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With the highest score in the Fantasy Premier League last season, Eden Hazard is hot property heading into the 2015/16 campaign. At the time of writing, the Chelsea winger is far and away the most popular player in the game and is owned by an astonishing 56.9% of Fantasy managers. While the majority clearly see him as a must-have, could Hazard’s hefty £11.5m price tag be better used elsewhere? With this in mind we ask the Burning Question: Is Eden Hazard Really ‘Essential’?

Applebonkers says…
Tantalisingly for Chelsea fans, Hazard should still be on an upward curve in his career. With the same manager in place and same team-mates around him, you’d therefore estimate at least a similar sort of output this time round.

It would have taken a price tag north of 12m to start window shopping elsewhere. Assuming Diego Costa passes the penalty baton back to Hazard after their Gameweek 38 shenanigans last season, then he remains the only big hitter in midfield with that trump card in his locker.

Essential is a word I prefer to avoid, but in a game of so many unknowns there is a comforting feeling of predictability about the Belgian.

Simon March (2014/15’s Fantasy Premier League winner) says…
“Essential” is a bit of a derided term around these parts but I do believe there are particular players that, in certain circumstances, it may too dangerous to go without. Right now, for me, Eden Hazard, falls firmly within that category.

Even if we look past the fact that he averages over 200 points a season, that he was the top FPL point scorer last season or that he is the standout performer among the reigning Premier League champions, it’s impossible to ignore his ownership percentage. At the moment, Hazard sits in over 56% of squads and he will also be a popular captaincy choice. This means that, while his ownership remains so high, the matter of whether he performs well or not will, each week, be a hugely influential factor, potentially the most decisive factor, on rankings throughout the game. I’m not sure I’d want to bet weekly against a player of that quality at those stakes.

Eventually, a broader range of high-scoring players will emerge and Hazard’s ownership figures will start to be dispersed among those alternatives. Other options will become more viable. Until then, however, the cost of owning Hazard may well be the cost of keeping up with the competition.

Jonty says…
I said Angel Di Maria was essential last year and look where that got me. If any player is to take the mantle in 2015/16 it is Hazard. The Belgian’s huge ownership means that if he scores a penalty and gains bonus points in Gameweek 1, non-owners face a potentially disappointing start to the season.

His track record is also impressive. Last year he racked up 233 points and part of his appeal was an ability to gain FPL bonus points from just an assist, goal or even his general passing play. This season, I think he can easily gain a similar total points haul, but he may struggle to match his bonus tally of 42, with passing prowess given less prominence in 2015/16’s bonus allocation.

This year his price also has to be taken into account. Last term he finished on 10.8m, which was remarkable value for his points return. He now starts at 0.7 more, while team-mates Cesc Fabregas, Diego Costa and midfield rivals like Theo Walcott are less. Can he offer the same bang for his buck at a new inflated price? This year I think there may be better value heavy hitters in the 8m to 10.5m category.

There is also Chelsea’s poor set of fixtures early on, with West Brom and Manchester City amongst their opening trio of opponents. Over the season I have no doubt Hazard will be amongst the top scorers but arguably he won’t over the first three Gameweeks.

I’ve tried drafting teams with or without him. The ones without all look better, with Fabregas allowing a whopping 2.5m to be spent elsewhere. But then I look at Hazard’s ownership, his track record and his strong performances in pre-season and that word ‘essential’ comes back into my thoughts again.

D1sable says…
Season long I’m going to have to say ‘yes’ with the current information we have. Of course Fantasy Football can spring surprises and I have learnt not to completely write off anyone, so while I’m open to changing that view, as it stands, he offers, at least for my mind, the best route into the probable League champion’s attack.

He’s still young at 24 and I can only see progression in his ability and performances. He’s 100% nailed on, started all 38 matches last season, he’s on penalties, and rarely succumbs to injury. He also loves bonus points (although with the new system perhaps slightly less), which makes him a great Captain choice.

Having said all that I’m not starting with him. His fixtures and early season form in the past have made me look elsewhere (perhaps naively) but this is mainly due to me planning an early wildcard. Would I advise anyone to follow suit who wasn’t planning on hitting the button? Absolutely not.

Evs says…
Do we have anyone else in his mold, with the exception of Sergio Aguero? Arguably not.

We no longer have a Gareth Bale, Frank Lampard or Steven Gerrard, who in their prime ripped up midfield scoring charts. The only competitor I see to him in FPL points scoring is Alexis Sanchez, who seems to share points amongst other Arsenal attacking colleagues.

Last year I went for Cesc Fabregas over Hazard to save a couple of quid. This worked out well over the first few months as both players went toe-to-toe on points. The cheaper Fabregas’ price rose, I refused to sell him and by Christmas I was left behind and was chasing the pack without Hazard, who by then had become a points juggernaut.

