That last comment took me ages to write 🙁

Could you ask him if we could just return the old one? Was far better than this.

Now and then, I get redirected to an ad/spam website. It only happens when I'm on FFS (since the change).

Scout Picks graphic should link to current Scout Pick article

Nice to have a "Home" button or am I missing that?

That's great, thanks.
I'm not sure if you want reply feedback to your feedback , but ...
Desktop whiteness - Yes, I use Adblock, but think the idea of the comments box scrolling down would be a great fix, and of benefit in any case since it would make it easier to keep track of new comments while following an existin thread.
That was really the only issue for me on a desktop PC, other than slow loading time, which appears to have improved.
Cheers

On mobile, to refresh to see new replies to a comment you need to press the 3 did then permalink. Could have permalink and flag always displayed so one less step?

I do not use pc, agree ipad is good but mobile has gone too far in enlarging the font, creating white / green space so only 1-3 comments can be seen at once. Too much scrolling and too hard to follow what is going on

Using Samsung tablet and everything works fine for me. When there is general familiarity with the new website layout the old one will have long been forgotten. Big thumbs to all involved in the revamp.

Get the impression posting comment and loading is taking more time than previously.
And also, I think there'll be more 'reply-fail' since replying is directing to New Post box.

You've captured the major ones - I just hope the functionality and usability problems are prioritised over the "nice to haves" like the white space issue, which should be firmly at the bottom of the "to do" list. 🙂

i cant seem to see previous scores on the ticker, has this gone or am I missing something?

I'm using the ipad , how to see the fixture list while reading the page?

It's just hard to scroll through, the writing is too small for the space I think. It's like having to read this, but on a PC

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56ccf3f962cd94e237370b60/t/56d0d6f6e6515901c5015283/1456527094202/1000w/

My missus wasn't having an affair with my boss who fired me this morning when the old website was there?! Coincidence? I think not!

Maybe just me but it's not obvious which article is the latest one, is it the first one we see?
iPad working well easy to navigate.

By the way, on a positive note I think it was a good idea not to touch the members area for now - user issues just ahead of wildcards and double gameweeks would have been a nightmare, so I thank you all kindly 🙂

Tweets to go in the side bar
No permanent banner at the top

For the mobile version, it would be nice if we can see and access the community articles and hot topics directly.

desktop and firefox here the problem for me it's the way how articles appear in home page.. isn't much clear in my opinion

but the main problem for me is spacing between lines... too much space in my opinion... even at 75% i can't see all recent comments on right and if i'm reading comments i can just read 6-7 comments at time in a normal page. it would be better if the space has reduced to half of the current.

Andy, is there any possibility of an "always notify me of replies" option in profile management? Think the new site is great, thanks for all your hard work!

2 problems I have faced.
First one both on laptop and mobile, the mentioned new addition of the 'sort by rotation' in thd ticker can't find it anywhere.

The second on mobile only, didn't find the time of every comment or how many minutes ago.

old site was 100 times better in my opinion

honestly i dont like new layout at all

ticker looks ugly and everything is too big and green

Speed issues, particularly on refresh. But I believe that that is a server issue.

I can't make the hambuger menu go away without clicking on an item (s6 chrome).

Still no comments search, a feature we lost with HC. Before that you could search for "elliot" and see all the comments with elliot in it. Far better than going through all the pages and doing a text search.

Apart from that, it's a cleaner interface, and I think we'll all be happy with it, once we've got over the unfamiliarity.

And it's good to be back 🙂

i think a cute dog just strolling across the bottom of the screen every so often would bring more joy to the site

I got one more suggestion. It would be convenient if the links mentioned on articles and comments would be opened in a new tab rather than the one you're already in.

Too slow, it's like watching Juan Mata trying to start a counter attack.

Desktop version just doesn't seem as appealing on the eye...a bit too much green for my liking. Green borders, green background, green logo, green menu's, green Scout picks box, green base for the tweets, and green article headings...

Great info and content as usual but feeling a bit greened out!

Possibly a way to stop the banner at the top of the page scrolling down the page with you. The ability to hide this would allow tactical work-time browsing like the old site did.

