[sbu_large_image] Opinion
25 March 2013 837 comments
Mark Mark
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Fluctuating player prices are here to stay, of that I am pretty certain. There’s no doubt in my mind that the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) game benefits from the extra dimension they bring, helping to separate the game from its rivals. Others seem to lack a significant layer of strategy without such a feature and, when Fantasy managers are able to construct replica squads, with fixed player prices, this simply adds to mid-season and end of season templates which frustrate and kill the enthusiasm in a mini-league chase.

Having said all this, like most elements of our Fantasy games and the FPL game in particular, there is merit in examining how efficiently the system works – how it governs the decisions of Fantasy managers and consider that, perhaps, there are flaws to be ironed out or improvements that can be made.

My greatest bugbear with the current system in the FPL is that I’ve always felt that insight – the forward thinking involved in acquiring a player that hits form – is punished due to the loss of funds associated with selling that player on at a later date. For my mind, the 50% lost as a result of selling a player that has risen a million or so, becomes a huge factor that can pray on the mind of a Fantasy manager. This can cause hesitation and deliberation that ultimately hands an advantage to those who are able to be more agile in their thinking because a loss of funds is not such an issue to them.

The current situation with Michu is a prime example. Currently priced at 8.4, those Fantasy managers who bought him in early around his initial valuation of 6.5 will now be faced with losing over a million as a result of shipping him out. Arguably, Michu’s form has warranted action for some time but, undoubtedly, the funds lost will have played on the minds of those who have held him for a good while; perhaps not so much at this stage in the season but it may have been a factor in weeks gone by.

Those who had more flexibility because they got Michu later, or perhaps have a smaller sum to lose, have had the advantage here. They can make their decision on the Spaniard without a significant loss of funds being an issue and react quicker to another player in form.

The counter argument is often “well you earned his points early on – that’s your reward”. The problem here is that I don’t see any reason why I shouldn’t be rewarded without being handed any disadvantage later down the line. Of course I should earn the points benefit for getting Michu early but why should this be partially balanced out by the issue of inflexibility caused by a severe loss of funds later in the season? Why should I be punished at all? My foresight surely should have gained me a win-win situation.

It’s very easy to isolate such potential flaws without putting forward solutions and, while it seems likely that this situation will remain unaddressed, it doesn’t stop me considering a number of routes that could be explored that would remove this penalty for far-sighted Fantasy managers. For starters, there could be a ruling that 100% of the price increase is gained back on players sold that were in your initial squad lineup. This would suitably reward Fantasy managers for identifying players that would go on to become leading assets over the course of the season.

This may, of course, throw the balance of the game out considerably, so how about the option to lock down a limited number of players? Perhaps contracts that could be assigned to a player in each position that you select that will always reward 100% value when you next sell them on. This would introduce a new strategic element – allowing Fantasy managers to back a handful of their squad selections, making them immune to the 50% drop.

Admittedly, I’m a Fantasy manager that often deliberates and procrastinates, a flaw that holds me back. However, the potential loss of funds from selling a player becomes a factor that only compounds this chink in my armour. While I recognise that I should be braver as a Fantasy manager and it’s perhaps this that is preventing me from breaking into the very top ranks, I’m convinced that the game mechanics associated with price rises exacerbates my problem. Maybe if I could make 100% back on Michu, I’d have sold him weeks ago and brought in Moussa Sissoko earlier and caught his points. In fact, that’s probably highly likely.

At times over the season, I feel punished for having made the right decision on a player early and have to sit back and watch other Fantasy managers enjoy more freedom with their squads – freedom which often leads to them make up the points I originally gained from my early foresight. With the points in the bag, I should be as free as them, as flexible, to make the same decisions. Basically, I should have my cake and eat it: I’ve earned it.

Price rises are surely here to stay and will continue to enrich our Fantasy experience but, for this Fantasy manager, there remains an injustice at play.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. JT's Dog
      13 years, 23 days ago

      can i declare myself a charity then and i will be able to claim tax back on players purchased

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      1. MCH
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        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        You could just move to a tax haven then you don't have to pay.

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      2. Epic Fail
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        As long as your registered charity number matches up with the database.