So for me, once bitten twice shy. Hazard is the prime midfield option and is the first name on my team sheet.

Ryan says…
No player is essential. The elite options have been priced accordingly and thus we cannot have all of them. With a budget of 100m, sacrifices will need to be made so a team cannot include all of Sergio Aguero, Eden Hazard and Alexis Sanchez plus a multitude of 8.5 – 10m options. With so much value in Arsenal’s attack, Sanchez could be dropped from that list, leaving Aguero and Hazard as two who might be considered ‘essential’. Even then, though, having both would use nearly a quarter of the budget and that will have serious implications on the rest of your team.

Going without Aguero early on might help matters but once he returns and starts a good run of fixtures in Gameweek 4 you’ll want to get him in. As a way of releasing funds, Hazard owners will be tempted to sell and it begs the question- why would you want Hazard for his first three matches, that include a visit to Manchester City and West Brom. Perhaps less funds spent on Chelsea assets might not be a bad idea to start off with.

Mark says…
Hazard is scaring the pants off me: I can’t remember going into Gameweek 1 facing a decision which I felt could genuinely make or break my season.

I’ve got nagging reservations about Chelsea over their opening fixtures and there’s no doubt that the funds liberated by omitting the Belgian can transform my squad in key areas.

While Hazard has, at times, looked effective in pre-season, Chelsea have appeared to be predictable and over reliant on his ability to break open opponents. For me, it stands to reason that Swansea will devise tactics to shutdown this avenue of attack and go all out to block supply and impede Hazard’s progress – by fair means or foul. They witnessed Arsenal’s stubborn resistance at Wembley and Garry Monk will take heart and notes from that.

Following that tricky Gameweek 1 match-up, Hazard and Chelsea go to the Etihad in a scenario that will likely see Jose Mourinho show his traditional brand of bus-based caution in a bid to smash and grab the points. Then it’s off to the Hawthorns, with Tony Pulis set to make shackling Hazard the number one priority. Everton and Arsenal follow on in the next three. In short, it’s a hugely testing start for Mourinho’s side.

That all adds up to stuttering beginnings for last season’s top Fantasy asset and, potentially, with Alexis Sanchez and Sergio Aguero active and in demand, we may even start to see Hazard’s huge ownership begin to decline, along with his price.

This all sounds convincing but the flipside is that Hazard will likely end the season as the top scoring player across the Fantasy games. Mourinho will surely find a way of protecting him, granting him space and ensuring he’s the major influence. However, given their early opponents, I’m not sure how quickly that will come together. Until then, I’m wavering.

Is Hazard essential? He is to Chelsea’s title hopes. Right this minute, he’s not to my initial Fantasy lineup.

Like I say, I may have just broken my season already.

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  1. premierglaser
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    Even if I'm wildcarding early, am I foolish to get Targett over Cedric pre-WC??

    1. Walsh
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      Yes

    2. Mancunian
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      As your 5th defender? Then not foolish at all

      1. premierglaser
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        Back line looks like:

        Kosc--PvA--Huth--Francis--Target

        WC after week 3 or 4

        Thanks

        1. Mancunian
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          Very decent / template defence.

          Not a fan of early wildcards but works for some people

    3. Ryan
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      If you're wild carding early you can get a way with short term deals. Targett will start in the short term.

      1. premierglaser
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        Thanks. My thoughts exactly.

        Then again...the prices rise...aguero comes back, haz looks essential...funds evaporate...

    4. Nobodinho
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      No

  2. icywrists23
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    hmm..

    Would you guys do hendo/milner +4.5 or Ritchie + 6.0 or 5.5 and rotate

    What are some good 5.5 prospects?

    1. premierglaser
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      Mahrez a good shout

    2. Incredibles
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      Prefer Milner + 4.5 from the start. Or maybe Chadli, if you don't have Kane

      1. icywrists23
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        is chadli nailed on. I actually like him alot hes a very productive and efficient fantasy player

        1. Ninja Skrtels
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          Chadli pretty nailed on for mine.

    3. icywrists23
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      thanks for the opinions boys

      yeah I was thinking as a 5.5 mahrez or ki

  3. Incredibles
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    This is hopefully it! Appreciate if you could rate my team out of 10

    Will probably switch either Wally or Sterling to get Kun for Rooney

    Ruddy Butland
    Kos Cedric Francis Huth Coates
    Haz Wally Sterling Mane Wanyama
    Rooney Tekkers Wilson/Deeney

    1. Gorgles
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      7/10
      Template team, pretty much everyone on this website has at least 8-9 of those players.

  4. Walsh
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    So it seems my 8.5 mid spot has landed on Ramsey lately...and it feels sort of okay? Anyone else carrying him?

