Pre-Season
14 July 2016 1058 comments
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Roberto Firmino is at the double as Liverpool sweep aside Fleetwood Town. Wayne Routledge serves up two goals and an assist as Swansea opener their pre-season schedule with a win, though Palace and West Brom struggle for a cutting edge.

Fleetwood Town 0 Liverpool 5

A brace from Roberto Firmino sealed an easy Liverpool win in their second summer outing, but it was the contributions of two newcomers that caught the eye.

Serbian midfielder Marko Grujic, a £5.1m January buy from Red Star Belgrade, opened the scoring, earned a penalty and was a major physical presence during his 45-minute stint, while Academy star Ben Woodburn scored and provided two assists in a highly promising display as a half-time replacement for Sadio Mane on the left flank.

It wasn’t such a good evening for Danny Ings. The England international was the match-winner last time out, but he missed a penalty against Fleetwood and struggled to make his mark throughout, as did Lazar Markovic. The Serbian winger, back at Anfield after a season on loan at Fenerbahce, has been a peripheral figure in both pre-season matches to date.

Lucas Leiva, with his first competitive goal in six years, was the other scorer, with another Academy youngster, Ryan Kent, delivering two assists and left-back Alberto Moreno chipped in with one.

Centre-half Mamadou Sakho might have been cleared of all wrongdoing regarding a failed drug test, but the French international won’t be playing anytime soon as he has an Achilles injury. With Martin Skrtel now a Fenerbahce player, that leaves Dejan Lovren and Joel Matip as the Reds’ likely first-choice pairing at the heart of the defence.

Liverpool XI: First half: Karius, Flanagan, Lovren, Matip, Moreno, Grujic, Alexander-Arnold, Stewart, Markovic, Mane, Ings.

Liverpool XI: Second half: Bogdan, Randall, Ilori, Wisdom, Smith, Lucas, Brannagan, Ejaria, Kane, Woodburn, Firmino.

Philadelphia Union 0 Crystal Palace 0

Crystal Palace kicked off their preparations for the new season with a hard-fought draw against in-form Philadelphia.

Manager Alan Pardew gave every one of his outfield players a run-out, with debuts for James Tomkins and Andros Townsend, and the pair came the closest to scoring in an otherwise tight and tricky encounter.

While Pardew was particularly pleased with the impact Townsend made, an injury concern over Tomkins cast a slight shadow over proceedings.

“James [Tomkins] got stretched twice in his first two moments in the game and he’s just got a little strain so that was a bit of a disappointment, but I don’t think it’s going to keep him out for too long. Andros showed why he is going to be an important player for us. I thought he was the real highlight of the game for our team.”

Sullay Kaikai was another with injury issues, a calf strain forcing the midfielder off early in the second half, whilst Pardew also confirmed that midfielder James McArthur could miss the club’s first couple of summer friendlies:

“He’s got a little problem with his knee, so we’ll have to see how that is. He only aggravated it yesterday, so I don’t think he’s going to make the Cincinnati game (on Saturday), but fingers crossed for Vancouver (on Tuesday).”

Crystal Palace XI: Speroni, Ward (Croll 66), Kelly (Delaney 46), Dann (Tomkins 46), Fryers, Boateng, Mutch (Sako 66), Townsend (Lee 60), Puncheon (Wickham 46), Kaikai (Zaha 54), Ladapo (Campbell 60).

Charlotte Independence 0 Swansea City 4

Goals from Oliver McBurnie, Kenji Gorre and a Wayne Routledge brace gave Swansea a great start to their two-date American tour.

Assists came from Angel Rangel, Modou Barrow, Jack Cork and Routledge.

Swans manager Francesco Guidolin used all of his 21-man squad during the match, handing a debut to Ajax signing Mike van der Hoorn at centre-half.

The Swans travel to Richmond on Saturday, with Guidolin expected to give run-outs to goalkeeper Gerhard Tremmel and last season’s top scorer Andre Ayew, who was given extra time off following international duties.

Ashley Williams, Neil Taylor, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Lukasz Fabianski, Ki Sung-Yueng and Jefferson Montero will join up with the squad towards the end of the month after a busy summer of tournament football.

Striker Bafetimbi Gomis has not travelled to America as he seeks a move away from the Liberty Stadium.

Swansea XI: First-half: Nordfeldt; Naughton, Kingsley, Rodon, Fernandez, Britton, Cork, Gorre, Dyer, McBurnie, James. 


Swansea XI: Second-half: Vickers; Rangel, Roberts, Amat, Van der Hoorn, Fer, Fulton, King, Routledge, McBurnie, Barrow.