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      3. JT's Dog
          13 years, 23 days ago

          ok how about a trust then, like a trust for dogs

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        • MCH
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          I'm VAT registered in Ireland I should at least get that back on it.

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        • Manani
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          as long as you put caman island as your country

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      4. endardo
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        • 15 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Interesting debate - especially as I have had Michu myself since the start of the season - bought on the basis of information gained on this site, I might add. I never understood why one doesn't get the full profits from selling a player - the market wants, the market pays ... the player I would now replace Michu with at this stage of the season has long been identified by all and sundry, so he will not have risen in price anything like a long-term asset like Michu. Research rewarded the early purchase of Michu, so why be penalised on sale? So what if getting 100% of the money seemingly skews the market, in the short term when selling on, the market will adjust accordingly and hopefully good purchases will still be rewarded and bad purchases punished, as always .. it's the fun of the game, the fact it combinesendless opportunities to be astute with tgood old blind luck ... and very often one has to just suck it up after the usual unforeseen disaster. It's a great game, but a little positive tweak like this would just make it even better

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        1. roscola
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          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          The basic reason is that playing the market with 100% profit would lead to astronomical budgets - 130m would be possible.

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        2. stooshermadness
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          The problem is that full profit incentivises transfers. The only "problem", in my opinion, in the game has been the rapid acceleration of price rises/falls - driven by - just a guess - casual managers making transfers just for fun. Massive price rises/falls are a relatively new phenomena - the last year or 2. If there were a bigger disincentive to making transfers, the 'value' issue goes away in some respects.

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      5. Trigg ⭐️
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 23 days ago

        Just noticed Sagna @ 4.6 now 😯

        Whoever seems to be playing RB before the DGW, I think I'll just get them in now ... cue Wenger changing his mind or playing one in each game.

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        1. The Shadow
          • 14 Years
          13 years, 23 days ago

          I think Wenger will choose Sagna as long as he is fit and Arsenal still have a shot at fourth. Otherwise Jenkinson.

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          1. Trigg ⭐️
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            This is also my gut feeling, there's a lot at stake. But then Jenks really has come on leaps and bounds in the last year, who's to say he isn't the better RB at the minute?

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            1. The Shadow
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              If he could eliminate the stupid giveaways in front of goal, I think he would be.

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        2. JT's Dog
            13 years, 23 days ago

            would prefer jenkinson to play, cheaper and both have no history of goals or assists this season

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            1. Trigg ⭐️
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              True, but I've had a fair few Sagna assists in the past. But I'm with you, the cheaper option would be the best one all day long.

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              1. JT's Dog
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  plus cant afford sagna at moment, if only i had michu to sell

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            2. stooshermadness
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              I've been watching this for some time thinking I'd just hold Sagna for the DGW and his price keeps dropping, dropping, dropping . . . panic now setting in he won't be fit for the DGW.

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          • Crouch Potato!
            • 14 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            ROI team to play Austria, Forde, Coleman, O Shea, Clarke, Wilson, McLean, Whelan, McCarthy, Walters, Long, Sammon.

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            1. Crouch Potato!
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              SSN.

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            2. Fratboy
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Okay who said Wilson was a doubt about 5 minutes ago?

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              1. Damo.
                • 16 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Trap did.

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              2. Crouch Potato!
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Still a doubt, be decided sometime tomorrow.

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                1. Fratboy
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  If the game isn't today then why bother posting it then?

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                  1. Crouch Potato!
                    • 14 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    Trap always releases his team one day early, I am just posting his selection. I have provided the source.

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                    1. Fratboy
                      • 15 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      Fair enough, whatever makes the week go by faster I guess. Come on weekend, come onnnnnnnnn

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            3. MCH
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              So WIlson makes it after all. Would like to see Hoolahan in there he can do things no other Ireland players can could cause them some problems. Hard to see where the goals are going to come from Ireland are really lacking a goal scorer right now.

