[sbu_large_image] Preamble
19 April 2014 1069 comments
Mark Mark
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Ultimate is a big word and, I have to admit, having tinkered with the Premier League’s new Fantasy game offering I was more than a little skeptical.

Initially I missed the interaction of weekly transfers. I seemed able to absorb injuries and loss of form with some ease, very rarely having to consider thinking outside of my 25-man squad. Equally, I was able to put out a strong XI, leading to me to think that the formula for success was simply to concentrate on the familiar big hitters and pad the squad out with cheap fodder. Most of all, I feared that the robust player template that has somewhat hindered variety in the Fantasy Premier League (FPL) this season, would be an even greater obstacle in the Ultimate scenario.

As the season has progressed, however, mounting injuries and suspensions have gradually unlocked new experiences that I’ve rarely seen in other Fantasy games, with new subtle strategies revealing themselves.

I never really thought I’d be watching out for Kenwyne Jones’ points and yet, today, I’m hoping he gets a run-out against his former club in hope he can deliver for my Ultimate lineup. Equally, I’m left pondering just how many defenders to include on my bench to cover myself over the Gameweek and whether Jake Livermore’s combative qualities against Arsenal will see him outscore the cavalier Raheem Sterling at Carrow Road. Suddenly players that have long been redundant in FPL, are real factors in my thinking for the weekend.

It’s Ultimate’s loan system that could just be the killer mechanic. While we’re robbed of free weekly transfers, the ability to loan in players for varied point costs offers the option to freshen things up and replace injured squad members. As mentioned, at first this seems redundant – a few Gameweeks in and it seems you rarely need to look beyond your existing setup. Two months into the season, this view will change dramatically.

In both my Ultimate seasons so far, my injury list has mounted up by seven or eight Gameweeks in, forcing me to consider emergency loans. While at first this seems restrictive – with point costs a considerable barrier – eventually the appeal of dipping into the loan market reveals itself.

While any number of players can be shipped in as part of a loan agreement, you can only have one agreement in place at once. In addition, the longer you loan in a player, the cheaper he costs and the more value you can potentially extract from them. Both elements are crucial to the strategy of playing the loan market. Both seem skillfully designed and may just be the key to making Ultimate a major pull to the dedicated Fantasy manager.

I’m sitting here this morning with Eden Hazard and Yaya Toure both laid low – the need to bring in some loan replacements is obvious. The trick, however, is not so much to identify the targets but to consider just how much I pay for their services before I recall both Hazard and Toure. I have to consider when they will be back to fitness and when their services will be preferred to the players I’m loaning in. I also have to be sure that, if I agree a long-term agreement today, I’m not going to regret that a week from now and be boxed in. I can only have one agreement in place, so settle on a four-Gameweek term for players today and I’m forced to cancel this agreement and lose those points should I need further loans during that spell. These are avenues I’ve never been asked to explore in other Fantasy games, not least FPL. It’s demanding but it feels good to be applying new areas of the grey matter to my Saturday Fantasy thinking.

Equally, the fears over the template squad are somewhat dispelled by the loan system. The players I can bring in can be effective differentials – Christian Eriksen was selected by under 4% of Ultimate players in their initial squads, which is no surprise given his form at the time. Those who loan him now are certain to get an edge, knowing that those who wish to cover this will have to pay points – up to ten, if they are to benefit from his close season form.

Eriksen has scored 49 points over his last four Gameweeks – if I spend ten points on loaning him in until Gameweek 38, will he pay that back with dividends and outscore the player he replaces? This is a far easier decision when he’s replacing the injured Toure, but I ask myself whether I’d be brave enough to start using loans to replace active but out-of-form members of my squad.

That strategy offers a route for a whole new “maverick” Fantasy manager. They will have the option to back their talent to hit form players as a method of closing in on those who perhaps were able to construct strong squads with their initial selections. The mini-league leaders will be there to be shot at, reluctant to spend points to replace active players, while those chasing can play the loan system to find differentials and hope to close in.

My failing FPL season has undoubtedly allowed me to focus on Ultimate in the past month. I’m not sure how comfortable I’ll be should they compete for my attention in equal measure. I do know that Ultimate brings something new to the table – I’m making new decisions, toying with new strategies and looking out for Kenwyne Jones. Believe it or not, that feels good.

Mark Mark created the beast. He's now looking to tame it.

