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Captain Sensible – Gameweek 12

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We roll out the second instalment of our new weekly article for Members this evening, offering an in-depth statistical analysis of the main captaincy contenders for the Gameweek ahead. With Liverpool, City and Arsenal squaring up to some resilient defences, we delve into the data in order to assess our armband possibilities.

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  1. beric
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    just realised suarez is in the the early saturday kick off, might go for rooney instead

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    1. r0nh
      • 15 Years
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      Should I do RVP?

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      1. beric
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        If I had RVP i would definitely (c) him

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        1. r0nh
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          Done.

          Cheers Beric.

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      2. Kudo Warrior
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        If you have him, I would. I'm probably going with Rooney.

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      3. Raddy
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        RVP wasn't even considered in the article 😉

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        1. Mince n Tatties
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          • 12 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          RVP not in the article? I know Marshall has had 2 CS for Scotland but surely a brace for RVP on Sat?

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    2. Kudo Warrior
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      It's always a bad omen. The early Saturday (C) has ruined my weekend on more than one occasion.
      Could this be the one that works? I doubt it, but who knows!

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      1. beric
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        its not that I think it affects his chances, just hate to have used my captain so early

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        1. Kudo Warrior
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          Aye. True.

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    3. Acquafresca
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      I think it's more of a mental thing than a reality. (ie not wanting for you captain to have played before all the other matches) But just captain who you think will score more.

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    4. Gimli son of Gloin
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      Might go for Suarez over Rooney because of that.. can't watch any of the Sunday games :/

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  2. Peggi
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Benteke (C) 😎

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    1. joinho
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Bit risky

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  3. Acquafresca
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Tommy T, having written this article, who are you (c)aptaining mate?

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    1. Optimus.
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Free membership hour is it? 🙂

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      1. r0nh
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Christmas special 🙂

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    2. In Tommy We Trust
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Have a choice between 1, 3, 5 and most likely CU. Leaning towards 5

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      1. Optimus.
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Nicely done 😎 😉

        Di Vinci code..Get cracking Ron 🙂

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        1. JT's Dog
          12 years, 9 months ago

          Tom hanks does fantasy footy captain, must have been directors cut edition

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        2. r0nh
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          Answer = Sturridge

          Doesnt fancy Suarez or Rooney

          😎

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          1. Acquafresca
            • 15 Years
            12 years, 9 months ago

            What the... 😯

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      2. Declan
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Brunt (C) 😯

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        1. In Tommy We Trust
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          😎

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      3. Acquafresca
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Nice. How does 3's stats compare to those of the player that starts with the last letter of 2's name?

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        1. In Tommy We Trust
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          Favourably imo. The last letter of 2 home stats have been reliant on an above than average SAcc and are still lower than 3 in key stats.

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      4. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        I would stay well clear of 3 and 5 ITWT. Don't fancy Burner of Jedinak to do much this weekend.

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        1. In Tommy We Trust
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          😆

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  4. HurriKane
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    12 years, 9 months ago

    Expect Walcott to start he was only out due to a stomach problem plus arsenal need to bounce back after last weeks defeat n he offers much needed width that they lacked 🙂

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    1. Raddy
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      A "stomach problem" that required surgery kept him out for 8 weeks! It's not like he just went too hot with curry the night before...

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      1. Kudo Warrior
        • 13 Years
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        haha! 😀

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  5. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    My armband has been on Rooney for 2 weeks now, no plans to change it.

    Then for next GW

    Oscar and Barkley to Theo and RavMo 😎

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    1. QPR expects... glory!
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      This^ re: Captain.

      I tend to make a bad decision when I over think my Captain options, panic and change things last minute trying to be clever.

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  6. r0nh
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    RVP has averaged 10 points for the last 4 GW's & his form is only B in the watchlist 😯

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    1. joinho
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Still too pricey though

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Watchlist for forwards not updated for this weekend yet.

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    3. Optimus.
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      I would love to have his this week..i wouldn't mind having him in my team either

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      1. r0nh
        • 15 Years
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        Ewwwwww

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  7. joinho
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Still managed not to make a single transfer for GW12 yet and as long as no injuries pop up I might not bother at all...

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    1. joinho
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Team linked, do I actually need to change anything?

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      1. Optimus.
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Nah i'd save transfer

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      2. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 17 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Oscar might be rested considering he played for Brazil. Looks fine otherwise.