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          • SuperOsçarBaby
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Who is Michu? 🙂

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            1. Ayling Buyers Club
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Bought the loggerhead for a measly 6.5. 🙁

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            2. SuperDunny - Used to be goo…
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              A type of Pokemon i believe

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              1. SuperOsçarBaby
                • 13 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                pika..pika..pikachuuu 🙂

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                1. Fratboy
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  actually it's pika...pika....chuuuuu! OR pi-pikachu.

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                  1. SuperOsçarBaby
                    • 13 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    😀

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                    1. Fratboy
                      • 15 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      😆

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                  2. Damo.
                    • 16 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    😆 Why would you know that?

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                    1. Fratboy
                      • 15 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      Was absolutely obsessed when I was younger. Still prone to starting Pokemon Blue/Silver from the beginning on holidays. What is dead may never die.

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                      1. SuperOsçarBaby
                        • 13 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        Digimon>Pokemon

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                        1. Fratboy
                          • 15 Years
                          13 years, 23 days ago

                          Boooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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                      2. Damo.
                        • 16 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        I have no idea what Blue/Sliver is/means.

                        Quoting Game of Thrones just makes ya look worse 😛

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                        1. Fratboy
                          • 15 Years
                          13 years, 23 days ago

                          😀 Love 'em both!

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          • roscola
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            • 14 Years
            13 years, 23 days ago

            Just a little observation about the most used phrase on here at the moment "If it ain't broke don't fix it".

            Nokia didn't think their smartphone OS (Symbian Series 60) was broke, so they didn't fix it. Then Apple made the iPhone. Everything can be improved.

            (I'm not saying FPL should change the pricing system; I'm making a wider point)

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            1. The Shadow
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              New Coke.

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              1. roscola
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Everything can be impaired too 🙂

                The point is that just saying "If it ain't broke don't fix it" is a recipe for slow innovation because people rarely see problems with things they're conditioned to.

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                1. MCH
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  Apple did well trying to improve google maps too!

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                  1. roscola
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                    • 14 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    😀 That was a hilarious attempt by Apple

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            2. Epic Fail
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              I prefer the Nokia.

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              1. roscola
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                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Series 60? 😯

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                1. Epic Fail
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  Fair point. 😀
                  I would honestly go back to using a Nokia 3310 though.

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                  1. roscola
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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                    • 14 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    It was a simpler time 🙂

                    I left my iPhone 5 charger in the office last weekend and basically had no phone for the weekend (because no-one I know has the same charger 👿 ). It was liberating and nowhere near the ballache I thought it would be. I think I could go back

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                    1. thetinkerman
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                      • 14 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      I'm still living with a basic Nokia.

                      I don't see the need for a smartphone. Sure, it's handy, but not a necessity.

                      As for your original comment, a great quote from Henry Ford comes to mind:

                      “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.”

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                      1. roscola
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                        • 14 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        The Henry Ford quote is bang on 🙂

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            3. MCH
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Everything needs to evolve and FPL have done that with rule changes in the past unlike Nokia who thought they would to big to go down as football fans we know that you shouldn't think like that!

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            4. Ayling Buyers Club
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              However, I do not feel like the FPL is an everchanging thing. More like a constant thing. Sure, they make some changes to the bonus system here and there, but I do not thing they have the cojones to change something as essential as the fluctuating price system.

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              1. MCH
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Adding the wildcard was a pretty big jump in fairness.

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                1. Ayling Buyers Club
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  You mean the 2nd? I am not so sure. I don't really feel it changes that much. Feels like the January wildcard deceives you to let your guard down and make stupid mistakes, knowing you can save your bacon with the WC.

                  It is not like it changes the whole system.

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                  1. MCH
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 15 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    No the first one.

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                  2. MCH
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 15 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    Bonus points as well was a big change when it was added.

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            5. JT's Dog
                13 years, 23 days ago

                its really a silly phrase anyway, surely you are improving on current standard rather than fixing, doesnt have same ring to it but still

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            6. False no.2
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              What about a reward system whereby, for example, say you make x number of points by gameweek 10, you are rewarded with 1.0 in your bank, and then so and so forth for further gameweek intervals.

              This would also weed out those who stop playing the game early on and reward those who keep up to pace.

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              1. MCH
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                The whole point of the jan wildcard was to try get the early season deserters back later in the season this would just make them more likely to stay away.

