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25 March 2013 837 comments
Mark Mark
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Fluctuating player prices are here to stay, of that I am pretty certain. There’s no doubt in my mind that the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) game benefits from the extra dimension they bring, helping to separate the game from its rivals. Others seem to lack a significant layer of strategy without such a feature and, when Fantasy managers are able to construct replica squads, with fixed player prices, this simply adds to mid-season and end of season templates which frustrate and kill the enthusiasm in a mini-league chase.

Having said all this, like most elements of our Fantasy games and the FPL game in particular, there is merit in examining how efficiently the system works – how it governs the decisions of Fantasy managers and consider that, perhaps, there are flaws to be ironed out or improvements that can be made.

My greatest bugbear with the current system in the FPL is that I’ve always felt that insight – the forward thinking involved in acquiring a player that hits form – is punished due to the loss of funds associated with selling that player on at a later date. For my mind, the 50% lost as a result of selling a player that has risen a million or so, becomes a huge factor that can pray on the mind of a Fantasy manager. This can cause hesitation and deliberation that ultimately hands an advantage to those who are able to be more agile in their thinking because a loss of funds is not such an issue to them.

The current situation with Michu is a prime example. Currently priced at 8.4, those Fantasy managers who bought him in early around his initial valuation of 6.5 will now be faced with losing over a million as a result of shipping him out. Arguably, Michu’s form has warranted action for some time but, undoubtedly, the funds lost will have played on the minds of those who have held him for a good while; perhaps not so much at this stage in the season but it may have been a factor in weeks gone by.

Those who had more flexibility because they got Michu later, or perhaps have a smaller sum to lose, have had the advantage here. They can make their decision on the Spaniard without a significant loss of funds being an issue and react quicker to another player in form.

The counter argument is often “well you earned his points early on – that’s your reward”. The problem here is that I don’t see any reason why I shouldn’t be rewarded without being handed any disadvantage later down the line. Of course I should earn the points benefit for getting Michu early but why should this be partially balanced out by the issue of inflexibility caused by a severe loss of funds later in the season? Why should I be punished at all? My foresight surely should have gained me a win-win situation.

It’s very easy to isolate such potential flaws without putting forward solutions and, while it seems likely that this situation will remain unaddressed, it doesn’t stop me considering a number of routes that could be explored that would remove this penalty for far-sighted Fantasy managers. For starters, there could be a ruling that 100% of the price increase is gained back on players sold that were in your initial squad lineup. This would suitably reward Fantasy managers for identifying players that would go on to become leading assets over the course of the season.

This may, of course, throw the balance of the game out considerably, so how about the option to lock down a limited number of players? Perhaps contracts that could be assigned to a player in each position that you select that will always reward 100% value when you next sell them on. This would introduce a new strategic element – allowing Fantasy managers to back a handful of their squad selections, making them immune to the 50% drop.

Admittedly, I’m a Fantasy manager that often deliberates and procrastinates, a flaw that holds me back. However, the potential loss of funds from selling a player becomes a factor that only compounds this chink in my armour. While I recognise that I should be braver as a Fantasy manager and it’s perhaps this that is preventing me from breaking into the very top ranks, I’m convinced that the game mechanics associated with price rises exacerbates my problem. Maybe if I could make 100% back on Michu, I’d have sold him weeks ago and brought in Moussa Sissoko earlier and caught his points. In fact, that’s probably highly likely.

At times over the season, I feel punished for having made the right decision on a player early and have to sit back and watch other Fantasy managers enjoy more freedom with their squads – freedom which often leads to them make up the points I originally gained from my early foresight. With the points in the bag, I should be as free as them, as flexible, to make the same decisions. Basically, I should have my cake and eat it: I’ve earned it.

Price rises are surely here to stay and will continue to enrich our Fantasy experience but, for this Fantasy manager, there remains an injustice at play.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

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  1. Mark
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    13 years, 28 days ago

    Let's wipe the international break sleep from our eyes with some opinion. Been meaning to get some pieces like this out for a while. A few more on the way to be published ad hoc.

