[sbu_large_image] Moving Target
7 July 2013 1485 comments
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Michael Laudrup’s summer spending spree continued to pick up pace earlier this week with the acquisition of Jonjo Shelvey from Liverpool for a fee around £5m. The 21-year-old rolls up to the Liberty on a four-year contract and is the fifth player to be snapped up by the Swansea boss over the last few weeks, following the arrival of Jordi Amat, Jose Canas and Alejandro Pozuelo, in addition to Jonathan de Guzman’s return on a further season-long loan deal:

Speaking to the Swans official website upon completion of the deal, Shelvey admitted the club’s style of play, allied with the opportunity of increased game time, were fundamental to his decision to move to the Welsh outfit:

“Leaving a club like Liverpool is a very hard decision to make, but coming to Swansea, who play similar football which Brendan (Rodgers) and managers before him installed here, is an attraction. Brendan said he wouldn’t let me go to a club that wasn’t right for me. He said Swansea are perfect for me with the way I play. Rather than sit on the bench every week at Liverpool, I need to come and play football and get myself to the status that I once had. Moving here will help me in terms of the way the manager wants to play. Obviously having worked under Brendan that will stand me in good stead.”

The History

A product of the Arsenal and West Ham youth academies, Shelvey was picked up by Charlton as a youngster back in 2007. Having scored 14 times in 23 appearances for the Under 18s in 2007/08, he was promoted to the senior side the following year and, after becoming the club’s youngest ever first-team player, went on to produce seven goals and five assists from 42 games in the Championship.

Signed by Liverpool in May 2010, Shelvey managed just a single assist from 15 appearances in his debut campaign on Merseyside. Farmed out to Championship side Blackpool the following year, the midfielder made an immediate impact, producing six goals and three assists in just 10 matches before he was recalled to Merseyside as a result of injuries to the likes of Lucas and Steven Gerrard. Back at Anfield, he again failed to produce the goods – notching just once in 13 matches over the remainder of the season.

In Brendan Rodgers’ first term in charge, Shelvey made nine starts and 10 appearances off the bench but was unable to make any real impression, mustering a single strike in the league last time round. Ironically, he was far more prolific in the Europa League for the Reds last season, notching four times in nine matches. On the international stage, Shelvey has represented England at every level from Under 16 to Under 21, scoring 10 times in 29 appearances, and has also turned out for the senior side once, climbing off the bench to feature against San Marino in October last year.

The Prospects

In the main, Shelvey’s move to Swansea has been greeted with a large degree of scepticism, though reports indicate Michael Laudrup was keen to push the move through.

Although Shelvey is versatile enough to play in a deeper, central position in addition to the role in “the hole”, there’s no doubt he has real competition to nail down a regular spot under Laudrup. The likes of Leon Britton, Ki Sung-Yeung, de Guzman and Canas could vie for the “double pivot” positions in Laudrup’s preferred 4-2-3-1, while Pozuelo, de Guzman, Pablo Hernandez and Wayne Routledge all offer alternatives to Michu as the most advanced midfielder behind a lone forward.

There’s an argument that Shelvey’s more physical approach may help his game time if the Swans boss is looking for a little extra steel in front of the back-four, though from a Fantasy perspective, such a scenario hardly boosts his appeal. Further up the field, he’s only likely to get a chance if Michu is either rested or pushed into a forward role, though with the Welsh club linked with moves for Bafetimbi Gomis or Wilfried Bony, the Spaniard may see less time up front next time round.

With Laudrup keen to strengthen his squad as Swansea prepare for the defence of the Capital One Cup and Europa League duties, rest and rotation could well blight the vast majority of their squad. While Shelvey seems optimistic that the move will boost his minutes, it’s difficult to see how he will go about cementing a regular role. Although he’s likely to come in as a mid-price midfield option across the Fantasy games, then, (around 5.5 to 6.0 in Fantasy Premier League (FPL) is anticipated) it may take injuries and suspension to others to boost his prospects as a regular for the season ahead. With United, Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal in the first six Gameweeks, even Michu may struggle to persuade early investors to jump on board – Fantasy managers will likely start the season steering well clear of Shelvey, only reassessing the situation if Laudrup decides he deserves more than just bench-warming duties.

Further Reference

Jonjo Shelvey Wikipedia

Jonjo Shelvey Transfer Markt Page

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  1. Saint & Reevesy
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    Uranus had 4 break points in the opening two games not taken one of them....... Hope that's not set to continue.

