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For even the most experienced of Fantasy managers, this season hasn’t quite gone to plan. Those multiple hours of detailed analysis on player statistics and fixtures list which have proved crucial to past success have yet to reap reward – it’s been a frustrating first couple of months. Conventional Fantasy Football wisdom may have failed us so far but with another 31 Gameweeks of the campaign yet to unfold, it’s time to regroup and assess the situation.

In the first of this two-part feature, we cast an eye over the top 10 in the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) game, analyse the current transfer trends in order to gauge just how strong the “template team†for this season has become and look at ways to remedy the malaise currently afflicting many of our Fantasy squads.

What is the template squad and how established is it?

By looking at the top 10 teams in FPL, it’s immediately apparent just how quickly the template for early-season success has settled – a pool of 13 players populates at least four of those sides.

9 – Aaron Ramsey and Daniel Sturridge
8 – Yaya Toure and Olivier Giroud
7 – Leighton Baines and Romelu Lukaku
5 – Simon Mignolet, Artur Boruc and Ross Barkley
4 – John Terry, Branislav Ivanovic, Jose Fonte and Michu

Broken down, by position this lends itself almost perfectly into the 3-4-3 formation preferred by Fantasy managers – Southampton’s Artur Boruc ties with Simon Mignolet for a place between the sticks, whilst Chelsea’s John Terry and Branislav Ivanovic have proven equally popular in defence.

GK: Boruc/Mignolet
DEF: Terry/Ivanovic, Fonte, Baines
MID: Ramsey, Toure, Barkley, Michu
FWD: Sturridge, Giroud, Lukaku

The rest, however, practically pick themselves, with Mesut Ozil and Hatem Ben Arfa the closest to breaking the midfield monopoly, having found a place in three of the top 10 teams so far. Up front, however, the situation is emphatic –Sturridge, Giroud and Lukaku are overwhelming favourites. Indeed, four of the top five have those three leading the line, with six of the top 10 opting for the trio. Such is their popularity, they take up 24 of the 30 forward slots in the top 10, with only five other forwards (Luis Suarez (twice), Wayne Rooney, Roberto Soldado, Loic Remy and Dwight Gayle) deemed worthy of consideration.

Why has it been so effective?

The overall downturn in goals, combined with the new FPL Bonus Points System (BPS), has also played a significant part in how the season has unfolded. With players benefitting more than ever before from a clean sheet, the forwards’ collective inability to find the net has, in turn, favoured backline options considerably.

25+ points30+ points40+ points50+ points
Goalkeepers12820
Defenders301540
Midfielders171031
Forwards12741

Looking at the table above, the lack of consistency from strikers is all too apparent. Granted, more frontmen have scored 40+ points than any other classification but dig deeper and the situation is clearer.

So far this season, a total of 40 players have scored 30 or more points in FPL but the spread across the classifications is revealing – eight goalkeepers, 15 defenders, 10 midfielders and just seven forwards. Even at the 25 point cut-off mark, the situation fails to improve – indeed, keepers (12) have kept pace with the forwards, with over double the number of defenders (30) producing the points.

The lack of impact from the premium midfielders, in particular, that has had an impact. It’s been a real kick in the teeth for those of us who had high expectations for the likes of Eden Hazard (741,000+ transfers out now), Philippe Coutinho (558,000), David Silva (521,000), Juan Mata (461,000) and Theo Walcott (459,000), with Ramsey, Barkley and the likes of Robbie Brady not only proving superb value but consistently outscoring the big guns to this point. In terms of big-money midfielders, only Yaya Toure, Oscar and Michu have stuck to the script in the opening seven Gameweeks – the rest of the current top 10 highest scoring midfielders started the season at 7.0 or less.

Up front, David Moyes’ arrival at United seems to have dented Robin Van Persie’s prospects. With attacking returns in only two of the first seven Gameweeks, the Dutchman has been a shadow of the player that took the Premier League by storm over the past couple of seasons and afforded Fantasy managers a reliable weekly armband contender. Aside from the injured Christian Benteke (875,000), no other forward has received more transfers out than Van Persie (593,000) but a lack of form, allied with a price tag of 13.9 and the cheaper in-form Rooney option for United’s upcoming schedule means more are bailing out.

Intriguingly, only one of the current top 10 started the season with Van Persie amongst their ranks – clearly, their initial lack of faith in the Dutchman has paid off so far.

Should I Look Break the Template?

