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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. Iwobi
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Best 5.5 or below defender?

    1. Lestat
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Shaw

    2. Shah G
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Shaw, Baines and VVD..

      1. Iwobi
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Which one out of those though?

  2. Shah G
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    If anyone is interested in joining a league, join my leagues..

    Classic - 80833-27321
    H2H - 80833-347780

    1. Velocity
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Done

  3. Cheeseoid
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    This S&%t jsut got real!

    1. Gazpilicueta
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      whaddup?

    2. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      That's what happens when you go cheap.
      A leafblower needs to have a reverse gear to be usefull.

  4. Gazpilicueta
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Bottommed, repost

    I am going with a ManU defender as my main defender, and I think I'm going with Valencia because of how he gets forward, anyway, I'm trying to fit the rest of my defence around that, Which of these options do you think is best?

    A) Another big defender, like Alderweireld, Azpilicueta, Bellerin etc, and then a 3 way rotation
    B) 2 pairs of home / away rotating defenders 4.5 across the board
    C) Something else

    I can't figure it out, not sure which way to turn, I like Spurs but cant see a standout option, same with Arsenal whilst their CBs are out.

    1. Punter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Everton have a pretty friendly first 9 game weeks

      1. Gazpilicueta
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        which defender is a bargain at Everton?

        1. Punter
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          I guess he's not a full blown bargain but I'm looking at Funes Mori for £5.0

      2. Gazpilicueta
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I dunno man, Everton were pretty weak a back last year....

        1. OLLY G
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          I'm definitely going for Baines. A slight selection risk but with his great fixtures and huge attacking potential he could be a real gem.

    2. SuperMario
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I am in the same boat.. Thinking of Shaw, Azpill and 3 rotating players like Naylor, Friend and Souare..?

  5. MoeZe3bi
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Kingsley or Amat?

    1. Velocity
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Amat (although whisper it "I have both lol)

      1. MoeZe3bi
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        lol. but r u sure they're both nailed?

  6. Twisted Melon
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    3rd midfielder: lamela or siggy
    4th midfielder: redmond, deulofeu or townsend

    1. Wirtzle Gummidge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I'm on Lamela and Redmond.

    2. ANTWANN
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Lamela, been outstanding in preseason

    3. Chelsea Dagger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I'm on Siggy and Redmond, but worried about Siggy's lack of preseason

  7. Drip Doctor
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Horrendous crash in the cycling, stone cold from the cyclist who just went past her as she lay there.

    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Gotta do what you gotta do to win innit.
      Granted I haven't seen it, but you/d presume medics would help out, so pointless other cyclists trying to help?

    2. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Sure she didn't see the crash. She was hardly gonna stop her chance of winning an Olympic gold medal just to check on someone who crashed and they don't know how bad it was

    3. John Nerdelbaum
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      What was she meant to do?

    4. Je suis le chat
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Agreed, she should have stopped, the Dutch girl could have died. Organisers are a disgrace to leave such dangerous "road furniture" exposed.

    5. Giovanni Giorgio
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      That looked brutal. She's ok though

    6. Rhinos
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Crashes happen in cycling, if you stop for everyone you won't be very good at it. Simple fact

  8. Camp No No
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Ok, so now Zlatan scored and Valencia assisted again, in a competitive match. Ownerships through the roof?

    1. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Competitive match?

      1. Camp No No
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Well it is, sort of. It's an official match, played between two teams determined in official league and cup competitions, not arranged on voluntary basis like the summer cups.

        1. Davido989
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          😉

        2. Epic Fail
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Still officially a friendly though son.

          1. Camp No No
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Well, pops, unlike the pre-season matches and tournaments, it is an official match, with limited subs, arranged as an obligatory mach between the winners of two main domestic competitions. The clubs often rate those super cup matches quite high. Maybe not looking back at them, but when the day is, they really want to win it. The real friendlies are used for training only. The super cups are played for the win.

    2. KISSES
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Im annoyed by the Valencia assist, I was hoping to be part of that gang over the Shaw crew.

    3. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Valencia overrated

      1. Velocity
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Lol once again I have both. Nuff said!

  9. NoSalah4me
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    De Gea
    Morgan - Walker - Dann
    Kouyaté - Tadic - Hazard - Eriksen
    Vardy - Kun - Gray

    Bench: Foster/Pieters/Paredes/Fletcher

    What ya think?

  10. GoonerByron
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Hoping these cheap OOP mids can do the job.. Probably going to go with this and hide behind the sofa next weekend..

    Foster (Jako)
    Terry - Valencia - VVD (Kone) (Amat)
    Mahrez - Bojan - Redmond - Iwobi (Routledge)
    Aguero - Vardy - Costa

    1.5 in the bank

    1. FPLCEO
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Not tempted to use some of the extra funds on Mahrez to Hazard?

      1. GoonerByron
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Can't resist the Mahrez Vardy double up vs Hull.. If anything I'd prob upgrade a 6.0 to Oscar I think..