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    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      First*

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      1. Billy Gilmore
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        *votes down*

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    2. thehut
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      Nothing like a good moan eh 😛 Wouldn't it be better if we got 100% of the rise for all players in lieu of 50%? Why 50% in the first place?

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      1. Mark
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        Presumably its a factor that bridges the gap between the hardcore and casual player. With the ability to play the market, I don't think 100% back on all players over the season is feasible. As I suggest, perhaps it could be on the initial lineup selections or on a small section of players that can be handpicked. It's a hardcore ruling but, this is another argument, is it time to introduce more decisions to give the hardcore more to play with?

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        1. Saniul
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 28 days ago

          The best thing about Fantasy Premier League game is its simplicity. Now, wouldn't those complicated rules deter a lot of casual players, who just log in once a week, make their tramsfer, and come back after seven days. We can't really ignore them since I believe they atleast constitute 50% of FPL managers.

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        2. Stykes
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 28 days ago

          I really like your idea of having one contract per position to lock the price with. I'd love to see another dimension added to an already highly addictive game (even in my first season!). I think casuals can play as they have, and only very minor attention to this without too much of a disadvantage, while we can waste more time trying to figure out a way to manage this as effectively as possible. Cool concept.

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        3. PDM TOP 1,000 any Season rc…
          • 16 Years
          13 years, 28 days ago

          If people are miffed about price rises and falls then don't play it then .... Or FPL could scrap them all together like OTHER formats .... but that would be crazy !!!!!

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    3. Chrissy Waddle - 2025/26
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      Great piece.

      It is exactly issues of loss of value that stops me selling Michu|RVP|Suarez for any short periods due to loss of form.

      Last year I hung onto Bale thoughout his poor end of season run for this very reason.

      I am a player that attempts to acquire a strong team value to help build a strong squad post Jan WC.

      The idea of flagging several players to hold value when selling is good, offering more flexibility in the transfer market.

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    4. Dynamo Chicken
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      As part of my genius plan to gain some value when using my wildcard I accidently took out Michu before bringing him back in again. A mistake I would like to think that I will only make once.

      It helped me move to Sissoko but it will always haunt me

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    5. charlie1X
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      Isn't it is your glass half empty or half full. Whenever I sell a player for profit knowing I'm bringing in a more in form player with better fixtures, I feel great!

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    6. PDM TOP 1,000 any Season rc…
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      Not really a debate issue IMO ..... You've gained loads of points in the players rise in value , which has probably rocketed you up the rankings ..... And now people feel hard done by if sold and the brought back later ....
      The rules are known from the start so lump I think !

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  2. Portuguese&Proud
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    nice article.. 😉

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    1. OPTA FPL
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      What does it say?

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      1. Portuguese&Proud
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        the what's and if's of price rises... and jumping on and off bandwagons 😉

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  3. /
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    Apparently Guadiola’s brother is Suarez’s agent.

    Looks like he’ll almost certainly be heading to Germany in the summer.

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    1. OPTA FPL
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      Nope

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    2. MCH
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      13 years, 28 days ago

      seriously...

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        1. MCH
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          13 years, 28 days ago

          its in the daily mail no quotes it must be real! You think Suarez will move country just because he agent has a brother who works there? Seriously?

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  4. Saniul
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    Really well-knit article. Looking forward to more of these, Mark.

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  5. the Penman
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    • 14 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    Surely the reward of getting (say) Michu earlier is that you have £1m more to invest in your squad now than someone looking to fit him in now?

    Although I do think the resell should be higher than 50%, just not 100%.

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    1. Mark
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      • 19 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      That's only a factor if Michu maintained his current form that earned him the price rise in the first place, thus keeping him a hot property. Typically, players will rise rapidly with strong form but, once that form drops, the advantage you talk about is somewhat lost as the masses move on to the next player in form, leaving me wondering whether I should take a 50% hit and move on with them.

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  6. Epic Fail
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    You may 'lose' 1 million on Michu, but you have actually gained 1 million. Which you wouldn't have if you never brought him in.

