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25 March 2013 837 comments
Mark Mark
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Fluctuating player prices are here to stay, of that I am pretty certain. There’s no doubt in my mind that the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) game benefits from the extra dimension they bring, helping to separate the game from its rivals. Others seem to lack a significant layer of strategy without such a feature and, when Fantasy managers are able to construct replica squads, with fixed player prices, this simply adds to mid-season and end of season templates which frustrate and kill the enthusiasm in a mini-league chase.

Having said all this, like most elements of our Fantasy games and the FPL game in particular, there is merit in examining how efficiently the system works – how it governs the decisions of Fantasy managers and consider that, perhaps, there are flaws to be ironed out or improvements that can be made.

My greatest bugbear with the current system in the FPL is that I’ve always felt that insight – the forward thinking involved in acquiring a player that hits form – is punished due to the loss of funds associated with selling that player on at a later date. For my mind, the 50% lost as a result of selling a player that has risen a million or so, becomes a huge factor that can pray on the mind of a Fantasy manager. This can cause hesitation and deliberation that ultimately hands an advantage to those who are able to be more agile in their thinking because a loss of funds is not such an issue to them.

The current situation with Michu is a prime example. Currently priced at 8.4, those Fantasy managers who bought him in early around his initial valuation of 6.5 will now be faced with losing over a million as a result of shipping him out. Arguably, Michu’s form has warranted action for some time but, undoubtedly, the funds lost will have played on the minds of those who have held him for a good while; perhaps not so much at this stage in the season but it may have been a factor in weeks gone by.

Those who had more flexibility because they got Michu later, or perhaps have a smaller sum to lose, have had the advantage here. They can make their decision on the Spaniard without a significant loss of funds being an issue and react quicker to another player in form.

The counter argument is often β€œwell you earned his points early on – that’s your reward”. The problem here is that I don’t see any reason why I shouldn’t be rewarded without being handed any disadvantage later down the line. Of course I should earn the points benefit for getting Michu early but why should this be partially balanced out by the issue of inflexibility caused by a severe loss of funds later in the season? Why should I be punished at all? My foresight surely should have gained me a win-win situation.

It’s very easy to isolate such potential flaws without putting forward solutions and, while it seems likely that this situation will remain unaddressed, it doesn’t stop me considering a number of routes that could be explored that would remove this penalty for far-sighted Fantasy managers. For starters, there could be a ruling that 100% of the price increase is gained back on players sold that were in your initial squad lineup. This would suitably reward Fantasy managers for identifying players that would go on to become leading assets over the course of the season.

This may, of course, throw the balance of the game out considerably, so how about the option to lock down a limited number of players? Perhaps contracts that could be assigned to a player in each position that you select that will always reward 100% value when you next sell them on. This would introduce a new strategic element – allowing Fantasy managers to back a handful of their squad selections, making them immune to the 50% drop.

Admittedly, I’m a Fantasy manager that often deliberates and procrastinates, a flaw that holds me back. However, the potential loss of funds from selling a player becomes a factor that only compounds this chink in my armour. While I recognise that I should be braver as a Fantasy manager and it’s perhaps this that is preventing me from breaking into the very top ranks, I’m convinced that the game mechanics associated with price rises exacerbates my problem. Maybe if I could make 100% back on Michu, I’d have sold him weeks ago and brought in Moussa Sissoko earlier and caught his points. In fact, that’s probably highly likely.

At times over the season, I feel punished for having made the right decision on a player early and have to sit back and watch other Fantasy managers enjoy more freedom with their squads – freedom which often leads to them make up the points I originally gained from my early foresight. With the points in the bag, I should be as free as them, as flexible, to make the same decisions. Basically, I should have my cake and eat it: I’ve earned it.

Price rises are surely here to stay and will continue to enrich our Fantasy experience but, for this Fantasy manager, there remains an injustice at play.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. Test Eagles
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 22 days ago

    Great piece Mark and im glad we're slowly getting back into the mood for debate after what feels like a month-long international break. Ultimately Mark the FPL game favors the brave when it comes to offloading a player at the right time. The words "follow your gut" are spoken here often but those who have the gumption to follow an instinct can love and die by that decision for the rest of the season. 90% end up ruing their decisions but for the lucky / talented 10% go the spoils!

