Welbeck

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    2. si
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      Definitely start. Definitely 2 points though.

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  27. COMH
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    HEC087 - You should definitely downgrade Kadlec to afford Alonso > Pirlo or just do a straight swap Ozil > Pirlo.

    Ozil hasn't been up to much so far and I don't think he is worth the 10m.

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    1. si
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      He has still played well though against tough oppostion and could score well against the Danes. Germany could run riot.

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    2. heco87
      • 15 Years
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      Cheers, yeah trying to work out if the 3 pts is worth it .... so many Germans who could be involved in a goal too, and maybe Denmark aren't too bad?

      I've never been so high in overall rank and don't want to blow points on transfers like I tend to do on FPL is my problem!

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  28. CABAYE4
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    Wan't to get in a Polish attacking player but not sure who to get rid of.

    Young/ Ozil to Kuba or

    Nani to Lewandowski?

    Cheers

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    1. heco87
      • 15 Years
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      I'd go Nani --> Lewan

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      1. CABAYE4
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        Yeah that's what I was leaning towards although Dutch defence looks like it will give Portugal chances. Then again Portugal might just play for the draw.

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  29. Valar(Keith)
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    Buffon Anderson
    Debuchy Berezutski Lescott Maniatis HUBNIK
    Iniesta Dzagoev Pilar Mandzukic Nasri
    Ronaldo ROBBEN CASSANO
    0.0 in bank
    How do i use my free transfer? the ones in capitals are non-starters(maybe).. do i just do
    Robben to Torres
    or any other suggestions?

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    1. heco87
      • 15 Years
      14 years, 26 days ago

      Robben --> Torres seems pretty solid to me.

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      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 16 Years
        14 years, 26 days ago

        thanks.. just pulled the trigger.. 0.1 too late though

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  30. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    14 years, 26 days ago

    So Mark & ENR fall at the first hurdle.........

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