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    1. Mark
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      Yes but you only gain that 1 million when you sell on - which you can be reluctant to do due to the other 1 million you lose which will mean you may never be able to recall this player to your squad.

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        • 13 Years
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        +1

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      2. Epic Fail
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        I do see where you're coming from, I just wouldn't call it a disadvantage. You're in a far better position than someone who never brought him in.

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        1. Mark
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          I am at a better position until that player starts to drop in form. Then the situation swings. Those with more flexibility are able to react quickly and get on board with other form players, while I'm left wondering if I should sell and take the loss. That hesitation can see my early advantage fade - I could even be at a loss if I miss out on a spectacular burst from another player in the same position.

          Yes I can blame my own hesitation but, if the price loss is a factor, do you not think this is an issue?

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          1. The Blackadder
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            • 13 Years
            13 years, 28 days ago

            So true in my case too Mark, it's a major factor in why I still have Begovic/RVP/Michu + Walcott/Mata and Suarez (to a point) I know that I put too much stress in team value to want to take bigs hits in that area, but it sure is beginning to feel like I'm stuck in the mud. Rank is still ok, but feel, like you, if I was less hesitant and a little braver, I could certainly improve.

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  7. Granville
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    13 years, 28 days ago

    Mark, you're stuck in a pychological headspin of your own making here. You're not losing anything, and if you buy him back you're just aligning yourself with everyone else that got him for the increased price, yet you've pocketed the profit.
    I've had Michu from GW1 at 6.5m and I see it that I'm holding onto a player whose value far exceeds my initial outlay, and yes it does make you think twice about selling him, but not for the reasons you state. I don't feel that I'm at anymore a disdadvantage than people who bought him late and missed a truck load of points. There are no guarantees in this game that money = points, and whoever you sell him for, you'll be in exactly the same position because you'll be buying a player based on a set of previously scored points of which you have no access to.

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    1. Corkyote FFS CWC Champion 2…
      • 13 Years
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      *your 😉

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      1. Granville
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        fixed 😉

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        1. Billy Gilmore
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 28 days ago

          Cheeky! 😀

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    2. roscola
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      • 14 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      Isn't it the fear of possibly wanting to buy him back that's the problem? If you know for a fact that you never want them again then there's no issue.

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      1. Granville
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        13 years, 28 days ago

        This is true. It's probably time to sell for me too, but I've actually got other transfers which will take priority this week I think.

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    3. FPL Daniel
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      I agree with G-G-Gramville on this one.

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      1. thattreblefeeling
        • 14 Years
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        Cheerleader 🙂

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  8. Jake Donahue
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    Great article

    I think along the same lines Mark, i got rid of Michu this GW and even with his horrible form I was still not 100% comfortable with the transfer as I had him since GW 1 and to a certain extent still not happy about the switch (Michu to Caz).

    The price rise and fall is great and sets the FPL apart from other games and allows most of us overly obsessed managers a chance to gain some advantage over our "look at our team once a week" rivals.

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    1. MCH
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      • 15 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      I don't think it should have been an article at all. You make a profit you pay a tax you still get plenty of profit out of the deal.

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      1. Jake Donahue
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        13 years, 28 days ago

        Take it you struggle to think for yourself and pick up players early.

        I imagine you jump on alot of bandwagons?

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        1. MCH
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          • 15 Years
          13 years, 28 days ago

          Lol you just copied what was said in the article and I am the one who can't think for myself! Have a look at my team value and see if you think I catch a lot of bandwagons!

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          1. Jake Donahue
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            • 15 Years
            13 years, 28 days ago

            Have not got the time to look at your team in depth but would imagine by looking at your TV and number of transfers / hits you jump on alot of bandwagons a couple weeks late.

            This in itself is not a bad thing as its better to be on a bandwagon late than not at all (as i am guilty of).

            Seems to be working for you....nice rank

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            1. MCH
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              • 15 Years
              13 years, 28 days ago

              Thanks same for you anyone in the top 5k at this point knows what they are doing. This season has been a bit of an anomaly with points hits for me i've taken more this season than the last two seasons combined just the way it has gone with injuries and missing games.