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    2. Nice to Finally Michu
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      perhaps get out Fonte

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    3. JT's Dog
      12 years, 9 months ago

      I held out till hour ago,
      The pain was too much

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  8. goneill79
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    I've got issues to sort out in my team but really fighting the urge to do Rooney > RVP

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  9. JT's Dog
    12 years, 9 months ago

    What do people tend to give + 1 for
    A helpful advice
    B interesting stats
    C funny comments
    D posts asking about +1
    Z dyslexia

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    1. JT's Dog
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Not fishing for pluses, just really started doing it myself so just curious
      Should have put lamela Rome posts as well

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    2. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Nothing. I'm banned from giving +1s 🙁

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      1. beric
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        are you really?

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        1. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          Yep. Mark pretty much bullies me 🙁

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          1. TorresMagic™
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 17 Years
            12 years, 9 months ago

            That must be it.

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      2. Optimus.
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        I'm banned from receiving +1's 🙁

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        1. TorresMagic™
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 17 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/stop-lying-and-tell-the-truth.png

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        2. JT's Dog
          12 years, 9 months ago

          I will sneak you some on black market

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        3. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          Something tells me you're not being entirely truthful 😀

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    3. beric
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      a, b & c, you didn't qualify sorry

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      1. JT's Dog
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Boo you

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    4. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Anything harshing someone.

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      1. JT's Dog
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Any particular person

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    5. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      E - interesting posts.

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      1. JT's Dog
        12 years, 9 months ago

        It was only from options available.
        This is my game
        *takes ball and goes home

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  10. Sarri-ball
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    On a wildcard looking goalkeeper options

    A) mignolet,harper play mignolet every week

    Or

    B) vorm,foster play vorm till foster bck then rotate

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    1. goneill79
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      A

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  11. beric
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    it's definitely wise to lose Barkley, right?

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    1. Acquafresca
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Depends for who

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    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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      • 17 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      I will soon but might have to hold another week.

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    3. Red Viper
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      yeah, bad fixtures, rotation threat, dropping in price

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    4. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      I did but I'm not convinced it was the right thing to do. Look at what happened with JWP - he was getting 90 minutes, then got withdrawn - everyone got rid and he's getting 90 again. Everton play 5 mids and he's got to be breathing right down the neck of Osman and Mirallas, at least.

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      1. beric
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        this is my concern, but even if he gets back in he'll always have someone breathing down his own neck

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    5. Optimus.
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      If he's your 5th midfielder i probably would't but if he is your 4th i would consider moving him

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      1. beric
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        I have Brady, RavMo and him, will probably sell for sessegnon

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        1. JK - Cønt ⭐
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          Barkely probably has the highest downside atm. Tough fixtures and not nailed on. I'm holding this week as I feel that if Martinez starts him on Saturday it'll be a good indication of his standing within the team (i.e that he's first choice)

          if not I'll be selling for RavMo

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    6. goneill79
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      The Blues in work seem to think he'll start on Sat cos Osman has been garbage.

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      1. beric
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        cheers, i think he might well too. would much prefer to have Sess for MNF though

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    7. Jake Donahue
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Cant make my mind up, Evertons goals have dried up while he is not on the pitch.

      Is there a chance he could start this week?

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  12. BONZ
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Suarez playing late tonight then kicks off early Sat = HAT TRICK!

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    1. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      I don't see Everton conceding 3 but I'll take it if he does.

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  13. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Hmm, the article makes interesting reading

    2nd thoughts for sure, but not sure who else to go with if not Rooney

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    1. Jake Donahue
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      This week is tough one, I think Rooney is the safest bet

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    2. beric
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      whats your name about?

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  14. Luchogonzalez
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    For this GW:
    McGregor (Boruc)
    Davies Terry Clyne (toure wilson)
    Oscar Brady Coutinho Ramsey (morrison)
    Suarez Lukaku Aguero

    1 FT. 1.8 in the bank.
    Assuming Brady and McGregor are fit, I'm thinking of doing the classic Lukaku-Remy. Good move? I know my sub defenders need work but they can wait I think

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  15. Jordan.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    cricinfo ashes team
    cook (c)
    carberry
    Clarke
    rogers
    Watson
    bell
    haddin
    broad
    swann
    siddle
    harris

    points for fun there,roll on 1130 and come on England...