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            7. Bubbles
              • 16 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Don't agree with this point view. I take the view that:
              - You've got the points that others haven't got from that player.
              - You've got the added value from the price rises, whilst others haven't. So your team value (player value) is greater, thus allowing you to reinvest the money earned to buy better players.

              It's far too defensive to think 'why should I be punished for hopping aboard early?'. You haven't been, imo, for the reasons I said above.

              Selling a well owned/increased value player just requires 'a set of balls'. You got the player early because you thought they'd score well. They have, fine. But if you think someone isn't going to keep up those standards then you should sell, regardless of value 'lost'. If you don't think they're going to score well, why would you keep? Value? Because that player is highly owned? Again, that's just far too defensive for my liking.

              Any player that goes on a run of scoring well is likely to be well owned, so if you sell and are wrong then yes it'll hurt, but if you're correct then you won't be stuck with that player like the majority are, and will be able to capitalize on the defensiveness of others.

              Think about a WC week. If it was 100% money back then you'd be able to get every single player that was due to rise every day, then sell the very next day for someone else about to rise. Even if they changed the amount of NTI required for a rise, to make it harder for a player to rise in value, you'd still likely get a silly amount added to your team value. And no price changes would be crap.

              I like the 50% rule, it just adds a small in-game risk element.

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              1. Bubbles
                • 16 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Probably a lot more than I meant to type, but there we go.

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                1. jimski
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  If it's time to move a player on, then I don't really think twice about what I'm "losing" on him. I'm just pleased to have made some money out of them. Sterling is perhaps a good example - noine of us really wants him back - we're all just pleased he rose lots while we (or most of us) had him. I guess Michu is trickier cos we might want him back. But so what? If you feel the time is right to sell, why worry about how to get the player back? It suggests you're not really sure you should be selling them in the first place.

                  I actually really really like the current system. One of the best things about the game.

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              2. jimski
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Heh, I was evidently writing a very similar point to one of yours at the same time as you. Good post btw.

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              3. MCH
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Good post. Would vote that up!

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              4. endardo
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Hoping I'm not patronising you by saying , hats off, well argued and I concede ... 50% profit will do, as i did indeed profit from Michu's price rise, and of course getting all those luvverly points when he was in top form

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                1. endardo
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  PS my reply is to Sir Lord Bubbles

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              5. charlie1X
                • 13 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Well made points. The system is sufficiently challenging and yet simple thus 'elegant' as it is.

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            8. jimski
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Not sure if I agree with Mark's point in the article. If you buy Michu at 6.5 and sell at 8.5, you've add 1m value to your team's selling value via just one player. That's a huge advantage over someone who bought at 8.2 or something, who would have gained very little on him.

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              1. MCH
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Yeh this was posted a lot already. Its just the amount of "tax" you pay that seems to be the main sticking point.

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              2. roscola
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                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                I think the point is that advantage/disadvantage is multi-faceted.

                Yes, you have the advantage of more points and more overall value. But on top of that you have the psychological disadvantage of knowing that if you sell now, you might not be able to buy back later because that added team value is redistributed evenly through your team.

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            9. Ayling Buyers Club
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Hmm... Davies and Suarez OUT, Baines and Berbatov IN.

              No? Okay.

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              1. MCH
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Thats looks pretty! I think we could see a good few selling Suarez to finance dgwers.

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              2. Epic Fail
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Sounds ok. I'd to it.

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                1. Ayling Buyers Club
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  I do not have much faith in Swansea onwards. And if Wilson has any injury, or Demel might not play, I feel more secure having Baines back there. Means I will only need two defenders in my XI, seeing Baines is nailed on each week.

                  However, this leaves me with Michu, whom I have ever since the beginning...

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              3. False no.2
                • 13 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                suarez out = takes balls.

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                1. Ayling Buyers Club
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  Really need some of that to climb the rankings. If I do not take charge soon, top 10k will be gone forever.

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                2. MCH
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  Jeez if he takes then when you sell him maybe I won't do it after all.

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              4. Fratboy
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                LIKE.