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      2. Mark
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        13 years, 28 days ago

        It's not the profit that's the factor, it's the hesitancy bred by the loss that could cause me to hold on to a player too long while others reel back my points advantage by being able to move for a form player quicker.

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        1. charlie1X
          • 13 Years
          13 years, 28 days ago

          I find someone like van Persie more of an issue as you have to go to cash and either take hits or else delays to put the cash to work.

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  9. SuperOsçarBaby
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    *repost
    For GW33 – Pick one.

    a- Carroll + Jenkinson/Gibbs/Monreal

    b- Podolski + any West Ham defs

    c- Fabianski + Evra

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    1. blokeman
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      D. Carroll and Mertsesacker

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  10. Spencer
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    Best article I've read in a while Mark.

    If only I could give you some rep!

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    1. Mark
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      13 years, 28 days ago

      Hehe...indeed.

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    2. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      He's not even a member of his own site... 🙄

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  11. tm245
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    Intriguing piece. Nice read, provoked thought ... completely disagree, though. 105-110 is not the baseline budget, 100m is -- we have all profited to some level. Michu's points in Aug and Sept are the real reward, right?

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    1. MCH
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      13 years, 28 days ago

      Glad someone else agrees!!

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      1. tm245
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        I, for one, am looking to cash in on the Fellaini drop that will be fueled by the so-called casuals who really drive the market. Not sure if that is more or less fair, but I look forward to his fall nonetheless.

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    2. Mark
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      Yep, the points are the reward but, those who got rid of Michu for Sissoko weeks ago, got a chunk of that back. Why didn't I consider the move? Because I'd have lost over a million and would never have been able to get Michu back.

      My point is, sometimes not getting these players can balance out over the season because it can grant you flexibility to go with form quickly and not hesitate. This can see you close the advantage on those who got on rising players early.

      Arguably it shouldn't - there shouldn't be a disadvantage from getting good early points from a player. I should have those points and the same squad flexibility.

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      1. tm245
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        The lack of flexibility is perception, though, for many of us. Just as arguably, Michu should have become Sissoko because of future returns, not previous ones. The power five template spoiled us all since Michu and Fellaini were both delivering 2-3 m value greater than their actual prices. Isn't this a giant market correction, which is what we are playing with price rises anyway?

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  12. Jonah
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    13 years, 28 days ago

    I remember you first moaning about this back in the days when Flourent Malouda started off on a blinder for Chelsea, over three years ago!

    I don't think any system more complicated than 0%, 50% or 100% of the profit made on a player can be retained. At 50%, the current system is already too complicated in a way; I bet most fantasy managers out there don't have a clue how it works as it is.

    Maybe initial line-up gets 100% rises is the way forward. Means only a very few players would ever get the profits that you're talking about though. How many had Michu or Van Persie from the start, for example? I know I did, but you can't count for outliers.

    Would you be happy if, in this situation, I was getting the extra profit on Michu and you weren't Mark?

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    1. Mark
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      Spot on Jonah. I even took the Malouda case to the FPL and was told "well you have the advantage of Malouda's points". Never mind the fact that others had earned more points by getting rid earlier than me while I hesitated over the 1.2 I'd lose.

      To answer your question, I would be happy on you getting profit on Michu if you had specifically identified him as a player who could escalate in price by giving him a contract which earned you 100% back instead of the 50% that I earned perhaps when I signed him. That would be your good decision, made at the point you signed him and would represent great foresight.

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      1. Jonah
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        • 15 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        Interesting to know that's their official stance.

        If you want my honest opinion, I agree with Granville. A perfectly logical fantasy manager, e.g. Chris Atkinson, would never have an issue with this.

        You're just as capable of selling the player if you wants, and pocketing the profit which a manager who paid more for Michu will not get. If the rest of the market genuinely have an advantage any of us early adopters could have sold Michu on our winter wildcards, then realigned ourselves, if we wanted. But of course we doesn't - it's the earlier adopters who have a well-earned advantage; we just need to be strong enough to work out when to sell and use the profit we've made.

