[sbu_large_image] From The Physio
26 September 2012 2467 comments
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Following on from last week’s debut, it’s time to turn focus to the latest line of injuries with Dan Agger’s leg injury, Samir Nasri’s hamstring and Stephen Ireland’s arm all taking place on my virtual treatment table. I’ll also take time to assess those already under treatment, with Bacary Sagna and Jack Wilshere closing in on a return to action…

New Arrivals

Daniel Agger
The injury to Daniel Agger occurred as the Dane and team-mate Glen Johnson both attempted to thwart the gazelle-like advances of United’s Antonio Valencia, who swiftly and elusively skips between the pair, leaving the two Liverpool players on collision course. Agger, with left leg at full stretch slides in, just as Johnson bears down with his own challenge, connecting with Agger’s knee, just below the joint line with what can be described as a “valgus force”, a specifically angled and levered pressure that, with pace and force, places great stress on the Medial Collateral Ligament (MCL).

Initially we see Agger attempt to get to his feet, where he is unable to put any weight through the affected knee. A further diagnostic clue unfolds as the camera cuts to the physio treating Agger on the ground. We witness the physio applying a valgus and varus stress test to the knee. Immediately after the test, presumably fearing Collateral Ligament damage, the physio calls for a stretcher.

As Agger is carried from the field we are able to witness the stricken player holding his leg on the inside of his thigh and the outside of his ankle, as though applying his own varus pressure, a movement that would minimise MCL stretching and, presumably, ease the pain. It was therefore no surprise to see early indications of a suspected MCL strain. Subsequent reports from Anfield suggest the injury is not as serious as anticipated and diagnose a ‘significant bone bruise with no ligament damage.’

A contusion or bruise is a term often applied to soft-tissue damage. When it is used for bone it usually describes a crush injury to the bone. The hard outer surface compacts into the softer, spongy, shock absorbing inner aspect of the bone. Some medics refer to this type of injury as a type of fracture and one would also expect some soft-tissue damage. Not knowing the depth of the contusion or the extent the injury renders time-scale predictions tricky. “Significant bone bruising” could well render the bone susceptible to fracture and Agger will be under constant review from an Orthopaedic specialist to ensure he returns with minimal risk of re-injury.

Taking Liverpool at their word I feel it would be optimistic for Agger to be in contention for either Norwich or Stoke, although if the injury turns out to be a minor bone contusion and he responds well to treatment, Stoke might well be a possibility.

Samir Nasri
In the 33rd minute of the match between Manchester City and Real Madrid, Samir Nasri, during a rare foray into Real Madrid’s penalty area, can be observed accelerating into space, only to be blindsided and unceremoniously dumped to the ground with a ‘tank’ of a shoulder charge from the Real defender. The blow was harsh and unexpected and curtailed Nasri in full flight. Less than a minute later Nasri can be seen holding the back of his thigh directly over the muscle belly of Biceps Femoris, one of the hamstring group. Thirty seconds later he falls to the ground, again clutching his hamstring in the same area. He then leaves the field with a pronounced gait.

From where Nasri was holding his leg we may infer that he incurred no tendon damage (although tests would be undertaken to confirm this) as he clutched the back of his upper thigh right in the middle of the muscle belly throughout. This is one of the more common areas for hamstrings to tear and given the voluminous blood supply to the muscle, recovery should be much shorter than if the tendons were involved. Personally I feel that Nasri suffered a mild to moderate grade 1 to 2 hamstring strain, meaning only a small cross sectional area of muscle would be involved, with major disruption to the fibres unlikely.

Every patient rehabilitates at a different speed, and transition from one phase to the next will depend upon the severity of the injury and the response to treatment. Two factors can be used to predict the length of time needed for athletes to return to full function from a hamstring strain; the amount of time it takes a player to walk without pain and any previous hamstring injuries suffered, information that I’m not privy to. However, on balance, my instinct is that we could see Nasri grace the City first team approximately three weeks from the date of injury. The Fulham match may come too soon, then, a more realistic return could be when Sunderland roll up to the Etihad on October 6.

