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27 June 2016 2324 comments
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England and Iceland go head-to-head at 8pm as the Euro 2016 Round of 16 comes to an end.

Both sides were runners-up in their respective groups on the back of a win and two draws apiece, though there’s no question that the underlying stats are in favour of the Three Lions.

Given that Iceland have averaged just 28.3% possession so far, it’s fair to say that their opponents will be expected to dominate proceedings as the Scandinavians sit deep. As we saw against Slovakia, though, Roy Hodson’s side have toiled to break down obstinate opponents – they registered 29 unsuccessful attempts in their goalless draw against Slovakia.

England produced almost three times the number of attempts on goal (64 to 23) than their opponents over the group stages, though despite a wealth of options in the final third, currently lack a cutting edge and have scored just three times so far.

Iceland have found the net on more occasions (four) but given they’ve managed just nine shots on target, it remains to be seen if they can maintain a lofty 17.4% goal conversion rate – the highest in the tournament.

At the back, England again have reason for optimism. Hodgson’s men allowed a single big chance against in the group stages – less than any other side – and conceded just 11 efforts inside the box.

Iceland, on the other hand, have afforded the opposition 25 efforts in the penalty area, which bodes well for the Three Lions’ chances of grabbing the win that would see them square up to tournament favourites France in the quarter-final stage next time out.

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  1. JamesBrown0610
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Sorry for repost, got lost on the other page...

    Hennessey, Halldorsson
    Bonucci, Hector, Meunier, Piszczek, Hummels
    De Bruyne, Bjarnason, Ramsey, Grosicki, Pogba
    Nani, Lewandowski, Giroud

    Thoughts? Rui Patricio for Halldorsson maybe?

    1. Hakchak
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      This is not good, look at other WC on last page. You need ronaldo and hazard for sure

    2. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Really don't like it, the midfield is more or less a complete mess apart from De Bruyne.

  2. Dušan Citizen
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Serbia is in qualify group with Wales, Republic of Ireland, Austria, Moldova and Georgia.

    Do you think we have potential and chances to be 1st or 2nd?

    ------------------Stojkovic-------------------
    ------Ivanovic--Milunovic--Nastasic-----
    Rukavina-----------------------------Kolarov
    --------------Matic-------Grujic---------------
    ---------------Tadic-------Ljajic---------------
    -------------------Mitrovic---------------------

    Bench: Nikola Maksimovic, Mladenovic, Gudelj, Milivojevic, Nemanja Maksimovic, Kostic, Tosic, Markovic, Stojiljkovic...

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Low.

      Finished 4th in a group including Albania and Denmark.

      1. Dušan Citizen
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        We chanded out coach and we really played much better in last few games. Also, there was a situation with drone against Albania in Belgrade. Who know how it would finish if UEFA mafia didn't robbed us with 3-4 pts for that case.

      2. Dušan Citizen
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Also we beat Wales 6:1 and 3:0 in qualifies for Brazil

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 17 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          England beat Iceland 6-1 before last night.

    2. Ayew Serious
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      No, think us Irish and you Serbs will have to settle for third and fourth

      1. Dušan Citizen
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Looking forward for our clashes. 🙂

        But Austria isn't something special, I think we have a chance for 2nd place atleast.

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 17 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          England isn't anything special but qualifying is a piece of cake.

          1. Dušan Citizen
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 22 days ago

            Your groups are always utter easy.

    3. nikornla
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      I think we do have a chance for 2nd place!

      1. Dušan Citizen
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Ko si ti, brate? 😀

        1. nikornla
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          zemljak 😉
          ovo mi je prvi fantasy ikad.

  3. Jay_
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Hennsesey (DDG!)
    Guerriero Chester Giacherrini Meunier (Dier!)
    Payet KDB Rasmey (Alli! Perisic!)
    Bale Ronaldo Lukaku

    No WC, 4ft. Stuck 🙁

    A: fill those 4 gaps without taking a hit but they'd be just fillers with no hope of big points.
    B: Lose Bale for a hit and spread the cash around to get 4 decent replacements -4
    C: Get a non playing 4.0gk or 4.5 mid and get 3 decentish replacements

    1. Slam
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      C imo

      1. Jay_
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Cheers mate

    2. Yankee Toffee
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      A, but don't have to be filler.

      Perisic > Kuba
      Alli > Draxler
      Dier > Jed

      1. Jay_
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Thanks, great shout

  4. Yankee Toffee
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Good shouts? Cheers

    Dier > Giac
    Rami > Guer
    Perisic > Haz
    Kroos > Draxler (need the .5)

    1. JÆKS ⭐
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      100% for me

    2. Hakchak
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      These four transfers look great

    3. Yankee Toffee
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Cheers, lads

    4. Fergietime
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Is Guer injured?

  5. Ayew Serious
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Teams that reached last 16 without a world class player

    Switzerland, Northern Ireland, Hungary, Slovakia, England, Iceland.