    1. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
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      🙂

      1. Walsh
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        🙂

    2. Nabs Kebabs
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      Ramsey is the best 8.5 imo.

      But i have Hazard-Walcott-Mane-Chadli-4.5

      1. Walsh
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        Yep fair enough. Was on Walcott for a while, but with Aguero demanding my attention early on I am looking for a safer route. Cheers FG.

    3. Tree House
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      no but he's the best at that price I reckon

    4. Mancunian
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      I think I'm going for Ozil & Caz but literally any of Arsenal's mids could score big so go with your instinct

      1. Ryan
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        Not a bad combo that. I don't think many will have both of those two

      2. Squires FC
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        Currently on ozil, chamberlain & mertesacker

      3. Walsh
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        Don't mind that double up, but I prefer to diversify at the start. Gives me more games to watch with more rooting interest 🙂

    5. Ryan
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      Yep a good option, you know what he brings to the table. Hope for a central role though.

      1. Walsh
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        Yeah true. I will hope haha. Did start with him GW1 last season and that turned out nicely! Even though it was very short lived.

    6. Hy liverpool
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      between him & cazorla

      1. Walsh
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        Indeed...and Ozil I guess.....such a lottery.

        1. Hy liverpool
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          no I'am going with my heart this time ( rambo or caz )

    7. Diva
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      He's in my current draft side, nestled next to Walcott.

      1. Walsh
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        Fair play 😀

    8. Nobodinho
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      If I'm not getting Walcott he would be my first choice.

    9. @BigChrisso
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      Ramsey offers more goal threat than Ozil and Caz (in open play), if you cant fund Wally he's a great pick imo

  5. Kane Train
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    Thoughts?

    Cech
    Clyne, Azpi, Cedric
    Sterling, Hazard, Henderson, Mane
    Rooney, Kane, Wilson

    1. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
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      very nice...probably prefer mertesacker to clyne though

      how's your bench gary? 🙂

    2. Incredibles
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      Very strong. How is the bench? Would have Millner over Hendo imo

      1. Kane Train
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        Hennessey, Mings, Baker, Wanyama

    3. Hy liverpool
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      very solid

  6. MadnessMahn
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    Thoughts on my first draft?

    Ruddy (Rudd)
    Koscielny - Azpilicueta - Huth (Coates - Steven Taylor)
    Hazard - Walcott - Sterling - Mahrez - Sinclar
    Rooney - Pelle (Sakho)
    1.5m ITB

    1. NZREDS
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      Sinclair guaranteed a start? Could be worth starting a striker over him

    2. Amateur Pundit Zan
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      Closest to mine I have seen. Love it 🙂

    3. Hy liverpool
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      v.strong imo

    4. Nobodinho
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      Looks good, could be your last draft 🙂

    5. Captain Peacock
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      Azpi to Ivan perhaps

  7. NZREDS
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    RMT - thoughts appreciated

    Ruddy / 4.0

    Kosc / Clyne / Cedric / Huth / Saylor

    Haz / Hendo / Mane / Ozil / 4.5

    Tekkers / Pelle / Rooney

    Who is the best nailed on 4.5? Cant have Wanayama as i already have three Soton

    1. Nobodinho
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      Fletcher?

    2. Captain Peacock
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      Team looks good, though I'm not a Clyne fan.

  8. Butters_lfc9
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    BUTTERS_LFC9
    Thoughts on this side?

    Ruddy-Rudd
    Azpi-Cedric-Huth-Coates-Saylor
    Haz-Ozil-Mane-Sterling-Ibe
    Benteke-Rooney-Sakho

    Plan is to downgrade Sterling to move Rooney to Aguero

    1. Butters_lfc9
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      Would I be better off downgrading Ibe to a 4.5 so I can then downgrade Sterling to a 7.0 like Milner rather than a 6.5 and under like Ritchie?

      1. Nobodinho
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        I'd prefer this. Rest looks good.

  9. Bertzeiner-m
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    If you could have any midfield for gw 1 who would you select?