Stephen Ireland
The Aston Villa midfielder was taken off at half time at St Mary’s with a suspected broken arm. If x-rays confirm this the length of any absence will depend upon several factors; the category of fracture suffered, if the fracture was complete or in-complete, how much of the bone shaft was affected, the shape or the line of fracture and if the fracture was displaced or in-displaced – do the bone ends still end in opposition or will some type of ‘reduction’ need to be administered. In other words, the severity and type of fracture will dictate likely return scenarios.

From discussions with a physiotherapist who has worked in professional football for a number of years, we can summarise that the extent of the damage will dictate the best line of treatment. If displaced, surgery may be advocated to approximate the bones. If notdisplaced, but x-rays still reveal a full fracture, then a period of immobilisation, usually four weeks, in a plaster cast will be required. Even post four weeks, again, depending on the severity, most clubs will see a further two weeks of healing as necessary to avoid the risk of re-fracture. If not a full fracture, we should still anticipate four weeks as a minimum absence. Again, Ireland will be under constant review by orthopaedic specialists to ensure that the player returns with minimal risk of further injury, so, my gut instinct is three weeks may still be too soon despite being possible.

Under Treatment

Bacary Sagna
On the September 21 Arsenal updated Bacary Sagna’s progress indicating that The Frenchman is one week away from full training.

Arsene Wenger, correctly, has a tradition of nurturing long term injured players back slowly and delicately and when you consider that this is the second fracture of the Fibula that Sagna has incurred in the last eight months, caution is understandable. With this in mind, when full training is resumed on the September 28, it is logical to assume that the medical staff would want to monitor full training for any reactions or latent deficits for a further 10 to 14 days before a return to competitive action would be considered. Factor in performance related fitness and match sharpness and, barring any set-backs, expect him to be physically ready to play some part when Arsenal roll up at Norwich, after the international break, on October 20.

It has to be noted that his rehabilitation, this time, will have taken close to six months, whereas his previous Fibula fracture took four months to heal. He won’t be rushed back prematurely. He is also now 29-years-old and this type of serious injury can leave psychological and physiological scars. An accumulation of injuries can potentially have significant consequences and often leaves its mark mechanically. There is also Carl Jenkinson’s almost match by match improvement to consider. The ex-Charlton starlet is the future of Arsenal, playing well in the present. He is staking a claim and has already laid sturdy foundations. Add into the mix the resolve shown by the Arsenal rearguard this season and we can see quite a conundrum building for “professor” Wenger.

Jack Wilshere
Arsenal were further buoyed with the news of the return to full training of another long-term absentee, Jack Wilshere. A stress fracture to the ankle, hampered by a string of aggravations and set-backs, caused him to miss the previous 14 months.

His physical rehabilitation is now nearing completion and the next stage is to monitor his reactions to full training, which he resumed on the September 20 and taking into consideration the length of absence and Wenger’s penchant for patience and caution with long term injury casualties, it is safe to assume that he will be monitored for reactions before any type of competitive match would be considered. Reports today suggested that Wilshere could feature in Monday’s U21 encounter with West Brom. That may well come too soon – reports also suggest that the Gunners are looking to another U21 fixture, the meeting with Reading on October 8.

You can bet that Wilshere won’t be rushed. All things considered he is still three, probably four weeks away from a first team recall and barring set-backs he should be in contention around the time that Arsenal entertain QPR at the Emirates on October 27.

* Please note, while “From the Physio” offers a unique insight into the injuries that are concerning Fantasy Football managers, such a piece must come with a hefty disclaimer. We might be offering an expert’s view of such injuries but, as with just a remote assessment to go on, the views expressed here should not be taken as gospel or with any certainty. They are, however, hopefully of great interest and arm Fantasy managers with more information to help make their own judgements.

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  1. Mark
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Not clever. Please don't mislead folk with old links on injuries. Thanks.

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    1. Shane Ferguson 4.0
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Ok

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      1. 1966 was a great year for E…
        14 years, 1 month ago

        If you'd called yourself Crvena Zvezda you might have got away with it - Mark's good buddies with Jonathan Wilson 😛

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  2. Moontaka
    14 years, 1 month ago

    A big fat spanking from Mark.

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    1. Blue Moon Rising
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Quite right too

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  3. gdog2244
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Ben randall, i got fifa 13 u hav to come over tmrw and play it wit me

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  4. Malgani
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Does anyone think Jelavic will start, and if so will he play the entire 90?