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    1. Saint & Reevesy
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      Murray (that's the weirdest auto correct ever!)

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      1. Eboue
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        😆 and agreed

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      2. Sánchez
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        Hahaha.
        Come on Andy.
        Do it for SCOTLAND.
        😀

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      3. Optimus.
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        😆

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    2. Billy Gilmore
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      Uranus 😆

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    3. Mílanista
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      😆 perfect start to the page

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    4. Saint & Reevesy
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      Right this is break point number 7......... Come on Murray/Uranus

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  2. Pinoche
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    Sky Sports Football @ SkyFootball 4m
    Wigan have agreed a fee with Norwich for striker Grant Holt, according to Sky sources.

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    1. Mílanista
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      I wonder if that will impact RVW's price in FPL, hope not.

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      1. Declan-
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        Leave the announcement for another 2 weeks please Wigan 🙂

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        1. Mílanista
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          Won't need that long, I think the prices will start being drip fed on twitter this coming week.

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  3. Mílanista
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    Uranus breaks

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    1. The Bandit
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      Dammit... 😡

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      1. Mílanista
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        😛

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    2. Saint & Reevesy
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      Nothing can stand that much pressure 🙂

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  4. The Bandit
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    Uranus has broken

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    1. Sánchez
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      Cracks are starting to show now though.

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      1. The Bandit
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        😆

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  5. The Bandit
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    The chances of getting broke back are mountain...

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    1. Sánchez
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      How do you do an emoticon for a tumbleweed blowing past? 😀

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        1. Sánchez
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          Thanks. 😀

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    2. Mílanista
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      When Uranus is involved...

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  6. Dino
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    Fwiw re hazard on previous page someone mentioned his great goalscoring season in France.

    I remember looking into giroud and hazards history and from memory hazard got something like 20 goals to girouds 21 but hazard scored 12 pens iirc while giroud only got 1.

    Please don't take these stays as gospel as last year is a long time ago but they should be right.

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    1. Sánchez
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      That was me.
      I think hazard will get pens this season though.
      And i expect chelsea will be far better and score much more than last year.

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    2. d1sable
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      yeah it was 11 penalties and he had something like 9 assists from corners and freekicks

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  7. Sánchez
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    I hate the poshness of Wimbledon.

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  8. Optimus.
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    Rooney at Wimbledon with the shades on so he can check out Murrays mum no doubt unknownst to Coleen

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    1. Sánchez
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      Hahaha.
      The most common reason for guys in shades.
      Followed by blindness.
      🙂

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      1. Epic Fail
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        Most guys want to check out Murray's Mum? 😯

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        1. Optimus.
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          well Rooney likes them of the pension age

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  9. lfcserg
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    Hehe Shrek is in the stands

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  10. Manani
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    I think Murray will win.
    He is due

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    1. Mílanista
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      Even more due than that Xmas hat coming off 😉

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      1. Billy Gilmore
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        😀

        It's closer to this Christmas than last so might as well stay 😉

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        1. Epic Fail
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          Maybe he's just got it up extra early. Very organised. 😀

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          1. Manani
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            epicfail knows me best! 😀

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            1. Mílanista
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              Probably becuase he's an expert in epic failures 😉

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              1. Manani
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                just setting the trend, you guys are bound to follow by December,
                Bookmark this. 😉

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    2. Epic Fail
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      lol

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  11. Oldman Unathletic
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    Murray and Djokovic look fecked already.

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    1. Epic Fail
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      Such a long way to go too.
      It's gonna be down to endurance.

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      1. Oldman Unathletic
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        Aye, this is going to be a long match.

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    2. Billy Gilmore
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      Fancy cursing one of the few summer days you get every year 😉

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      1. Oldman Unathletic
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        Feck this heat cannae take it.

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        1. Billy Gilmore
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          lol

          Is it even 30?

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          1. Mílanista
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            From BBC sport "the referee's office says that the Centre Court temperature at 1350 BST was 49.8C in the sun"

            Now quiet you smug git 😉

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            1. Oldman Unathletic
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              What Milanista said.

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              1. Epic Fail
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                What Jayden Monster XI said.

