[sbu_large_image] Moving Target
16 August 2012 2282 comments
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Manchester United shook the Premier League and Fantasy football world to its core last night with the confirmation they have agreed terms with Arsenal for the transfer of Robin Van Persie. With just two days to go before Saturday’s deadline, Fantasy managers have been handed a major dilemma as they weigh up the impact of the Dutchman’s departure from the Emirates and the possible knock-on effects for both sides in the season ahead:

Speaking on the transfer earlier today, Sire Alex Ferguson couldn’t hide his delight before going on to reveal that he expects to have the new boy available for United’s Gameweek 1 match at Everton:

It’s great to have a player of Van Persie’s qualities coming into the squad. He is on his way up from London, he will have a medical later this afternoon and we hope that goes according to plan. His agent is in talks with David [Gill]. Hopefully everything will be tied up by the end of the day. I am sure he will be available for Monday’s game

The Statistics

Van Persie’s career began at the age of 14 in the youth set-up of Dutch club SBV Excelsior, though he left for Feyenoord just a year later. Promoted to the first-team squad due to injuries to others, he made his debut in the 2001/02 campaign, providing two assists in 10 league matches, but Van Persie’s game time at the club was somewhat limited due to regular spats with then-manager Bert Van Marwijk. His final two campaigns produced 15 goals and seven assists from 51 appearances and, having refused to extend his contract, he was snapped up by Arsenal in May 2004.

Over his subsequent eight seasons at the Emirates, Van Persie has been plagued with injuries; indeed, only twice in his first six campaigns for Arsene Wenger’s side did he manage to notch more than 10 goals. Gradually shifted from a left winger to a more central role, he notched 48 times and provided 31 assists in 131 games between 2004-05 and 2009-10 but each of his first four campaigns were blighted by injury – toe, knee and metatarsal problems kept him sidelined for a significant amount of time.

Named Arsenal’s Player of the Year for his displays in 2008-09, the following season saw Van Persie installed as the lone frontman in a new 4-3-3 system after Emmanuel Adebayor’s departure to Man City but, having made a strong start to the campaign, he was sidelined for five months with an ankle problem soon after signing a new long-term contract. The Dutchman’s start to the 2010-11 campaign was quickly curtailed by another ankle injury in the opening month but, after returning to goalscoring ways in January 2011, Van Persie proceeded to demonstrate the sensational form that made him the most formidable Fantasy player around in the past season-and-a-half, with 48 goals and 21 assists from his last 63 matches for the London outfit. The 29-year-old has also featured 68 times for his national side and found the net on 28 occasions.

The Prospects

There are two schools of thought on the United situation and at the moment the move raises more questions than answers. On the one hand, a partnership with Wayne Rooney looks mouth-watering and could be set to boost both players’ Fantasy appeal – with last season’s top two Fantasy Premier League (FPL) players leading the line, Sir Alex Ferguson’s side could be on course to top their 89 goals from the previous campaign as they attempt to wrestle the title back from City. Having added the creativity of Shinji Kagawa from Borussia Dortmund, Ferguson is clearly intent on banishing the ghosts of last term, which saw his side suffer the ignominy of being pipped to the title on goal difference in the dying seconds of the season.

Alternatively, the acquisition of Van Persie could, potentially, reduce the appeal of Van Persie and Rooney. When on the pitch last season, the Dutchman had a hand in 54.2% of all Arsenal’s goals in the league; with set-pieces and spot-kicks in the bag, he was certainly the more stable of the two players and produced the goods away from home far more consistently than Rooney – this, however, was playing as a lone frontman for the Gunners in a system that has served him so well over the past couple of seasons. The sceptics will point to his form for Holland, for example, to illustrate the fact that there are no guarantees that “Arsenal’s Van Persie” will offer the same sort of output as the one plying his trade at Old Trafford.