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    1. Demí
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Which site you playing on?

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      1. Jordan.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        cricinfo

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        1. Demí
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          Oh right. Doing the foxsports one that someone here set up yesterday

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          1. Demí
            • 15 Years
            12 years, 9 months ago

            *Sportal

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      2. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 17 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        http://games.espncricinfo.com/fantasy/homepage.aspx

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      3. Jordan.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        cricinfo ,its carrying on a game that started in the summer in England....

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    2. Demí
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Related note: can't believe Tremlett is getting picked ahead of Finn

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      1. Jordan.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Great to watch cricket in aussie ,the scenery is great,ive been ,fantastic place ,so bright ,great golf courses ,not too busy and regardless of what everybody says the aussie blokes were great to us poms ,great banter,loved it......

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  16. Rinseboy
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Who to bench from Ramsey, Coutinho, Januzaj or Brady...!

    Head says Brady or Januzaj, gut says Courtinho!

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    1. Acquafresca
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Januzaj

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    2. Raddy
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      I know hes against Crystal palace at home...but Brady.

      The others have more chance to EXPLODE.

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      1. Rinseboy
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Thanks both I really wanna play Januzaj!

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  17. goneill79
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone considered Jon Walters?

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    1. beric
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      yeah but it was 2 years ago

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      1. goneill79
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Looking for a few differentials.hes got the fixtures.

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  18. Rinseboy
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    On and risk Wilson or play Chico or Shaw?

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    1. Poseidon. Not arrogant, jus…
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Chico

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    2. Kevin Twine
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Chico.

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  19. JT's Dog
    12 years, 9 months ago

    For the slow times on here I am going to invent a game called
    Guess who the scout is?
    Like the old guess who game with the little flippy faced people with glasses hats bald etc.

    Example being
    Someone says guess who
    Other person says are they Irish
    1st person says yes
    Other person says are they a sex mad bear
    1st person says yes
    Etc.....

    This sounded better in my head

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    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      it's not that slow. 😉

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      1. Dicking Davies
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        thankfully, because it is not a very good game.

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        1. JT's Dog
          12 years, 9 months ago

          Ok let's call it work in progress
          Note to self add boobies to get people interested

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          1. Dicking Davies
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 9 months ago

            yes. the boobie round would be a firm favourite.

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            1. JT's Dog
              12 years, 9 months ago

              Or could just miss out the guess who bit

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  20. Fantasy Ashes
    TorresMagic™
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 17 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    For those interested in Fantasy Ashes.

    Code : 409872

    http://cricketdreamteam.sportal.com.au

    A dozen of us in it atm.

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    1. Dicking Davies
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      then your cricket team is full.

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    2. Acquafresca
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Can I join? 🙂

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      1. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 17 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Sure. Triggerlips set it up.

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    3. JT's Dog
      12 years, 9 months ago

      My life is not that slow 😉

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    4. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Is this one any good TM?

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      1. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 17 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        POINT SCORING
        STAT DESCRIPTION POINTS SCORED
        Runs (Per run scored) 1 Point
        (Duck - Exc. Bowlers) -20 Points

        Scoring Bonus*
        Player score of 100+ in an innings = 20 points
        Player score of 50+ in an innings = 12points

        Wickets (Per wicket) 20 Points
        Economy Rate Bonus**
        2.5 or less r.p.o. = 20 points
        2.51-3.5 r.p.o. = 12 points

        Catch 12 Points
        Runout (All players involved) 15 Points
        Stumping (W'keeper only) 15 Points

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    5. Gnu
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 17 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      A fantasy game based on a 2 team tournament, Wow I can hardly contain my excitement.

      *scurries off to avoid hail of bullets*

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    6. Parm
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      It may be me being dumb, but where is the register button?

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  21. SLOT GACOR MAXWIN
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    What do you think of this team?
    Already made my transfers. just want to hear your opinions on it.

    Mignolet
    Shaw, Coleman, Terry
    Ramsey, Paulinho, Barkley, Yaya Touré
    Agüero, Rooney, Suárez

    Boruc, Januzaj, Davies, Chambers

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    1. Luchogonzalez
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      That curtis davies? If it is I'd play him ahead of coleman/shaw. Januzaj instead of Barkley

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      1. SLOT GACOR MAXWIN
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        yes it is Curtis Davies 🙂 Seriously consider that 🙂 thanx

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    2. QPR expects... glory!
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Totally shabby. How do you expect to score with that front line? 😉

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  22. Sarri-ball
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Wildcard done team for game week set.