Often redirected to spam/ apps when using my mobile (iPhone 5s). Although this used to happen with the old site it seems to be more frequent now.

I don't know what my problem is but ever since the update I can't see a comment in the sidebar, click on it, and go right to the comment so I can read, reply, and engage in conversation.

Instead, when I click on the green arrow next to a comment like always, the page refreshes to the article where the comment lives but not to the comment itself. I need to scroll down and search for the comment where there is a - instead of a + to show whether it is collapsed or not.

The layout is amazing for reading and is very functional as far as the features like the ticker, etc. But as far as engaging in conversation online, it is hopeless for me. Haven't seen others complain so I assume it is some Kafkaesque existence to endure.

Am I the only one with this issue?

I like the new outlook, although I agree with the 'too much white problem'. I would like to see the return of HT and Community articles on the right side of the screen on the mobile app, I can't find the hot topics anymore

Cheers for this feedback opportunity. I've already posted my thoughts on here and sent email. You pretty much covered them. I think the general theme for mobile users is having as much information and features available with least amount of scrolling and tapping new pages. I know that sounds really vauge but it sins up how I feel.

A floating recent comments that follows you down an article would be a dream

see, the desktop version looks nice, i like it, on mobile, it's quick to glance through or read the article thoroughly, my issue comes primarily in the comments section.

i get notification on my mail, from there i directly went to my comment, boom

but that didn't happen today, i was literally searching for my comment, that never really happened, nothing's changed from my side whilst browsing.

so, to summarize, i'd say, the viewing/reading has improved a lot, but the comments part seems a bit 'meh' compared to the previous version

thanks

okay, the white part in desktop, that's something which can be looked into

It'd be nice if the membership plug was hidden if you're a logged in member, as it takes up loads of space.

Looks fantastic on mobile but I think on desktop everything is a bit too big, from the headers to the individual article blocks. Even maxed on a big work monitor it looks like I've zoomed in, and I can see very little content without scrolling down a fair bit.

On Desktop (Chrome). I feel like the image at the top takes up far too much space; I have to scroll down before I actually see any content. Also get lots of white space, presumably where ads should be (as a paid member, can't we disable ads completely?) I also think that recent articles should be at the top, with the category carousels below. It's not immediately obvious where the new content is, and it once again requires a lot of scrolling to find. My screen resolution is 1920x1080 (probably the most common desktop resolution).

Comment Section Text to be a bit bigger....Symetrical Alignment of Desktop Site

Two things that have always bugged me, (in the old version and seems to be the same in the new).
first, when you want to comment on something but you are not logged in, push "log in to comment" and you are not returned to the same place.
second, when you are on the last comment site, there is no "last" button to go to the last site, instead you have to refresh and then go to the last site.
Other than that, I like the new look. thumbs up.

On desktop, and I much prefer the old layout.

Specifically, in additional to points already raised by others, it no longer appears to be possible to reorder the entries under the Injuries tab according to Last Updated, which used to make it much easier to spot the latest changes.

Only thing I can think of to improve would be to have an actual section where you can find the hot topics. Sometimes I wanna get to a hot topic, but it's gone off the most recent list. If there was an actual section you could click on, members would be able to view older topics

For a long time I've preferred reading the Hot Topics and Articles because there is a list of them that I can quickly scan to ensure I have read them all and had a chance to see all the published content.

I think it would be a really big plus to have the same feature for the Scout Articles that come out. As there are 2-3 per day I find myself scrolling if I haven't been on for a few days. If on the sidebar there was a list of FFS articles (scout picks, frisking the fixtures, etc.) in order of publication date (maybe just the most recent 10, or 15?) I would feel better knowing I had access to all the information published and I could easily scan to see if I've missed anything.

As for the site, really great mobile, and tablet, and the desktop version is as the others have said. Too spread out, really difficult to use with all the scrolling. Overall a really great job!

I'm not sure if this is the right way to put this, but the text feels too wide. I feel like have to move my eyes too much across the page.

the banner/header images being so large also doesn't help the scroll scroll scroll before you get to content so i'd suggest downsizing images to help visitors get to content quicker. Content is King on this site not the images.

