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21 September 2012 698 comments
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Having given our top ranking managers in the Fantasy Premier League game their fifteen minutes earlier this week, it’s now time to put the Sky Sports Fantasy Football game in focus. We check on our Scout League leaders, monitor the transfer trends and look to tonight’s episode of the Fantasy Football Club…

Scout League Standings

Paul Hennessy remains on top of the Scout League going into Gameweek 5. A Gameweek 4 tally of 63 points was enough to stretch his lead to 3 points, with Ben Salter back on the ascendency and sitting in second. Jonathan Lenharth and Niels Koopman retain their top five spots as they give chase to the top two.

Paul and Ben are second and third in the game overall, with Hennessy 14 points behind the leader in the tussle for the £25k first prize. A mention here for Scout Contributor, Andy, he’s currently sitting 12th in the Scout League and in 72nd spot overall: it’s nose bleed time for Goddard.

The Scout League remains on top in the League of Leagues, with almost an 18 point margin separating us from the league in second.

A reminder that if you’re playing the Sky Sports game and have yet to join our league, you can sign up to the FFScout League with this Pin: 8004519.

Market Forces

Jermain Defoe is sitting on top of the most transferred in ranks for this week, with 5.3% of transfers involving the Spurs striker – a reaction to his two-goal salvo at Reading on Sunday which helped him to a 16-point haul. Eden Hazard remains a popular target, despite drawing a blank at Loftus Road, he has taken up 4.9% of transfers in this week, with Arsenal pairing Carl Jenkinson and Santi Cazorla also seeing 3.7% and 3.5% respectively.

Interestingly, it’s Robin Van Persie who tops the transfers out over the last seven days, a direct result of him being benched for the drubbing of Wigan last weekend. Having been the most popular captain going into the Gameweek, Van Persie was transferred out in 5.7% of the deals made this week. Carlos Tevez, despite notching the assist in the stalemate at Stoke, has been the next most ousted player – no doubt to make way for the likes of Defoe in many a lineup. Tevez has been sold in 3.3% of the transfer deals this week.

Both Van Persie and Tevez remain mainstays in many squads, however, with Van Persie currently skippered by over 18% of Sky Sports managers going into the weekend. At present, Tevez is claiming 9% of the captaincies with Eden Hazard sandwiched between this pair on 10.7%.

Incredibly, despite top scoring with 17 points last weekend, Dimitar Berbatov remains on just 1.9% ownership at the time of writing.

The Fantasy Football Club – 10pm Tonight

Everton legend, Neville Southall, is shuffling into the Fantasy Football Club dressing room tonight to no doubt reminensce about his glorious Goodison days. He’s joined by boxer Tony Bellew, while Norwich stopper, John Ruddy, will be on the studio hotline with Fenners and Merse ahead of his trip to Newcastle. Listen out for this week’s tips from the “ITK” – in case you missed it, last week he delivered on Brad Guzan, Rafael and Dimitar Berbatov.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. Podge
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Damn I've become really torn between RVP and Hazard for the (C), had it on RVP all week and now I've changed it 🙁

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    1. Seamy
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      I am the exact opposite

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    2. Andrew
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      I think Hazard is the right choice

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      1. Sarnab
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        He may be benched

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        1. Andrew
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          Based on what?

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          1. Andrew
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 5 months ago

            Based on nothing then, its Capital One Cup in midweek thats when he'll be rested.

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    3. Sess!
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      RVP for me. Playing on sunday swung it and he's on pens, for one more week anyway.

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    4. Round and Round
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Stick it back on RVP! Even away, Stoke won't concede many, RVP has a bigger potential, especially given his history at Anfield.

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    5. Podge
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Thanks lads I'll switch it back and pray

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      1. meerlight
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        I'm banking on RVP. Liverpool have shipped four goals in two games at anfield. I have a feeling that mnu will perform better against liverpool without rooney. I'm probably misguided, or deluded, and you shouldn't read anything into the nervous tick...

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  2. Sarnab
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    No Bale,HBA, Defoe,Ba in my team , No real captain choice either.. Still saving the transfer this week.

    Worth it ??

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    1. Sarnab
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      team linked

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    2. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Save the transfer, looks decent to me.

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      1. Sarnab
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Thanks Heco.. looking forward to a week with most of my players playing against each other

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        1. heco87
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          Ha yeah, should be a close one.. W2, L2 is my record so far and the 2 I've won have been by 1 point...

          Fletcher, Pienaar, McAuley, Foster vs Lambert, Ben Arfa, S Taylor, Jaask is about the only differences I think.