Further deconstruction of the above-mentioned top scorers is revealing. Listed below are the total number of players to have produced 25 FPL points or more this term, analysed according to both starting price and classification.

4.5 – 5.05.5 – 6.06.5 – 7.58.0 – 9.09.5 and upwards
Goalkeepers552N/AN/A
Defenders15105N/AN/A
Midfielders43451
Forwards02244
Total24201395

Defenders who kicked off the campaign in the 4.5 to 5.0 price bracket are the most represented here – 15 have picked up at least 25 points in the first seven Gameweeks. As many as 35 keepers and/or defenders who began the season at 6.0 or less make the cut here – factor in the 11 midfielders at 7.5 or under who have also achieved this feat and it’s clear that value has been greater than ever this season.

The irony is that we typically rely on these budget players to save the pennies that allow us to acquire the big-hitters. As the data highlights, however, the premium options have, overall, simply failed to show any sort of consistency – only five players who started the season at 9.5 or more have managed to produce at least 25 points so far.

Previously, our patience is usually rewarded in such scenarios as the main men soon find their feet and start to rectify their lack of returns. Logic would suggest that Van Persie, for example, will start to find the net at a quicker pace, given that he’s scored twice inside the box from 19 attempts in the area – when you compare this to Ramsey’s stats of four and eight respectively, it highlights just how the Welshman has surpassed all expectations so far. Nevertheless, it also indicates that, in Van Persie’s case, he has still been presented with multiple opportunities to improve his goal tally – he simply hasn’t managed to take them. As our members area highlight, the underlying stats of many premium priced options remain very strong – they simply aren’t putting the ball in the net.

Ramsey, though, has shown time and again this term that the players in form are continuing to flourish and are punishing those managers who choose to overlook them. In midfield, his stats are poorer than team-mate Theo Walcott and Everton’s Kevin Mirallas, who have both fired 10 efforts from close range without finding the net once, yet the Welshman’s consistency of end product is, understandably, persuading the masses to jump on board the bandwagon.

The line between picking a player in form and chasing points seems thinner than ever this term. Certainly, those managers who have the likes of Ramsey or Toure will have no qualms over holding the pair but for those sitting near the bottom of their mini-leagues staring upwards, acquiring them at this point looks a debatable tactic.

Looking at the transfer trends over the last week shows it’s not just the top 10 managers who are keen on the template team. Of those 13 players mentioned above, Boruc and Mignolet are the two most transferred in keepers in the Gameweek, Fonte, Terry and Baines are three of the four most popular defenders, Barkley, Ramsey and Toure in the top four midfielders, whilst Lukaku, Sturridge and Giroud are in in the top five for most sought-after forwards. Given that Suarez and Remy make up the top five highlights the extent to which the masses are following the managers at the top.

One glance at the leader of the overall standings highlights how differentials can make the difference, though. He leapt to number one in the world last week after transferring in Adam Lallana, with the Saints skipper’s 11 point-haul against Swansea enough to help him to the summit . Regardless of overall standing, then, it’s clear that finding a less popular approach or player choice is key to combatting the template advocates – in the second part of this feature, we will highlight some available routes that could lead to shoots of recovery.

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  1. pit creature
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 1 month ago

    My current WC team:

    Boruc Kelvin Davies

    Baines Vertongen Zab Terry Clyne

    Barkley Januzaj Ramsey Oscar Michu

    Saurez Giroud Lukaku

    Rip me apart...

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    1. Optimus.
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      where do you live?

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      1. AK â­
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        😀

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      2. pit creature
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        Cybertron, you???

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      3. Epic Fail
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        😀

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    2. Robe Wan
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      Is downgrade a defender or two and upgrade Ramsey to Ozil or lolcott

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  2. TorresMagic™
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    Evening all 🙂

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    1. AK â­
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      Evening TM. 🙂

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    2. Big_Andy_GAWA
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      Evening, sire. 🙂

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    3. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGeniusâ…
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      'Ello, Sunshine:-)

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    4. Evs
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      Hello.

      Great rugby today, oh except the ospreys who continue to be shat !

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      1. TorresMagic™
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        Was it a kick-a-thon?

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        1. Evs
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          They just continually under perform and with 4 or 5 Lions in the pack.

          Scarelts were great though - good young backs (3 tries 😉 )

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          1. MJ6987
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            And the Sevens beat Fiji!