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    1. Kenny Dogleash
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Hope so, he's in my team. Can't see him starting though. Anichebe and Mirallas have been playing well, and a home game against Southampton is very winnable. Might get 20 minutes

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      1. Malgani
        14 years, 1 month ago

        In my team too. Brought him in 2 weeks ago and was planning on captaining him this week. So what's your plan, keeping him or selling him?

        Problem is I also have Tevez and have a sneaking suspicion he won't play this week + Fulham haven't conceded a single goal at home so far this season.

        Not sure who to get rid of Tevez or Jelly.

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    2. HuttonDressedasLahm
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Yes, and I don't see why not. He only banged his knee, and was out for a few days. He wont be that unfit!

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    3. Moontaka
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Anichebe will still start this weekend.

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  5. isacki: full casual
    14 years, 1 month ago

    At the next price update (00:30) we should find out if Cazorla is set to rise tonight. Gonna be very close.

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    1. Malgani
      14 years, 1 month ago

      by the looks of it, no one is rising tonight.

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      1. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
        14 years, 1 month ago

        looks like lambert will

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    2. tw
      14 years, 1 month ago

      About 3 hrs away right?

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      1. isacki: full casual
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Yep. Approximately 3:16

        WWF anyone? 😆

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    3. Simon69
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I dunno why Jenkinson is so high! Surely people should be getting rid with Sagna's return imminent

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      1. Black Knights
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Exactly, it's madness with Sagna coming back. Very silly people out there!

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    4. SuperGrover
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      He went up

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  6. lilmessipran
    14 years, 1 month ago

    how does this team look do i need any changes ??
    foster jass
    fig baines mccauley ramgel demel
    kags michu hazard barfa pienaar
    defoe fletcher tevez 1.5 in the bank suggestions ??

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    1. gdog2244
      14 years, 1 month ago

      easy kags>santa

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      1. lilmessipran
        14 years, 1 month ago

        this gw??dnt u think kags has a better chance against a leaky spurs defense than santi agianst chelsea??

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        1. gdog2244
          14 years, 1 month ago

          he does if he plays rooney threatining kags

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  7. Blue Moon Rising
    14 years, 1 month ago

    I've only got 4 homes this week

    How relevant is this? Have I made a mistake in not striking a balance so that I have a sufficient amount of home and aways each week?

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    1. HuttonDressedasLahm
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Apart from Everton most of the big players this season are away, so dont worry

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    2. Black Knights
      14 years, 1 month ago

      It depends when your homes are? I'd consider any that aren't in England at the moment.

      Seriously though, no. Luck of the draw, i usually prefer defenders at home but forwards can deliver anywhere.

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  8. Black Knights
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Baines up tonight? On 88% so not sure, probably not right?

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    1. Call Me Old Fashioned
      14 years, 1 month ago

      unlikely but I may make the switch soon to be sure

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      1. Black Knights
        14 years, 1 month ago

        I was set to do it until the Tevez mess yesterday. Now i'm trying to think about it as long as possible.

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        1. Blue Moon Rising
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Ive got Tev and I've just done it now.

          Out of Berba, Ba and possibly even Fletcher, Baines has the most potential

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          1. Blue Moon Rising
            14 years, 1 month ago

            This weekend

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            1. Black Knights
              14 years, 1 month ago

              Yeah true that. And the following week he's v his old club (captain potential)! Thanks.

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  9. tw
    14 years, 1 month ago

    china mag around?

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  10. hazza44
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Agureo still on penos??

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    1. Reed_Rothchild
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Yaya

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    2. Simon69
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I'd imagine so.

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  11. Reed_Rothchild
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Davies nailed on starter for Swansea the rest of the season?

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  12. kimoo
    14 years, 1 month ago

    i didn't watch manu 2day , is RVP ready for gw 6 ?