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    3. Round and Round
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      No real captain choice? RVP. Save the transfer, you have a great squad.

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    4. GoonerByron
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      RVP, Tevez and Hazard are all fine captain choices for this week..

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      1. Sarnab
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Can't decide who shall be my (c)

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    5. Fergies fledgling
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      12/15 😀

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  3. Cooper123
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    I'm pretty torn between bringing in Ben Arfa or Cazorla this week. The former has better short-term prospects and can then be swopped but the latter is the one I want in the long run.

    A) Barfa

    B) Cazorla

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  4. BT31 - WE ARE ALL TINKERMEN…
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Captain Kieswetter, Hales, Wright or Swann?

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    1. Messiah Hazard
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Kieswetter

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    2. blue cheese
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Kieswetter.

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    3. Sarnab
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Kieswetter.. Promising player. And also he is the WK, so will get a lot of fielding points too

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    4. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      not kieswetter )

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      1. blue cheese
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        🙁 He HAD to get a duck!

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  5. sminkypinky
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    I've disregarded RVP (c) option this week entirely. Now I'm starting to wonder. All fair points bout Hazard rested (at least 30mins) who I was going to cap.

    Any of you going with RVP (c) ??

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    1. Messiah Hazard
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      No Hazard is the best choice for (c)

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    2. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Why would he be rested? He won't play in the League Cup midweek.

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    3. Sess!
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Yes. I think hazard will do well but I think RVP will do better.

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      1. sminkypinky
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Cheers all.
        Decided. Haz it is.

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    4. Seamy
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      I'm currently on RVP

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  6. Valar(Keith)
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Last post 🙁
    Anyone got the link to that new fpl blog site? read some brilliant articles on there durin the international break and i’ve forgotten the name now..
    Thanks

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    1. blue cheese
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Glover's? http://premierleaguefantasy.blogspot.in/

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      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        yes!! thanks

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    2. Podge
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Replied already

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      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        jsut saw.. thanks!

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  7. pilgrim
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Save FT and play Clark away to Southampton, or use FT to bring in Naughton for Cueller and bench Clark?

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    1. Messiah Hazard
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Save FT

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    2. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Save

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    3. Sarnab
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Save

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  8. The Plutocrat
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Quick poll, one of the following.....

    Berbatov

    Ba

    Defoe

    Will mean me taking a 4 point hit - replacing Adebayor or should I rely on Bench of Demel or Clyne 1s Sub (Kara) is already being for another crocked player...

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    1. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      I've gone for Ba..

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  9. Valar(Keith)
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    They not showin either the Fulham or Newcastle games live this week in india 🙁 .. was hopin that they showed one of the 2 to help with my Berbs/Ba dilemma

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    1. blue cheese
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      You're making me choose Defoe! 😕

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      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        was all set on Ba captain.. not gonna do it now though 🙂

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      2. Valar(Keith)
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        no tottenham game either 😡 .. Bale(c) was my next option 🙂

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        1. blue cheese
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          Mine was Defoe! 😛

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    2. lilmessipran
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      will have 2 livestream it..no choice left

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      1. Valar(Keith)
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        but that means stayin home on a saturday/sunday 😡

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  10. Rodrigo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Start Jussi or Foster this week? I also have Demel for WHU defensive cover. I prefer hedging, but it burned me last week sitting Jussi.

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    1. GoonerByron
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Foster.

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    2. Round and Round
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Foster. Foster has a much higher chance of a clean sheet imo. You need to transfer one of those keepers out anyway, they don't rotate well at all.

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    3. Podge
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Same decision and I'm sticking with Foster, TotalFPL has it rated as the easiest game of the week.

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    4. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      foster

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    5. Rodrigo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Thanks! Its a blessing and a curse having two good keeper options.

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  11. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Graham Out -
    A. Berba
    B. Defoe
    C. Lambert

    Leaning towards berba

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    1. differentgear
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      defoe

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    2. Podge
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Berba

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    3. Sarnab
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Long term Berba
      Short term Defoe

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    4. Valar(Keith)
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      0.1 more for Ba?

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      1. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        yep worth it?

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        1. Valar(Keith)
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          Cisse sick. Ba on form. Norwich and the Reading. All signs point to a monster 2 weeks

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          1. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 5 months ago

            i'll do that and switch to berba gw 7. Sounds good?