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              5. SuperOsçarBaby
                • 13 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                I don't like Berbatov.

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                1. heco87
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  He probably doesn't like you.

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                  1. SuperOsçarBaby
                    • 13 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    I mean - max 2 points from him this GW.

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                2. /
                  • 13 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  He told me yesterday that he doesn't like you.

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                  1. SuperOsçarBaby
                    • 13 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    link?
                    source?

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            10. The3rdTurd
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              So the general consensus seems to be that the FPL pricing system is fine thank you very much, it's just Mark who's psychologically flawed.

              All agreed? Great, let's go back to DZ-ville. 🙂

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              1. Epic Fail
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Pretty much. I do see where he's coming from though even if I don't agree entirely.

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              2. The Shadow
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Give me more psychologically flawed if it leads to more FPL discussion.

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            11. Back to Back Ballacks
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              In the article pic, Michu looks like he couldn't give a toss if anyone sells him or not!

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              1. stooshermadness
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Hahahaha !! I sold him after the cup win, figuring Swansea may not be all that committed for the rest of the season . . . I also bought into Chris Glover's 'regression' argument.

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            12. jimski
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              The thing that annoys me more about the game, though I'm not sure how one would fix it, is that once someone shows how good they are (e.g. Michu in gw1), people can immediately get them in before they rise at all. Annoying because it means that only advantage one gains out of the good sense to get them early is that one week of scoring.

              This happened to me in my mini-league - had Michu gw1, and then my main rival immediately brought him in (at his original price of 6.5) for gw2. Fair annoyed me, that did.

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              1. The3rdTurd
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                But you got the points from GW1, which he didn't.

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                1. jimski
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  True true - it still annoyed me though.

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              2. Captain Shirokov
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Tbh I was satisfied enough with my 16-odd points.

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                1. Ayling Buyers Club
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  This.

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              3. heco87
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Would've annoyed you more if you'd benched Michu in GW1.

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                1. Fratboy
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  Thought you meant you did then! Alas you got him GW2. Nice to see I wasn't the only one with VDV at some point this season 🙂

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                  1. heco87
                    • 15 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    Ha aye, fancied the early punt. Annoying thing is, I talked others into Michu GW1... often my downfall, not taking my own advice.

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                    1. Fratboy
                      • 15 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      Hmmm yeah me too really, took my first real risks in Sess and N'Zogbia and already ditched them both!

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              4. 1mills
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                The guy who's having an immense season with luck and is 63 points ahead of me got Michu in on my recommendation (usually finishes' miles behind) and I didn't bring him in.

                To compound matters when I brought him in GW2 he was so excited about GW1 he captained him, so rinsed me again!

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              5. Lord Flashheart
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                how about the free transfer you got while he is doing something you already did before?

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            13. 1mills
              • 14 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Just to throw my thoughts in (on new comment system could just comment on a point already made, without being bothered its on th pe wrong page).

              I'm on Granville and the others side. It's completely psychological.

              You gain 50% when you sell him.

              You don't lose 50%.

              As much as you have team value showing as increasing there is no advantage until the selling point.

              Ie .if someone else buys at £1 million more, then that's £1million they have spent less elsewhere, so you already have an advantage that their other 14 players cost £1million less.

              When they lose form and you both sell you still have a £0.5m advantage over that person as "reward" for buying early also in addition to the early points.

              Even if you both buy that same player back you are still £0.5m ahead of the other person.

              Like you say 100% would be unworkable and would massively make the game more about price watching.

              The good thing about current system is team value is a strategy that hardcore players are more likely to use and follow, the psychological factor of not being able to afford a player back gives the decisions more weight and means that casuals can still compete.

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              1. stooshermadness
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                • 16 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Good points, hits the nail on the head.

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              2. jimski
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Correct - it's the psychological thing about "team value" - I wish they displayed the selling value instead of or as well as the actual player value as one's "team value" - this whole thing wouldn't have quite the psychological effect if that was the case.

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              3. Still No Eye Dia
                • 13 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                The problem is that the manager may not be able to afford to buy the player back. This is the real psychological stumbling block.