    1. NZREDS
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      Hazard/Arsenal Mid

    2. Bertzeiner-m
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      Midfield 5*

      1. NZREDS
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        1 arsneal, 1 chelsea, 1 soton, 1 cheapy, 1 Lpool

        1. Bertzeiner-m
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          Thanks!

    3. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
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      Hazard Mane Mahrez and two out of Ramsey/Ozil/Walcott/Cazorla

    4. Ryan
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      Hazard Ozil Sterling Mane

      1. Ryan
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        Another Arsenal mid for the 5th Ramsey/Cazorla/Walcott punt

      2. Bertzeiner-m
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        Thanks all!

    5. Amateur Pundit Zan
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      Hazard, Walcott, Ozil, fabregas, mirallas

  10. FPLSuarridge
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    A) Benteke + Chadli

    or

    B) Kane + Milner

    1. premierglaser
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      A

    2. NZREDS
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      Flip a coin! Perhaps A by the slightest of margins.

    3. Bertzeiner-m
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      B

    4. HurriKane
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      A

    5. Mancunian
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      Tough one but I'd go for A

    6. Hy liverpool
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      tough one this.. probably a

    7. Jay Jay Okocha
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      A for sure

    8. @BigChrisso
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      A)

    9. Nobodinho
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      A, Benteke is 1m cheaper.

  11. waldo666
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    Hey guys if anyone here plays Real Dream Team EPL I have a league on the go that anyone is welcome to join.....code is 859030

  12. icywrists23
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    a) chadli
    b) milner
    c) hendo

    1. Aaron Ramessi - Straya
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      a imo

      1. icywrists23
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        thanks

    2. Captain Peacock
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      A

      1. icywrists23
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        thanks I think I'm going with chadli as a late change of heart

    3. Nobodinho
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      A unless you've got Kane.

  13. jaguar shark
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    Who do you have in goal? Let's see it.

  14. Captain Peacock
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    For the first four fixtures:

    A. Wilson (AVL liv whm LEI)
    B. Mahrez (SUN whm TOT bou)

    1. Ninja Skrtels
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      B

  15. Amateur Pundit Zan
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    G'day deadzone. How are the teams shaping up?

    I'm getting pretty happy with mine, not sure on my 3rd mf though to go with hazard and Walcott. Currently on Ozil but sterling very tempting.

    What are your biggest decisions at the moment?

    1. jaguar shark
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      keepers!

    2. waldo666
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      G'day Zan....I'm in relatively the same boat......decisions atm for me are Chadli or Milner and Tekkers or Pelle

      1. Amateur Pundit Zan
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        I've gone with pelle but money itb to switch to Tekkers next week if he suddenly looks essential

        Really not sure on the other one, I've avoided the 7m bracket altogether and getting haz, wally, ozil*, Mahrez, Sinclair

        1. Frank Black
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          Bad move, you should buy players from a wide range of prices. Not to mention that Chadli is great.

          1. Amateur Pundit Zan
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            Not sure there is a way you should play Fpl. I believe the objective you are aiming for by having a range of prices is squad flexibility to react to bandwagons.

            I have money itb to upgrade Mahrez or I can downgrade a mf no problem which I'll need to do to fund aguero anyway so I have given myself plenty of flexibility.

            We can agree to disagree on chadli'd greatness though I grant you he represents potential good value.

    3. @BigChrisso
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      Hey Zan, my biggest decsion is who it fit next to Ivan, Hazard and Rooney, so only 12 spots to go!

      1. Amateur Pundit Zan
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        😆
        Are you sure about hazard, he looks prime for a mass exodus next week if he blanks. Also Rooney has not performed in years and azpi is better value 😉

        1. @BigChrisso
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          All of this!! Just need the season to start so i stop thinking about it so much

    4. Nobodinho
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      Hi Zan, my decision atm is Benteke/Pelle+Chadli or Kane+Ritchie/Mahrez. Your thoughts?

      1. Amateur Pundit Zan
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        First one I think but all those players have merits. Second one is ok as well but if you get Mahrez I recommend leaving a bit of money itb in case you need to upgrade him later. I got stuck with Ashley young last year

  16. Salfpilgrimlfc
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    Start with a or b?

    A.

    Ruddy - rudd

    Azpi cedric mert - huth saylor

    Ritchie haz ozil/caz/rambo milner

    Aguero rooney deeney

    B.

    Ruddy - rudd

    Azpi cedric mert - saylor targett

    Sterling mane milner cesc ozil/caz/rambo

    Rooney lukaku - sakho

    Thanks 🙂

    1. Squires FC
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      B

    2. Captain Peacock
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      A.

      Next time, please only post the players that are different.

  17. thorvaldsson
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    Has anyone gone really cheap at the back and if so how cheap is you’re most expensive defender?

    1. Whirl
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      I've gone 4.5 across my defenders and keepers.

      Just hoping the upgrades in attack it allows covers any cleansheets from premium defenders.

      1. thorvaldsson
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        I’m thinking it! I’m on Alderweireld at 5.0

        1. POLSKA GOLA
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          Cedric at Saints is the best defender at 5m.

  18. Squires FC
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    Any thoughts?

    Courtois / hennessey
    Clyne / Francis / cedric / mertesacker / martin
    Hazard / sterling / ozil / chamberlain / wanyama
    Lukaku / kane / benteke

    Cheers

  19. Jay Jay Okocha
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    Moving tomorrow so this is likely my final team. Good to go?