There are several factors for Fantasy managers to consider which will, in all likelihood, only be clarified at the season unfolds. Ferguson’s tactics will be a key factor – will he move away from his 4-4-2 to incorporate his two marquee signings or will Van Persie and Kagawa simply find a place within United’s default formation? Quite where the Dutchman will find his place in the set-piece and spot-kick pecking order is another matter of concern – will he usurp Rooney for penalties or free-kicks or will the pair share duties? Kagawa is also more than capable of executing stunning set-piece delivery and is likely to be in the mix here, too. Bearing in mind that the EA Sports Player Performance Index is considerably weighted towards goalscorers, the captaincy issue is also a major point of concern – a converted penalty could, in any given Gameweek, potentially see a six point swing between Van Persie and Rooney, depending on who has the Fantasy armband.

Rotation is also a major issue. Van Persie played all 38 of Arsenal’s games last term, with only one of his appearances coming from the bench – the same scenario seems unlikely at Old Trafford, with Danny Welbeck and Javier Hernandez also pushing for game time. Ferguson will be desperate to avoid a repeat of last season’s European failure, where his side failed to get past the Champions League Group Stages and could be set for a “horses for courses” approach as his side fight for silverware on several fronts. Considering that Ferguson has just handed Welbeck a new contract and spoken of his expectations for a much improved season from Hernandez, it’s obvious the pair offer a greater threat to Van Persie’s starts than Marouane Chamakh ever did at Arsenal. As Ferguson went on to say this afternoon:

If you go back to 1999 season and we had Dwight and Andy and Teddy and Ole Gunnar – the four best strikers in Europe – and we are getting back towards that now. We have got Chicharito, we have got Wayne, we have got Robin, we have got Danny Welbeck and we have got Kagawa. That is a fantastic combination of players. Hopefully I pick the right combinations.

The Everton game aside, United’s opening schedule (FUL, sot, WIG) is surely set to attract significant investment. While Ferguson has hinted Van Persie should feature at Goodison, much may depend on the forward’s fitness – following his Euro 2012 involvement with Holland, he has featured only as a brief second-half sub against Cologne last Sunday for Arsenal and could well be eased into action, with plenty of alternatives on offer for United. Rooney could be the safer option to start off with, though as the Dutchman showed last term, there is no one quite as reliable in the domestic game.

From an Arsenal perspective, the move is set to boost the appeal of their trio of new signings prior to the Gunners’ Gameweek 1 home clash against Sunderland. Arsene Wenger admitted yesterday that there will be no influx of attacking players in light of Van Persie’s departure at the Emirates, having already acquired Santi Cazorla, Lukas Podolski and Olivier Giroud in anticipation of the move.

Giroud looks set to lead the line in the 4-2-3-1 formation; a system he flourished in at Montpellier last term, with 21 goals and nine assists firing his side to the Ligue 1 title – priced at 9.0 in FPL and 8.7 in the Sky Sports game, his FPL price in particular now looks far more appealing with game time looking guaranteed. Podolski comes in at 8.5 in both games and, while he is likely to feature wide left, was handed spot-kicks in the club’s last game, though it’s worth noting that Mikel Arteta missed out with a knock and could also be in with a shout. Cazorla – at 9.0 and 6.7 in the two games respectively – is now likely to take over free-kicks and should also grab a fair share of corners, too. All three look very reasonably priced and are set to be hugely instrumental figures as Wenger seeks to push on from the loss of a club captain for the second season in a row.

Further Reference

Robin Van Persie Wikipedia
Robin Van Persie 2011/12 Goals

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  1. kaz 96
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    chances of zabaleta starting the first 3 games?

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    1. Cyril Figgis
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      99%

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      1. The Rock
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 8 months ago

        .9

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      2. The Shadow
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 8 months ago

        Chances of him starting the next three?

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  2. Torreslove
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Green-federici
    Cole–lescott–Gorkss–clyne–mccartney
    –Bale–hazard–santi–kagawa–guthrie
    graham–Torres–Tevez

    too mid heavy?

    santi + graham OR podolski + michu?

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    1. The Rock
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      Santigraham for me

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    2. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Former imo.

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    3. MY DJ NAME IS PIMP CURRY
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Looks like a really, really good team.
      Maaaybe you could downgrade Santi to Ireland or someone and upgrade guthrie + a defender or two.

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    4. beric
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      I see we have the same question! 😀 - I can't decide. I want Podolski + Graham really 😉

      Good team, v. v. similar to mine, as you know.