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              4. BMox81
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                This is correct until you decide you want that player you sell that you've gained the 0.5 profit on back.

                I will stand to have to pay £1m more to get Michu back in for his DGW and lose 0.9 off the value of my squad

                And then the person 2nd in my league will then have the advantage in terms of value.

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            14. Carrick Doesn't Deserv…
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              saw a post a couple of pages back about the attacking midfielder vs defensive midfielder debate to make the game better. however, i think an easy way of making it a bit fairer is to introduce a system whereby you get a point for key passes. this would bring players like carrick, wilshere etc, into the game more

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              1. The3rdTurd
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Isn't a key pass what Opta now call a chance created? i.e. they would still go proportionately more to attacking mids?

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              2. Manani
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                carrick deserves more bonus points

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              3. stooshermadness
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                I don't completely understand the point system but MLS FF has incentivised attacking metrics, including key passes and some defensive metrics for defensive mids. I dn't know if it's a better system, but you aren't totally reliant on G/A/CS for points.

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              4. Epic Fail
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Possibly. It might also make it boring though. I enjoy watching games and wanting to see my players score. It's already bad enough that I'm watching my players thinking "FFS that's minus PPI".

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                1. The3rdTurd
                  • 15 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  That says more about the EA Sports PPI methodology than it does about the rest of the FPL scoring.

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              5. False no.2
                • 13 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                or at least if this was taken into consideration more for bonus point distribution. Bit boring if a striker has an average game, then pops up with a goal and grabs all 3 bonus. Obviously i wouldn't deny a striker bonus if he has been electric all game.

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              6. Parm
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                That's why I believe addition points for recovered balls(like the Euros') OR Passing/Tackling points much like the Sky game.

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                1. Parm
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  will improve the game further.

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                  1. KickIt
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 14 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    Agree

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            15. Tozier
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              13 years, 23 days ago

              Who is at the least risk of rotation out of Mertesacker, Sagna and Gibbs?

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              1. Whazza
                • 13 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                merte

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                1. Tozier
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  Thanks for the reply, I don't like the answer though...

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            16. JT's Dog
                13 years, 23 days ago

                dont see point of this debate because we will all just copy forca team next year anyway

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                1. roscola
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  That will at least make for a happier site because we won't harsh eachother

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              • Ayling Buyers Club
                • 15 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                What are the coolest kits you have seen?

                I am currently working on no pants/no short, with grass shirts. Does anybody have a better suggestion?

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                1. Manani
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  I am a nudist

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                  1. Ayling Buyers Club
                    • 15 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    I am thinking of the nudist version, myself, but the shirt is harder to make disappear, because it is covered with shadows, unlike the socks and shorts.

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                2. thetinkerman
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  My team is named around my kit 😉

                  http://fantasy.premierleague.com/entry/6026/history/

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                  1. The Shadow
                    • 14 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    Going commando looks like it's taken a step further in Germany.

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              • 1mills
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                Dear god the Michu talk and advising my rival to get him, looked at my GW1 team

                Green, Davis
                Vermaelem, Clark, Fabio, Clyne, Gunter
                Mat, Bale, Cazorla, Kagawa, Noble
                Tevez, Torres, Graham

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                1. Parm
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  Jussi, Mignolet.
                  Ivanovic, Rafael, Hughes, Clyne, Fabio.
                  Bale, Lampard, Taarabt, Maloney, Noble.
                  Rooney, Tevez, Torres.

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                2. Declan-
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  I had only 4 of those. Oh the variety 🙂 (Gunter, Bale, Torres & Graham)

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              • Messiah Hazard
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 14 Years
                13 years, 23 days ago

                General consensus is that you gain the 50% of the price rise as your opponent has brought the player at a higher price than what you paid and so has already lost some of the value of the player...

                Just had a thought to make a change in FPL...

                FPL can keep the price rise policy as it is but cap the ownership of a player at say 25% of the total players... In case more want to buy him, they need to buy him from an existing owner at the full selling price or at a price the current owner determines (maybe 125% of selling price, etc)...

                How many would go for that???