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          2. TorresMagic™
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            I need a pillow....

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  3. Johnny128
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    Who would you rather have?

    A) Coleman/Suarez

    B) Baines/Sturridge

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    1. Optimus.
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      B

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    2. Big_Andy_GAWA
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      Hmmmm, toughie. Probs the second one.

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    3. Wilshere Knowledge
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      A for me.

      I think Suarez will score more over Sturridge than Baines will over Coleman.

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    4. AK â­
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      B

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    5. Johnny128
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      Thanks for all your comments! Much appreciated!

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  4. 2nd Man
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    Working on some graphics and would appreciate some feedback on this:

    http://public.tableausoftware.com/views/FFS_Test/Sheet1?:embed=y&:display_count=no#1

    xG/m and xA/m are Expected Goals/Assists per minute using my own function. So further right means greater goal threat (minutes adjusted) and as you move up the more creative the player is (minutes adjusted).

    You can filter the data with the tools on the side

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    1. TorresMagic™
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      Looks good.

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    2. JT's Dog
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        Looking at it on iPad so may not show all but at first glance would want to see players names rather than having to press each badge

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        1. 2nd Man
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          I agree with, unfortunately I can't figure out how to label select players. So it's either all or nothing, and all leaves a mess in the main pack. Will work on it though, thanks.

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      • TorresMagic™
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        Steven Davis 5 appearances for Southampton? Please explain...

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        1. 2nd Man
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          Yea it counts all appearances, including subs. Do you think just listing starts would be more useful?

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          1. TorresMagic™
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            Never knew there was a Steven Davis. FPL site has 210 minutes so obvious you include extra time. Nice work.

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    3. Chu Young Ping Pong
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      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9SYVg6xA74

      Part of my Graduation Ceremony 😀

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      1. JT's Dog
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          Telling me it is blocked in my country
          Are you all naked

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          1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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            😯

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            1. JT's Dog
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                Hope it wasn't media course

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          2. Optimus.
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            *bookmarked

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          3. Epic Fail
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            You graduated 😯

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            1. Chu Young Ping Pong
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              Yea, last week 😀

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              1. Chris_Fàbregas #DOOS…
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                Congratulations on your graduation 😀

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          4. Mind över Mata
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            Can't seem to see it

            Congrats anyway!

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          5. TorresMagic™
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            No idea what I am looking for? The building has pretty lights.

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            1. JT's Dog
                12 years, 1 month ago

                Must have been electrical engineering course

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          6. Big_Andy_GAWA
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            Have they disabled being able to repost comments on here ? Just amend it slightly to get round it, yeah ? 🙂

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            1. GreennRed
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              What?

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            2. GreennRed
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              What ?

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            3. Epic Fail
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              Yeah it's disabled.

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            4. Mind över Mata
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              Haha, yes

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          7. Mind över Mata
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            Wilson and Rooney -> Terry/Ivan and Lukaku

            No hit - Yes/no

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            1. Bridge
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              Yep looks very good. Terry IMO.

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              1. Mind över Mata
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                Cheers, why Terry?

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                1. Bridge
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                  Not much between them, better value and BPs (I have Terry :))

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            2. Epic Fail
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              I'd rather not get rid of Rooney yet, but yeah I expect it to work.

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              1. Mind över Mata
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                Thanks - I agree on Rooney but it does free up a lot of cash

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              2. Mind över Mata
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                I'd also expect Terry and Lukaku to score more than Roo and Wilson over the next few weeks

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            3. Brutus619
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              Yeah

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          8. thepuntmaster
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            Redmond > Amilfitano?

            Yay or nay

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            1. Alan The Llama
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              Yay.

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          9. joe259
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            This is my team. I am thinking of talking a 4 point hit. Thoughts?

            Mignolet . Boruc
            Vertonghen . Zabaleta . Coleman . Clyne . Moxey
            Ozil . Januzaj . Michu . Barkley . Ramsey
            Rooney . Sturridge . Giroud

            Coleman to Terry??
            Suggestions for captaincy please and I would like to know whom I should keep on the bench for GW8. Thanks

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            1. joe259
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              12 years, 1 month ago

              I have 1.4m in the bank.

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            2. Optimus.
              • 14 Years
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              save transfer

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              1. Robe Wan
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                +1

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              2. joe259
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 1 month ago

                Thanks for the reply.
                Whom should I captain and bench?