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    1. thegame
      14 years, 1 month ago

      RVP (c) HES READY

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      1. kimoo
        14 years, 1 month ago

        fletcher my C

        i have rvp and baines

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  13. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
    14 years, 1 month ago

    I'm tempted to go with the Foster/Bego rotation in my WC team but it concerns me a little that it's that bit more expensive than Jussi/Bego...I already had Jussi and he's gone up in price...I would hardly get him back but I liked that this combo with Bego was so ridiculously cheap but I feel Foster/Bego is so much more solid. My TV isn't great and with this WC team I've only got 0.5m left in the bank:

    Foster Bego
    Baines Rafael Gibbs Demel Nelsen
    Cazorla Pienaar HBA Fellaini Sterling
    RVP Fletcher Ba

    It inhibits me a little to get in some expensive mids when the time comes...obviously swapping out Cazorla would be the simple option but I see him as a long term keeper.

    Any ideas how I might rectify this or is it just a case of having RVP makes it impossible?

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    1. Call Me Old Fashioned
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I would probably go without Rafeal tbh if you want to boost the mid.

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      1. doncastro
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Id go without Gibbs. Im thinking the same thing with Pienarr and Fellaini in my team it's hard to see how i can get in Silva/Bale if needs be without swapping out Cazorla

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    2. Black Knights
      14 years, 1 month ago

      My plan is to get Bego with Foster as from GW9 it works much better than Jussi. Plus you, like me, already have Demel for coverage.

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    3. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Thanks guys

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    4. In Like Flynn.
      • Has Moderation Rights
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I really like the look of the team MU, I've gone for the Foster/Bego combo and bar a few fixtures I like it for the season.

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  14. PDLeeds
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Does anyone know what the injury was to Ridgewell of West Brom and if he's likely to be out of the weekend game...?

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  15. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
    14 years, 1 month ago

    how does this look

    foster-bego
    cuellar-saylor-demel-hangeland-rangel
    haz-caz-michu-pienaar-maloney
    rvp-tevez-berbatov
    0.6 in the bank

    tevez - lambert
    cuellar - baines
    with 1.4 in the bank

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    1. Mind över Mata
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Those look like decent transfers (especially if for free)

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      1. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
        14 years, 1 month ago

        -4 , still worth it?

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        1. Mind över Mata
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Id say so

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  16. Mind över Mata
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Tevez -> Aguero or Berbs

    Along with Lambert and RVP

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    1. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
      14 years, 1 month ago

      berbs

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    2. hazza44
      14 years, 1 month ago

      im probably doing tevez to fletcher or agureo.

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    3. Mind över Mata
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Was pondering Haz and Tevez -> Barfa and Aguero

      But worry about CL and was Berbs going forward

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      1. Mind över Mata
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        14 years, 1 month ago

        *want

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      2. hazza44
        14 years, 1 month ago

        good transfers imo.

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  17. DGW Sane TC Fail....
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Looking forward to the Arsenal Chelsea game this week. Fingers crossed it's like the 5-3 goal fest from last year at stamford bridge. Got rid of RVP that week> What a mistake that was.......

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    1. 1966 was a great year for E…
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Lots of people did - classic case of over-thinking things!

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      1. DGW Sane TC Fail....
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Lesson Learned 🙂 Am sticking with Hazard for the big games. Hopefully he'll come through with flying colours.

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  18. gdog2244
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Vorm STK (A)

    OR...

    Begovic SWA (H)

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    1. Reed_Rothchild
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Begovic

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      1. gdog2244
        14 years, 1 month ago

        thx

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        1. Demelbrush
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          14 years, 1 month ago

          both

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          1. gdog2244
            14 years, 1 month ago

            both davies and bego????

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    2. gdog2244
      14 years, 1 month ago

      i also hav davies

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  19. Reed_Rothchild
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Just heard Mancini will go 4-5-1 with Aguero alone up front this weekend.

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    1. tw
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Source?

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      1. Reed_Rothchild
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Someone involved with the team. He's going for a 1-0 win.

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    2. Moontaka
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Source?

      Lunacy from Mancini. You have 4 stud strikers and you choose to play only 1.

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      1. Demelbrush
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        14 years, 1 month ago

        And no Tevez?

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        1. Reed_Rothchild
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Not this weekend.

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      2. Reed_Rothchild
        14 years, 1 month ago

        He's looking to tighten up the defense.

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        1. Bielsa’s bucket
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Sounds like your best bro's with Mankini eh?