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      1. Torreslove
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 8 months ago

        yes, but with this mid i dont have the extra 2.5m to do torres >> rooney.

        what do you think of kagawa and torres >> pienaar + rooney after gw 2

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        1. beric
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 8 months ago

          Yeah could be great switch, although Uniteds fixtures arent the best for a while - not that that should matter too much.

          I think its best to be vague about the transfers you wanna make, there will inevitably be unexpected players you want straight away.

          I'm loosely thinking Torres + Ramires + Cole --> Rooney + Rafael + 6.0, but will see how the land lies after GW2.

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          1. Torreslove
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 8 months ago

            yea there are a lot of players who can come good at the start. this mid definitely gives me flexibilty to downgrade quick if needed and upgrade the defence/forwards.

            i would wait to make sure rafael has nailed on his spot. if then he's this years evans.

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    5. seansc1
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      p + m

      what you think this?

      Federici / Cerny (might need to chang ethis)
      Vermalean, Terry, Hangeland, Fox, Barnett
      VDV, Lamps, Michu, Pieenar, Maloney,
      Tevez, Torres, Podolski

      Any ideas anyone????

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      1. beric
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 8 months ago

        Hahaha, you didn't even say anything about his team! Just answered the last question 😆

        As for your team:

        I think this is a REALLY good team

        One one of the best I have seen.

        Well done.

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        1. Billy Gilmore
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 8 months ago

          +1 😀

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        2. seansc1
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 8 months ago

          Yeah but still unsure. Wondering whether lamps is the right choice. Not having him in or alternatively betting against torres would allow a lot more wiggle room in the ocming weeks or it maight be the case of an early wildcard for yet another season.

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      2. blue cheese
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 8 months ago

        I think this is a REALLY good team

        One one of the best I have seen.

        Well done.

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        1. Evs
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 8 months ago

          I love this 😉 ^^^^

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    6. denial
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      I'm going for Graham simply because of BP's if he's in the goals and Santi you can swap out for any other mid.

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  3. pol
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Hazard is nailed on? Is he on any set peices?

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    1. MY DJ NAME IS PIMP CURRY
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Nailed on for one game maybe, not both. No set pieces though.

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  4. COMH
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    SKY POLL

    a) Valencia

    b) Siggy

    c) Gerrard

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    1. The Rock
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      B for now

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    2. Cyril Figgis
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      A easy.

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  5. BartoloneForEver
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Who would you choose?? Podolski or Giroud?

    Im thinking Giroud will be more center striker than Podolski
    But then again Poldi might be the set piece taker... !

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    1. MY DJ NAME IS PIMP CURRY
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Giroud for me any day.

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    2. Ishaan-Do join my FPL leagu…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      podolski. he will not only score but assist as well.

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    3. Spiritof76
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Podolski for set pieces, pens (probably), and higher likelihood of more minutes IMO

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  6. The Gambler.
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Guys who is nailed on in Citys defence?

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    1. Ishaan-Do join my FPL leagu…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Kompany.

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    2. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      kompany,lescott and by the looks of it, zabaleta too

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  7. Nighthawk
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    I’m adopting a ‘wait and see’ approach with United/Arsenal/Spurs.

    Loading up on Chelsea for the DGW and City for their home tie with Southampton.

    Front 8 look like his:

    Mata / Hazard / Michu / Noble

    Aguero / Torres / Tevez

    After the first week or two I’ll be swapping Mata and Hazard for two of Bale, Siggy, VDV, Nani, Valencia, Young, Kagawa and Cazorla.

    Why gamble in the first week when you can go with Chelsea and City?

    The prices are all similar so it makes bringing them in hassle free.

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    1. MY DJ NAME IS PIMP CURRY
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Well Bale is nailed on for Spurs.
      Yeah, I probably might not have any United attacker. And I think there are a few others too.

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    2. Round and Round
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Bale isnt a gamble at all. Lack of Rooney or RVP will kill you.

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  8. ssetem
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Keep changing my team, got this for now with 0.5m in bank

    Krul, Cerny
    Cole A, Harte, Shawcross, Coloccini, Zabaleta
    Nasri, Mata, Kagawa, Allen, Britton
    Defoe, Torres, Tevez

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    1. Ishaan-Do join my FPL leagu…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      I like Defoe. Real differential with no other strikers at Spurs..
      Allen-not so sure of value in fpl
      Cerny and Krul-i wouldnt depend on krul as a single (playing) keeper.