    Only Iceland survive without a big big name

    1. Jay_
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Rodriguez, Shaquri, Hamsik, Siggy

      1. Ayew Serious
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Big names compared to the rest of their teams but don't compare to Ronaldo, Lewa, Bale etc

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      You forgot a team.

      1. Ayew Serious
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Italy? See below

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 17 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          You got the 1st letter right.

          1. Ayew Serious
            • 11 Years
            10 years, 22 days ago

            That was a joke 😉

    3. Yankee Toffee
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Who's Italy's "big big name"?

      1. Ayew Serious
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Not exactly big name but Bonucci is world class

      2. Slam
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Buffon 😀

      3. dirtmcgirt
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        No big name attackers but Buffon and Chiellini are titans. Giaccherini is also a decent length name 😛

    4. I Member
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Buffon, Bonucci, Chiellini and Barzagli are all world class.

  6. Hurricane Gilbert
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Do I dare exploit a glitch in the game? It says confirm 2 transfers, when I have done 5 transfers. ?

    1. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      What is the worst that can happen?

  7. Rajna
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Rookie question, but does the WC work like the unlimited transfer window after the group stage, or is it a one-off thing. So, if I make my transfers now, can I make adjustments once we know the lineups for the first game or should I wait to confirm my draft until then because otherwise it would cost me to make additional transfers? Thanks a lot.

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Same as last round.

      1. Rajna
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Thanks a lot.

  8. JÆKS ⭐
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    What would you choose, A or B?

    A) Griezman, Grosicki, Patricio

    B) Giroud, Blaszy, Lloris

    (A would mean no France defensive cover and double on Portugal with Guerrerio)

  9. Ayew Serious
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Shout out to the violent English fans who tried to save you from this misery but you sent them home

  10. Jay_
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Who will come in for Rami next game?

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Mangala

      1. Jay_
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Cheers

    2. JÆKS ⭐
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Prob Mangala

      But seems like a wasted FT to me, since you'll have to use one to ship him the week after 😀

    3. leo_messi
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Mangala

    4. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      What happened to Rami ?

      1. leo_messi
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        2 yellow cards,suspended

      2. JÆKS ⭐
        • 11 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        2 yc

      3. HurriKane
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        cheers

  11. HurriKane
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Who has higher chance of cs ?

    A) Buffon (GER)

    B) Rui Patricio (POL)

  12. Cheeseoid
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    So Griezmann then. Is he going into your side?

    1. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      I was thinking maybe a front 3 of Griezmeann- Gomez - Bale

        • 12 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        That is what I am looking at. 1FT on Lukaku -> Griezmann with the other FTs on necessary transfers.

    2. JÆKS ⭐
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      He was, but then I was 0.2 short on my wildcard so I'm back on Giroud now 😀

    3. Adam West - Team Serbia for…
      • 16 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      *Greaseman . I am very tempted to ditch Muller for him

    4. Hakchak
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Ronaldo is a must
      Then it is either Bale, one of the polish lads, Muller or Gomez, grieze or gru

      I had Ronny, Bale and Gomez and they served me well this round... Bale I think will do well against Belgium... Giroud better value, not sure Grieze can do it again

      1. Fergietime
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Ronny a must, dont think so, Polish defence have been solid.

      2. Cheeseoid
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        I don't think Ronnie is a must at all tbh. I have had him since day 1

    5. Fergietime
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      just sold Muller for him

  13. Sleivspark
    • 11 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Who is most likely to replace Vermaelen ??

    1. JÆKS ⭐
      • 11 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Lukaku

      Vertonghen CB so Lukaku comes in at LB

  14. Hurricane Gilbert
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Has anyone experienced this glitch in the McD game where it doesn't register all the transfers you have made? I click on "all players" and then change my whole team and it doesn't appear when I click on "confirm transfers"??

  15. Fergietime
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Árnason 5.5 Might give him a shot. 2 assists so far.

  16. Cheeseoid
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    What is the deal with Guerreiro?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Lineups ftw.

  17. HurriKane
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Just made 4 transfers.

    Can i transfer out one of the players i got in without any point deductions ?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Makes 5 doesn't it?