    Ruddy, Rudd
    Mert, Cedric, Huth, Coates, Taylor
    Hazard, Sterling, Depay, Chadli, Bentaleb
    Aguero, Pelle, Sakho

    1. Captain Peacock
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      Looks good

    2. premierglaser
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      Dunno if I fancy bentaleb, but just me

  20. sinik
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    so Sinclair really on pens?

    http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/premiership-set-piece-takers/

    1. Hy liverpool
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      wow..

    2. Ryan
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      Bacuna possibly on pens. Blimey 😯

  21. Kezj7
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    RMT PLEASE NEED SOME HELP! IDEAS ANYTHING? 🙂

    HENNESESY (SCHWARZER)

    CLYNE HUTH JAGIELKA (BAKER, MARIAPPA)

    CAZORLA STERLING HAZARD(c) CHADLI (WANYAMA)

    LUKAKU ROONEY BENTEKE

    1mil ITB

    LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS ANYTHING I SHOULD DO! Willing to listen! 🙂

    1. sinik
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      stop yelling!

    2. Ryan
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      Don't post in Caps please. Its against the T/C's of this site.

      1. Kezj7
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        Sorry 🙂

    3. Jay Jay Okocha
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      Find a keeper who will play

      1. Kezj7
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        Like a main starter? Got 1 mil left upgrade to cech?

  22. Wouter
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    Getting nervous about the lack of Walcott's in people's teams now. Should I take him out for Ozil?

    Also, Pelle or Benteke?

    1. premierglaser
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      Pelle

    2. Captain Peacock
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      Back your own judgment. Walcott is the top earner in the team and gets results if starting.

      Pelle has better fixtures

  23. Ryan
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    Walcott PPG 3.6
    Albrighton PPG 3.3

    Hmm. So by getting Albrighton as a 5th mid, its a bit like getting Walcott. I'm convinced!

    1. Captain Peacock
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      He's a good option for the price

    2. thorvaldsson
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      Stats are wonderful things!

    3. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      Albrighton PPG 3.3 with pearson not ranieri !!

      1. Ryan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        Tongue and cheek 😉

    4. @BigChrisso
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      Career stats or just last season?

      1. Ryan
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 14 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        Last season

  24. Countering the 'herd' myth
    Diva
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 months ago

    Herd Behaviour

    Ruth_NZ often challenges groupthink in FFS debate and that is healthy for the community. In that spirit, I set out to challenge Ruth_NZ's popular (+38) assertion that "The reason for the "pool of 30 or 40 players" (if that's what it is) appearing in RMTs is more because of herd behaviour than anything else." (http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2015/08/04/moving-target-rickie-lambert-2/?hc_page=5#hc_comment_10713338)

    Do I dispute there is an element of herd behaviour? No, what I am questioning is the assertion that it is the majority reason for the same small pool of players being selected on here. I am going to start by make an assumption, but I think it is a fairly safe one: that is to say the bulk of the FFS community has some experience playing the game. This being so, they will be aware of three common traits experienced FPL players look for at the start of the season (the following analysis uses data drawn from the statistics page of FPL):

    1. Sure starters.
    There will obviously be debate about what counts as a nailed on player, but for the sake of simplicity two appearance points would be the expectation from most players. There are about 500 players listed in FPL, but only 105 of them racked up 2,318 minutes per game (the equivalent of a 2-point acquiring 61 minutes per game). Yes, some players would be nailed on but for injury, but 61 minutes still allows a solid first team player quite a lot of injury leeway and a similar argument could be made about the player pool at the start of the season when these RMTs are flying around.

    2. Quality.
    High point-scoring players are the foundation of any good side. Very few players playing more than two-thirds of games for their club are likely to make it into your side unless they can score at least 100 points in a season, or are cheap bench fillers. Exclude those players scoring under 100 from our list of 105 nailed on players and we're reduced to 67.

    3. Fixtures.
    The start of the game affords you one of only three opportunities during the season to tailor your whole team for a run of fixtures. Obviously this is difficult to define, but for many FFS users the season ticker will be a starting point. Using the basic six-match ticker on the side of the front page, I excluded the teams without at least three blue fixtures in the first six gameweeks, unless they were from a top four side (which many regard as fixture proof). So out go Palace, Everton, West Brom and Newcastle (no Watford players had made the earlier cuts), reducing us to 53.

