[sbu_large_image] Dugout Discussion
21 August 2013 3238 comments
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The final match of Gameweek 1 is almost upon us as Chelsea prepare for the visit of Aston Villa. Both sides arrive in good form, with the Blues easing past Hull at the Bridge on Sunday and Paul Lambert’s side sweeping aside Arsenal at the Emirates the day beforehand.

Jose Mourinho makes just two changes to his previous XI. In a huge surprise up front, it’s Demba Ba who replaces Fernando Torres as the Blues’ lone forward, with Romelu Lukaku once again warming the bench – with a trip to Old Trafford and blank Gameweek 3 to follow, the big Belgian can expect to lose significant numbers of Fantasy owners after this bombshell. Chelsea’s other change is as expected, with Juan Mata returning to the starting line-up after a recent thigh problem – Kevin De Bruyne is the man to drop out, with Mata expected to take up position on the right, leaving Oscar to tuck in behind Ba in a continuation of the 4-2-3-1 formation that started against Hull. Fernando Torres is left out of the squad altogether, after being selected to start on Sunday.

For the visitors, Paul Lambert makes one enforced alteration. Nathan Baker is sidelined with the ankle injury that forced him off at Arsenal, so Ciaran Clark comes in to partner Ron Vlaar in the heart of defence. Andreas Weimann and Gabby Agbonlahor flank Christian Benteke up top, with new boy Aleksandar Tonev warming the bench once again.

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  1. Fchildress
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    FPL needs to take a look at their rules and make sure they are consistent. Regardless of what the rules are, just be consistent to remove confusion.

    If Hazard shoots, Guzan saves, and Ba taps in the rebound, then Hazard receives an assist.

    Logically then, the same should hold true on the goal today, however, FPL saying that the Guzan save negates Hazard's shot so no assist on the own goal.....

    Just be consistent in how you treat.

    I would not even be opposed to a no assist on own goals system, but apply it all the way.

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    1. 4vets
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      +1

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    2. Grubby
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      yeah but it wasn't a chelsea player who then scored the goal after the deflection. it was an OG.

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      1. CABAYE4
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        It doesn't specify in the rules that it needs to be put in by an attacking player though.

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      2. mvtaylor
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        How does this change anything?

        It goes from Hazard assist -> Che player goal to

        Hazard "assist" -> Luna OG

        If Hazard has met the criteria for an assist it shouldn't then be lost purely as it's an OG. If you read the wording of the rules there is nothing to suggest this Hazard assist shouldn't count.

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    3. Woy of the Wovers
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Far more important to follow the rules as written. If there's ambiguity then judgement might then consider consistency and fairness although one would hope these were rare occasions as such abstract concepts are open to a wide range of different opinions.

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  2. Lanley Staurel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Mata playing quite deep - consistently more so than Oscar and Hazard.

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  3. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Raul Meireles looks like he is being attacked by some angry woodland creatures that have attached themselves to his head.

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  4. Declan
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Koscielny decapitated

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    1. Yome
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      got killed by an ottoman soldier haha

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    2. Acquafresca
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Looks painful

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    3. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Not having his best week 🙂

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    4. Valar(Keith)
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      what a wonderful week it's been for us owners 🙁

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    5. ...---...
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Not been his week has it?

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    6. Smellbobs
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      from the beeb....

      "SUBSTITUTION - Fenerbahce 0-0 Arsenal

      Oh dear. Laurent Koscielny has been carried off to have his head reattached to his shoulders. Pierre Webo is quite rightly booked and Carl Jenkinson is on instead."

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  5. Mull
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    If it's not an assist according to opta stats then it won't be given until after the game anyway. Calm down for now.

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  6. dogtanion
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    it's kinda sad that a highly competitive cl qualifier is on and there are people googling the word assist.

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    1. Matt
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      It's more interesting than the Arsenal game atm...

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    2. Grubby
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      you could argue it's kinda sad you're on here when a CL qualifier is on

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      1. dogtanion
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        it's an awful game - barely watching it

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        1. Hello. Yes, This is Dog
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          contradiction much?

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    3. Mr. Greedy
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Multitasking innit

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  7. Sif
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Koscielny taken a solid foot to the face.

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    1. Woy of the Wovers
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Phew. I heard here that his head was separated from his body which is a v.serious injury. Season ended at least.

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  8. SW6
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Koscielny's head has fallen off 😯

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  9. MJ6987
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Just to make sure....go to FPL Help tab, scroll down and Contact them about the Hazard assist.

    Copy and paste the following sections...

    Rebounds
    If a shot on goal is blocked by an opposition player, is saved by a goalkeeper or hits the woodwork, and a goal is scored from the rebound, then an assist is awarded.

    Own Goals
    If a player shoots or passes the ball and forces an opposing player to put the ball in his own net, then an assist is awarded.

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    1. SMELL MY CHEESE YOU MOTHER
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Done

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    2. 4vets
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Done!

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    3. Demel
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Done.

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      1. norab
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        but HAZARD didn't force an opposing player to put the ball in his own net. Guzan forced his own player to put the ball in his own net.

        i really can't understand where there is any debate at all

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        1. Joburger
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          Rebounds
          If a shot on goal is blocked by an opposition player, is saved by a goalkeeper or hits the woodwork, and a goal is scored from the rebound, then an assist is awarded.

          The thing is Norab, that nowhere does it state that when a goal is scored from a rebound that the goal has to be scored by a team mate of the player who took the shot. The fact that it was an opposition player that scored from the rebound of Hazard's shot, should have no bearing on whether the assist is awarded or not.