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    2. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      But that would hardly be fair on someone who planned to get someone in for the majority of the season, like RVP. As he was just moving to United I decided to get Torres (LOL) in for GW1, and then got RVP in GW3. Should I be punished for that? I don't think so.

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        Ahhh Malouda. Great memories I got him for all goals and sold him very early. It was the right decision. A lot of lads were against but I kept climbing in the making. And he was owned by almost 40 % of managers. Thanks for reminding me.. Great top 100 season, that was

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  13. Get up ya bum
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    Interesting article. Personally I think they have it right as is.

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  14. roscola
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    Excellent article. More like this please. We all like and rely on the routine articles but the one-offs are great too.

    One solution could be that if you're buying a player you've owned before, you always buy a player at your last selling price. Of course, there needs to be something to stop someone buying lots of players early on to bag their lowest price in case they go up later. Minimum two week ownership or something.

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    1. roscola
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      I just realised my assumption here - I'm assuming that the problem is that you fear the possibility of wanting to buy the player back in the future. If you never buy them back then you lose nothing.

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    2. Mark
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      Another interesting approach. My main point is, the system isn't perfect. I'm pretty convinced there's a flaw here which certainly plays a part in my decision making. Owning players who rise in price adds a variable which can limit the likelihood that I will consider or take a risk and try to jump on a player who has good fixtures or is coming into form.

      I'm raising this because I'm not sure my own hesitation is 100% to blame - I just think the price rises play their part in restricting our thinking on occasions and, in some cases, that's not entirely justified when it involves good initial foresight.

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      1. FPL Daniel
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        Prices - First part
        Points - Second part

        It doesn't matter anymore. I am ready to lose a lot of money for pts

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      2. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        In the real world managers have to gamble on young players or else pay through the nose for older ones. You can see the wages you pay them and the training you give them as part of the dent in your profit.

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  15. Saniul
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    Actually, it isn't the most terrible idea. Casual managers mainly make their transfers in the first couple of weeks, and then stop playing. Hence, those are the weeks where there are insane price rises. I would rather say, 100% rise for all players bought in the first 4-5 weeks. That would be better.

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  16. Shane Warnes Flipper
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    As said by other posters the benefit is from the 50% you made, not the 50% lost at selling point.

    I was not on Michu at the very beginning and his price rose so steeply that I did not get on board until the recent Swansea double gameweek. Whilst I may have an advantage in that I was not tied to how much I lost when I sold him on, I did have to buy him at a price £2m above his original purchase price.

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  17. BR
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    "Having said all this, like most elements of our Fantasy games and the FPL game in particular, there is merit in examining how *efficient* the system works"

    Shouldn't that be 'efficiently'?

    I can't say I agree with this, surely you should just be happy that you've done well out of him?

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  18. Granville
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    13 years, 28 days ago

    The ironic thing is, you are moaning, but you didn't even get him in that early, having only bought him after rising to 7.1m.

    What about those that bought him before you did? Oh they've got the points.

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    1. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      😆

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    2. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      😯 😀

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  19. Judas
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    Do people think Federici will be fit to play against Arsenal on saturday? As I have a keeper problem with him injured and Bunn suspended

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  20. Crouch Potato!
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    I feel the speed of rise's and falls GKs is too static. Many gks without being impressive can finish the season on practically the same price.

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    1. MCH
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      13 years, 28 days ago

      If they haven't been impressive surely they should finish on the same price because FPL have judged it right?

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      1. Crouch Potato!
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        In other areas, their price would actively decrease. Why should a keeper who has had a poor season starting at a price of 5mil, cost the same next season?

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        1. MCH
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          Oh I read it wrong I thought start the season and finish the season without much fluctuation which would indicate a mediocre season with little transfer activity not that after a poor season they would start the next with the same value. Yeh I agree with you now although it would depend on their history if a team/keeper has a history of being tight at the back and has seen few changes at the club I don't think one poor season should see their price drop dramatically. For example say next season Stoke some how kept zero clean sheet (and somehow stayed up) I don't think Begovics price should plumit much like the hall of fame seasons previous to that should be taken into account but with a lower weighting.