Also I have my browser (Chrome/PC) set to a reasonably large size (but not full screen because white space everywhere) and yet the tweet ticker flips between a grid format (2x3) and a vertical display when resizing the window even when the widow is quite wide and then other times just inserts the tweet ticker between the end of the article and the COMMENTS section. In fact, the entire site seems to really change display when resizing a window. so much so that everytime I resize the window I've also had to scroll to find this POST COMMENT box to add my addl comments (it never stays "in the window")

To me that's the biggest thing: site doesn't maintain visual integrity at varying sizes (i get it if your window is 1-3" wide but 9" or so and up it should).

Cheers.

It's not the whiteness that is the problem, per se.

It's the horizontal size of the white space - it takes up almost half my screen, so the comments are all squashed up on the left.

The permanent green headings at the top also takes away screen real estate. The Guardian website redesign started with something similar, and dropped it very quickly after complaints.

The leading on the article text is far too big - it's like a Janet and John book! You have to keep scrolling and scrolling and scrolling.

It's the first website that's ever given me a headache, and I don't ever get headaches (other than alcohol-induced!)

Hi Andy,

My only issue is with the new site is that it doesn't seem to scale particularly well.When I reduce the size of the browser window (in Firefox) the Watchlist and user comments/Hot Topics drop off and I'm not able to side scroll to find them which makes it harder to use the website covertly in a tiny browser window whilst at work 😉

Please Help

Cheers
Mark

Like it overall.

However, as has been said before, I don't find it very clear which is the newest article. I think it's because the tweets and adverts for the site are below it, it makes me think that the top article is just an 'ad' too

It looks very pretty on my tablet (Samsung tab s2). The resolution is lovely, extremely sharp and clear.
I have an older android phone (Moto G) though, which is a nightmare at the moment. There are no timestamps and try as I might, I can't find anyway to access Hot Topics, Community etc.
Keep up the great work.

Had the same thought with the old site, but would like more contrast between replies and new posts in comments. Always feel like I am straining to see if it was a reply or new post. Just a slightly darker grey for the replies possibly. Thanks.

On Desktop. Chrome browser.

Whilst I understand the necessity to make the site more user-friendly for mobiles and tablets, for those of us who view the site on desktop, the site's homepage and structure looks all over the play.

In fact, is there even a homepage?

It is very hard to determine which article is the current article and in general, articles appear to be placed in random positions. I posted a comment on three different articles thinking that was the current forum. Very messy.

The tweets look far too large and clog up the page. Please reduce in size to make the page more appealing and usuable.

No doubt we'll get used to it in time. The BBC site has done something similar in the past few weeks and I'm still angry with what they have done.

Similar to some other comments - the images are too big, and there could be a higher proportion of useful content for the real estate. I'm scrolling forever to scan the articles.

Nice to know that landscape = full site... But I'd like the full site in portrait.

I'm on an iPad mini

The readability of the thin, small white font on a green background for the hot topics is quite poor on desktop (Mac, Safari).

Apart from that, the redesign makes it look much more modern, and I've been waiting for a responsive design for ages, so couldn't be happier about it.

Apologies if this echoes something previously noted:

The green right angle quotes (>>) that link recent comments to their respective pages are still quite small and can be difficult to hit with a click/tap, particularly when the site is busy. Might consider making the entire comment clickable.

Otherwise, well done all around.

Thought today that it would be nice to add the 'sort by' option to the bottom navigation too.
Why? I normally read an article, then check the latest comments page to see what's being discussed and then go to either page 1 (if it's page 2 or 3) or sort by discussion rating if there are a lot of comment pages. It's not difficult to scroll back up quickly on the desktop, but on a mobile phone it can be very annoying if we're at the bottom of a very long page.

I really think this revamped site is horrible compared to the previous version. The old site worked perfectly, on both desktop and smartphone, and now loads of useful stuff is hidden for the sake of huge article pictures and text. I can’t see any benefit whatsoever in making the font and pictures oversized, unless FFS is trying to move towards looking like a green version of The Sun. I don’t know the IT behind it but is it possible to have an option for an “FFS Classic View”?