  1. Van Dal
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    If both fit who for the season:

    Mata

    Rooney

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    1. Kudo Warrior
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Rooney

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    2. Art Vandelay
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      With City's dwindling options, I think I will get both in next week.

      Rooney if only one.

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    3. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
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      11 years, 11 months ago

      rooney I would say

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    4. Baz
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      11 years, 11 months ago

      rooney

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  2. Henry Hill
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    11 years, 11 months ago

    Anyone else hear the rumour that Demi is working for Crystal Palace now?

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    1. Van Dal
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Doing what?

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      1. Evs
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        • 16 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Providing early insight to team lineups 😉

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  3. Kudo Warrior
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    11 years, 11 months ago

    I'm not comfortable going in to this GW with my ML rival having 2 injured players as he may end up making good changes instead of keeping his shit picks!

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  4. Sean.
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    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    It's a strange one.the Ultimate loan system,
    Brought in Aguero and Mirallas last week for Rooney and Hazard -8
    And although they had 8 and 7 pts respectively , taking the hit into account
    and leaving Sterling (9) on the bench because of the extra options
    it didn't turn out to be a very good move after all.
    I think captaincy choices are the key to this game
    i.e a bit of a gamble on the first day, keep if it works or play safe sunday

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  5. Colonel Shoe 肝池
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    11 years, 11 months ago

    urghhh defence next week looks awful

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    1. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      everton can clean sheet imo, jay rod is massive miss for southampton. man city can too, and arsenal have a nice fixture (who i guess you dont have)

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  6. Evs
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    • 16 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    I've not taken part in UFPL beta lads as I've been too busy to mess with that as well.

    How would you rate it compared to normal fpl?

    Also, isn't it chargeable next year ?

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    1. Sean.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I really enjoy it and don't mind paying next year
      ( great if your having a mare in FPL esp )

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    2. Reddonkeyham 42
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      11 years, 11 months ago

      Is ultimate the new format for next year?

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      1. Konig Luther
        • 13 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        no... its a second game

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    3. Reckoner
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      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I think luck with injuries will be a huge part of it. Also making sure you have a good Saturday/Sunday rotation.

      The loan system seems too punitive in terms of points deductions to really be worth it.

      I am really enjoying it, part of that is having been in the top 100 a bit, which will never happen for me in the main game.

      Still not sure how you would ever make a mid-season comeback, e.g. if you had picked Walcott, Aguero etc. this season, you would either be leaving huge value out injured or murdered by repeat loan fees.

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      1. Mark
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        • 19 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Do you not back yourself to get loans that can make a difference though. If somebody had got Eriksen four Gamweeks ago on a loan deal they would have seen 49 points from him so, even with the ten removed, that's a healthy profit. The key also is that very few managers would have Eriksen because he was not a target with initial squads so hit a differential with a loan and you can really make up ground. Like I say below, if you bring in a loan differential and he comes off with the captaincy, it can be a huge factor.

        If you had Walcott in your initial squad then yes, it would hurt but you'd have a slab of cash you could spend in the loan market which, if you could find the form players, could easily compensate.

        I think it could be balanced really well but time will tell.

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        1. Wet Knee Houston
          • 12 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          Please stop giving advices, some of us are trying to win and you're killing all the differentials 🙂 I knew this will start some day, i was hoping it would be only next season.

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        2. Reckoner
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          • 14 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          Wow, I get a reply from Mark, and I'm busy dealing with the damn baby and don't reply until we are 4 pages behind.

          For what it's worth...I do see your point. I think the problem is you do need those loans to come off fairly heavily, and often they won't. Being an analyst in my day job, I tend to think big picture, and I reckon across the whole population in a decent % of cases loans will lose you points. I suppose this means they become something that the best or the luckiest can exploit, not a weekly tactic.

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    4. Mark
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      • 19 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I think the week to week is less involved because of the prices not factoring. A lot of thought has to go into the initial squad and then you only really have to engage in depth when you decide its time to pursue a loan agreement. Then it's down to how many players you need and for how long - the strategies involved in that are new and enjoyable though because you genuinely feel you can make a big difference with loans - particularly if you bring in differential players which can be given the armband.

      I'm pretty sure there will be a charge per team - not sure on the team limit. I think it can run alongside FPL pretty seamlessly because often the same players are targets week to week.

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      1. Evs
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        • 16 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Interesting.

        I wish I had a dabble this year, but been manic at HQ this year.