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  10. dogtanion
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    solid start to the season for koscielny

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      just about right for one of my "locks" 🙄

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    2. Torched999
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      whats happened?

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  11. Wolverine
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Haha and to think people were saying that atleast with the new rules, there'll be no problems with the awards over assists!

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  12. Esalman
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Is the FPL statistics page showing total BPS or gameweek BPS? I suspect it is gameweek BPS because right now Oscar top among Chelsea players but then Ramires, Cahill, Terry, Cole, Cech and Ivanovic are next on highest BPS.

    If it is really showing total BPS then it won't be possible to predict gameweek BPS from gw2 onward I'm afraid.

    http://fantasy.premierleague.com/stats/elements/?element_filter=te_4&stat_filter=bps

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    1. ACCOUNTING ON CHRIS
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Just deduct the first game.

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    2. Namtab Nomolos
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Click on your team page, click on the fixture, click on the detailed stats.

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      1. Lanley Staurel
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Brilliant - thxs

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    3. Mr Smith
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      or click the detailed stats just under the game to see the gameweek BPS.

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      1. Esalman
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Didn't notice BPS there, thanks!

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    4. Mr Smith
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      everybody on 1bps apart from luna who is on -1

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      1. Esalman
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Oscar too..

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    5. The3rdTurd
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      It is being updated in real time by the look of it. You could just look at the detailed match stats if that's what you're looking for.

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  13. Royal5
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Kosc injured and off..

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    1. thetinkerman
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Seriousl?!

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      1. r0nh
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Kicked in the face, bleeding.

        Should be OK for next weeks game.

        Suspended this wkd anyway.

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  14. thetinkerman
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    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    According to the rules, it will 100% be an assist.

    This sums it up perfectly

    http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2013/08/21/dugout-discussion-wednesday/?hc_page=5#hc_comment_5329972

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    1. Ginkapo FPL
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Own Goals
      "If a player shoots or passes the ball and forces an opposing player to put the ball in his own net, then an assist is awarded."

      Hazard did not force Luna to score, Guzan did.

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      1. thetinkerman
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        • 14 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        That doesn't disprove the Hazard assist theory though.

        "If a shot on goal is blocked by an opposition player, is saved by a goalkeeper or hits the woodwork, and a goal is scored from the rebound, then an assist is awarded."

        The shot was on goal.

        It was scored from the rebound.

        It's an assist for Hazard.

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        1. Ginkapo FPL
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 6 months ago

          It wasnt "scored", it was "put into the net". Subtle difference, but their thinking is clear in the text

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          1. thetinkerman
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 6 months ago

            What they were thinking doesn't come into play; it's what they wrote that's important.

            Are you saying that the verb "score" can't be applied to own goals?

            "Luna scored an out goal" is fine.

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            1. thetinkerman
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 14 Years
              12 years, 6 months ago

              "Luna scored an own* goal" that should say

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    2. COMFORTABLY NUMB
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Except he hasn't been awarded the points

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  15. MJ6987
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Got a bad feeling Walcott is gonna get injured tonight. He's looked fragile lately.

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  16. dribbler
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    kosielny off with a head injury

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  17. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Well, this is going well ... 😕

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      +1

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  18. Bring on the shots
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Hahahaha once again Terry and Cole ahead of Ivan for bonus points even though Ivan has done much more.

    Messed up.

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    1. dogtanion
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      what? is there a live bap feed?!

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      1. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        FPL site.

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    2. Big_Andy_GAWA
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Could you tell me where you can see this? Thanks.

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      1. Mr Smith
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        see above

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      2. Bring on the shots
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Under your team points on FPL you see scores. Click on the Chelsea
        Game in play and another box pops down. Then in the bottom left u see detailed stats, click and view.

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  19. Yome
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Jenkinson bandwagon!!!

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  20. Pepin - RIP Absinthe
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Benteke hasn't really gotten any service so far.

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  21. Valar(Keith)
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Koscielny.. what a buy he has been

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      +42. 😥

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  22. Royal5
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Wimann with #10, Nzog gone?

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  23. Lanley Staurel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    FPL stats function on BPS no good anymore - darn and blast it!

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  24. usagooner
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Well at least we'll have one new signing once Koscielny comes back.

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  25. Blue Teets
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    It was an assist. It's in the rules. Let's move on.

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    1. You Must Be Jokin Ere
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Last years rules yes....................
      This years rules no...............

      And im a Hazard (c)........................

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      1. SMELL MY CHEESE YOU MOTHER
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 6 months ago

        Rebounds
        If a shot on goal is blocked by an opposition player, is saved by a goalkeeper or hits the woodwork, and a goal is scored from the rebound, then an assist is awarded.

        Own Goals
        If a player shoots or passes the ball and forces an opposing player to put the ball in his own net, then an assist is awarded.

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  26. TorresMagic™
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Terry equal BPS leader with Cahill & Ramires.

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    1. r0nh
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      WHEN Hazards assists gets added, that will change.

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  27. Acquafresca
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Oscar's a greedy fook...

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Just what is required ... 😀

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    2. Pork Pie Sausage Roll
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      😀

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  28. Valar(Keith)
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Koscielny + Lukaku to Collins/Chester + Soldado?

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  29. DÏLKS
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    Will that not go down as a Hazard assist?

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  30. ITS ALL GONE WRONG
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 6 months ago

    benteke has been anonymous... fixture proof anyone?

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    1. Flicka
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 6 months ago

      Looks about the same to me as last game. Just no penalties (yet).

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