  11. Greenbackbøøg…
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Feel like Ighalo will troll everyone and start the season really well

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Fantastic player. Can't see why not

    2. A.T
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      West Brom in for him according to SSN.

      1. Ayew Serious
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Really? I hope that's not true, I love Ighalo I'd hate to see him play under Pulis

      2. Davido989
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        They rejected 38m from China..do WBA have that sort of cash 😯

      3. Greenbackbøøg…
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        He came to mind because of that story, no way he goes to Brom

      4. A.T
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Yep SSN not the best source this summer :some:

    3. adstomko
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I have that feeling too. And I also think Aguero will have a slow start

    4. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Maybe but with those fixtures I am going nowhere near

      1. Greenbackbøøg…
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        He did well against big teams didn't he?

  12. CABAYE4
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Back to the drawing board for me then.

    Martial not worth the outlay on todays outing and Mkhitaryan nowhere to be seen. Might have to get Ibra back in for Kane.

    1. Velocity
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Keep Kane

  13. Wirtzle Gummidge
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Tempted to have Carrol as my 6.5 striker until there is a standout pick amongst the others.

    1. Velocity
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      There is Gray

  14. Fred the Red
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Best midfielder for 5.5?

    1. Forza Papac
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I like the look feghouli

      1. Forza Papac
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        of*

        1. Iwobi
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Yeah, Feghouli was the one of thr first picks in my team

    2. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Fischer, feghouli or Ramirez

  15. Jay Jay Okocha
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Any indication from Ranieri that Musa will be a starter? Would be nailed in my team like jesus if so

    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Ranieri: "To all my friends over at FFS, Musa will be a starter".

      1. Gazpilicueta
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        lol

      2. Jay Jay Okocha
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Perfect, that's all I needed to hear

  16. Forza Papac
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Mane, Couts or Firmino?

    1. Wirtzle Gummidge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Read the article.

      ....and then pick Firmino.

    2. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Firmino

  17. Henrzd
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    best defender rotations??

  18. Stats Don\'t Lie
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A bit of a different team:

    Foster, jakup
    Azpi, Walker, RFM, Friend, Smith
    Hazard, martial, firmino, lamela, fischer
    Kun, long, gray

  19. Smythe
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    How's this 3-5-2 lads? Lots of firepower in attack.

    Foster
    Shaw - Pieters - Souaré
    Hazard - Sánchez - Mahrez - Firmino - G. Ramírez
    Agüero - Carroll

    Jaku - Diomande - Naylor - Smith

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kane + capoue over Sanchez and diomande for me

    2. Camp No No
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Sorry, but an attack with Carroll and Diomande in it does not have lots of firepower, not when others have attack threes with Kane, Lukaku or other big hitter as a third forward for Zlatan-Kun pair.

  20. Camp No No
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Any news on VVD injury?

  21. fussballstadion
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Could someone please rmt? Cheers

    Foster (Jaku)
    Valencia, Funes Mori, VvD (Kone, Amat)
    Tadic, Lamela, Firmino, Hazard (Capoue)
    Wilson, Kun, Vardy

  22. Worsle90
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is Routledge a nailed-on starter for Swansea following Ayew's departure?

  23. Gassemannen
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Would appreciate some advice on this one:

    A: Zlatan/Kane and Bolasie

    Or

    B: Lukaku and Firmino

  24. FISSH
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    People with Ibra and Kun. What are your midfields like? I cant seem to get better than Tadic, Haz, Lamela, Deulofeu, 4.5

  25. Every Dog Has Its Day
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Happy with the defence and attack but just clueless on the midfield.

    Heaton Foster
    Azpilicueta Valencia Stones Pieters Evans
    Watson
    Agüero Vardy Gray

    I've got £31.5m for 4 midfielders, any ideas?

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Hazard, Mane, Townsend and Redmond

      1. Every Dog Has Its Day
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Meh

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Get more money then

    2. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Hazard, lamela, firmino, ramirez

    3. Worsle90
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Tadic, Lamela, Hazard and Deulofeu is £31m. Could then upgrade Watson to a 5.0 or Lamela to Siggy, Ayew or Arnaut etc...

  26. Worsle90
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Routledge and Bolasie or Capoue and Townsend?

  27. adstomko
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Anybody else risking the first few weeks without Aguero?

    1. Garlana
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Doubt it

  28. BigAsGiroud_
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    How about this team? any advice will be appreciated.

    Butland/Jakupovic
    Shaw/VVD/Stones/Pieters/McAuley
    Sanchez/Tadic/Lamela/Deulofeu/Watson
    Kun/Vardy/Gray

  29. Garlana
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Too top heavy? 😀

    Foster/jaku
    Valencia/Pieters/Kone/Friend/leni
    Hazard/lamela/Townsend/Redmond/capoue
    Vardy/Aguero/Ibra

    I just wanted to see what I could get with that front three....

    1. MFC86
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      this looks surprisingly decent considering how top heavy you are

    2. FPLCEO
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Have gone with the same! Feels good.

  30. Mayo for Sam
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A, Kane
    B, Vardy
    &
    A, Gray
    B, Carrol