    In summary... the game is all about educated risk taking, and personally I like the way it is set up currently. The reward is points, the fun is in taking a gamble...

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    1. Test Eagles
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      By love, I mean live... stoopid fat fingers on a stoopid dumb phone

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      1. Epic Fail
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Weirdly it read perfectly fine with love, and I agree.

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    2. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 19 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Yep and it's given me a new strategy for next season (I love having an annual strategy to make my season different).

      My inability to let go of proven assets when they dry up is a known problem for me and the points are raised are likely raised because the mechanics prey on this flaw. Maybe I'm totally 100% to blame - pretty sure I am but I'm just wondering if I deserve more of a break from the game having got a few things right early on.

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      1. Test Eagles
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Where's the Oracle when you need her?

        But yes, I completely understand your point of view... I'd only ever suggest to worry less about team value and more about players who will score you points in the short-medium term. The last 4-5 game weeks have seen some very strange looking teams racking up huge points. To some of these owners it was fluke / accident / ghost ship but for a few they took risks to pick differentials and it paid off... Sissoko after 1 GW, Mata > Hazard, RVP > Rooney, etc.

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      2. Dynamo Chicken
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        I guess buying at the right time is only half the battle, selling at the right time is just as important. Buy em low, sell em high and pick who will score the most.

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        1. Test Eagles
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          Simple!

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          1. Dynamo Chicken
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 22 days ago

            If only.. πŸ™‚

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      3. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        The balance between cashing 50% and investing in better prospects v holding
        and using free FT's v taking hits is what makes the game fascinating.

        I think for every player you regretted selling there are 20 you look back and are glad to see the back of.

        Think the unthinkable.

        He who dares and all that.....

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    3. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      πŸ™‚ making me want to get rid of RVP this week ..

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  2. Pat
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 22 days ago

    How about:
    1) if you hold a player for less than three (game)weeks, no profit (only loss)
    2) 3 weeks to less than 6, 1/3 profit (and full loss)
    3) 6-9 weeks 2/3 profit...
    4) >9 (game) weeks full profit

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    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      I think it's fine as it is.

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    2. MCH
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      No way to much going on there it needs to be simple. Its pretty simple as it is now and a lot of people have no idea what is going on having it variable like that would just add to the confusion. As it is its not ideal but then nothing really is ever going to be perfect maybe just lower the hit to 30% its maybe a little less simple but rewards foresight that little bit more.

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      1. Pat
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        The point is to cater to the more serious player...not the one who would probably have a ghost ship by the time the Cup comes around. The rule about value likely doesn't affect that type...

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        1. MCH
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          Every change to the FPL rules recently has been to cater for the casual I doubt they are going to change that pattern soon.

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          1. Pat
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 22 days ago

            Just trying to make it better, not worse (read loss of features, locked out of game near GW deadline...).

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            1. MCH
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 22 days ago

              The FPL want to drive new players into the game so any rule changes will make it more accessible to them they could split it and have an "expert" version or something that went into loads more detail but I doubt that would happen.

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    3. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      This would make the game less enticing.

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  3. Squerly4568
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 22 days ago

    can I just check that all of the double game weeks have now been sorted and we are NOT waiting to confirm anymore?

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    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Man Utd & Chelsea's tbc

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      1. Squerly4568
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        ok cool soo annoying that its not all been sorted yet, just wanna bosh the wild card and get it all sorted for the final run in

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        1. MCH
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          Yeh I am in the same boat I can't wait to click activate! As soon as the update is done on Saturday I am going to fire it up!

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      2. Squerly4568
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        not a bad rank etiher mate!

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    2. MCH
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      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      There is lots of confirmation we are still waiting for.

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  4. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusβ…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 22 days ago

    May I put my tuppenceworth forward? It is only in the "no hits strategy" that Mark's point really plays, in my opinion. In fact, for me, it is fairly crucial to sell on my early risers before Christmas, in order to nail value into my team. It is when this hasn't happened, as with van Persie, that I am subject to the problem.

    However, having bought and sold both Michu and Fellaini, I had enough stored value to go with Baines.