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                1. Robe Wan
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                  • 12 Years
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                  Sturridge (C)

                  Bench clyne and jz

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          10. TorresMagic™
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            Anyone looking for some leagues/competitions to enter?

            http://www.torresmagic.webs.com/leaguecodes.htm 🙂

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          11. Robe Wan
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            Permanent DZ

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          12. MJ6987
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            Who are the top 5 most skillful players in the EPL?

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            1. Robe Wan
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              • 12 Years
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              Ozil
              HBA
              Silva
              Nani
              Hazard

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            2. pundit of punts
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              Suarez
              Mata
              David Silva
              Ozil
              Hazard

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            3. GreennRed
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              Ozil
              Silva
              Van Persie
              Eriksen
              Sturridge

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              1. GreennRed
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                Oscar for Eriksen

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            4. AK â­
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              Hazard, Mata, Ozil, Eriksen, Aguero

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              1. AK â­
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                12 years, 1 month ago

                In fact Silva for Aguero.

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            5. Tiote on Peyote
              • 14 Years
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              In no particular order:

              Hazard
              Silva
              Ben Arfa
              Ozil
              Berbatov (of old)

              Slim pickins really.

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            6. Chu Young Ping Pong
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 1 month ago

              Welbeck
              Hazard
              Nani
              Silva
              Aguero

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            7. WDT
              • 13 Years
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              Dembele, Eriksen, Van Persie, Ben Arfa, Hazard

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            8. pit creature
              • 13 Years
              12 years, 1 month ago

              In 6 months time Deulofeu will be the at the top of peoples lists.

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            9. Piggs Boson
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              Giggs
              Ben Arfa
              Silva
              Van Persie
              Berbatov

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            10. The Shoonchy
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              • 13 Years
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              Suarez
              Ozil
              Mata
              Hazard
              Silva

              No particular order

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          13. InfamousXI
            • 12 Years
            12 years, 1 month ago

            Hi gents, first time fantasy this year and posting. Team seems okay... Had a great start, but am addicted to trading. Lol team is
            Mignolet boruc
            Shaw zaba Wilson Coleman dawson
            Ramsey ozil Moses amalfitano Barkley
            Rvp Sturridge bony.

            I have bony cause michu is finally firing and didn't want to be the typical follower on the lukaku train although his form is blistering. So hopefully they stop playing michu upfront on his own. Rvp is injured? He will surely start firing goals. At least I hope so with Man U's upcoming fixtures. Moses is in the horse at to score some points if Sturridge and suarez stop killing it. Gamble I thought. Wilson is out of position but stoke are horrible ATM. Other then that I'm pretty happy with the team.
            Any advice is well welcomed regarding my team. Thanks gents

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            1. pundit of punts
              • 12 Years
              12 years, 1 month ago

              How many times did you pick the wrong gk this season?

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            2. Robe Wan
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              • 12 Years
              12 years, 1 month ago

              Lose bony, otherwise all good

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            3. Alan The Llama
              • 16 Years
              12 years, 1 month ago

              Get Moses out of the horse.

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              1. GreennRed
                • 14 Years
                12 years, 1 month ago

                Moses stuck in a horse. Holy Moses 😉

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              2. Robe Wan
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                • 12 Years
                12 years, 1 month ago

                Couldn't agree more, what the f is he doing in the horse anyway?

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                1. InfamousXI
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                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  Can't even tell you what the original word was that was autocorrected. So I guess we run with horse lol

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                  1. JT's Dog
                      12 years, 1 month ago

                      Hole I think, would do zab to Chelsea defender

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              3. GreennRed
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                I've only seen Bony in EL games. I don't rate him. No pace, positional sense is poor.

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              4. JT's Dog
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  Bony because michu is finally firing, oh matron

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              5. MJ6987
                • 15 Years
                12 years, 1 month ago

                And, who are the top 5 most powerful players in the EPL?

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                1. Chu Young Ping Pong
                  • 13 Years
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                  what do you mean by powerful

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                  1. MJ6987
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                    Strong, powerful. As it sounds.

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                  2. Cheeseoid
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                    In odour maybe?

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                2. Tiote on Peyote
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                  In no particular order:

                  Lukaku
                  Benteke
                  Kompany
                  Yaya
                  Rooney

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                  1. Captain Shirokov
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                    Rooney? lol

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                3. GreennRed
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                  Suarez
                  Vidic
                  Lambert
                  Kaboul
                  Lukaku

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                4. pit creature
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                  That's easy:

                  Yaya
                  Lukaku
                  Benteke
                  Fellaini
                  Osman

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                  1. Tiote on Peyote
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                    No Bad K?