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    2. COMH
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      Vorm and Krul saw fairly big rises last season did they not?

      I think this season there is alot more choice for cheap keepers without there being a stand out option.

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  21. COMH
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    13 years, 28 days ago

    Solid article Mark. Great insight 😉

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  22. PC ALLSTARS
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    What diffs are people thinking, might go Osman/Pienaar/Coleman, i want Afro but everyone will get him!
    Same with Theo & Santi but don't think Wilshire or any other Ars mids will do much.

    I want Berbs, but I'm happy with Suarez Lambert & Rvp.

    Also if Chelsea beat Utd in the cup they won't play Spurs so what will folk do with Bale bench or sell?

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  23. Berbagod
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    Kudos on the Opinions piece FFS team, (and Mark of course) would like to put my 2 cents forth while it's early:

    While I understand your gripe with being unable to let go of investments that require foresight (I too had Michu pre-GW1) foresight comes in two parts: Picking the player up, as knowing when to let go. If you think about it, you only "truly" lose a player's value when you buy him back immediately; When you sell a player, the 50% profit you make off the player can also be used to reinvest in other parts of your squad.

    Admittedly I have attempted to use this strategy to my advantage myself. I bought Michu at 6.5, sold him to make some profit (at the expense of a few hits) but come Wildcard time in winter, I had enough funds to deploy the "power 5" whilst having RVP and Suarez up front without any Reading players in defense.

    I hope that my argument isn't lost in the long sentences. I really feel that foresight has two parts to it: Picking a player up early and letting him go early too. Michu seems to be a unique case where significant value is "lost" by selling him, whereas players who fluctuated in price heavily such as Suarez, Mata, Walcott and RVP could have seen many managers make real profits, earning points (through a good transfer policy) whilst increasing their team value.

    Once again, you only "lose value" when you BUY THE PLAYER BACK and you keep him for life. Shoutout to Mark because I've never spoken to him before! 😀

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    1. denial
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      Yeah, I agree with this. Buying Michu early on will have certainly benefited owners in more ways than just his points. If you've stuck or sold, the impact on the rest of the squad in terms of what you can afford compared to other players is obvious.

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    2. Mark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 19 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      Superb points that would get you a big vote up from me in HomeCrowd.

      I had never really considered the decision on when to sell on as part of the foresight package to be honest. I guess I was looking for the reward from my initial decision and trying to lay blame for the second aspect which is when to have the balls to sell on.

      I do still think that some of the mechanics at play here could be improved, though - just something that would offer further reward to those who make good early decisions on players.

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      1. Berbagod
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        Yea of course. Just like in stocks (in general) while it is ideal to catch a stock at it's lowest price before it starts rising, you'll have to sell at its "peak" as well before it starts declining. You just need a suitable metric to tell you when to pick up and when to let go 😉

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      2. charlie1X
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        Keep telling yourself he is dead to me! It helps you to be strong.

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  24. Dynamo Chicken
    • 15 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    The price change system really does set this game apart. Similar to the starting squad idea I would like my final squad to roll over to next season. The last few weeks of the season could then be spent scouting prospects and building next years team at cheaper prices. This would make the game more realistic.

    I am playing another game that has no gameweeks which also adds a nice element. You can make transfers right up to kick off and scan the kick off times to gain double game weeks.

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    1. MCH
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      If it rolled over it would kill the game you would have long term players who understand the game better having a massive advantage at the start of the season and give new players absolutely no chance.

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      1. Dynamo Chicken
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        Like in real football; big clubs have more money and a long term strategy. There is still glory in the lower echelons of the football league.

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        1. MCH
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 28 days ago

          Real life glory is very different I can't see many players sticking around if all they could ever hope for was to squeeze into the top million while the Man Citys of the FPL world bought a fantasy dream team.

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          1. Dynamo Chicken
            • 15 Years
            13 years, 28 days ago

            yeah you're right..