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                1. roscola
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  It would make the game interesting but I think it would become a very different game. The actual reality of the negotiating process would be hugely time consuming and would put off a lot of casuals

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                2. JT's Dog
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    so all dead teams would be sitting with rooney, rvp etc. and no way of buying from them

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                    1. Messiah Hazard
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 14 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      Did not think of this... For sure this would defeat my idea...

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                  • The3rdTurd
                    • 15 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    Too complicated for casuals.

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                  • cam
                    • 16 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    How do you find what you have paid for a player? For example I bought michu in game week 13

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                    1. Damo.
                      • 16 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      Transfers/Data View

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                      1. cam
                        • 16 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        Thanks for your help. Thinking of michu to fellani game week 33 when I wildcard

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                    2. Messiah Hazard
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 14 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      We would need a system... Maybe integrate the Player Exchange game with FPL where you know what you have brought the player for in GW1, GW2 or any other GW...

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                  • McNulty
                    • 16 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    Think that would leave too many of us on FPL at crazy hours waiting for sheep to sell their stock. If you look at the players over 25%. RVP, Suarez, Bale all over 25%? A lot would give up with their rivals having such an advantage.

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                  • Manani
                    • 14 Years
                    13 years, 23 days ago

                    complicating things.
                    if you are so on to price, play the stock fpl instead of the real one

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                3. GRIMANDI [formerly boring M…
                  • 14 Years
                  13 years, 23 days ago

                  Do people think it too dangerous for me to save a my transfer this week.
                  I want Cazorla but without getting rid of Mata or Bale its not possible?

                  Mignolet MUN (H)
                  Evans J SUN (A) Bertrand SOU (A) Wilson EVE (A)
                  Michu TOT (H) Bale SWA (A) Walcott RDG (H) Mata SOU (A)
                  Van Persie SUN (A) Benteke LIV (H) Suarez [C] AVL (A)

                  Bunn WIG (A) Sissoko MCI (A) Cameron EVE (A) Harte ARS (A)

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                  1. JT's Dog
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      you will survive without him, there is no guarantee he will score big

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                      1. GRIMANDI [formerly boring M…
                        • 14 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        Just thinking maybe swap Walcott out his form is poor & Gervinho is knocking at the door

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                    • Corkyote FFS CWC Champion 2…
                      • 13 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      I'd be more worried about your defence than squeezing cazorla in this week. Cameron Bertrand and Harte all unlikely to play. Even Evans missed out last time...

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                      1. GRIMANDI [formerly boring M…
                        • 14 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        I know what your saying. But the options available int the £4.0 price bracket are no better. I have no cash either. I had always intended to use my WC for GW36. But starting to think I should use it as soon as we find out what is happening with Utd & Chelsea.

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                        1. JT's Dog
                            13 years, 23 days ago

                            i would say as you have WC do walcott- caz, a caz big point score could compensate for missing defenders.

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                    • False no.2
                      • 13 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      any news on walcott injury absence?

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                      1. GRIMANDI [formerly boring M…
                        • 14 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        Nothing official. Fingers crossed. But Wenger probably wont want to take any risks & i have a feeling Gervinho is gonna get a start in this one

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                        1. The Shadow
                          • 14 Years
                          13 years, 23 days ago

                          I'm expecting Oxlade-Chamberlain.

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                          1. La Roja
                            • 14 Years
                            13 years, 23 days ago

                            not he starts again tomorrow

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                            1. La Roja
                              • 14 Years
                              13 years, 23 days ago

                              *if he

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                        2. roscola
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • Has Moderation Rights
                          • 14 Years
                          13 years, 23 days ago

                          Annoyingly, if it wasn't Reading he'd have more chance of playing

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                          1. thetinkerman
                            • Has Moderation Rights
                            • 14 Years
                            13 years, 23 days ago

                            That's one of the shortcomings of playing the fixtures. Annoyingly, players are more likely to miss out against weaker opposition due to fitness doubts, rest or rotation

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                            1. roscola
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • Has Moderation Rights
                              • 14 Years
                              13 years, 23 days ago

                              That's very true, I hadn't thought of that

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                      2. The3rdTurd
                        • 15 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        Physioroom think no chance for this weekend.