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    2. Torreslove
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      take allen out. newcastle bad fixtures to start off and no point in doubling up on them. cant see shawcross returning a lot of points in the first 8 games. like the defoe punt, but now with modric sold spurs will definitely bring in a striker.

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  9. deccoo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Need some help guys – have been tinkering with team for far too long and need some loving works of reassurance!

    Federici Foster
    Cole Zabaletta Rangel Hangeland Gorkss
    Cazorla Bale Mata Noble Marveaux
    Torres Aguero Pog

    Biggest concern is on this version have nothing in the bank to do the Torres > Shrek but have done for benefit of having Bale who has solid fixtures from GWK2

    Also struggled with keeper rotation – best combo for 5m & 4.5m?

    HELP!

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  10. Ishaan-Do join my FPL leagu…
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    For Utd players, who are you all going with?
    I have Rooney and Valencia but rvp is starting to tempt me..

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    1. beric
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      None, but leaving cash in the bank.

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    2. Jonny
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      valencia DDG, waiting on RVP

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    3. Title20
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      i dont have either but ive got the cash for GW2 transfer of torres -> RVP or GW2 and GW3 transfers of torres ->rooney and yaya ->kagawa

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    4. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Rooney and Valencia.

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    5. Round and Round
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Rooney. RVP will take a few weeks to get upto fitness given he's hardly played during pre-season and even when he does play he is way more likely to get subbed off than Rooney for now.

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  11. Screaming Midget
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    What do you think are the main weaknesses to a back 5 of:

    Hangeland Zabaletta A.Cole Cuellar Clyne

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    1. The Rock
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Clyne

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    2. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      clyne>tiereny

      good for rotation too

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    3. Round and Round
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Very strong, just think 5.0/4.5/4.0 is a too much for one rotating place. But hey if you can afford it, why not!

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    4. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Wow, that's my current back 5 as well. Clyne is the weak link, but he will barely be used anyways.

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  12. Jonny
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    noble or maloney

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  13. 2EZ4KKR
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    A or B pls

    A - Podolski and kacaniklic
    B - Graham and Pienaar

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    1. The Rock
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      B

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    2. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      b

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      1. 2EZ4KKR
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 8 months ago

        well i'll go for b..
        could u guys tell me more ? 😀

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        1. 2EZ4KKR
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 8 months ago

          the best 6.5 mid = pienaar ?

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  14. Evs
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    • 16 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    I will be keeping 3.5m in bank for this...

    Gw2. Defoe in for Petric

    Gw3. Rooney in for Torres.

    Gw1 front 3. Petirc, Torres, Tevez.

    😉

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    1. blue cheese
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      I think this is a REALLY good plan

      One one of the best I have seen.

      Well done. 😉

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      1. Evs
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 8 months ago

        Cheekay Nitin 😛

        Good init?

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        1. blue cheese
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 8 months ago

          On a serious note, yeah. It does make lot of sense.

          I see you've gone with Michu + Petric.

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          1. Evs
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 8 months ago

            Yes Nitin, but now I got an escape route.

            Petric good gw1, torres still good gw2. Spurs good run for pet and upgrade to Rooney.

            This may change as it means I will downgrade Kagawa for Nzogbia. I want Kags tho 🙁

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    2. MY DJ NAME IS PIMP CURRY
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      And what if spurs sign Adebawhore?

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      1. Evs
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 8 months ago

        Baaaaa....

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    3. Jimbo123
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      So you are ditching Petric for good after gameweek 1, or!?

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      1. Evs
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 8 months ago

        Yep, bye bye.

        From gw3.... Newcastle (Ba), spurs (defoe) and united appeal to me more.

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  15. Cesc's old mullet
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    I'm still thinking of favoring Rooney over RvP

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    1. Ishaan-Do join my FPL leagu…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      same here..i think after a 30 goal season at 29years age, rvp will only go downhill, though he will (still) probably score 15-20+ goals.