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            2. Billy Gilmore
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              😛

              "in the sun" 😉

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    3. Declan-
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      We could see well over 4 hours. They will be exhausted

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      1. Oldman Unathletic
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        For sure, both of them are going to fight until the bitter end.

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  12. Epic Fail
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    Was it Federer who was moaning about the seeding, then went out in the 1st round anyway?

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    1. Demí
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      Federer does *not* think Nadal should be moved up from No. 5 in Wimbledon seedings. Said Ferrer has earned it by being "rock solid.

      So no.

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  13. Oldman Unathletic
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    Gawd this montage is cringe - the match ain't even over yet you muppets!

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    1. Mílanista
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      What Jayden Monster XI said.

      Hang on, I just did below.

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      1. Oldman Unathletic
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        Great minds 😉

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  14. Mílanista
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    Could that montage have been any more cringe-worthy 🙂

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    1. Oldman Unathletic
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      I approve this comment.

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  15. Sheep
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    That montage was so cringe- worthy 😐

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    1. Mílanista
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      Such a sheep 😉

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  16. SuperOsçarBaby
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    SWANS XI (Second half): Zabret, Rangel, Monk, Williams, Taylor, Britton, Ki, Pozuelo, Dyer, Gorre, Michu.

    Michu starts in second half! 🙂

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    1. SuperOsçarBaby
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      michu YC 😯

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  17. The Bandit
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    Did anyone notice the cringe-worthy montage?

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    1. Oldman Unathletic
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      No.

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      1. The Bandit
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        Well it was cringe-worthy...

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        1. Oldman Unathletic
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          ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑

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  18. Manani
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    any medical geek here can explain to me why the Quad lost most of its strength after a ACL reconstruction?
    in layman term that is.

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    1. Billy Gilmore
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      Not a medical geek, but imagine it's because it doesn't get used much after the reconstruction.

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      1. Manani
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        my quad went to zero strength straight after reconstruction, so there must be something going on there....
        it is like the strength bar went from 100 to 0, and I need to build it up all over again slowly

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        1. Billy Gilmore
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          Facer, where art thou?

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  19. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
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    Murray will win this set 6-4

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    1. Billy Gilmore
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      *puts bet on*

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    2. SuperOsçarBaby
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      Djokovic 7-5 😉

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    3. Optimus.
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      Old School used you be Menly Men?

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      1. HVT
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        John Drinkwater but don't tell anyone 😉

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      2. The Bandit
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        Drinky

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        1. HVT
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          You were someone else too in a past life I recall WR

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          1. HVT
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            That Clint Eastwood grav I recall - the name eludes me right now ....

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            1. The Bandit
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              Man with New Name.. I was trying to avoid a workplace stalker but you seemed to think it was funny 'outing' me at every opportunity... 🙄

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              1. HVT
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                Ah yes I remember it now , I stumbled across your 'changeover' and you got cranky cos I mentioned it , You must be very good looking to say that you are attracting stalkers 😉

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      3. Optimus.
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        ah ok 🙂

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  20. Matt Sk
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    We are hopefully one week away from prices release :p

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    1. Mílanista
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      Could start coming as early as tomorrow, 3 at a time.

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      1. The Bandit
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        Can't be doing with silly drip feeding, we need them all otherwise they are meaningless

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        1. Mílanista
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          I know but that won't stop them doing it to 'build excitement'

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      2. Matt Sk
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        Yep they started revealing it on 9th of July last year I think but I guess the full list will be out next weekend or Monday and the game will open a few days after that

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  21. SuperOsçarBaby
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    Alejandro POZUELO SCORES 😯 He's straight in my team!

    Excelsior 1-3 Swans

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    1. Parm
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      😆

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    2. Mílanista
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      There will always be those too young to learn from SEB, Boselli, Moses, Graham...

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      1. HVT
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        Shane Ferguson legend 🙂

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        1. The Bandit
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          ?? People picked him because he was cheap, not because he actually did anything, pre-season or otherwise..

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          1. HVT
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            You don't say ! I'd never have known that !

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            1. The Bandit
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              So what was your point then? The players Milanista listed had good pre-seasons and that's why people got them.. 😕

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              1. HVT
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                I just don't like seeing Shane getting left out but you decided to get the handbag out 😉

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      2. The Bandit
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        In the fable of the boy who cried wolf, the wolf did actually turn up eventually if I recall... 😉

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      3. SuperOsçarBaby
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        1 assist 1 goal in 2 match.

        update: 4-1 Swansea. Michu assist, Gorre goal

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        1. Mílanista
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          Bring back the baby grav 🙂

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          1. SuperOsçarBaby
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            bring back milanista grav 😉

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            1. Billy Gilmore
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              Super Mario is an awesome grav!