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          1. Reed_Rothchild
            14 years, 1 month ago

            Good friends with a guy involved with the team. Mancini has a strategy meeting today and he wants to shore up the defense. Will have Silva bombing forward behind Aguero.

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    3. Blue Moon Rising
      14 years, 1 month ago

      This actually makes sense and it what I've advocated from a fans point of view, if not from a FPL perspective.

      We need to start keeping clean sheets

      My team would be:

      Hart

      Zab Kompany Lescottt Clichy

      Toure Barry Garcia

      Milner Silva

      Aguero

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      1. Bielsa’s bucket
        14 years, 1 month ago

        A bit overkill on the DM's don't you think?

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        1. Blue Moon Rising
          14 years, 1 month ago

          Maybe Balo/Tevez for Garcia

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    4. SuperGrover
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      If true will be interesting. Could be a very good thing for Yaya owners methinks.

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  20. tw
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Highlight of my day so far: receiving a package from Amazon in the mail

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    1. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
      14 years, 1 month ago

      What did you get?

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      1. tw
        14 years, 1 month ago

        Mom wouldn't let me open it yet but I have my suspicions 😉

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  21. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
    14 years, 1 month ago

    @ King Eric - are you keeping Tevez?

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  22. Call Me Old Fashioned
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Nelsen, Gorkss or Clyne for defender fodder? Doing Ivan + Cuellar --->Baines + X. Need to raise 0.5M for switch, nothing in bank. Gibbs, Demel and Davies are my other defenders

    Not sure how Mbia affects Nelsen and also have Guthrie as cheap mid so is doubling Reading fodder overkill?

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    1. tw
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Nelsen of that lot

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      1. Call Me Old Fashioned
        14 years, 1 month ago

        cheers TW

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  23. Bielsa’s bucket
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Was there any news from the baggies on Morrisons injury?

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    1. Bielsa’s bucket
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Ill take that as a no then...

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  24. kimoo
    14 years, 1 month ago

    fletcher my C

    i have rvp and baines

    is that good ?

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  25. Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Finally did it...Hazard > Cazorla...and it feels gooooood 😀

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    1. kimoo
      14 years, 1 month ago

      arsenal scored 6 goals cazo assist any of them i didn't see the match 🙁 ?

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      1. AF90
        14 years, 1 month ago

        He didn't play

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      2. Bielsa’s bucket
        14 years, 1 month ago

        He was rested naturally.

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      3. Willis.
        14 years, 1 month ago

        No, he did not.

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      4. kimoo
        14 years, 1 month ago

        thnx all

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  26. AF90
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Tevez/Zabaleta OUT
    Fletcher/Baines IN

    4 point hit....Yes?

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    1. gdog2244
      14 years, 1 month ago

      yes imo

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    2. kimoo
      14 years, 1 month ago

      yes

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      1. Demelbrush
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        14 years, 1 month ago

        yes. Certainly.

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    3. Mind över Mata
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Good call

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  27. Demelbrush
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Any MU fans: How long can we expect Lindy in the MUFC goal?

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    1. Call Me Old Fashioned
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I have no clue

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    2. Ings on the up
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Until he makes a mistake - any PL games seem to Lindegaard at the moment, De Gea for cups

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  28. Demelbrush
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Also, do we think we will see Aguero rise ahead of this GW?

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    1. In Like Flynn.
      • Has Moderation Rights
      14 years, 1 month ago

      Nope.

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  29. gdog2244
    14 years, 1 month ago

    how do i look???

    GK: Vorm, Schwarzer
    DEF: Davies, gibbs, cuellar, demel, Saylor
    MID: bale,michu, Hazard, Kac , pienaar
    ATT: lambert, berba, RVP
    3.6 in bank
    for davies/demel>baines
    vorm>foster in a few weeks

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    1. Bielsa’s bucket
      14 years, 1 month ago

      I would do Davies to Baines, you probably don't want double swans defence atm.

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      1. gdog2244
        14 years, 1 month ago

        agreed thx beard

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      2. Mind över Mata
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        14 years, 1 month ago

        +1

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  30. Reed_Rothchild
    14 years, 1 month ago

    Rooney back

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    1. Optimus.
      14 years, 1 month ago

      hes bringing sexy back

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