        Maybe I'll start next year, and TM can give me tips 😉

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        1. TorresMagic™
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          • 16 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          😯

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  7. nesta807
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Repost.

    Who to bench?
    Sterling-Norwich (racked up 12 pts in reverse fixture)
    Lallana-villa
    Mutch - STOKE
    Puncheon - west ham
    Erikson is my other mid and is def starting 11.

    I have SAR as my strike force

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    1. Baz
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      mutch

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  8. Somalion
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Well that's me some, cheers for the advice on the last page guys.

    Adrian

    Azpi Chambers Ward

    Eriksen Stevie G Lallana Mata

    Aguero Lukaku Suarez

    Mannone Distin MOlsson Noone

    (-4)

    Captaincy yet to be finalised 😉

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  9. Tommytour
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Anyone in a non gambling country found a way around UFPL?

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    1. Konig Luther
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      change you country to england and then i use zenmate chrome extension to change my IP... shhhh

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      1. Tommytour
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        May need help doing so in summer 😉

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        1. Konig Luther
          • 13 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          next season, you pay to play, so you never can win that money again

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    2. The Shoonchy
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      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      My country (Maldives) is a non-gambling one
      But I'm still playing UFPL

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  10. snowman
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Anyone holding onto Yaya with hope he will be back next week?

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    1. Holmes
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Holding but dont have any hope of him returning next week

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    2. Your Mum Zohore
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Thinking of that, but I can't have both Yaya and Silva injured, have to let Yaya go for now =(

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  11. Orion
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Lukaku to Aguero for a hit?

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    1. Chucky
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      lol no

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      1. Orion
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Cheers ! Just needed someone to convince me 😀

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        1. Tommytour
          • 15 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          Yes 🙂

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    2. nashi
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      yes

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  12. YodaSolar
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    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Arghhhh I stupidly did an early transfer this week and he's injured. Do I swap Silva out (for Gerrard/Mata) for a hit or bench him?

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    1. Reddonkeyham 42
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Whos on your bench

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      1. YodaSolar
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        • 12 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Mutch, Collins and Gabbidon. It's a weak bench!

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    2. Orion
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      play him

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  13. Pablitto
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    The quick one:
    Play Mutch or Lukaku?

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    1. Puzzle
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      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Lukaku

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    2. SvenGoranErskine
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      The really frustrating Belgian... I know... Mutch scores a hattie. I'm playing both
      Mutch, ramsey, gerrard, eriksen

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  14. Holmes
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    What should be order of my Bench?
    Currently: Bacuna, Dummet, Chester

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    1. Tricknova
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      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      As you have it imo

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  15. DonTheSpecialOne
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    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Morning chaps,

    Boruc
    Coleman Baines Azpi
    Lallana Eriksen Silva Punch
    Aguero Suarez Lukaku

    Lallana -> Gerrard for a hit or just leave it as it is?

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    1. Somalion
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      I'd probably make the move but Lallana is so unpredictable.

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      1. DonTheSpecialOne
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Yeah it's so annoying!

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        1. Somalion
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          Yeah, forced into keeping him this week but it's a very tough decision to make. Maybe not for the hit.

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          1. DonTheSpecialOne
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            • 15 Years
            11 years, 11 months ago

            Thanks Somalion. Still 10 mins 🙂 heh

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    2. Henry Hill
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Leave it, Villa defence is poor and Lallana could do well

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      1. DonTheSpecialOne
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        • 15 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        There's good arguments for both way, not easy to decide.

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    3. Tommytour
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Leave I like Lallana this week

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      1. DonTheSpecialOne
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        • 15 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Cheers, but so did I last week.

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  16. Your Mum Zohore
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Not sure if I should go with Aguero or Rooney, please help!!!!!

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    1. nashi
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Aguero, Rooney next week

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      1. Your Mum Zohore
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        thanks!

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  17. Zombie
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Please chose 1 to play: Ward, AJ, Coleman

    So far I'm at Ward..Benching AJ & Coleman (in that order)

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  18. Colonel Shoe 肝池
    • 14 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    friendly reminder to check youve pressed CONFIRM 😉

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    1. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      just bought something on ebay i don't want now!

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      1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        i should have been more specific 😳

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      2. Evs
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        • 16 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Wasn't David Silva was it 😆 ?!??!!!!