    In three logical steps we have reduced the pool of FPL player by about 90 percent. Of the 53 remaining there are 11 goalkeepers, 17 defenders, 17 midfielders and 8 forwards. Several points stand out to me from this list:
    1) There are less than 3 options per striker squad position and just over 3 per midfield and defence position. Only in the goalkeeper slot is there a wealth of choice.
    2) Of the eight forwards, I feel only three - Diouf, Ings and Ulloa - have not appear regularly in RMTs.
    3) Four of the 17 defenders came from Chelsea. Most experienced players are unlikely to want to include more than one in their squad unless they are following an unusual defence-first strategy, reducing the effective pool to 14 - less than 3 per squad position.
    4) Only two of the 17 defenders, Morgan and O'Shea, were priced at 4.5m and only two more, Swansea's Williams and Taylor, were priced at 5m. All the others were more expensive. At the start of the season, when money is tight and many players squeeze defence budgets to fund elite midfield and forward options, it's not surprising that three of the four proven cheap defenders appear regularly in RMTs (the fourth plays for the same team as the third) and that people turn in part to the small pool of promoted teams in the hope of finding cheap regular starters.
    5) Seven of the 53 players are currently flagged. I am reluctant to discount them from the total though because on the flip side there will be a some players who didn't rack up 2,318 minutes last season because of long-term injury but would likely be regular starters when fit.

    What the exercise indicates is that if you apply a few logical filters to the list of 500-odd FPL players you quickly end up with a pool not much deeper than that being complained about. RMTs do feature some players new to FPL, but even in those cases people are trying to judge them by similar criteria: Will they be nailed on? Are they quality? Do they have good fixtures? This will reduce the viable options among this group of players in a similar way. It is in this arena, judging the prospects of players with little or no FPL history, that some might feel herd behaviour most clearly comes into play. But to suggest herd behaviour explains most so-called template RMTs probably does a disservice to the intelligence of many experienced FPL players.

    1. Ryan
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      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      Good rebuttal. That is what pre-season is about, its about filtering out those who aren't the best options early on. I definitely think with new arrivals we have a pool of about 50-70 genuine options which is still significantly more than the 30-40 template options, the current figure touted (is that even true?).

      1. Diva
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        Ruth_NZ is right that some options that should be up for consideration are appearing in very few RMTs. This was clearly evident among the list of 53, particularly in the goalkeeping department. However, when you factor in issues like price and the number of players from the same team, which I didn't go into here for brevity, I don't find it surprising that more options fall away.

        Furthermore, the filters I did mention will be further tightened as people narrow down the pool of options to select just 15. For example, I've seen Sterling and Yaya appear in the occasional RMT, but given Man City's opening three fixtures I'm not surprised that I haven't seen any RMTs with both. If Man City's season started with the three fixtures they have from GW4-6, I would have expected most RMTs to include at least one and for some to include both.

        1. Ryan
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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          • 14 Years
          10 years, 6 months ago

          There is a tendency to spread the risk and not double up on some assets. All the top teams bar Arsenal have 2/3 options max and typically we'd only select one of those. That certainly limits the pool.

          1. Diva
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 6 months ago

            Yes, I touched on that theme in my original post when discussing the Chelsea defence. What's nice about the Arsenal situation is there are several reasonable offensive options offering differing varieties of risk versus reward. Without that the there would be less variety in the RMTs.

    2. ted mcnure
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      upvoted!

      1. Diva
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        Thanks.

    3. ASAP Hazza
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      Very good post, makes a lot of sense when you narrow it down like that

    4. invertebrate
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      Great post and excellent points made about the manner in which players with previous history in FPL are selected for this season. As Ryan says, it doesn't take into account new players (of which there are many) but it does justify a relatively small pool of proven talent. This pool is probably reduced by some element of group think but it is there nevertheless. Ruth_NZ's team will almost certainly not include more than a couple of 'non-pool' players.

      Having said all that, the herd mentality still drives me up the wall. In regard to individual players it's somewhat excusable, as you've pointed out. It's when people are told they must play 3-4-3 or at worst 3-5-2; or when they get criticised for having a 5th midfielder who might actually score some points; or when they have the temerity to spend more than 25m in defence. The list is long but it's summed up by the belief that there is a formula or a correct way to play FPL. Allow people to try out new tactics, and have deeper squads and find new ways to accumulate points. If Guardiola had posted an RMT in 2009 he'd have been met with: "What? You can't play without a recognised striker. What the heck is a false 9?"

      1. Snellejanus
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        - If Guardiola had posted an RMT in 2009 he'd have been met with: "What? You can't play without a recognised striker. What the heck is a false 9?" -

        Best comment of the day already! 😀

      2. Diva
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        I like your false 9 analogy. There are some norms that many FFS posters tend to adhere to because they judge them to be successful. What might help is if disagreements are phrased more along the lines of asking the player to explain why they want to break the mold than straight up telling them it is wrong. If the player can't explain why then there may be good reason for them to change their plans. If they can explain their plans they may be emboldened to pursue that course of action and we will gain more examples by which to test whether the norm retains value. If other methods are seen to be successful new norms will appear.