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                5. AK â­
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                  Lukaku
                  Benteke
                  Kompany
                  Huth
                  Ivanovic

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                6. pundit of punts
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                  Yaya
                  Lukaku
                  Ivanovic
                  Huth
                  Negredo

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                7. WDT
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                  Yaya, Lukaku, Benteke, Lambert, Kompany

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                8. Demí
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                  Britton, Januzaj, De Bruyne, Bannan, Sterling

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                  1. Declan-
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                    😛 😆

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                9. Piggs Boson
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                  Stoke

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                10. The Shoonchy
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                  • 13 Years
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                  Yaya Toure
                  Lukaku
                  Benteke
                  Fellaini
                  Negredo

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                11. Wilshere Knowledge
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                  Mica Richards
                  Victor Anechebe
                  Fellaini
                  Benteke
                  Yaya Toure

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                12. jas5sk - Youtube channel
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                  Lee Clattermole should be #1, and at worst #3, on these lists

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              6. InfamousXI
                • 12 Years
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                Skill is a very broad definition. Technical dribbling skills, position, finishing, vision. I would say
                1.ozil
                2.suarez
                3.van Persie (when Man U can deliver to him)
                4.hazard
                5.coutinho

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              7. InfamousXI
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                12 years, 1 month ago

                In saying that though there are a number of people that could fill positions 4 and 5 IMO. Yaya, silva, oscar, Walcott,mata the list goes on.

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                1. MJ6987
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                  See that green "reply" button....

                  😉

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                2. WDT
                  • 13 Years
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  hugely disagree about Walcott being one of the most skilful players. His talent lies in his speed and finishing for me, not a skilful player

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                  1. Tiote on Peyote
                    • 14 Years
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                    +1

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                    1. Robe Wan
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                      • 12 Years
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                      +2 Walcott is terrible

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                      1. Tiote on Peyote
                        • 14 Years
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                        No one said he was terrible.

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                        1. Robe Wan
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                          Ok sorry, I think he is though. He's very quick, but a poor finisher and crosser and bad dribbler

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                  2. Big_Andy_GAWA
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                    Totally correct.

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                  3. InfamousXI
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                    Thought speed and finishing were a skill. It's too broad of a question. As in technical gift, I agree. But he uses his speed, positioning and finishing pretty well.

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                    1. AK â­
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                      12 years, 1 month ago

                      I think MJ's post mostly meant the ability to get past players with dribbling and ball control skills, with a pinch of passing skills. That's how I took it.

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              8. Cheeseoid
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 13 Years
                12 years, 1 month ago

                Evening all. Busy tonight?

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                1. Tiote on Peyote
                  • 14 Years
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  No

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                2. GreennRed
                  • 14 Years
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  Watching X-factor plus with her indoors. No

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                  1. Cheeseoid
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    12 years, 1 month ago

                    Yup. That's me

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              9. InfamousXI
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 1 month ago

                Mate, pretty much every gameweek bar gw1 where migs saved the penalty. Lol honestly the last 2 weeks playing migs has killed me.

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              10. Optimus.
                • 14 Years
                12 years, 1 month ago

                Taylor was happy with that 😆

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              11. InfamousXI
                • 12 Years
                12 years, 1 month ago

                The reply button seems to be temperamental?

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                1. Robe Wan
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  Yeah if it says "comment" it's not a reply

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                2. TorresMagic™
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • Has Moderation Rights
                  • 16 Years
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  Guessing you are on a phone? Might need to hit "reply" twice. Need an option to "cancel" to the right of "Post Comment" for it to be a reply.

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                  1. InfamousXI
                    • 12 Years
                    12 years, 1 month ago

                    Yeah thanks mate. Double hit the reply button seems to be working.

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                    1. TorresMagic™
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • Has Moderation Rights
                      • 16 Years
                      12 years, 1 month ago

                      Welcome to the site. 🙂

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              12. Big_Andy_GAWA
                • 14 Years
                12 years, 1 month ago

                Guys,

                Does Tiendalli threaten Rangel's place in the Swansea side for EPL games? Looking at bringing the latter in after next week 🙂

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                1. AK â­
                  • 13 Years
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  I don't think so. Tiendalli threatens Davies' position, if at all. Though he is just a back up for the worst case scenarios I think.