    I rather like the system. πŸ™‚

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    1. Berbagod
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      +1

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    2. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 19 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Yep, maybe I need to play the system as you do. Arguably though, this is actually more of a hardcore tactic that only few players would adopt. Most, like me, would likely see Michu rising and take that as instruction to hold on for dear life. If that's the wrong strategy, again, is the game doing an injustice for some players (the casuals, perhaps?),

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      1. Berbagod
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Oh most definitely. The interesting thing about Michu is that while most "hardcore" players would've done their homework and bought Michu @6.5, the casuals would've picked him up at 6.5-7m, while Michu's "slight" dip in form during Swansea's dry spell would've caused certain "hardcore" managers to dump Swansea assets altogether.

        Strangely, Michu's form recovered and most of us who were paying attention would've actually picked up Michu again (with the extra cash in hand, bear in mind) and rode the Michu wave once more. I made the mistake of not picking Michu up the second time and missed out on his double against Arsenal, and suffered for it πŸ™

        Nevertheless, casuals would certainly benefit from this phenomenon and the likes of early season owners (Hazard, Stoke defense) would've fallen by the way side quite a bit recently by holding on to these assets for dear life. Part of the game really, it's only hindsight that's causing all this gripe.

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      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusβ…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        It is the disjoint between playing the market, and playing the game. Here, our figures that you have brought to our tables will really help next Season.

        Still learning them, this. πŸ™‚

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    3. Lord Flashheart
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      +1

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    4. roscola
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      I played the game this way this season and it has been an absolute catastrophe

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  5. ron.44
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 22 days ago

    Great article Mark.

    I hear your gripes regarding 50% sell-on loss. It is the reason I still have walcott, mata and michu in my squad..and also the reason begovic will not be returning.

    The solutions you offer up are intriguing - especially the idea of contracting certain players to 100% sell-on value. If that could be implemented in a fair/un-abusable way, it could add another dimension to play..but it could also turn into another thing for certain managers/style of managers to complain about.

    ..but for me, seeing the fpl game evolve/progress is always a welcome step, thanks again for food for thought.

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  6. Marleysoldman
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 22 days ago

    Mark, I think you're overstating the tangible value of a team's monetry value. What does a team value of £1m more actually mean in FF benefit? Fugg all is the answer. You only have this value in the total value of your team, it cant actually be used to get other players. Therefore losing this value when you sell is fairly meaningless and shouldnt hold one back as a FF manager.

    Does that make any sense?

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    1. roscola
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      I think - I could be wrong - that the problem is not knowing whether you might want to buy them back in the future. The fear of having to find £1-2m more if you ever do want them back is what stops you selling.

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      1. Mark
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 19 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Indeed, and in Michu's case we know we've had the double looming. Advantage to those who can sell and get back without a big loss.

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    2. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 19 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Yep it makes sense but, like it or not, team value does have a psychological effect on me and I reckon other managers. Maybe that's my issue, maybe I need to break that tie with team value and base my decisions purely on form and fixtures regardless. Like it or not, though, often a big loss or any form of price loss, plays a part in my decisions and, in the case of big losses, it can see me hold a player for far longer than I should.

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      1. MCH
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        That's the thing its all in your head! You're not actually losing any money because that money was never really there in the first place because of the system that is in place you are merely losing some team value which is really just a vanity thing.

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  7. SackWenger
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 22 days ago

    If you bought at the highest purchase price then you suffer the full 0.1m drop each and every time the players price falls in value, whereas if you have bought early you only lose 0.1m every two drops, so there is plus point there for buying early.

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  8. Lord Flashheart
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 22 days ago

    Mark,
    Love the article, disagree with teh conclusions and my main reason is coming from a slightly different angle:
    100% gain will cause this game to be worst. you will not be able to resist price rises, you will almost be forced into investing in bandwagons, you will have more templated teams, and you will be forced to make early transfers even more than today.
    think about all teh money you resist today by not doing early transfers - this will be tripled(!) in the future - a player who goes up max 0.3 per week will be worth 0.3, today it is worth only 0.1!

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    1. Dynamo Chicken
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Spot on.. Hits would need to be bigger for it all to balance out and that would hurt the casual or new player

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  9. FPL Daniel
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 22 days ago

    I must say I don't agree. The balance of the game is fine. You earn 50% profit that is it. Its your call, keep or sell, your call. I benefited from this rule a lot in the past and me like it. Brave or patient, that connects to that wonderful article in the past what kind of a FPL manager you are.