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    2. SackWenger
      • 16 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      You would just make a crazy number of transfers to generate value knowing that everyone starts with zero points the following season, yet you have more funds. Not going to happen.

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      1. Dynamo Chicken
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        Good points.. I think I should be rewarded somehow for spotting future talent early but it's tricky to work out how to do this. As someone else rightly said part of the beauty of the game is it's simplicity

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  25. COMH
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    A great song from a hugely underrated band.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1lksol9Fx8

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  26. FACUPARSE
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    Just watched the England 8-0 win.

    Oxlade Chamberlin looked very good. I might take a punt on him this weekend. I can see Arsenal having a similar scoreline.

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    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      He may not even play.

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      1. FACUPARSE
        • 13 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        Your always with boring negative remarks. He started the last game for Arsenal and England and is on form...

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        1. Epic Fail
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 28 days ago

          It's true, but ok he's 100% nailed on, you're right.

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          1. FACUPARSE
            • 13 Years
            13 years, 28 days ago

            Did you read my "might take a punt" part of my statement? Have you never gambled on anything in your life? your comments are pretty obvious and a waste of time, and as an Arsenal fan I know my team better than you do.

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            1. Epic Fail
              • 15 Years
              13 years, 28 days ago

              Why you mad, bro?

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  27. denial
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    Good article and timely. Thinking of ditching Michu this week. It's not the money I'd lose on him that bothers me, it's the near-50% ownership. If he scores a brace against Spurs, it's going to hurt. We've got to that stage in the season where it's all about taking some risks and breaking up the 'template teams,' but for me, it's also about what my aims are for the season. I'm currently 1.8k overall and pretty much wrapped up mini-leagues. Do I want/need to take a risk like ditching a high-ownership player or do I play it fairly safe and 'block' most other players moves?

    I reckon I will ditch him though. Maybe after Spurs.

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    1. Berbagod
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      Well it depends. Out of the 50% odd managers who still have Michu, how many are anywhere close to you in the minileagues? Surely you'd have opened a gap over them over the last couple of weeks my NOT having him. (That's the theory anyway).

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      1. denial
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        I could sit and look through all the teams around me to see if they own Michu I suppose, but that would be a massive waste of time! Basically Lamps or Santi are going to score more than him in the run-in, I reckon that's a fairly safe bet.

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        1. Berbagod
          • 15 Years
          13 years, 28 days ago

          Of course. Its' why I've let go of Michu since January and loaded up on the "top 4 chasers" midfielders. And my rank has soared as a result (bar thlast GW where all the Hazard owners wiped my team). I'm still trying to gate-crash the top 50-100k from 1.3 million rank you see.

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    2. Pilko's Pump Pants
      • 14 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      I'm in almost exactly the same boat as you with both overall position and mini-league - the 50% ownership could definitely hurt if he does come good, but the extra points we stand to gain by dumping him could be an equally great differential bonus - i have my sights on the top 1k now, and i'd rather be brave and fall spectacularly short, than play safe, risk nothing and sit on my current position until GW 38... definitely more to regret if you don't go for it in my opinion...

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  28. blokeman
    • 14 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    My quick stab at a WC team

    DDG, ROBLES
    COLE MCCARTNEY MERTESACKER DAVIES SENDEROS
    LAMPARD FELLAINI Bale MALONEY CAZORLA
    BERBATOV Benteke RVP

    Berate away

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    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      Another DGW striker.

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      1. blokeman
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        KONE

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    2. MCH
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      Benteke to Kone for GW36 the plan?

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      1. blokeman
        • 14 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        Yes, by then the relegation picture will be clearer.

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    3. Corkyote FFS CWC Champion 2…
      • 13 Years
      13 years, 28 days ago

      I wouldn't bother with McCartney personally and Reither has to be a better pick than Senderos. Nice team though.

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      1. MCH
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        13 years, 28 days ago

        Yeh good point Reither is the one to go for.

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  29. Plymouth
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    Not rational thinking

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  30. /
    • 13 Years
    13 years, 28 days ago

    So is the general consensus that it's time to sell Michu?

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