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              13. MJ6987
                • 15 Years
                12 years, 1 month ago

                OK, so my two questions re Skill and Power was kind of an experiment. I saw a discussion on another football forum about how black players generally get described as "powerful, etc" rather than "skillful". I think the results here broadly support that theory?

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                1. pit creature
                  • 13 Years
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  So you're saying we're all racist???

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                  1. MJ6987
                    • 15 Years
                    12 years, 1 month ago

                    No.

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                2. AK â­
                  • 13 Years
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  I'm not sure though, there are quite a few Brazilians who are skillful too. Willian being one. Not many in the PL though.

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                3. Robe Wan
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 12 Years
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  Yes can lead to unnecessary stereotyping I think. Shaun wright Phillips, Aaron Lennon etc skilful not powerful.

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                  1. Cheeseoid
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 13 Years
                    12 years, 1 month ago

                    Also not mentioned as powerful list along with Peter Crouch etc

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                4. Cheeseoid
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 13 Years
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  It couldn't in any way represent their charachteristics then?

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                  1. MJ6987
                    • 15 Years
                    12 years, 1 month ago

                    Dunno. It's an interesting debate though I think. An example is Yaya, who has great technical ability yet all anyone seems to talk about is his physicality.

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                    1. Wilshere Knowledge
                      • 12 Years
                      12 years, 1 month ago

                      Black people are bigger and stronger than white people. That's why.

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                      1. jas5sk - Youtube channel
                        • 14 Years
                        12 years, 1 month ago

                        😆 What did I just read...

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                        1. Wilshere Knowledge
                          • 12 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          They are, it's just a fact. It isn't racist to point out physical differences between races. It's why most sprinters are black.

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                5. Tiote on Peyote
                  • 14 Years
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  I think in general that's the case.

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                6. Captain Shirokov
                  • 14 Years
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  Yay prejudice!

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                7. InfamousXI
                  • 12 Years
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  I think it comes down to body composition and genetic capabilities. Race is not really relevant. You have lukaku and hazard running around the same team. Completely different builds, different playing styles.

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                  1. Robe Wan
                    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                    • 12 Years
                    12 years, 1 month ago

                    Race and genetic compatability are not necessarily separate issues.

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              14. JT's Dog
                  12 years, 1 month ago

                  Watched django unchained for first time and need to say it is first film for long time where I loved every minute.
                  If not seen it you should

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                  1. Captain Shirokov
                    • 14 Years
                    12 years, 1 month ago

                    LAV IT 😀

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                  2. JT's Dog
                      12 years, 1 month ago

                      Once you accept the fact django has a Crenshaw accent that is.

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                    • Cheeseoid
                      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                      • 13 Years
                      12 years, 1 month ago

                      Got it on the Sky plus damn x factor or I would be watching it now

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                      1. JT's Dog
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Divorce wife now and get watching

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                      2. Optimus.
                        • 14 Years
                        12 years, 1 month ago

                        yeah it was a great show

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                      3. GreennRed
                        • 14 Years
                        12 years, 1 month ago

                        Will check it out soon hopefully. Love Tarantino flicks. True Romance, brilliant.

                        Last movie I saw that I thought was class after everyone couldn't shut up about it. I waited a year after the hype, thought it was better than everyone said :

                        Trainspotting. All time classic 🙂

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                        1. JT's Dog
                            12 years, 1 month ago

                            Ashamed to admit it but I went to see sunshine on leith, may only be out in Scotland but they had an homage to the opening scene of train spotting when rent runs in front of car during chase.

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                      4. Del Monte
                        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                        • 13 Years
                        12 years, 1 month ago

                        Best Premier League XI:

                        Cech

                        Zabaleta Kompany Vertonghen Baines

                        Yaya Gerrard

                        Ozil Rooney

                        Van Persie Suarez

                        Name yours?

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                        1. InfamousXI
                          • 12 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          On form or based on known ability?

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                          1. Del Monte
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 13 Years
                            12 years, 1 month ago

                            On current ability?

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                            1. InfamousXI
                              • 12 Years
                              12 years, 1 month ago

                              Same team as your although is run suarez instead of Rooney and have Sturridge alongside RVP. Hazard instead of Gerard.