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    1. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Yeah, article says it's not win/win but you get the points AND the increased value if the player does well - I don't see how you actually lose out. It makes it harder to get rid of the player admittedly, but ultimately you have more budget to play with ... i.e. have gained.

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      1. Mark
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 19 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        But you only have that budget advantage when you finally get rid - which, due to the loss, could be a long time down the road at which point others, with more flexibility, have pounced on form players that you've missed out on.

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        1. charlie1X
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          Flexibility is part of the game. As soon as I see I'm getting tied to too many players I try to think of creating areas of flexibility throughout each of the positions. Of course you have to tie in value to the 'right' players in order to avoid endless hits, but this has nothing to do with value.
          Profit is positive. Selling for 50% profit is fantastic. It is irresistible when you see a more in form cheaper player with better fixtures.

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  10. heco87
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 22 days ago

    Regarding the article, the german equivalent - Comunio relies on an open market of player exchanges... i.e. if I bought Michu at the start of the game for £6.5m, I could sell him for whatever the open market dictates at any time. If somebody is willing to buy him off me for £9.2m then that's great and I get all the benefit. This would deal with the issue raised above perfectly.

    I don't quite know how the system would work in reality - I don't know whether that means you can't join part of the way through the season and pick up players by default or what but a few German friends rave about it.

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    1. heco87
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Hard to administer with multiple accounts etc... open to abuse I suspect but they make it work for Bundesliga.

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    2. Kings of Lyon β˜…
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Interesting concept.

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    3. The3rdTurd
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      If it was a truly open market you would get huge price movements. e.g. if a player gets injured, everyone will want to offload him at the same time and his price would crash.

      You would need some way to remove these movements to keep the game sensible, such as the way FPL prices only move once per day and then only by 0.1 per day and 0.3 max per week.

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      1. heco87
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Yeah, like I say - I'm not sure of the ins and outs of the system but I'd imagine there must be a de minimus guaranteed when you sell.

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        1. MCH
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          I played a game where each week you could bid on a player so for example say 50k teams mark Michu as to sell then 250k teams bid on him the 50k teams who bid the most sign him and the average amount bid goes to each of the selling 50k teams. Each of the selling teams would need to win a bid on another player to keep their squad full and each of the buying teams would have to sell a player to make room for Michu. It created situations where you could pick up a real bargain as people would be willing to create a space at any cost.

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          1. heco87
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 22 days ago

            Yeah, sounds good... if not a bit complex for the casuals I take £10 / year each from in my work league πŸ˜‰

            Might do a bit of research as to how Comunio works for the bundesliga.

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            1. MCH
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 22 days ago

              Yeh you need to have a solid understanding of it for sure.

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    4. MCH
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      In an ideal world that would be the way it would work but it would just be impossible to implement. I've used the system in draft games but then it is easy to manage as you normally have a smaller number of managers and only one person has each player.

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  11. Captain Shirokov
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 22 days ago

    Great discussion post Mark, I want more! πŸ˜€

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    1. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      I thought you were busy changing teams and not thinking FPL πŸ˜›

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      1. Captain Shirokov
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Errr what? I'm confused.

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  12. beepingmeeping
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 22 days ago

    No one is stopping you from selling. If you're over-attached to player values, that's your problem.

    I've had Michu since day 1. He's worth 7.4 to me atm. I feel like he's still decent value at that price. I will get rid of him when I can replace him with someone better for that amount of money and I feel like it is worth taking a hit to get rid of him (like the DGW).

    The problem with changing the 50% profit rule to 100% profit would be that the game would be so much more about just getting players that are about to rise. And you don't need foresight to know that a player is about to rise, you need FISO.

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    1. MCH
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      That is it you have to think of him being worth 7.4 to you not whatever his fpl value is now as that price doesn't currently apply to you.

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  13. JT's Dog
      13 years, 22 days ago

      i may be thinking wrong here, but isnt it a false lose anyway.
      In that ultimately you have gained value from original purchase, and added to fact other people who buy him later have to pay more then you are in profit either way.

