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7 December 2013 1608 comments
Mark Mark
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The early Saturday kick-offs are back and this one delivers an encounter which could bang a final nail in Man United’s title ambitions.

It seems premature and ridiculous to think that the champions could be out of the race before Christmas and yet, anything less than three points today with victories for City, Chelsea and Arsenal over the weekend, would surely leave David Moyes’ side floundering before the Turkey has been basted.

Newcastle can be dangerous opponents – they arrive at Old Trafford having had their four-match winning streak ruthlessly halted by Swansea in midweek. However, Alan Pardew’s side have weapons to hurt the United rearguard and a combative midfield who seem unlikely to surrender control to the home side.

Strangely, many Fantasy managers will struggle to find too much interest in this one. Although, with Wayne Rooney suspended, we can at least run the rule of Robin van Persie. The Dutchman makes a timely return to Moyes’ lineup having recovered from recent injury concerns. His introduction is one of seven changes as Jonny Evans, Phil Jones, Nani, Tom Cleverley, Adnan Januzaj and Javier Hernandez all come in. Chris Smalling, Ryan Giggs, Antonio Valencia, Marouane Fellaini, Danny Welbeck and Shinji Kagawa miss out following Wednesday’s defeat to Everton. As for Newcastle, they make just one change – Vernon Anita is drafted in to bolster the midfield as Shola Ameobi drops to the bench.

Our Dugout Discussion chatroom has opened up for this early clash and will remain available for your real-time requirements right through all today’s seven fixtures.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Proggy
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    Debuchy came so close!!!

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    1. Breadbin
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Yeah, if only he'd have shot the ball at another area of the goal away from the goalkeepers reach, like all shots that are on target and don't result in goals.

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      1. Proggy
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        12 years, 4 months ago

        Yup, I was so close to a Remy assist. 🙁

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        1. Breadbin
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          12 years, 4 months ago

          I'd have 100 more assists in my team is every shot resulting from a pass from one of my players wasn't saved. Where is the justice?

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      2. RoysCallerAnne
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Why always so sarcastic? When you do post FPL advice, it's usually good so why not stick to that and the world will be a nicer place

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        1. Breadbin
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          12 years, 4 months ago

          Not always, just now and then. Thanks for the FPL advice stuff, I'll do some more of that shortly.

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  2. Grumpy Camel
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    Impotent = unable to take effective action. Helpless and powerless.
    Sounds a lot like Man U.

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    1. Breadbin
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      As Pele would say "Talk to your doctor, I would".

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      1. Vague88
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        12 years, 4 months ago

        Sounds more like something Yoda would say.

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    2. OPTA FPL
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Ben Arfa is 10 times better than Sissoko for playing in the hole.

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  3. r0nh
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    The half time whistle couldnt come quick enough for Utd!!!

    Supposed to be 3 mins added, Moyes was bricking it & paid the ref to blow it up early.

    Typical Utd, Bribing refs 🙄

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    1. Get up ya bum
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Moyes time

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  4. rohan
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    One pass catches the entire back line ball watching. How they miss Carrick

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  5. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Evans on max Bps. Ill take that thankyou very much.

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    1. don parcheesi
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      he and Vidic are the only bright spots for United.

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      1. RedNev
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        12 years, 4 months ago

        Adnan had a good half.

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        1. don parcheesi
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          12 years, 4 months ago

          meh, I guess, if you account for his age/stage of development. Good stuff for a young player, but 2+ mistakes per half shouldn't cut it

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    2. Les Bleus
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      You do know there is another half right? Football is a game of two halves my friend

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      1. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
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        12 years, 4 months ago

        🙂

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    3. NATSTER
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      If only he's nailed on, he would be a great pick.

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  6. RoysCallerAnne
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Old Trafford snooze. I think I'll join my little girls watching Barbie Magical Christmas.

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    1. Get up ya bum
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Good choice 🙂

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    2. Bartowski
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Didn't realise they'd made a film out of Ronaldo's autobiography...

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  7. Valar(Keith)
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    Debuchy playin his way into my team ahead of the boring distin

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    1. Chu Young Ping Pong
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Don't go there. Trust me. He will only get own goals, yellow card and red cards.

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    2. doggies
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Not sure if serious? Have you seen distin's GW16-22 fixtures and everton has kept 5 CS's in 6..