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                        2. AK â­
                          • 13 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Cech

                          Zabaleta JT Kompany Vertonghen

                          Hazard Yaya Ozil Cazorla

                          Suarez RVP

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                          1. Del Monte
                            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                            • 13 Years
                            12 years, 1 month ago

                            Hazard?

                            He has done nothing to show his class yet

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                            1. AK â­
                              • 13 Years
                              12 years, 1 month ago

                              His stats aren't good maybe, but his influence in the attack is too good.

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                              1. Del Monte
                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                • 13 Years
                                12 years, 1 month ago

                                He does nothing, doesn't create or score

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                                1. AK â­
                                  • 13 Years
                                  12 years, 1 month ago

                                  I can't think of a better wing on the left frankly. His dribbling skills are way too good imo. And the spot kicks are good too. I've followed him, not just in the league but also in European competitions and other competitions. You could see his class if you saw the goals he scored in the Europa League and in the Premier league against Villa last year.

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                        3. pundit of punts
                          • 12 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          I would put Mata in place of Rooney. Rest same.

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                        4. MJ6987
                          • 15 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          DDG
                          Zaba Kompany Vidic Cole
                          Yaya Gerrard
                          Mata Ozil Suarez
                          RVP

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                        5. Wilshere Knowledge
                          • 12 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Cech -> Lloris

                          Gerrard -> Carrick (If you want a balanced midfield)

                          Rooney -> Mata

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                        6. The Shoonchy
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 13 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          De Gea
                          Zabaleta, Kompany, Vertonghen, Evra
                          Yaya Toure, Ozil, Mata, Silva, Hazard
                          Suarez

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                      5. AK â­
                        • 13 Years
                        12 years, 1 month ago

                        Boondock Saints

                        Or

                        Brokeback Mountain?

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                        1. Cheeseoid
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 13 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          What /Who is a Boondock?

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                          1. Alan The Llama
                            • 16 Years
                            12 years, 1 month ago

                            The boondocks is the sticks.

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                            1. Cheeseoid
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • 13 Years
                              12 years, 1 month ago

                              As in pieces of wood? Or somewhere remote? I assume a baseball/ american football/ ice hockey/ baseball team?

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                              1. Alan The Llama
                                • 16 Years
                                12 years, 1 month ago

                                Somewhere remote. The arse end of nowhere.

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                              2. Tiote on Peyote
                                • 14 Years
                                12 years, 1 month ago

                                It's shit.

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                              3. Cheeseoid
                                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                                • 13 Years
                                12 years, 1 month ago

                                Hell it's a film I have never heard of. Looks pretty good too

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                        2. Tiote on Peyote
                          • 14 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Boondock Saints is shit, haven't seen BB.

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                          1. GreennRed
                            • 14 Years
                            12 years, 1 month ago

                            No it's not shit.

                            It's much worse than that.

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                      6. pundit of punts
                        • 12 Years
                        12 years, 1 month ago

                        Who do you think will score the first hattrick this season?

                        Suarez is my guess.

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                        1. InfamousXI
                          • 12 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Rvp in the upcoming weeks

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                        2. AK â­
                          • 13 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          RVP

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                        3. Cheeseoid
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 13 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Benteke maybe

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                        4. Optimus.
                          • 14 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Lukaku

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                          1. Optimus.
                            • 14 Years
                            12 years, 1 month ago

                            +1

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                        5. TorresMagic™
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • Has Moderation Rights
                          • 16 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Torres 🙂

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                          1. pundit of punts
                            • 12 Years
                            12 years, 1 month ago

                            lol

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                        6. Piggs Boson
                          • 14 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Giroud.

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                          1. Piggs Boson
                            • 14 Years
                            12 years, 1 month ago

                            +2

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                        7. GreennRed
                          • 14 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Rooney

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                        8. The Shoonchy
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 13 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Suarez or Sturridge

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                      7. Kudo Warrior
                        • 12 Years
                        12 years, 1 month ago

                        I always have issues browsing this site on my home pc. Doesn't matter which browser I use (FF/IE/Chrome).

                        It either shows me an error page saying "This web page is not available" or loads the page in a retarded way.
                        Works on my work pc and my mobile just fine so I don't think it's an issue with too many users on the site.

                        Any ideas why?

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                        1. Cheeseoid
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 13 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          You will just have to use it all of your working day!

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                          1. Kudo Warrior
                            • 12 Years
                            12 years, 1 month ago

                            I already do. But I don't like too much downtime over the weekend! 🙂

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                        2. GreennRed
                          • 14 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Conflicting with something?