When using the site on a smartphone before we could zoom in and out to our preference. Now it is permanently zoomed in to a level miles bigger than necessary. This new design is too limited, you can either just read comments (while constantly scrolling two brief comments at a time) or just see the ticker etc. You can’t do anything together. It has been optimised for the visually impaired OAP who can’t operate a phone.

I can understand wanting to implement a mobile ‘optimised’ version for smartphones if Google were forcing it and I have very occasionally seen posters ask for one but was it really necessary to change the desktop version with it? Some sites have introduced a mobile version while keeping the desktop version the same and giving phone users the option to switch to the desktop site.

Worst thing is, I have no expectation that things will go back to how they were or even close. Now that a lot of effort and money has been spent I suspect Mark will be determined to stick with it. Like when a big club keeps playing their shiny new expensive flop to the detriment of the team (e.g. Man City with Sterling) when they were much better off with the older, plainer James Milner.

iPad Pro

It's not responsive to fill the full size of the screen like the old site did.

Lot of wasted space, 2 black tramline down either side (2cms each) on landscape

I sent an email to support that I don't see dates associated with the Watchlist, so don't know how new/old the suggested players are. This is desktop/Firefox with ad block. Am I just missing something obvious -- the dates seem to be important information from my point of view. I agree with the comments about a bit too much green/white, and would like for the top left FFS graphic not to appear when scrolling through comments, as many others have said. Actually, I like a lot of the new look, but sometimes wonder if looking sleek trumped being easy to read. Best of luck in addressing the remaining glitches and suggestions (and thanks).

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE put Upvote button someone on the right side of the screen.

Either beside permalink, under the displayed number of upvotes, etc.

Seems way too often I've clicked it instead of reply, and seems like it should be on the right anyway.

Here's my two cents on the changes...

Desktop version:

Like that the usable space has been widened so that more of the screen is used rather than just useless margins. However, I see no reason for the captain poll to be on every page. That and the scout league codes (more of an issue on mobile) really shouldn't be on every page as they are used infrequently. I think the space would be much better spent making the article width match the width of the comments.

As many have mentioned the pictures and titles of the articles are waaaaay too big, as is the line spacing in the articles and comments section (once again more of an issue on mobile version). Why has the indenting for each layer of replies been made minuscule? By the time you get to the deepest indented layer (8 or something like that) you've moved like 10% of the way across the comment width. Surely it would be better having larger indents to make discerning who's replying to who easier and/or increasing the number of layers deep that are indented?

I understand the green/black/white colour scheme, but I think it's a bit much on the scout tweets. Perhaps this would be better off being merged with the recent comments/hot topics/community articles widget, also allowing the articles to be wider. The current scrolling mechanism of the scout tweets is also very clunky.

The "Posted by" bit at the bottom of the article seems a bit obsolete seeing as the author is at the top of the article, so it just takes up more space.

The white spaces on the right as others have mentioned seem like an easy fix and making it grey underneath the last of the widgets to match the background of the comments area will make it infinitely less noticeable. A static recent comments widget to match the top menu would be a nice touch, rather than having to be at the top of the page to see them. Not sure how this would work with the other side widgets though.

The Featured Articles and Community Articles on the homepage along with the membership ad (should be removed if you're a logged in member) just make the whole layout confusing. The article pictures and headers are far too big here too and I can't even see two whole articles on the full height of my screen (basically one on mobile).

Being nitpicky here but in the article section of the menu there is no gap between the date number and the time number.

One for the dream list: Having a notifications area within your user profile section so you can see who replied to your comments rather than just the email option. (article titles in comment histories are far too big here too - they should be an afterthought compared to what the actual comments were)

Mobile version:

RSI on thumb trying to scroll with the massive text and line spacing. Too much space wasted around the gravs just taking away valuable screen real estate. Similar with the border of the reply box as the actual box you type in is like half the width of the screen. Unnecessary captain poll and scout league codes at the bottom of every page. Timestamps and upvotes obviously. Members ad is just ridiculously sized.