    5. SGTMacaroni
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      Absolutely fantastic discussion, Well done!

    6. Ruth_NZ
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      First, let me explain what I was getting at yesterday. I was trying to champion a bit of free critical thinking. I do see a tendency for people to respond to others in the way of "you should have a team more like mine". I also see many posts asking "what do WE think about this player or that player". It's one of the reasons I have never once put up a RMT in nearly a year of using the site.

      I therefore think that "the herd" is not a myth (though I realise the title was not yours). Neither is the "FFS template" a myth really, when I first started coming on here there was continual reference to it ("is this template, that is template, what is the template"...) and that has never ceased.

      That being said, your analysis is good and I agree with much of it. Clearly more experienced managers may have better criteria by which they judge and that will reduce the pool of "live" options for them. However I think you have been too draconian in the way you have cut down the pool.

      1. Sure starters - I agree with the criteria but the 2,318 minutes number is arbitrary and there are many players that didn't do that last season (including Aguero, Koscielny, Walcott to take 3 obvious ones) that are nevertheless live options this season. I don't think you can use such a hard and fast threshold to cut down the estimated size of the pool of feasible options.

      2. Quality - again I agree with the criteria but (a) there are players whose sub-100 points last season is likely to be surpassed this season (managers will need judgement to try to discern which), and (b) 90-100 points would be a very acceptable return for a 4.5m player anyway. In balancing a squad we will need some of those won't we? You have used this criteria to make a 40% cut in your calculation of the pool size - unrealistically in my view.

      3. Fixtures - well this depends when a manager plans to wildcard. If you firmly intend to wildcard early (as I do) then you may be building a team for a short period only. But I have seen very, very few RMTs saying "this squad is for 4 weeks, please comment accordingly". On the other hand many are keeping options open and/or saving it till later. In that case - seeing that we have limited FTs - it would make sense to look beyond the first 4 or 6 fixtures, especially when looking at cheaper players that can be rotated.

      You excluded all players from WBA, Newcastle, Palace on this basis. I think that is plain wrong. I may have a Palace player in my starting lineup even though I plan to wildcard early. And excluding a WBA defender or GK that can be rotated from a starting squad makes little sense at all, WBA are likely to be one of the better clean sheet teams this season aren't they?

      So, yes I agree with the principles you have used and I think you have made a fair counter-argument to what I wrote yesterday. But I think you have drawn the lines too tight and excluded some players that are very worthwhile options in reducing the "valid" pool to 53. Personally I think 80-120 would be more accurate, even allowing for the filtering an experienced FPL manager could be expected to make.

      Good post though. 🙂

      1. andyinasia
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        Congrats to both of you for bring a high-quality debate to the forum!

      2. Diva
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        Thank you Ruth_NZ for your fair and considered reply. The criteria I used are probably more simplified and codified than most experienced FPL players, myself included, would use. But they serve to demonstrate the point that, consciously or subconsciously, by applying a few logical filters the experienced FPL player will quickly reduce the huge pool of available players to a much more select group.

        My example used just three filters and knocked the group down to 53. As I said to Ryan above, there will be other filters that come into play that I didn't delve into for brevity, like price and the number of players from the same team, that further reduce the available options. Taking two Chelsea examples from the pool of 53: Why consider Cahill at 6.5m when you can have Azpilicueta, who scored two points more in less game time, for 6m? Willian was an intriguing name that appeared in the 53 at just 7m, but with one each from the Hazard/Fabregas and Ivanovic/Azpilicueta pairings already in most managers minds is there room for a third Chelsea player, particularly one that has a lower PPG than those four and many other midfield FPL options in the same price bracket and below? Most FPL managers would probably want to keep that final Chelsea space free in case they need to squeeze in a Chelsea forward or quickly adopt a third player from the Hazard, Fabregas, Ivanovic, Azpilicueta group. (As an aside while discussing Chelsea, John Terry may support your point. He only scored two points less than Ivanovic last season and both were ever present, but he is rarely mentioned in RMTs here.)

        The criteria used to narrow the range of option will vary from manager to manager but I am not surprised that most end up with a similar small pool from which to select. My point was that while there may be an element of herd mentality on here, I don't think it is the biggest driving force for the small group of players being considered.

        As a final thought, if a few players are overlooked by the majority, doesn't that just open up possible opportunities for those prepared to consider them?

        1. Ruth_NZ
          • 11 Years
          10 years, 6 months ago

          On your last point, yes indeed it does. I made exactly the same comment in my post yesterday. 🙂

          1. Diva
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 6 months ago

            So you did. Sorry, I forgot it in a head fog of illness. Just goes to show that we're probably not that far apart in thought, even if we differ in our views on the pricipal reason for a shortage of variety in RMTs 🙂

    7. Zasa
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      Arguably the best post of the season to be honest, outstanding write-up Diva.