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  16. delank
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Ok RMT thanks

    Krul

    Lescott, Hangeland, Walker, R Taylor

    Nani, Bale, Pilkington, Y Toure

    Bent, Aguero

    Subs: Cerny, Morison, McCarthy, Barnett

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  17. Christina.
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    So Saha to take Sun peno's?

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    1. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      even if larsson kept his penos, pienaar would outscore him

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      1. Christina.
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 8 months ago

        Maybe, but I dont like first 3 EVE fixtures.

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  18. eplitz
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Lads, would really appreciate some advice

    Cech, Jaaska,

    A.Cole, Demel, Cuellar, Hangeland, Gorkss

    VDV, Bale, Nolan, Nzogbia, Yaya Toure

    Tevez, Torres, Graham

    2.0 in bank

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  19. Kagawa-san-mia
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    saw news of a bale knock, is he available for this weekend ?

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    1. jas5sk - Youtube channel
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Bale knock-knock joke?

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  20. MY DJ NAME IS PIMP CURRY
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    I personally think Lescott will score some 6-7 goals this season. I think he's worth the 0.5m over Zabaletta, plus he's nailed on.

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  21. the Chaser
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    anybody know when the FA will make their ruling on Terry? I'm pretty sure he'll be getting a ban similar to suarez but wondering whether it'll impact on the first 2 GWs

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  22. felix
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Who's the best 4.0 defender other than mcartney? Preferably with a good fixture gw 3 (ie no southapton)

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  23. Back to Back Ballacks
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    33 and a half hours!
    I best piss off to the fixtures page for the first time!

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  24. Timmy Cahill Rules
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Is it a bad idea for me to have

    Torres , Mata and Lampard for DGW

    and then use my WC after DGW and sell all 3

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    1. Kagawa-san-mia
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      dont recommend early wildcard
      i see a couple people doing that dunno why

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  25. Flavorito
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Why no love for Cabaye? He takes set-pieces/corners and he's the main playmaker for Newcastle.

    Plus with Anita's arrival (who will play CDM), Cabaye may be fully unleashed this season.

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    1. felix
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      He's got a slight knock hasn't he? Often assists the assister too.

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    2. kaz 96
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      newcastle's modric

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  26. Putherover
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Repost, pages moving too fast

    if song goes, who would replace him in arsenal midfield? what about Djourou?

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    1. deccoo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Will be Coquelin if we don't bring in Sahin or M'Villa

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  27. Eden Eden
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Sitting in a hospital ward with nothing better to do than beg for help, I have this at the moment:
    Cech - jaaskalainen
    Cole - koscielny - Williams - hangeland - clark
    Cazorla - toure - pienaar - dyer - Ireland
    Torres - tevez - pog
    3 million in the bank
    I'm unsure of my midfield and whether clark is better than lowton etc...
    If anyone actually wants to help it would make my hour

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    1. Putherover
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      looks ok, think maybe spurs midfielder needed

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  28. Irish Madridista ⭐
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Final draft. I'm happy 🙂

    DDG - Green

    Ivanovic - Williams - Hangeland - Cuellar - Demel

    Bale - Cazorla - Pienaar - McClean - Miyaichi

    Torres - Tevez - Petric

    3.0 mil in the bank for flexibility or for RVP/Rooney 😀

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  29. Mr. Greedy
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    Wayne Rooney's points totals:

    2011/12 230

    2010/11 142

    2009/10 224

    2008/09 135

    2007/08 148

    2006/07 184

    His best FPL years have come when he plays as the main man striker - after Ronaldo left in 2009/10 and last season. Will his output be diminished this season with RVP there?

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  30. Ginkapo FPL
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 8 months ago

    I'm gonna have a poor GW1. Kolarov you better sodding play this week

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    1. blue cheese
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      Hmm ... Eoin first up for you.

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    2. beric
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 8 months ago

      I'm determined to get off to a good start, even with 2.5 in the bank. I'll probably have to use hits galore after GW1 though.

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      1. Ginkapo FPL
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 8 months ago

        This is where I differ, I wont need to go hit crazy and will zoom back from GW2 onwards.

        RVP and Giroud will take a couple of GW's to hit their rhythem

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