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  8. isacki: full casual
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    A few personal ratings in the first half:

    Hernandez 7
    Januzaj 6
    Vidic 6
    Cleverley 5
    Jones 4
    Evra 3
    Nani 3

    Debuchy 7
    Remy 6
    Sissoko 6
    Anita 6
    Cabaye 6
    Santon 4

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    1. The Finnisher
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Williamson 7

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      1. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Yeah they have dealt with that barrage pretty well. Coloccini 6

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    2. Chu Young Ping Pong
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Nani 6

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    3. Heydudes13
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Jones and Cleverley higher than Januzaj.

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      1. isacki: full casual
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        12 years, 4 months ago

        IMO CM has been your area of weakness this game (and Newcastle have more possession) so they have to share responsibility for that. They haven't made any obvious errors but looked limited with the ball. Cleverley did ping a couple of nice diagonals earlier but seems to have slowly retreated.

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        1. isacki: full casual
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          12 years, 4 months ago

          Mulling over it I think I'll add a couple to Jones 😆

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      2. Lawrø
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        12 years, 4 months ago

        😆

        Good one.

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    4. The Light Knight
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Bit harsh on Jones and Nani imo
      RVP 2

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      1. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Oh definitely. His set piece radar is a bit off today too.

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    5. FPLCEO
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Jones worked pretty hard and was prob worth 5/6 other than that your scores look spot on to me

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      1. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Maybe been a bit harsh on him yeah, he has worked hard as usual and dropped back to receive the ball when the defence is closed down in possession. Call it a 5, maybe 6.

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    6. GTS
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      and RvP?

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      1. isacki: full casual
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        3 and I think I'm being generous

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        1. GTS
          • 12 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          oh so they stink atm..

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  9. The Finnisher
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Evans 4 BPS without the CS?

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    1. Breadbin
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Yep, lots not count those chickens. United CS is a rarity.

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      1. The Finnisher
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        I've not got him, just wondering what he's done to be 1 of 2 United players over 1 BPS (Evra the other with 2)

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        1. Breadbin
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          Probably reached the magical 30 passes with a percentage completion over 90. Expect the others to catch up shortly after the break. Evans looking good though.

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          1. isacki: full casual
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            Good point.

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  10. The Light Knight
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Lots of crosses. RVP not fit. A game made for Fellaini in the hole...... oh

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    1. isacki: full casual
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Give the little pea some stilts

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      1. The Light Knight
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        or some MiracleGro in his half time water(ing)

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        1. isacki: full casual
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          lol ILLEGAL

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  11. r0nh
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Bet now!!!

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    1. Breadbin
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      'ave a bang on that.

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  12. Laserface
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Good movement but Poor passing .. United need to pull up their socks now !!

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  13. The Sarjeant
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    I can honestly see United not making the top four.

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    1. Breadbin
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      It's between them, Spurs, Everton and Liverpool. Close battle.

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      1. The Sarjeant
        • 12 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        United will easily finish above Spurs. If Liverpool carry on like this, they'll get 4th, even though I'd prefer Everton!

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        1. Breadbin
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          Easily? If Spurs new faces start to click into gear they'll be up there. Not a given.

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          1. HVT
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 15 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            Given plays for boro

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    2. Elniñorules
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      *bottom four?

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    3. Noisy Neighbour
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Way too early to write them off yet. Less than half the season gone, still have the transfer window to refresh the squad. Still, I am enjoying the hole they've dug for themselves.

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  14. Elniñorules
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    4-4-2 in modern football doesn't work more often than not.

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    1. Granville
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Works for City.

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      1. LewanGOALski
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        It's more 4-2-2-2

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      2. Elniñorules
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        City don't play with classic wingers though. So essentially a 4-2-2-2

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        1. Granville
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          So Navas isn't a classic winger? Nasri and Adnan play the same kind of game, coming inside lots.

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  15. Proggy
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    I can see this either being a goalless draw or both teams scoring.

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    1. r0nh
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      😆

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  16. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    I think moyes will have a chance to make some signing in January. if it does not click, he will be out.

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    1. RoysCallerAnne
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      I'd be very surprised if they sack him

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      1. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
        • 14 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        They need to get Martinez in.

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        1. Breadbin
          • 15 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          If he doesn't work out, then Martinez replacement will be whoever replaces him at Everton.