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            1. Valar(Keith)
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 5 months ago

              that's my plan too 🙂

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  12. Dogba
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Any news on Naughton? Some rumours he got injured in the Europa game. IF he is injured, what are some good options at 4.4 or below? Current back 7:

    Jask (Bego)
    Demel Baines Naughton (Gibbs Davies)

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    1. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Nelson and pocket the rest. You'll play Baines and Gibbs every week so just rotate the 3 cheap defenders.

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      1. Dogba
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Nelson is a good suggestion. I'm assuming by every week you mean most every week, or are you saying you'd start Gibbs the next two? That seems risky.

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        1. Drip Doctor
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          I'd start him in both to be honest.

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    2. sminkypinky
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Clark

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  13. duncansarmy
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    In a right mess, and still need to get shut of k dyer!!

    Degea (fedrici)
    
Cole ● lescott ● clyne ● Hughes ● demel
    Pienaar ● cazorla ● valencia ● guthrie ● dyer k*
    
RVP ● tevez ● graham

    Any suggestions? Got £1.9m to waste..

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    1. Valar(Keith)
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Graham to Ba 🙂

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      1. southernpacific
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        +1

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    2. Fergies fledgling
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Kieran Dyer, flip me.

      FIrst thing is make sure you have XI who play this week. To begin I'd boot out de Gea for someone who's going to play every week (e.g. Foster)

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  14. vballer
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    hey guys, do u all think it is worth it to make a 4 point hit, transferring out Zabaleta for Ridgewell? Zaba is dropping 0.1 and ridgewell is rising 0.1.

    But my gut tells me it is not worth it. Points > team value. what do you guys think?

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    1. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      ridgewell absolutely worths 4pt hit but not for a city def

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    2. @ImpressiveTackl
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Eugh, is Zaba definitely dropping tonight? What a pain in the sphincter.

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  15. applebonkers
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    • 16 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    maybe old news but dwight tiendalli added to swansea, 4.5mil

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    1. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      He is still nice and cheap, hopefully one of him or Davies will emerge as top dog

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      1. applebonkers
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        • 16 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        yep, can't see laudrup rotating full backs. tiendalli debut in the capital cup midweek then see where it goes from there.

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  16. Andrew
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Why are people saying Hazard will be rested, he will have no game next midweek so will have a week off.

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  17. sminkypinky
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    1st sub Davies (swa) or Guthrie?

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    1. Round and Round
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Guthrie. Everton will score, Swans backline is a mess.

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      1. sminkypinky
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Agreed Thanks.

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  18. Seamy
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    People keep talking about RVP's record at Anfield? How many has he scored there?

    I know he got 2 last season but that is about it

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    1. Seamy
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Looking at Uniteds stats, they have not scored more than 1 goal in a fixture at Anfield since Nov 2003 apparently... This is worrying for someone who is tempted to (c) RVP

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      1. Round and Round
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Liverpool have never been worse. Big rivals or not, they dont have the quality to keep United out, especially with RVP. May be biased but can easily see United winning 3 or 4-1

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        1. Seamy
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          Lets hope so!

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      2. Seamy
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Arsenal on the other hand love scoring at Anfield averaging 2.2 GPG in their last 6 :\

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  19. Valar(Keith)
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Wigan got a high chance for a cleanie accordin to bookies.. Berbs 😡 . Any they really hate pool. Manu third in the CS list

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  20. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Would anyone be kind enough to suggest a transfer for me this week? My teams linked and I have nothing in the bank. I'm WCing next week, so its a one off punt. Obvious candidates for the chop are Graham (for Lambert?) or a defender.

    Thanks.

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    1. Valar(Keith)
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Lambert

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    2. Seamy
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Zab -> McAuley or Graham -> Lambert IMO

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    3. Back on the horse
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Morrison

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    4. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Cheers folks. Maybe Lambert then.

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  21. Jimbo123
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    That captains armband looks damn good on Ricky Lambert......just you wait people.

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    1. Seamy
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Yes it does

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    2. OPTA FPL
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      i'm doing

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      1. Back on the horse
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        do you have him? or is that going to be your FT this week?

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        1. OPTA FPL
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          Graham --> him

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  22. BT31 - WE ARE ALL TINKERMEN…
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Wicket maiden, Kieswetter gone!

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  23. Kevin Twine
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Has anyone else just received this??!

    "Dear Sir / Madam,

    Your team name was deemed offensive and was renamed to "CHANGE NAME". Please change it to something more suitable.

    Please be warned that if you use anything that can be deemed offensive again, your account will be deleted

    Regards,

    Fantasy Premier League Support"

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    1. Andrew
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      What was your team name lol

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      1. Kevin Twine
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Gary Glitter’s U16′s

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        1. Andrew
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          Lol

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        2. @ImpressiveTackl
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          😀 Then why is this e-mail such a mystery to you?