      1. HurriKane
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        wow really ? one of them is guerrero. fingers crossed then

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 17 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          Why did you rush?

          1. HurriKane
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 22 days ago

            Just raged transferred after poor score of 39 this week

            Would appreciate your thoughts on my transfers

            Perisic--> Hazard
            DDG --> Neuer
            Alba --> Giacherrenni
            Howedes --> Guerrero

            1. TorresMagic™
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 17 Years
              10 years, 22 days ago

              Looks decent.

              1. HurriKane
                • 13 Years
                10 years, 22 days ago

                cheers mate 😉

    2. Fergietime
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Dont think so.

  18. Fergietime
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Going to have 2 blanks on the bench this weekend, saving the Wild card for when I really need it.

  19. Why Always Me
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Says -16 points when I go to make transfers. I clicked cancel then reset and it still says -16. Has it taken 16 points off me ? I thought we had 4 free transfers?

    1. Why Always Me
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Also says transfers made 0

    2. Fergietime
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Odd, mine says 4 free transfers!

    • 12 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Do you guys think Umtiti at £4.0 is worth the punt as an enabler/possible starter?

    1. Dušan Citizen
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Mangala

        • 12 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Is it actually him nailed to start? From what I'd gleaned (from minimal research) was that it was up in the air.

        1. Dušan Citizen
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          I think he is Rami's replacement

  20. Keno
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    If you could only have 1.

    A.) Ronaldo

    B.) Bale

    C.) Have both and drop Muller

    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      • 14 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      both and drop Muller definitely.

    2. Fergietime
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Not bothered about Ronaldo, but id drop Muller first.

  21. Why Always Me
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Do we have free transfers for this round or not? Says -16 when I go to make a transfer

    1. Keno
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      No, you have 4

      1. Keno
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Sorry thought you said Unlimited heh, you have 4 yes.

        1. Why Always Me
          • 12 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          Do you know why it is appearing -16 when I click on make transfers even though I haven't confirmed or even made any transfers yet?

  22. Jay_
    10 years, 22 days ago

    No wildcard has seen me top up with 4 Belgians, 4 Welsh, only 2 French, 0 Germans and 1 Italian. Only good thing is I'm guaranteed at least 11 men for the Semi's.

    1. Jay_
      10 years, 22 days ago

      This is wrong, ignore this post

  23. Seb Wassell
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Halldorsson Hennessey
    Giaccherini Jerd Meunier Guerrerio Hector
    KDB Hazard Kuba Draxler Payet
    Gomez Ronaldo Griezmann

    How's she looking?

    1. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      She's beautiful 😉

      would consider coping your team if i had wc

      1. Seb Wassell
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Ah cheers 🙂

        1. Weeb Kakashi
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          I already copied!

  24. Cheeseoid
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    So in theory a WC of:

    Hennessey - Lloris
    Sagna - Hector - Meunier - Guerreiro (maybe) - Jędrzejczyk
    Draxler - KDB - Błaszczykowski - Hazard - Payet
    Griezmann - Gomez - Bale

    What do you think?

    1. Jay_
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Ha, that's very, very similar to my non WC team that I've topped up with, so that's cheered me up.

    2. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      great team. looks very similar to my non wc team with minor changes

      mine is

      Neuer Lloris
      Hector Guerrero Meunier Jędrzejczyk Giacherreni
      Kroos KDB Hazard Payet Ramsey
      Giroud Milik Bale

      1. Cheeseoid
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Thanks. We will see what they change to by the time matchday comes

    3. mikess
      • 15 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      I'd get another French player. I'd also think Giaccherini is essential. He genuinely could have been on 20+ today

      1. Cheeseoid
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        If they weren't playing germany

        1. mikess
          • 15 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          Same was said about Spain to be fair. He looks a genuine threat. I'm a previous owner but tonight he really showed he's a quality player

          1. Cheeseoid
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 22 days ago

            I had him for the group stages and must confess I do like him.

    4. Seb Wassell
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Very similar to my own above, so obviously I approve.
      You've tempted me with Bale over Ronaldo considering the better defence you've managed with the money saved.

      1. Cheeseoid
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        I knocked this up in a few mins. I just thought Portugal looked so dull and they were likely to try the same against Poland.

        I think that one will be 0-0

        1. TorresMagic™
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 17 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          Croatia had most of the ball. Might be a different story vs Poland.