                          Virus? Run a virus scan.

                          When did it last work ok? Try restoring to a point before that?

                          Are you absolutely certain the other sites don't give same problems?

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                          1. Kudo Warrior
                            • 12 Years
                            12 years, 1 month ago

                            Absolutely certain mate. It's never worked fine for me at home. For the last year or so. It's only now I can be arsed to moan about it lol...

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                            1. Kudo Warrior
                              • 12 Years
                              12 years, 1 month ago

                              And I don't think it's something conflicting with it browser based as nothing I use is across all the browsers and it happens in all of them.

                              No viruses on my pc, either. Really weird...

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                              1. GreennRed
                                • 14 Years
                                12 years, 1 month ago

                                What OS are you on? Not too familiar version of Windows but there used to be a kind of System Configuration Utility which allowed you to turn off conflicting stuff on startup, just for troubleshooting.

                                On XP -
                                http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310560

                                I'd say though if you can get by leave well alone. Could get it working fine and fk up something else ðŸ™

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                            2. GreennRed
                              • 14 Years
                              12 years, 1 month ago

                              Uninstall Firefox. Reboot. Try again in Chrome and IE. If not ok. Uninstall Chrome, reboot and try IE. If not ok check in system restore if IE had updates. Try restoring to last IE upgrade point. Try again.

                              What specific problems are you getting ?

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                              1. Kudo Warrior
                                • 12 Years
                                12 years, 1 month ago

                                1. Either the page doesn't load and I get the error I mentioned above.
                                2. The page loads but is just a wire frame with about 20% of the content on it.
                                3. The page loads normally but just cuts off at the bottom
                                4. The page just freezes.

                                Doesn't happen to any other site at all. Just FFS.

                                Thanks for the advice but I don't think browsers conflict with one another.
                                My preference of browsers is Chrome > FF > IE.

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                          1. Kudo Warrior
                            • 12 Years
                            12 years, 1 month ago

                            http://i.imgur.com/Pft0Dmf.jpg 😀

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                            1. Optimus.
                              • 14 Years
                              12 years, 1 month ago

                              😀

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                      8. InfamousXI
                        • 12 Years
                        12 years, 1 month ago

                        Any Man U supporters know if Rafael is a possibility of nailing the RB position?

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                        1. Tiote on Peyote
                          • 14 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          I'd be surprised if he didn't.

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                        2. MJ6987
                          • 15 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          He has.

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                      9. WDT
                        • 13 Years
                        12 years, 1 month ago

                        Think that in basically 1 performance (Montenegro), Townsend's playing style has shone a light on the failings of Walcott/other simply "fast" wingers. He's shown what pace AND skill together can reap, and he looked hugely effective.

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                        1. Cheeseoid
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • 13 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Just saying. It was only Montenegro with a population less than Bristol

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                          1. WDT
                            • 13 Years
                            12 years, 1 month ago

                            didn't really matter who they were, was more his demonstration of close control at speed, and his intelligent changes of direction, movement etc. None of these things had that much to do with the quality of the opposition. Also I live in Bristol, down with these sort of comments..

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                            1. Cheeseoid
                              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                              • 13 Years
                              12 years, 1 month ago

                              Would Bristol be able to put together a team better than Montenegro? I really hope Andros continues showing quality England needs more skillful players

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                        2. TorresMagic™
                          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                          • Has Moderation Rights
                          • 16 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          *contemplates getting Townsend for FPL then sees only 1 assist all season.

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                          1. MJ6987
                            • 15 Years
                            12 years, 1 month ago

                            *then remembers that future points matter more than past ones....

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                            1. Wilshere Knowledge
                              • 12 Years
                              12 years, 1 month ago

                              *then remembers that Townsend isn't Messi.

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                        3. Wilshere Knowledge
                          • 12 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          At the end of the say, Walcott is one of the most effective players in the league when used properly. Townsend will never, ever get close to scoring over 20 goals, with over 15 assists in a season.
                          How will Townsend cope against a full back who knows how to defend? He will have nothing left in his locker.

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                      10. Optimus.
                        • 14 Years
                        12 years, 1 month ago

                        The one and only time i (c) him this season was for his one and only blank 😕

                        https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1383174_718538104826995_1963769014_n.jpg

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                        1. Wilshere Knowledge
                          • 12 Years
                          12 years, 1 month ago

                          Impressive.

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