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          1. Kevin Twine
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 5 months ago

            I'm surprised that they go through over 2million team names tbh?!! Someone has a fun job 🙂

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            1. 85babyfaceben
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 5 months ago

              LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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        3. blue cheese
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          LOL.

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          1. Kevin Twine
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 5 months ago

            It's political correctness gone mad 🙂

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    2. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Its happened to people before. DId your ol dname relate to Young Boys?

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      1. Kevin Twine
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Erm, yeah I suppose so lol... (see above)

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    3. @ImpressiveTackl
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      What was your name?

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      1. Kevin Twine
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Gary Glitter’s U16′s..

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        1. Oldman Unathletic
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          thank you nick, that post just made my day lol

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  24. yanky
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    ddg (federici)
    staylor demel clyne (ben davies, cuellar)
    hazard kagawa michu cazorla (noble)
    graham rvp tevez

    should i start noble over graham?
    also hvent made a transfer yet, what would u do? im thinking kaga out, HBA in...

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    1. Round and Round
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Tricky decision. I think you have to start Graham, but I wouldn't be confident in him. Use your transfer to do DDG to Foster.

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    2. differentgear
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      yes hba in

      noble over graham

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  25. differentgear
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    sigurdsson and graham >

    A Ba and Morrison
    B Ba and Pienaar
    C Lambert and Ben Arfa

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    1. tarifapirate
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      I would keep Siggy for this GW. Injury stricken QPR team to consider...

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  26. tarifapirate
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Kagawa or Santi?? Need to bench one.
    Do you guys think Shinji will start?
    Thanks.

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    1. Round and Round
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      No chance you can bench either. And yes Kagawa will start.

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    2. ruud gullit sitting on a sh…
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Why would you bench Santi?

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      1. tarifapirate
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        Because I have:

        HBA - Bale - Morrison - Kagawa/Cazorla

        Tevez - Berba - Benteke (gut feeling)

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        1. ruud gullit sitting on a sh…
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 5 months ago

          If you have a gut feeling then go for it. If you are going to drop one of those 2 then I'd drop Kagawa. United don't score too many goals at anfield.

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          1. tarifapirate
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 5 months ago

            Thanks - makes sense!

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    3. differentgear
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      safer to always play nailed on first so play santi

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  27. Screaming Midget
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Just as a totally random WC... and don't think I'd have the balls to go for it, but what do you think of this team:

    Jaask / Begovic
    Gibbs Cole Baines Demel Lowton
    Yaya Hazard Michu Nolan Kacaniklic
    Podolski Tevez Berbatov

    Bank: 2.7

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    1. Round and Round
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      Without RVP I'd expect a much stronger midfield. I have RVP and my backline and midfield are stronger imo.

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  28. HuttonDressedasLahm
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Interesting Spurs blog. Enough to put me off Bale I think

    http://www.thfc1882.com/2012/09/21/match-preview-tottenham-hotspur-vs-queens-park-rangers/?

    Any chance that Defoe could get rested??

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    1. Back on the horse
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      I would be surprised if he were rested. He is in great form and AVB needs to put a run of results together

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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      probably no

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    3. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      if naughton was injured it would be vertonghen lb, caulker cb imo. wouldn't worry about bale at all. and defoe is fine for this week at least

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    4. Round and Round
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 5 months ago

      No. Defoe will play, they have no toher options. If i was getting a Spuds midfielder I'd go for Lennon. Looked great midweek and has done all season - this myth about him not producing FPL wise hasn't held so far this season.

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      1. HuttonDressedasLahm
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        "Flappy hands" will never get in my team!

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  29. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
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    13 years, 5 months ago

    Graham to Ba this week.
    GW 7 - Ba out - Berba in

    looks fine nuh?

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    1. Valar(Keith)
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      13 years, 5 months ago

      Ba got NOR rdg
      Berbs got wig MCY

      Ba looks like outscorin him by a lot. if it all goes tits up however Berbs will just be 7.5 end of next week so it's an easy swap. I dont normally go for short term punts but i am considerin the exact same.. rather than just stick berbs in right now.

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      1. Drogba "Unstoppable, U…
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 5 months ago

        thx then

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  30. Valar(Keith)
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 5 months ago

    Ba nailed on for the scout picks tonight looks like. Cisse ill, and in form. Plus they dont really seem to rate HBA much judgin by his position in the watchlist

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