  25. Kane Train
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 months ago

    I like my team now.

    Cech
    Clyne, Azpi, Cedric
    Henderson, Sterling, Hazard, Mane
    Rooney, Kane, Wilson

    1. Kane Train
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      bench is - Hennessey, Sinclair, Prudil, Baker

    2. jaguar shark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      subs?

    3. @BigChrisso
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      Liking your team is the most important thing, i hope to get to that space soon....

  26. Gussy
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 months ago

    Hi everyone, I would really like your opinion.

    A) 4.5 Keeper and Azpi/Kosc + 0.5m ITB
    B) 5.0 Keeper and Azpi/Kosc
    C) Courtois and Mertesacker

    What do you think is better? Thanks!

  27. Dougal McGuire
    • 14 Years
    10 years, 6 months ago

    Assuming Kun is at least on the bench week 1. Decided that the hazard, having a slow start and dropping scenario is worse than the risk of him doing well and not owning him. Also, Fabs always starts well. Love to here what you all think.

    Ruddy, Butland

    Ivanovic, Koscielny, Cedric, Francis, Huth

    Fàbregas, Mane, Milner, Ritche, Sinclair

    Aguero, Rooney, Wilson

    1. Captain Peacock
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      I love it! Balanced well

    2. Hitman
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      I like it

    3. POLSKA GOLA
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      I feel that this midfield is a bit risky. I usually start too punty and have poor rank in the first few weeks. I used to think an early wildcard justifies punts at the start but it is so difficult to climb up the ranks if you had a poor start. Hazard is owned by half ot the managers and many, including me, are going to captain him in GW1 so it is very risky not to own him. This season I look at % ownership and to aim for including at least two of the most owned 4 or 5 players otherwise this is a big risk of losing out big time at the start. I know this is playing safe but I don't want to make the same mistakes again.
      Good luck to you.

      1. Dougal McGuire
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        Your points are completely valid and thank you for the long reply! As it happens I am knowing taking the risk you mention because I rate them lower than most people probably do.

        Three of the front 8 are a puntish; Ritche, Sinclair, and Wilson. That is something to watch, but I am willing to risk inexpensive players living down to their costs.

        I don't think Hazard is worth his price. One thing about ownership numbers, is that the vast majority of the people playing are not hard core and the fact that he has a high ownership mean he is appealing to the casuals. I worried about beating the hard core players. If he has a great first game and my captain does not, I will be sad, but that can happen the other way as well, or any week. Late in the season with a lead I would care a lot about how many top players own someone, but not at this point. I can see him having a bad first game, and getting sold off in huge numbers, and dropping in price right away. There are things to fear both ways. I probably could have said I try not to make fear decisions. The season is long, and while I don't want to have to make up 2 million spots after the first three weeks, I am not really thinking that is a risk. I can spend the money better elsewhere.

  28. Kezj7
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 6 months ago

    rmt

    hennessy (schwarzer)

    Clyne huth jagielka (baker mariappa)

    Cazorla sterling hazard(c) chadli (wanyama)

    Lukaku rooney benteke
    1mil ITB

    Let me know if there is anything I should do! Willing to listen! 🙂

    1. Captain Peacock
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      Are you wildcarding soon? Hennessey is a risk after week 4. Everton also have atrocious fixtures so Jags might not be worth the outlay. I suggest you upgrade at least one bench defender to 4.5 in case of injury.

      1. Kezj7
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        O'shea maybe?
        Get rid of jags for

        What would you recommend?

  29. Kane Train
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 6 months ago

    Cech
    Clyne, Azpi, Cedric
    Henderson, Sterling, Hazard, Mane
    Rooney, Kane, Wilson

    Hennessey - Sinclair - Prodil - Baker

  30. arsfan23
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 6 months ago

    Have a $40 dollar entry league (about 40 people already ) , if anyone interested email me at olegt33@gmail.com

    1. Amateur Pundit Zan
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      Do you take IOUs?

      1. Test Eagles
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        Zan, you signed up for the DZ League yet mate? 63239-69708

      2. arsfan23
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        sorry no idea what that is, from NY, so either paypal or chase quickpay

        1. ⚛Aeneas⚛
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 6 months ago

          I owe you (iou) :p

    2. Wouter
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      Second post and is asking people to pay 40 dollars to join a league. Definitely sounds legit.. 😆

      1. arsfan23
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        i have no need to lie, just because i don't post does not mean i don't read.

    3. waldo666
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 6 months ago

      winner takes all?

      1. arsfan23
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 6 months ago

        no usually top 5 win prizes, once everyone joins thats decided.