Is it possible for the top button to not generate a new url as it means you have to click back twice to effectively go back one page?

The hamburger menu is nice, but would it be possible to include the home page widget menu in it so you can see the ticker etc from within the article as a pop up or something? Also would be nice if touching the article beside the menu closed the menu instead of having to press the hamburger again.

The actual functionality of replying (not having to click reply twice for the box to open etc) is much improved, but the massive scale means reading a conversation is an endless scroll. 2-3 comments on a screen, particularly a large one like mine is, just ruins to whole experience.

Overall, I quite like the more modern look of the site, just think it has a few teething/scaling/spacing problems.

I liked the site as was! I understand though it needed updating, but why remove the "home" page?
We now have "articles" and I cannot click on it, just hover.

Strange one but on Tablet there's no last updated on the watchlist anymore. Was useful before. Apart from that it's great

Hey..first post, sorry for complains.

Desktop:
Basically, before it took me around 5 seconds to see new articles, hot topic etc when I entered the site. I scrolled down few clicks and saw articles that had come during the day.

Now even after coming to the new design several times, I still can't get an hold on what is new and what is old. Before there was one, chronological list of articles. Now there is:
1. Huge first article
2. Small icons with changing articles(are these the next newest articles??) I still don't know.
3. The huge twitter box. I can see only 3 post, before a lot more.
4. Two medium icon articles(are these older than in the section number 2??
5. Articles, articles

Maybe if I concentrated for one minute I could get the order. But it is just hard. Confusion creates irritation, mind is lazy. And scrolling is not fun. Functional, one-time glance lists are nice.

My suggestion would be to start by reducing the need for scrolling. Make the front page pictures and icons smaller. Unify the way that articles are displayed. Now there are too many ways. I would start by removing the changing small icons below the first post. Before the separated twitter list was also nice. All the major news could be gotten there in a glance.

Keep up the good work. As I mainly only use desktop, it is hard to say that the new site would be better in some way. For mobiles it might be. Anyway I trust that you can improve a lot of thing.

Ok... Mine is very minor, and a little pendantic, but also probably very easy implement for a more intuitive or convenient user experience...

When posting a comment I used to to the "Notify me of replies" box, , then to the

Ok... Mine is very minor, and a little pendantic, but also probably very easy implement for a more intuitive or convenient user experience...

When posting a comment I used to 'Tab' to the "Notify me of replies" box, 'Space', then 'Tab' to the "Post" button and hit 'Space' or 'Enter'. Following the update the ordered of the controls on the siter is such that you need to 'Tab' backwards to the check-box then "tab" forward twice. This is easily fixed by changing the control focus ordering.

However, this is a rigmarole anyway. It would be great to have a way of saving in your Profile or via a cookie that the default is for you to be notified of responses. I click this for every single comment, which is a pain, and it's frustrating when you forget to click it.

In addition, and I don't know if this is a site issue or a Mac issue, but when using Safari on my Mac the 'Tab' button has never skipped to the correct control, which means you have to jump from keyboard to mouse to keyboard.

Another pet hate of mine... When you click "Last"" to go to the latest page of comments, if for example you are on page 7 of 10, but since you posted there have been three new pages, clicking last will take you to Page 10 rather than Page 13, which is not the last page. I don't if this is a deliberate functionality choice, but I don't think it's serving the purpose that button should. Again, a very easy change to make.

I'd like to add, I love the new layout from both an aesthetic and a usability point-of-view.

Thanks guys!!!!

PS. I've sussed the Mac issue. Option + Tab.

Awkward Apple!! They don't like us keyboard shortcut users

Can we have an updated date on the watchlist?

Sorry if this has already been said.

Here's a really big one for me...

How long is the website supposed to remember you when you select this option on login? I find it very frustrating the constant need to re-login.

Plenty of websites will remember you almost permanently, and it's hardly like access to this site exposes the security of my finances or personal details.

Often when I click a link from a 'reply' email on the mobile I need to login. The login then takes me back to the homepage, rather than the comment I want to read to. For ease, I then revert to the email and use the 'reply' link, but this creates a new instance of the site where I'm again not logged in.