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    • The3rdTurd
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      I like this article, more please!

      Behavioural economists have a name for this phenomenon: price anchoring.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anchoring

      It's a cognitive human bias to focus on the purchase price, but this is fallacious. If Michu rises to 8.4, you should ignore the fact you bought him for 6.5 and consider who will get you the most points for the 7.4 you can get for selling him. If you still think that's Michu then keep him, but if not then just move on to whoever else can maximise your points return.

      Private investors show exactly the same bias, holding on to shares they have bought long after they have fallen in price, because they are too focused on the price they bought them for. They should instead just sell and buy another stock which is far more likely to make back their losses.

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      1. Test Eagles
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Any shares you'd recommend, praps FFS stock on the up and up?

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        1. The3rdTurd
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          I'm sure Mark would tell you that running this website isn't the route to making a small fortune.

          Unless he started with a large fortune.

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          1. Test Eagles
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      2. MCH
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Same in property where people think their house is still worth the same now as it was at its peak.

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      3. The Shadow
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        A very good point. I sold Michu at 7.5 this week because I think it was hurting my team for him to be taking up a position I'd rather have Cazorla in. So I bought Cazorla. If over time, Michu starts to out perform Cazorla, I'll sell Cazorla and take that 9mil and buy Michu back, or I'll bring in another player like Hazard or Gerrard, etc. with no regrets about having gotten rid of Michu previously. If Michu's justifying a value of 8.5 in a couple of weeks I'll just pay his increased price. At that time, I won't look back and say I made a bad decision selling Michu at 7.5, I'll say I made a good decision selling him, and a second good decision buying him back.

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      4. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        ^ This. well said.

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    • BMox81
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Great post Mark.

      I struggle with the whole losing value aspect.

      I lost 0.5 on Mata when Chelsea had the blank and around the same for Theo as well and even though I got points from Mata, it still annoys me that my team value had to suffer for having them and not wanting to get rid of them.

      For me, it's the fact that when I eventually sell Michu for Fellaini and his double, I'm going to have to pay over a million more or less to get Michu back in for his double and my rival will then have a better value squad than me.

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    • Monk
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Great read mark.

      I have thought about this as well and I feel like the main issue with a 100% sell value would be wildcards. People that use fiso/totalfpl could gain obscene amounts of money every day of a wildcard by getting price risers in on that day. In fact I think this is probably the main argument fpl has for keeping the current system.

      Tough to think of a suitable compromise.

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      1. The3rdTurd
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        How about this for an idea: keep the player purchases and sales data private so there is no FISO or totalfpl to use as a guide.

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        1. Mílanista
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          Noooooooooo

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        2. MCH
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          That would help to counter act it but would drive people crazy at the same time!! People are obsessed with price changes!!

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          1. Mílanista
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 22 days ago

            This. First half of the season I need my price change information dammit! πŸ™‚

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        1. Test Eagles
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          Absolutely brilliant... actually just had a little wetting of the pants!

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          1. MCH
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 22 days ago

            winner!

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            1. Test Eagles
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 22 days ago

              Chicken dinner

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    • Kings of Lyon β˜…
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      I like the idea of a price lock. Where upon purchasing a player you have the opportunity to 'lock his price'. If the player drops you can still sell for your PP. On the flip side if the player rises like Michu then you have the opportunity to sell for the CP. Again foresight is needed if for instance you only get 2 price lock options a season you would need to choose wisely and hope to get a bit of luck. Maybe im thinking about this too much.....

      Great article btw Mark.

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    • Jönny
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      I love the idea of these 'opinion' articles, and this is something I've posted about a fair bit in the past.

      I think the argument that you're being "punished" in someway is totally flawed though. You're not losing any money that you've spent from your budget, everything you get on top of what you paid for the player is profit, so by definition can't be considered a loss.

      By having the player early on you've saved money by getting them cheaper, and that money is "hidden" in the other players you've been able to buy as a result of your foresight, but it is still there.

      I think this feature is absolutely essential, and is a really clever bit of thinking by the FPL guys. By getting, say, Michu in early you've already got a jump on the majority of players - if you added in the fact that you got the full profit when you sold him on then I think most mini-leagues would be wrapped up already by this point.