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              1. Mílanista
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                😎

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              2. SuperOsçarBaby
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                is he even in epl? 😉

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                1. Mílanista
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                  He is a Premier League champion.

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                  1. Billy Gilmore
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                    😎

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                  2. SuperOsçarBaby
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                    and Women's Wimbledon Champion yesterday 😆

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                    1. Mílanista
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                      😀

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                2. Billy Gilmore
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                  Does it matter?

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    3. Saint & Reevesy
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      Where are you getting the score updates? Any other pre season games on?

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      1. Parm
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        https://twitter.com/SwansOfficial

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        1. Saint & Reevesy
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          Much obliged Parmtree

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      2. SuperOsçarBaby
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        West Ham game 6 pm kick off.

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        1. HVT
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          V Cork city ?

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          1. SuperOsçarBaby
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            boom that's correct!

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            1. Saint & Reevesy
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              Yeah, won't be watching that one 🙂

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              1. SuperOsçarBaby
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                I will watching Demel. 😉

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              2. HVT
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                Why ?

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    Has anyone noticed any oop's in the sky ff game?

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    1. Oldman Unathletic
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      Gouffran, 5.1m listed as a midfielder.

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    2. Carl@streetkids.com.au
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      Michu

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    3. SuperOsçarBaby
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      Schurrle reverse oop

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  23. Manani
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    damn, I am totally nailing the predictions in the Sky interactive polls!

    Should have bet on it

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  24. FINALLY POGREBYNYAK SCORES
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    How nailed on is Demel this season 😀

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    1. The Bandit
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      He isn't

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    2. Billy Gilmore
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      He's nailed ...

      ... to the bench.

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    3. Saint & Reevesy
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      I'm not going near him this season, he was easily my most frustrating player last year, had him most of the season....only scored points when I benched him!

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      1. HVT
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        Legend 😉

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    4. SuperOsçarBaby
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      60min nailed on.

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  25. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
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    come on Murray go on a run

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    1. Saint & Reevesy
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      This is a huge game....

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      1. Saint & Reevesy
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        Sweet

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    2. Old Schoolᴼˢ “disa…
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      nice

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  26. HVT
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    Dan Martin wins stage 9 of the Tour De France - well done outstanding stuff 🙂

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    1. Saint & Reevesy
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      Drugs aside, I have no clue how those lads complete, let alone race the Tour de France.

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      1. HVT
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        Fitness , stamina and resolve (oh and some drugs too)

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  27. HVT
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    In Cork City at the mo and West Ham jerseys all over the shop -anyone actually have a pic of Doosra ?

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    1. Saint & Reevesy
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      Doosra's new grav has him supping a pint of Guinness.....

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      1. HVT
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        * Murphys (in Cork)

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        1. Saint & Reevesy
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          Pardon my ignorance 🙂

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          1. HVT
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            That's ok we have a Heineken brewery here ( which produces Murphys stout ) and we used to produce Beamish stout up to a few years ago who at one time sponsored Cork city FC .
            Guinness is brewed in Dublin
            http://www.corkarchives.ie/merchantcity/home/brewingdistilling/

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    2. The Bandit
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      He looks like my grav but with a neater beard 🙂

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  28. JoeySamSam
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    A) Just saw the FF fatigue hot topic, and in relation to that I just wanna say that I took the entire 2010/11 season off, and it worked absolute wonders for reigniting my enthusiasm for the game and I really improved the last two seasons because of it.

    B) What price will Thiago be?

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  29. Manani
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    both of their girlfriends are pretty hot! 😳

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    1. Drip Doctor
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      Yes, but Novaks is hotter.

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      1. SuperOsçarBaby
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 10 months ago

        no, Murray gf is hotter

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        1. Drip Doctor
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 10 months ago

          As always, you are wrong 😉

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    2. Manani
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 10 months ago

      cheers guys 😉

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  30. Oldman Unathletic
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 10 months ago

    Murray showing some bottle.

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    1. Saint & Reevesy
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 10 months ago

      Agreed, do you remember the Henman days?

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