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          1. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
            • 14 Years
            12 years, 4 months ago

            Haha. But i honestly rate Martinez higher than Moyes. United are static and pretty useless at the moment.

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    2. Plagued by indecision
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      I find all this so amusing given that Moyes was widely considered "The Right Choice" at the time, and Martinez had just got relegated with Wigan. A manager's not just for Christmas.

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      1. Granville
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 16 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        The comments about Martinez are laughable. The real problem is lack of depth in the squad particuarly in the centre of midfield.

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    3. GTS
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Enter Baines.

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  17. Fin
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    What to people make of that "RVP handing in the tranny request" story?

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    1. El Berbossa - \\\"El b…
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      pure bs.

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      1. Plagued by indecision
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        unadulterated

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    2. Elniñorules
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      is the tranny hot?

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    3. Breadbin
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Surprised some clown making up a story gained legs.

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      1. Fin
        • 13 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Lawro was the first to say it

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        1. Beavis
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          Clown sounds about right then.

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        2. Lawrø
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          2-0

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    4. Wilshere Knowledge
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Absolute rubbish.

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    5. rohan
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      The little boy has grown up

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    6. don parcheesi
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      Who gives a shit, he's dead to me.

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    7. Bartowski
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Well if Rooney is allowed a Granny request you can't really blame him

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    8. Noisy Neighbour
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      We'll take him at City. We could use an upgrade on our 3rd striker.

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  18. Waynoo
    • 12 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    i had Newcastle DC at 13/8

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    1. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      He really doesn't care about the team does he?

      He's probably watching his bank balance fill up with wages.

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      1. Optimus.
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        Checking out FFS for Demis lineups 🙂

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        1. Piggs Boson
          • 14 Years
          12 years, 4 months ago

          🙂

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  19. La Roja
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Bale out due to illness

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    1. Noisy Neighbour
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Finally, a week where I'm glad he's no longer in the Premier League, because he would have surely been in my team.

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  20. FPL Daniel
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    I will be so happy when RVP plays Europa League next season and Arsenal have at least 15 pts more than them 😛

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    1. RocketMan
      • 13 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      i can't see them being top 5 at the moment, look so sluggish and unsure of things

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    2. Get up ya bum
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Would have thought arsenal fans would know better than to gloat before xmas by now 😉

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  21. RocketMan
    • 13 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Possible for some advice please

    A) migs -> Howard
    B) clyne -> Distin
    C) Cout -> oscar

    or all?

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    1. ILOVEBAPS
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      B

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  22. HVT
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Next week gonna be tough can't believe I'm playing Chester and benching Mertsacker !

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    1. MJ6987
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Where has Keano gone? That Grav doesn't suit you?

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  23. Crouch Potato!
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Derby 4-1 up, Martin hattie, RC for Blackpool, 4th in under 2 games.

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    1. The Light Knight
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      Super Chrissie Martin.
      Was always one of my faves at Norwich

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  24. tw
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    how did newcastle get a point ahead of united? 😯

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    1. Get up ya bum
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      skillz

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    2. sy
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      They won 4 games on the trot!

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    3. don parcheesi
      • 15 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      sneaky frenchmen...

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  25. Piggs Boson
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    This game needs more Carrick and Rooney.

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    1. rohan
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      This. Don't agree with RVP dropping deep. Gonna Tire himself out sooner

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  26. nevertrustbony
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    Is Ravel suspended for next week too?

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    1. GTS
      • 12 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      nope.

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  27. r0nh
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    12 years, 4 months ago

    Rumours on Twitter that Suarez isnt in the squad today 😯

    Apparently he is down his local having a few pints.

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    1. Declan-
      • 14 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      That wouldn't be great as I captained Clyne 😆

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  28. Chaps Before Baps
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    Kaspersky owners!

    I'm picking up virus attacks when attempting to connect to TFPL, be careful until this dies down. Surf Safe.

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    1. Get up ya bum
      • 16 Years
      12 years, 4 months ago

      So only kaspersky owners should surf safe? Racist!

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      1. Chaps Before Baps
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        12 years, 4 months ago

        LOL! It seem to be a Kaspersky related attack 🙂

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  29. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    12 years, 4 months ago

    https://vine.co/v/hvp2Km9g9YI

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    1. Piggs Boson
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      12 years, 4 months ago

      I thought I understood physics.

      Not anymore 😯

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