                        https://twitter.com/physioroom/status/316179561597501440

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                        1. False no.2
                          • 13 Years
                          13 years, 23 days ago

                          out for cazorla, then.

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                    • False no.2
                      • 13 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      Anyone wildcarding in GW33?

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                      1. False no.2
                        • 13 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        or for GW33, I should say.

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                      2. Declan-
                        • 14 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        I think I will. Don't like the idea of a Gw36 wc. I think i'll get more benefit from playing it earlier

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                        1. Captain Shirokov
                          • 14 Years
                          13 years, 23 days ago

                          Me too.

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                          1. False no.2
                            • 13 Years
                            13 years, 23 days ago

                            Yeah agree. I'm not really understanding this gw36 tactic. Doesn't leave you with many gameweeks left!

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                      3. Crouch Potato!
                        • 14 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        Spoke about it yesterday, looks the way for me, so few gws left, time to attack. Aso can bring in players and bench, who will play in gw 36.

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                      4. cam
                        • 16 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        I am

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                      5. LOCO ABREU
                        • 14 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        I'm thinking gw 36 but we will see.

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                    • u01nrd2
                      • 15 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      How about if they rise by a caetain threshold you get a larger percentage? i.e. £1M rise and you get £0.7M the profit?

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                    • Paolo Di Laernu - low rep r…
                      • 14 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      Just logged on there but glad to see there's a new opinion-based article. I think this place needs more stuff like this!! Good job, Mark 🙂

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                      1. Declan-
                        • 14 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        +1 My opinion is different though. Can I interest you in joining a large Irish contingent in Team Australia 🙂

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                        1. HVT
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 15 Years
                          13 years, 23 days ago

                          That spot is reserved for some one decent , honourable and someone who has your back and won't let you down Declan - we're surely not going to the lows some teams are going to get players at all costs - let em rot I say to walk the plank and swim with Sharks !

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                      2. The Shadow
                        • 14 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        I think it needs more cowbell.

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjsUf_oIgp0

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                    • FACUPARSE
                      • 13 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      So now it's looking like Walcott is out anyone going for Gervinho/Oxlade? Is Podolski out?

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                      1. Corkyote FFS CWC Champion 2…
                        • 13 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        Not for me, just going to play Sissoko rather than benching him.

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                      2. False no.2
                        • 13 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        no pod played for Germany other day.

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                      3. The Shadow
                        • 14 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        No certainty which will play. Podolski played 20 mins for Germany over the weekend so might be in the mix again as well.

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                    • cassanata
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 16 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      Just on the article I don't agree that the 50% loss is too much. With the example of Michu I have never had him in my team once this season and am in the top 100. It was my strategy to play 3 expensive midfielders and 2 cheap, he didn't fall into this strategy so didn't pick him. After building up my team value I was able to upgrade a cheap midfielder to Fellaini in the New Year.

                      I also got rid of RVP having bought him at his cheapest so took a fair hit on value but paid off on points. I think the 50% helps separate managers who have and don't have one attribute. That attribute is called "Balls"!

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                    • Still No Eye Dia
                      • 13 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      Excellent article, Mark. Look forward to the others. 🙂

                      As to your suggestions, the second is intriguing but I think the first is as likely to reward luck as judgment since gw1 is, let's face it, a lottery. What about those who put in the research and came up with Kagawa/Giroud? Michu was a real unexpected find, after all.

                      Doesn't really apply to me btw as I was pretty much a casual at start of season. I was scrambling to fix my squad on the Friday night when I realised we weren't getting a free pass on gw1 like last season :oops:.

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                    • Crouch Potato!
                      • 14 Years
                      13 years, 23 days ago

                      Reading very close to signing Nigel Atkins, possibly by this evening, SSN.

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                      1. LOCO ABREU
                        • 14 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        finaly a manager.

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                      2. cassanata
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 16 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        At the start of the season I wanted Southampton to stay up but after the way Atkins was fired I would like him to keep Reading and Southampton to go down. Won't happen that way though.

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                      3. Still No Eye Dia
                        • 13 Years
                        13 years, 23 days ago

                        Good move, looking to next season and a re-promotion campaign.

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