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        1. applebonkers
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          • 16 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          ha, not quite. they only accpeted yaya trades for him rather than paypal

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    2. Evs
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      😯

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  19. waltzingmatildas
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Should I play boruc or speroni? RMT gives speroni a higher score but tells me to bench him (becuase I have ward?)

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  20. UberSaint
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Adrian
    Azp Flanagan Coleman Mariappa
    Silva Eriksen(v) Sterling
    Dzeko Suarez(c) Lukaka
    Subs: Mannone Johnson Yaya Bardsley

    Should I take -4 hit to swap Yaya for Nasri? Any advice much appreciated !!

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    1. nashi
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      get Nasri

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  21. jaco
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Right think I am set Subs in right order?

    Coleman Snoddy ward

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  22. Whitman2013
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Aww a little help please lads?

    Current team

    Marshall
    Coleman azpi ward
    Mitch eriksen Sala lallana
    Dzeko lukaku Suarez (c)

    At this point both me and my rival have taken a -4 so any extra hit is like the first hit

    9.2 itb should I just roll with this? Or?

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    1. Whitman2013
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Oh and I have a 56 point lead and mu rivals front three is Suarez aguero lukaku

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    2. Chucky
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Dzeko to bony 😉

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    3. Puzzle
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      A few uncertainties, but no clear alternatives for a hit for this week. Save

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  23. Puzzle
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    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    A few benching dillemmas to solve:

    Silva or Puncheon?
    Flanagan or Chambers?

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    1. drogbaism
      • 12 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Bench Silva, his chances for playing today don't look too good, Puncheon is in great form. I'd go for Flanagan too, Southampton hasn't been very convincing defensively lately

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      1. SvenGoranErskine
        • 14 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Definitely not playing today.... maybe Monday?

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    2. Orion
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      punch,chamb

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  24. drogbaism
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Who should I play today, Mirallas och Lambert??? Massive dilemma

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    1. Puzzle
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      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Lambert for me

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  25. Tronity
    • 12 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Who should I pick for first sub in preparation for Sturridge not starting? Ward or Dummett?

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    1. Henry Hill
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Ward for sure, Jenna Jameson has had more clean sheets than Newcastle recently.

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      1. Tronity
        • 12 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        Haha!! Ward over Sturridge to start or have I already got it right?

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        1. Henry Hill
          • 16 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          No start Sturridge in case he does start the game, I imagine he will either start or not play at all.

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          1. Tronity
            • 12 Years
            11 years, 11 months ago

            Cheers - that was my thinking too!

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  26. Keyser Jose
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    I'm playing Silva with Mutch 1st sub

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    1. Keyser Jose
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      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      reply fail :-/

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  27. Optimus.
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    I may have to bring in Rooney tonight before he plays tomorrow or be priced out of it..Anyone doing the same?

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    1. Billy Gilmore
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Nope, got £5.1m in the bank.

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    2. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Nope

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  28. Art Vandelay
    • 15 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Last minute panic.. ahh. Please help.

    Am I good, or a) start Puncheon over Silva or b) Silva to Mata (-4)

    Mannone
    Cahill, Baines, Dann
    Nasri, Eriksen, Lallana, Silva
    Agüero, Lukaku, Suárez

    (Puncheon, Distin, Chester)

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    1. Luis Suarez Ate My Homework
      • 14 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Silva could come on last minute, so I would leave him on.

      I did the same, brought Dzeko back on, starting SIlva and Puncheon first sub.

      BOOOOOM!

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      1. Art Vandelay
        • 15 Years
        11 years, 11 months ago

        IF Silva could come on last minute, surely you don't want to start him?

        That is my fear.

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        1. Luis Suarez Ate My Homework
          • 14 Years
          11 years, 11 months ago

          nah 20 min cameo. assist for dzeko goal in 90th min! 🙂

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  29. Merlinho
    • 16 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Start Ward, bench order Cameron, Coleman, AJ. Does this look right? I have Silva starting so first sub likely to be used.

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  30. Hitman MHK
    • 13 Years
    11 years, 11 months ago

    Best 2 midfielders this week?

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    1. You Must Be Jokin Ere
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Sterling & Nasri

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    2. Merlinho
      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Eriksen, Nasri or Salah?

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    3. applebonkers
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      • 16 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      eriksen and ramsey

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    4. Hitman MHK
      • 13 Years
      11 years, 11 months ago

      Thanks lads, I'll lock Nasri in for the first. Hmm..

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