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      1. MCH
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Yeh at first I didn't like it but its the first article in a long time that has kept people talking about it past the first page.

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      2. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        I think I agree Jonny. See my comment below.

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    • The Gambler.
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      I dont mind the price rules.

      2 things that do need addressed are the Captaincy and BPs

      Captaincy - double points is too much. 50% would be better.

      BPs - Amend the scoring so that someone cant get 1 or 2 pts for playing and 3 BPs! What I mean, is award say 2pts for playing up to 30 mins, 4 pts for up to 60 mins, 6 points for 60+ mins. that way the BPs dont play such a big part. Or scrap BPs and give an additional 3pts to the ACTUAL MOTM.

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      1. FACUPARSE
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Double is perfect...

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        1. The Gambler.
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          too much luck imo

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          1. Manani
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 22 days ago

            live in the matrix if you don't want luck

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      2. grapesland
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Double is good - it gives life higher highs and lower lows

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      3. Manani
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        captain double points are perfect, or else everyone would have similar score.
        the actual MOTM will cause other controversy, as people's opinion are not the same, therefore the stats BAPS is arguably the most unbiased. although the ppi allocation should change a bit IMO. things like missing penalties counting as a shot on target is just ridiculous

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        1. grapesland
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          Stats-based bonus points are the best i think, like now, but as you say, there are still some tuning left to take it closer to perfection

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          1. Manani
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 22 days ago

            there's no such thing as perfection. let the pieces fall where they may.

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            1. grapesland
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 22 days ago

              I know, but you can always get closer

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      4. The3rdTurd
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        I think double points for captaincy is fine, but I would make vice captains (if they are activated) only count 50% more.

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      5. Billy Gilmore
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        And 50% of an odd number is...

        oh

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        1. The3rdTurd
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          You could always round up or down.

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        2. potatoace
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          or , vice captains (if activated) don't get their bonus points doubled.

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    • grapesland
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Great article, tho i guess there will be other topics that i am more passionate about. The price system is ok imo, i still got michu too, but its not the price loss that has protected his place in my team, more the nailed on and always getting chances aspect.

      But, I am looking forward to the attacking midifelder vs defensive midfielder debate, cos that should be split, adding more defensive points to the pile of quality but useless midfielders in the game. Till then..

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      1. Test Eagles
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        I, also, look forward to hearing more about DMF vs AMF points. Hands up if you've ever owned Michael Carrick, Mikel or (for Doosra only) Alex Song

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        1. heco87
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          The OOP Alex Song was handy in yesteryear!

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          1. Test Eagles
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 22 days ago

            I had him once, for two or three GWs. Goal, CS, red card, chopping block

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    • Me English is improooving .…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Bossi is Back πŸ™‚

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      1. Epic Fail
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Who?

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        1. Me English is improooving .…
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          Your lost child

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          1. Epic Fail
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 22 days ago

            I have many of those.

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            1. Me English is improooving .…
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 22 days ago

              😯

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    • Manani
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      anyone tried these shisha sticks?
      http://www.shishasticks.co.uk/

      are they any good? they look good for sure!

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      1. COMH
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Never tried shisha before. Is it just a novel way to smoke?

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        1. Manani
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          nope, it is like blowing in flavoured water vapour.
          you have to try it, it is insanely good. top 10 invention all time! πŸ˜†

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    • andres
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Bego (bunn)
      Baines davies azp (harte, mariappa)
      Bale mata sissoko maloney (walcott)
      Rvp lambert suarez
      0.0, 1 FT

      A save transfer (to see how che mu goes)
      B mata to cazorla (would get hazard if che have dgw)
      C other??

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      1. Test Eagles
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Get Michu while he's über-cheap!

        Sorry... couldn't resist

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        1. Andy2
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          oooooooooooooooooooooh Xray loves his cheddar

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        2. andres
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          That's nasty

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    • Mílanista
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Great article. I find myself suffering from the same problem when it comes to selling big risers. My second half of the season tends to be worse as a consequence. I find it very irritating to only get 50% of a rise (rounded down). Having said that, if we did get 100% of the rise it would lead to team values of around 120m. This would allow expensive players in every position and no need to balance things with some good value picks.

