[sbu_large_image] Dugout Discussion
7 December 2013 1608 comments
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The early Saturday kick-offs are back and this one delivers an encounter which could bang a final nail in Man United’s title ambitions.

It seems premature and ridiculous to think that the champions could be out of the race before Christmas and yet, anything less than three points today with victories for City, Chelsea and Arsenal over the weekend, would surely leave David Moyes’ side floundering before the Turkey has been basted.

Newcastle can be dangerous opponents – they arrive at Old Trafford having had their four-match winning streak ruthlessly halted by Swansea in midweek. However, Alan Pardew’s side have weapons to hurt the United rearguard and a combative midfield who seem unlikely to surrender control to the home side.

Strangely, many Fantasy managers will struggle to find too much interest in this one. Although, with Wayne Rooney suspended, we can at least run the rule of Robin van Persie. The Dutchman makes a timely return to Moyes’ lineup having recovered from recent injury concerns. His introduction is one of seven changes as Jonny Evans, Phil Jones, Nani, Tom Cleverley, Adnan Januzaj and Javier Hernandez all come in. Chris Smalling, Ryan Giggs, Antonio Valencia, Marouane Fellaini, Danny Welbeck and Shinji Kagawa miss out following Wednesday’s defeat to Everton. As for Newcastle, they make just one change – Vernon Anita is drafted in to bolster the midfield as Shola Ameobi drops to the bench.

Our Dugout Discussion chatroom has opened up for this early clash and will remain available for your real-time requirements right through all today’s seven fixtures.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. SPorting
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Reality Check:

    RvP will return to form.
    MUN will finish in the top 5.
    Moyes will stay as manager and learn from this season.

    Can we all just move on now?

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    1. DRIZ ✅
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      lols

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    2. In Like Flynn.
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      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Yes your majesty.

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      1. SPorting
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Crooning King of Festive Season!

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        1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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          12 years, 4 months ago

          love the grav

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    3. Prime
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      +1

      looking forward to the transfer window

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    4. The Bandit
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      +1
      -1
      +1

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      1. ~SpartakMac
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        +1

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    5. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      I am no longer sure about Moyes. Today's selection was a bit of a shock, to be honest.

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      1. onionbarje
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        who else was he meant to pick, hardly any better options

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        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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          • 16 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          Welbeck, for a start. Also Valencia. To pick Nani was a dead giveaway.

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          1. Chu Young Ping Pong
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            I really don't understand your love for Welbeck 😀

            He's awful. He shouldn't play for a team like United.

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            1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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              • 16 Years
              12 years, 4 months ago

              That is because there are serious holes in your understanding of the game.

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              1. Chu Young Ping Pong
                • 13 Years
                12 years, 4 months ago

                I'm sure I understand the game better than you!

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      2. Chu Young Ping Pong
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        I'm sure you're saying that cuz Welbeck wasn't playing lol

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        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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          • 16 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          Indeed. Part of it.

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          1. Chu Young Ping Pong
            • 13 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            :D!!

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    6. rohan
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Okay. 🙁

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    7. 4-4-who?
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Comedy moment lol

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    8. Obi Wan Elokobi
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Didn't the same sort of thing happen to Leeds?

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    9. liamhennessy
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      What, after less than 10 minutes???

      AVB has been getting it for weeks, and hasn't been out of the top 10 yet.

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    10. RÏɠBY
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      i'll give you top ten

      maybe

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    11. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Top 5 is hardly something to be happy about from a United perspective though 🙂

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    12. gatzi
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      5th? 🙂

      High flyers....oaft!

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    13. GTS
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      thank you

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  2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
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    • 16 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    I am, however, sad for Moyes. But it is clear that his judgement is not up to the top level.

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      he really does need time tho, to mold his own team, we know he can do it......... managers arent given the chance tho in these times

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      1. 4-4-who?
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Martinez is doing better than Moyes ever did at Everton. Does he need time too?

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        1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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          12 years, 4 months ago

          with the young fresh squad that moyes had rather than the tired set of rabble utd had (which alex was a genius at motivating)

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        2. Wirtzle Gummidge
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          Martinez was hired as he is a great manager.

          Moyes was hired as he is Scottish.

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    2. Crouch Potato!
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      SAF left him with a mess tbh.

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      1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        If both of these are true - and they are - what about today's team selection, eh?

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      2. 4-4-who?
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        What a load of tosh. He left them as Champions.

        Why can't United fans see it for what it is??????

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        1. onionbarje
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          we won because everyone was inconsistent last year, didn't you notice in the UCL we struggled.

          everyone improved their squad this year except us

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        2. Crouch Potato!
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          Ain't a Utd fan, you telling me even last season Young, Nani, Kags, Smalling, etc are good enough. Plus Giggs. Compare to where the other big clubs are at.

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    3. Simon69
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      I would have to disagree with you. He hasn't made any ridiculous calls in regards to his first team picks. I just think we're lacking quality

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      1. Captain Shirokov
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Mixture of both really.

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      2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Well, that is your right, which I respect. But you are wholly wrong about your squad.

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        1. onionbarje
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          why do you think our squad is good. Is it because we won last year or something, i think you need to realised everyone improved this year except us

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          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            It is a typical sign of frustration to say buy,buy, buy.

            I say that your squad is excellent.

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  3. Scottys Army
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    low scoring week for me i can sense it,

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  4. OPTA FPL
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    why so United haters here?

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      It is trendy. There is also a lot of silliness.