West Brom1 Paris-Saint-Germain 2

A David Luiz own goal was all the Baggies had to show for a combative clash with French champions PSG.

The Brazilian defender turned a Sadio Berahino cross into his own net early in the first-half before goals from Adrian Rabiot and Lucas Moura turned things round for the Parisians.

Manager Tony Pulis chopped and changed throughout, experimenting with formations and personnel. West Brom started with a 4-4-2 and swapped to a 4-4-1-1 after the break, with 20 players getting pitch time and the team’s back four enjoying an average age of just 18 in the second-half.

The first-half side was closer to what Pulis would consider a standard starting XI, with new signing Matt Phillips stationed wide right, while midfielder James Morrison made a return from injury after the break.

The one worry for Pulis concerned Albion starlet Jonathan Leko, who took a knock and had to be subbed off after 43 minutes.

West Brom XI: First half: Foster; Dawson, Fitzwater, Olsson, Pocognoli; Phillips, Fletcher, Field, Leko (Roberts 43); Berahino, Rondon.

West Brom XI: Second-half: Myhill; Wilson, Fitzwater, Howkins, Field; Roberts, Morrison, Yacob, McManaman; Gardner; Lambert.

  1. Costa's Counsellor
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    It's not funny any more.

      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      It is hilarious

  2. wachu
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    I've to say that I'm disappointed that FPL is not open today. Few days ago I had a dream that it will be thursday. In this dream also I remember that Southampton will tie in GW1 - 2-2 🙂

    1. JJO
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      So i should start with South def

      1. wachu
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        yes - this is also my plan 🙂

  3. Morbius
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Any tentative plans for defence?
    1-2 premiums? Or 0 premiums to fund what could be an expensive front 8.

    1. The Sarjeant
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      I like to go pretty cheap at the back to fund the attack. I like to have three solid defenders and then two who can fill in when they play the big clubs. I might go for 1 premium though - price dependant.

    2. ashtini
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      1 premium - 5.5--6.5
      1 2nd tier - 5--5.5
      2 4.5 starters
      1 4.0

      1. nobwak
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        This. All day this.

    3. Woeisme
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      going with 5 myself. I think a lot will this year

      1. The Sarjeant
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        You're going with 5 premium defenders?

        1. Think
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          I m leaning towards 6 5.5 5 4.5 4.0

    4. le flem
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      has it really come to this?

    5. AriseSirGiggsy
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      think im gonna go with 2 sure starters and 3 bargains
      how expensive the sure starters are depends on the cost of the forwards i want, but i wont be taking risks on un-nailed choices for those 2

    6. Bolivian Seaman
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Probably the same as always - cheap rotating defenders and maybe a premium one

    7. ekul the lokonga enthusiast
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      I just get the cheapest defender from a good defensive team

      E.g

      My def would be

      Hart (to avoid rotation risk)

      Shaw, azpilicueta, Monreal then pick two starters from promoted teams that are no more than 4.5

    8. The Nuttmxn
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      This year I plan to go rather cheap to start, with so many managers moving it could be a while until most defences are well oiled machines. I also think I may have to to get the front 7 I want.

    9. Jamie_GAWA
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Shaw,5.5/6,Boro,4.5,4

  4. RubeRx
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    are we there yet?

    1. le flem
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      monday, i think

    2. ekul the lokonga enthusiast
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Its imminent

  5. Mavric Marco
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Hi Guys

    While we wait for FPL to open *insert hateful Mark Rogers comment here* I thought I would share my Ace of Diamonds entry for this years playing arts contest with you. Feel free to like it on Facebook via the link below:

    http://playingarts.com/en/special/ace-of-diamonds-by-marco-arlotti

    Thanks! 🙂

    1. JJO
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      While we wait for FPL to open f off MR I thought I would share my Ace of Diamonds entry for this years playing arts contest with you. Feel free to like it on Facebook via the link below:

      1. JJO
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        You are welcome
        I feel better

        1. Mavric Marco
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          Haha! 😀

    2. JJO
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      You have my like 😉
      But to be fair those owl and ant? Are just great

      1. Mavric Marco
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Nice one! 🙂

  6. Dr Dream
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Froome putting the hammer down,

    1. Dr Dream
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Quintana is finished.

    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Imbula has been a terrible flop so far. Let's see how he does in the next season, but I have a feeling that Stoke had heavily overpaid for him.