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      1. Manani
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        the top value team has 120+m

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        1. Mílanista
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          But they're not proper teams with high ranks. They are transfer crazy second teams designed to maximise value.

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    • BEMBA DA
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      BREAKING NEWS:

      Arsenal are looking to sign Chalobah in the summer

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      1. Me English is improooving .…
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Hi Bemba πŸ™‚

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    • Tillyboggis
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      I realy think the FPL is a perfect game set up - simple enough for casuals and complex enough to spend far too much time on it (like most of us).
      Basically - if we changed the transfer values you disrupt the relatively equal balance of importance between when to buy and when to sell. Get Bale when he is hot then drop and get Santi etc (and of course the reverse which we all do at times). The joy of correctly ignoring a bandwagon and the pain when 50% of the league other than you get the bandwagonee's points.

      FWIW - the only change i would make would be to get rid of january wildcard which though i was desperate to get - ends up with dull template teams for a few weeks

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      1. grapesland
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Get rid of both wildcards imo. Isnt it just the worst when you get your initial team about right after a month of studying pre season, just so your tabloid rival can copy it in gameweek 2

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    • dadoune30
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      I dont like the idea of getting 100% profit when selling players.. Managers jumping on bandwagons and doing early transfers will have big advantage with such system.. Team value will increase by at least 2.0 GW3 using WC for international break and most managers will be tempted to use it very early to get that additional cash..
      I am one of the few who will make a loss when selling Michu this week.. bought at 8.4 and his price will drop to 8.3 by Saturday πŸ˜‰

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      1. Berbagod
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Hi Dadoune! πŸ˜€

        I agree with the early advantage part, but don't you find that it's reward for having the balls to go on a bandwagon? After all besides Michu there were plenty of other bandwagons in GW1, and it's a matter of which one you decide to stick to.

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        1. dadoune30
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 22 days ago

          Hi Berba.. I bought Michu too after GW 1 but sold when fixs got harder! What I mean is that the managers will have to change their usual strategies to adapt to this new system.. It could be a good thing for us who have access to tfpl or fiso but we only represent

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          1. Berbagod
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 22 days ago

            Absolutely understand what you mean man. I'd like the 50% profit to be kept. I just wished that you'd take a 50% loss if you sold at lower too πŸ˜›

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          2. dadoune30
            • 16 Years
            13 years, 22 days ago

            *less than 5% of the whole FPL community and i would prefer some new rules that make it harder than us.. πŸ˜‰

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    • Leaf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      I like it , it adds a different strategies to the mix

      I sold out of Michu when the fixtures turned against him mid season ...my rivals very much ended up on the set power 5 , that disadvantage can be turned into advantage for me as I can jump from player to player as I see fit , using my Michu profits .
      As (I think was you ) outlined in an earlier article most top performers from the first half of the season are not the top players in the remainder

      I'm a fixtures over a form man , and will play the good runs price rises and falls mean nothing unless u capitalise on them . Until sold rises are irrelevant

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    • Bedknobs and Boomsticks
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 22 days ago

      Great article, just like the old days:)

      I think you're wrong though, and can demonstrate it.

      Once upon a time there were two managers.

      The first was clever and insightful (lets call him Mark) and he bought Michu early at 6.6m.
      The second was lazy and feckless (lets call him Granville) and bought Michu long after his ship had sailed at 7.4 m

      If Michu is now worth 8.4m, it appears that Mark now has 7.5m to spend on a new player whereas Granville has 7.9m to spend.

      However benig a virtuous young man, Mark has the 0.8m he saved on the initial purchase price prudently invested in a non-Cypriot bank, meaning that he actually has 8.3m to spend on a new player as opposed to Granville's 7.9m

      Of course, that 0.8 m could now have been frtitered away on a brand new Leighton Baines, or it could sensibly have been invested in a nice reliable Paulo Zabaletta, but however you cut it Mark is better off.

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      1. heco87
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Perfect summary

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      2. Jönny
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Yeah spot on. I was going to write something similar, but my office is so cold my fingers aren't working properly.

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      3. grapesland
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Enjoyed reading that, well done

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      4. RoysCallerAnne
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        haha, love it B&B, best post today!

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      5. Mílanista
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 22 days ago

        Beautifully written.

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