          1. Cheeseoid
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 22 days ago

            Might be and Poland may score first forcing Poland to go for it as well. It was just my thoughts

            1. Cheeseoid
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              10 years, 22 days ago

              forcing Portugal. Sorry

        2. Seb Wassell
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          You make a good point. Ronaldo is ronaldo though: if Portugal score I'm not sure he could handle not being involved. One to think over.

  25. mikess
    • 15 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    I'm seriously contemplating keeping Alli (cheapest elimated player) and swapping Rami out as I feel there is more potential for points in defence. See my logic?

    1. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      I disagree. Since 0-0's are more rare in the knockout stages as they extend matches for half an hour I think defs get less useful

      1. mikess
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Look at all the high scoring teams this gameweek. They all finished 532, 523

        1. Cheeseoid
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          To be fair I don't think this round is one to go into with less than a full squad of players to be fair

        2. mikess
          • 15 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          It's only 14 players instead of 15. Just like a defender failing to get a cleanie

          1. Cheeseoid
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 22 days ago

            It is. It is just an opportunity to get points gone.

            I like to keep my options open

        • 12 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        winning to nil is still a big thing in this low scoring tournie though.

        1. Cheeseoid
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          True I guess. We will see what happens.

  26. Dušan Citizen
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    But England is interesting.

    1: Invent sport

    2: Be suck at it

    1. Seb Wassell
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      1. Attempt typing.
      2. Be suck at it.

      :p

    2. Jay_
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Half the world wants to come here though 😉 Must be something good about us.

      1. Dušan Citizen
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        I think only Englishmen can play for England national team tho. 😉

        1. Seb Wassell
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          Tell that to the rugby and/or cricket teams.

          1. Dušan Citizen
            • 12 Years
            10 years, 22 days ago

            We are talking about football. I don't even know the rules of those 2 sports.

  27. Keno
    • 12 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Guerrerio Fit?

    1. HurriKane
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      he started last match no . was he subbed off ?

      1. Keno
        • 12 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Says hes injured on the site

        1. HurriKane
          • 13 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          site showed he was injured before last round. but started

        2. ryacoo
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          10 years, 22 days ago

          Did his flag ever get removed though? I know he had a flag before playing 120 mins last game

          1. HurriKane
            • 13 Years
            10 years, 22 days ago

            he'd start baring an relapse of the injury

      2. mikess
        • 15 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        We'll see if he starts

  28. HurriKane
    • 13 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Henrikh Mkhitaryan: Has registered more assists than any other player in the last 3 Bundesliga seasons

    Decent goalscoring record too

    Is he in your team from the start next season?

    1. Seb Wassell
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Yes price depending.

      1. Seb Wassell
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Bundesliga player of the season whilst not playing for Bayern is impressive. Although not the same type of player I could see him having a similar impact to KDB (was also in my team immediately). There is however Mourinho to consider...

  29. willl
    • 10 Years
    10 years, 22 days ago

    Thinking of going with only one goalkeeper this week, and saving my wildcard for the semi-finals.

    Current Team:

    Hennessey / DE GEA
    Hector / Jed / Meunier / DIER / Taylor
    PERISIC / RAKITIC / De Bruyne / Payet / Kroos
    Bale / Muller / Lukaku

    Thinking of getting rid of Dier, Perisic, Rakitic and Muller, and bringing in Ronaldo, Draxler, Guirerro and Pogba.

    Leaves me with this:

    Hennessey (2) / DE GEA
    Guirerro (1) / Jed (1) / Meunier (2) / Taylor (2) / Hector (3)
    De Bruyne (2) / Kroos (3) / Draxler (3) / Payet (4) / Pogba (4)
    Ronaldo (1) / Bale (2) / Lukaku (2)

    Any Thoughts?

    1. Birdman Transfer
      • 12 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Worth considering that solid defenses have been the most reliable producers of points in this game, and Hennessey will have his hands full with Belgium if they continue on playing the way they did yesterday.

      1. willl
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        Oh I don't expect him to keep a clean sheet, I just think it isn't worth using one of the transfers on a goalkeeper when Muller really hasn't impressed me and getting Ronaldo in gives me a good captaincy option on day 1.

    2. Reiko
      • 10 Years
      10 years, 22 days ago

      Too many German players imo, must really hope they outperform Italy. Pogba unlikely to yield fantasy points imo. Can make funds available for someone like Hazard instead with an Iceland player as budget option.

      1. willl
        • 10 Years
        10 years, 22 days ago

        I wanted hazard but I also wanted some more French players as they're playing Iceland, and Pogba seemed to me to be the best of a bad bunch!