    1. Bolivian Seaman
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      He started off so well, they were so happy with him at the start and now they don't like him - he's lazy and loses possession. He's definitely got potential though

    2. ekul the lokonga enthusiast
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Imbula was quality every time I watched him, stoke weren't doing great towards the end of the season, that's why the quality of play from imbula slipped around that time

  7. Sauzée
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    De gent you beast.

    1. Konig Luther
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      sold him to buy pinot ... troll

      1. Sauzée
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Ouch, unlucky!

  8. dicky2014
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    The mighty Boro signing Negrado, Subotic & Ramizez.

    Wow

    1. Think
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Negrado signed ?

      1. dicky2014
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Just needs to pass medical i think

    2. Blue&White85
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Ramirez might be a decent option as a cheaper midfield option.

  9. Defcons are for Kinnear
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Any contingency plans if FPL doesn't launch this year?

    1. The Sarjeant
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      We'll make our own game.

      1. Defcons are for Kinnear
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Jafooli makes the rules

  10. Sauzée
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Bloody motorbikes

  11. Sauzée
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Froome 😆

  12. Dr Dream
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    FROOME JOGGING.....WTF....

    1. Sauzée
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      😆

    2. Konig Luther
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      who need bikes anyway?

  13. Rupert The Horse
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    I have never seen anything like this in my life.
    Froome running up the mountain.

  14. Dr Dream
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    HAHA....HIS BIKES KNACKERED....

    SORRY ABOUT THE SHOUTING....

  15. Ayew Serious
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Never seen anything like that

    1. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Utterly mental. What a pillock that guy with the sign was.

      1. Ayew Serious
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Man on the motorbike should have ran over him

    2. Sauzée
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Will never forget the image of Froome jogging up the road.

      1. Ayew Serious
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Crazy

  16. kim don juan
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Anyone here ever play TAGPRO?

  17. Woeisme
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Rumor has it that it will open early this week.

    How many casuals do you think have been hitting the F5 button repeatedly since Monday the 4th Jul? Its good to be a Casual!

  18. Geordienufc1
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    What the actual....?!

  19. Rupert The Horse
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    My God, just seen a colleague of mine with a new game, Pokemon Go.
    Putting everything I have in to Nintendo straight away, its going to be huge.

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      You're a bit late to the party

      1. Kings of Lyon ★
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        *Very

      2. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        This. But not too late perhaps.

        1. Rupert The Horse
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          Ha, nowhere near it.

      3. Rupert The Horse
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Oh so you've already bought? How much did you get?
        The shares have loads of movement to go, its just the beginning. People told me I was late to the Amazon party a few years ago, but they just keep on going.

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          I haven't bought.

          Oh of course, just because you're late to the party doesn't mean you won't pull 😉

    2. Woeisme
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Finger on the pulse there

      1. Rupert The Horse
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Well the shares have only just increased.
        How did you hear of it?

        1. Piggs Boson
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          The share price has been soaring since the 11th of July. It doesn't look like slowing though tbf...

          1. Rupert The Horse
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 6 months ago

            Thats 3 days. Absolutely nothing in trading world. See what happened to Netflix, rocketed for years.

        2. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          Been all over my twitter, instagram, facebook and everywhere on the Internet for the late few weeks

          1. Rupert The Horse
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 6 months ago

            Not on mine. Please let me know about these things, I love investing.

            1. Ayew Serious
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 6 months ago

              I will in the future

            2. Piggs Boson
              • 14 Years
              9 years, 6 months ago

              How much do you expect to make Rupert?

              I've been intending to invest for a while now.

              1. Rupert The Horse
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 12 Years
                9 years, 6 months ago

                Well hopefully double. I'll throw about 6k at it and then China Mobile.

        3. Woeisme
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          All I've heard all week is Pokemon Go. F5 and imminent.

          1. Kings of Lyon ★
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 6 months ago

            READ THIS ^

            1. JK - Cønt ⭐
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 14 Years
              9 years, 6 months ago

              given it's placement in the recent comments section.

              Thank you for this

          2. Rupert The Horse
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 6 months ago

            Thanks KOL.

      2. ᶠᶦˡᵗʰʸLucre $$$
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        You - leave granddad alone.

        1. Rupert The Horse
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          Yeah.

    3. Kings of Lyon ★
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      In addition

      https://www.facebook.com/Nintendo/photos/a.120520318032430.30157.119240841493711/1069677213116731/?type=3

      If you have money to burn you should be buying shares in Nintendo now. Admiddetly you should have done it at the start of the month

      1. Rupert The Horse
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        "Should have", well yes maybe but Id never heard of it until this afternoon.

        1. Kings of Lyon ★
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          Aye, if you didnt know about it theres nothing you can do

        2. M00N
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          Know nothing about shares, how would you go about buying nintendo shares? Thinking its only been released in US, UK and Australia so far. With every other country getting on board in the coming months surely its only going to grow?