    Thots on 11 and captain correct

    Harper if starts or mignolet
    Ridgewell,Sagna,coloccini
    Hazard,nasri,sess,Ramsey
    ROONEY,aguero,Suarez

    Bench
    Raval,baker,Chester

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  23. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    2 questions

    1) Is the last F1 race this weekend?

    2) Is anyone playing the Etana Fantasy F1 game?

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    1. Dicking Davies
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      yes.

      no.

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        well then you are fairly useful to me as far as what I want goes. I'm trying to get a top 500 finish (currently just outside) so I'm looking for the driver who might surprise a few this weekend as my differential that might propel me inside

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        1. Dicking Davies
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          vettel will hand webber a win as a leaving present.

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          1. JK - Cønt ⭐
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 9 months ago

            I have had Webber for the last 4 races

            I'm not sure i agree, it's not like Seb and Webber are bosom buddies.

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  24. chilli con kone
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Could someone please advise me on how advanced Kasami plays for Fulham?

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  25. JT's Dog
    12 years, 9 months ago

    When will they stop adding levels to candy crush?
    It's like they know I won't stop until I win

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    1. beric
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      i've never played it, what do you do?

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      1. Acquafresca
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        its like bejeweled.

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        1. JT's Dog
          12 years, 9 months ago

          This
          But nowhere near as good as
          Guess who the scout is?

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          1. TorresMagic™
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • Has Moderation Rights
            • 17 Years
            12 years, 9 months ago

            J.T.S Dog

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            1. JT's Dog
              12 years, 9 months ago

              Damn your good

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      2. JT's Dog
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Hard to explain, move candy shapes about for points, you would need to download it to see

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        1. beric
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 9 months ago

          yeah i think i know what you mean. think i'll give it a miss

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    2. JWF
      • 17 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      I've been stuck on level 147 for two weeks now.

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    3. Raddy
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      http://www.refinery29.com/2013/10/55594/candy-crush-addiction
      😉

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  26. joinho
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Thinking ah its ok will have the January wildcard soon and then realizing that's not until gw20, gonna have to be VERY strategic with my transfers until then.

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    1. beric
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      i'll try to use it as late as possible too, so more like GW24 is it?

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      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        yeah, if possible I like to use it the last possible week, catches everyone out, especially as my ML leader is a serial copier, if I wc before him and he's still ahead he'll just wc to my exact team.

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    2. QPR expects... glory!
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Strategic? You have a minimum of 9 free transfers between now and then next WC. Forget strategy and just react to form and fixtures

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  27. Rinseboy
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Play Courtinho or Brady this weekend? Already have Suarez playing!

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    1. Demí
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Brady. All set pieces, at home, poorer opposition.

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      1. LeBron - King of Argentina
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Hi Demi!

        Which defender would you get:

        Mertesacker, McAuley or Evans? Could you please provide a justification. It's been really hard for me to pick one. I am torn between McAuley and Evans. I am ditching Baines for one of them.

        My team: http://fantasy.premierleague.com/entry/624174/event-history/11/

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    2. JK - Cønt ⭐
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Brady on set-pieces and pens, and at home to Palace

      Play Brady

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    3. beric
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      brady

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    4. goneill79
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Why own Cout then bench him?

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      1. Rinseboy
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        I just have been caught out this season playing players based on value rather than form/fixtures!

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    5. Optimus.
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Coutinho

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  28. Scotty 34
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Still pondering lukaku Barkley > Remy sess -4

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  29. AK ⭐
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Well. Just as Beric above, I have Barkley. The problem is, I have 3 cheapies (Amalfitano, Barley and JWP) and no money in the bank. I can wait a week and get away with saving the transfer, provided Chester starts. What to do then? I am certainly not taking a hit.

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    1. beric
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      Maybe sell for brady, maybe save the FT imo

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      1. AK ⭐
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 9 months ago

        Well, the fixtures don't look good for JWP and Collins this week who also has a knock. I don't know the latest on Chester, and I am not too keen on starting Barkley. Brady might be the way. Or is it?

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  30. Sarri-ball
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 9 months ago

    Thots on brunt 5.0 was he injured or just out of favour?

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    1. beric
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 9 months ago

      not in FPL

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