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    2. Obi Wan Elokobi
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Because of their fans

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      1. OPTA FPL
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        what did they do?

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        1. Obi Wan Elokobi
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          Majority of them clueless glory hunters, that know nothing about football but the result at the end of the game

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    3. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Because of their success, to be honest.

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  5. Bielsa's Bucket
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Where does everyone think United are realistically aiming to finish? I think they will struggle to get a top 6 finish with the likes of Everton, Spurs, Pool, Arsenal, Chelsea, City pushing hard. Then you gotta consider Southampton and Newcastle playing some wonderful football.

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    1. Captain Shirokov
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      They have to be aiming for top 4. Doesn't mean they'll get it.

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    2. The Abyss
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      I predict a relegation battle! 😀

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    3. get_in
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Top 8 at least but outside of top 4

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    4. onionbarje
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      8th

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  6. pundit of punts
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Oh Moyes, what have you done to United? Appalling to say the least.

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  7. Obi Wan Elokobi
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Could do with a penalty save and clean sheet from Mignolet today to avoid his price drop

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  8. The Finnisher
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    I wonder how Fergie would have gone without a fit RVP or Carrick last season.

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    1. Obi Wan Elokobi
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      And Howard Webb?

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  9. Mojo Rojo
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Was fuming when Cabaye picked up that early YC... Redeemed himself with some decent points though 🙂

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  10. iamgooner
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    anyone planning for bringing in a Newcastle defender?

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  11. Total Foot 5
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    SISOKO has no had a good 2-3 matches...might,just might b a good 5th mid

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  12. Captain Shirokov
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    What I want to know is how did United even manage to end up with such a poor squad in the first place?

    Surely a club of their stature should have better players than Cleverly, Nani, Valencia, Young, Smalling, Anderson, Welbeck and Fellaini.

    😆

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    1. OPTA FPL
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      feck Glazers

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    2. onionbarje
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      blame Fergie for being so stubborn

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  13. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    They should get Guus Hiddink in for 2-3 season till they find a proper non-mid table manager.

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  14. r0nh
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Pardew sounds pissed 😆

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  15. Andrew
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    This is probably stupid but have they stopped showing you the most captained and vice captained players on the status page?

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    1. JWF
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Yes

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  16. Optimus.
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Without Wayne Rooney's goals this season Utd would be 7th in the Championship

    Stat!Fact!

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    1. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      😆

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    2. r0nh
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      😆

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  17. PINKFISH (SANCTIONED AND GA…
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Howay The Lads! :):

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  18. FORCA INTER
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    i can't stop laughting at UTD

    i just can't

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    1. Captain Shirokov
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      It's brilliant, isn't it?

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    2. DRIZ ✅
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      wow -12 point hit forca?

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      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        He's getting desperate.

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  19. Viper
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Any surprises on the team sheets today? Any fantasy assets of note benched?

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    1. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Michael Turner's back, that's all you need to know 😎

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    2. Andrew
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Don't think so - Lampard is on the bench.

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  20. xuwei
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    So if United finish out of the top 4 could it go bankrupt?

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    1. JWF
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Lol. No.

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    2. I am not a smart guy
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      They still have a lot of fans

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  21. JWF
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Assuming Cabaye will get the winning goal BPS and move onto 3BPs?

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  22. Dr Dream
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Man United twelve points off the top and twelve points off relegation...I make that distinctly average...

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    1. Crouch Potato!
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      That's prior to rest of fixtures.

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      1. Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Very true..they may well be well below average...The table doesn't lie to quote Fergie.

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  23. DRIZ ✅
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    Rooney well rested and will play every game from next week. Good for FPL.

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    1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      - and my team, I hope! 😀

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  24. rohan
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Tim Krul is awesome 😀

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    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      if you dont finish top 100 this season ill be disappointed, everything is goin your way

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      1. rohan
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        A lot depends on Gerrard (c) tonight mate.

        I hope he gets those points. Took a massive risk

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    2. RabMac
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      This is my first season and after a horrendous start I have managed to get in the top 500K. I would be delighted to finish top 100K or even 250K. Next season hopefully I do not make the same mistakes and change things earlier than I did.

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  25. karankachiefs
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    2 words. Tim krul!

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    1. rohan
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      😎

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      1. karankachiefs
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        12 years, 4 months ago

        Is he on for 3 baps?

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  26. BantamPhil
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    Just shows how reliant Man Utd are on Rooney at the moment, such a poor performance

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  27. Andrew
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    Yay Januzaj got more than 1 point for me

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  28. Wilshere Knowledge
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Remy + Evra 😀

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  29. Wirtzle Gummidge
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    It is clear how essential Rooney is to everything United do. I hope RvP stops playing silly b*llocks every other week so they can play the football United need to be playing.

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  30. Parm
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    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Moyes getting so much criticism, but the main issue is lack of motivation from the players out there today. Did any of then really want it more than Toon did?

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    1. Optimus.
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Agree the players need to kop some of the blame also

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    2. Wilshere Knowledge
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      isnt that part of the manAgers job?

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    3. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Moyes has them playing static football. Almost no movement off the ball.

      Jowke.

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    4. Captain Shirokov
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      And who is responsible for motivating them?

      Moyes.

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    5. isacki: full casual
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Isn't that what the previous manager did?

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    6. Piggs Boson
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      They need to go watch Rooney or Giggs videos.

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    7. TheSteady ¤ Wines th…
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      Evans.

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