          1. Rupert The Horse
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 6 months ago

            It will rocket, honestly.
            Open up a trade account, its so easy.
            Don't use TD as they don't sell them, you need a pink slip stock trader.

    4. Defcons are for Kinnear
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      What if FPL became like Pokémon Go and we had to walk around town to find players before we can buy them?

      1. Ayew Serious
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        That rules 90% of us. We don't leave the house

        1. Defcons are for Kinnear
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          That's what Pokémon Go users were like

          1. Ayew Serious
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 6 months ago

            You make a great point

      2. Sauzée
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Found a stray Charlie Adam under my bed 🙁

    5. MJonno_79
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      How do you get Pikachu on to a bus ?
      Poke'mon

  20. MrMaverick
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Rapid Vienna on saturday

  21. JK - Cønt ⭐
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    There's 29 days till the PL season starts. The closest FPL has ever opened to the start of the season is 24 days, this was in 2011 when the site underwent a massive revamp (like this season). The average is 34 days.

    Don't be surprised if it's Tuesday next week before it opens

    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Sensible post, this.

      1. JK - Cønt ⭐
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        sshh, don't you know I have a reputation to maintain

  22. Marcin the Pole
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Do we even think it will be this week now?

    1. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      No.

    2. Funkyav
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      all we know is it is this month

      1. Nomar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        . . Allegedly.

    3. jimbobjeff85
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      No.

      I honestly believe they planned to launch earlier this week but found last minute issues during testing which have taken time to resolve.

      I'm fairly sure they won't launch it on Friday as no doubt they'll prefer to have a few working days to resolve any post-live issues rather than get people in over the weekend.

      I'm now guessing they'll launch next Monday 18th July which would leave just over 3 weeks until deadline day. Not ideal but better to have it working than not.

      1. ekul the lokonga enthusiast
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Source???

        I'm sorry but this mark guy has left me with some serious trust issues

        1. jimbobjeff85
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          No sources - just my own speculation (assuming Mark Rogers is vaguely connected to FPL and not a hoax account).

          Spineless Weasel bought up a brilliant point that they always cut it closer when the site undergoes a revamp. So early next week looks likely.

  23. MrMaverick
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Scrolled down Mark Rogers's twitter TL and he knew about the chips before FPL opened last yr. ITK?

    1. le flem
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      don't they have new developers for the sight this season though?

      1. le flem
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        *site

    2. KingNidge
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Who cares what he knew or didn't know last year it's pretty obvious at this stage he knows nothing this year

    3. Annie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      For certain things, but the only comments about release date this year are complete crap. He obviously isn't close enough (or whoever he knows and is willing to share) to know everything.

    4. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      I think he's full of 's' myself.

  24. Costa's Counsellor
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Guys there's a company called "Apple" that are making some music box thing. I reckon it's going to be huge.

    1. Hooky
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Forrest Gump likes this

    2. Nomar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      I hear some outfit called Kodak are making some camera you can print your own photos off of straight away.

      May be worth a punt for a 4 pt hit??

    3. Bedknobs and Boomsticks
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Yesterday I met a gentleman named Benz who had the most remarkable contraption. It was some kind of self powered cart and I suspect that it could be huge in the future.

  25. Brian (Not the Messiah)
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Coming Soon

    1. Annie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      you're a very naughty boy

  26. kim don juan
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Anyone wanna join a game of tagpro, it's addictive stuff. Class game honestly. Need 8 people for a full game, otherwise we'll just be a team playing other people.

    You can sign in with a google account to pick a username or just play anonymous

    The link to make a team:

    http://tagpro-chord.koalabeast.com/groups/wfzdvcup

    1. kim don juan
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      I'll try to wait until I have 8 people before I launch a game

    2. Hooky
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      I'm more of a kabaddi man

      1. Annie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        they don't say it any more, sure they used to play on sand and keep shouting "kabaddi, kabaddi, kabaddi"

  27. Back to Back Ballacks
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Even Froome thought fpl was starting, hopped off his bike at the internet café.
    Mark Rogers has a lot to answer for.

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    1. MrMaverick
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      Routine routine

      1. TorresMagic™
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        Sort out the language please.

  29. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 6 months ago

    Top of the page 😎

    1. Ziegler1988
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 6 months ago

      After the above gets deleted 😉

      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 6 months ago

        I was hoping it'd be gone by now. This is getting awkward.

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          Lol. Its still there in a different form

        2. MrMaverick
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          hahahahahha

        3. Ziegler1988
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 6 months ago

          If everyone just switched to calling him a struggling, they'd be in the clear with the T&Cs