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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. Boris Bodega
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    RMAT
    Rate my Aguero-less team

    Forster - (Jakupovic)
    Shaw - Ward - (Stones - Chambers - Kingsley)
    Sanchez - Firmino - Hazard - Eriksen - Redmond
    Vardy - Carroll - Gray

    🙂

    1. BigManBakar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Start again.

    2. JIM BOB
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Needs more Aguero

    3. Garlana
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Mids are good...but still no aguero doesn't sit well with me

    4. Gazpilicueta
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      If you wanna go without Aguero thats fine.....but Carrol and Gray? dude.

    5. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      0/10
      No Aguero, no Party

    6. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      It's no use posting an Aguero-less team on here.
      No one will notice your stunning midfield.

      I don't like your defence.

      1. Camp No No
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        It's not that stunning. I made one fast draft earlier, and looking back at it, my midfield is better, and I have Aguero.

        1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Ok. But it's bloody great comparing to all I've seen on here though.
          But then again, I don't really pay any attention to the hords of rmt's just rather read the answers....

          1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Anyway my point is that no one will even look past the 'no Kun' factor. It's like a cult.

    7. Camp No No
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Aguero-less team without Zlatan, losing AOA without defence worries, and determined to either downgrade a fwd/mid on 2nd GW and leave money in the bank unless you take a hit or play your wildcard, or bench 6.5m+ every week?

      Yeah, somehow doesn't seem like a good plan to me.

  2. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    With Ozil out of GW1, will Ramsey start in the #10 role?

    1. pundit of punts
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Cazorla

    2. GoonerByron
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Yes I think so

  3. ralfb
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Would you
    A1 foster azpi
    A2 cortouis 5m def

    B1 iwobe
    B2 deulofeu
    B3 townsend

    Ta

    1. pundit of punts
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A1 B2

      1. ralfb
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks

      2. v12w12
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        +1

    2. TATTOOED_2
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A1
      B3

  4. El Cube
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    G2G? Any suggestions appreciated.

    Foster
    Shaw-Souaré-Morgan
    Redmond-Townsend-Hazard-Mahrez
    Ibrahimovic(VC)-Agüero(C)-Gray

    Bench : Heaton,Fletcher,Friend,Lenihan

    1. El Cube
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      plan to use WC in GW4

    2. Carlton P
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Heaton + Morgan to jaku + VVD

      1. El Cube
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I would end up with 2 hull player.

    3. TATTOOED_2
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      That starting XI is exactly the same as one of my drafts

      1. El Cube
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Player on bench?

    4. Energetics
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Same team as me except I went for Tadic and Ramirez Redmond and Townsend and haven't decided on my 5.0 defender.

      1. El Cube
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        If Stones move to Manchester City then I would consider him. But Im sticking with Morgan atm.

  5. pundit of punts
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    RP. Would like a few more replies to this.

    A couple of issues bothering me now.

    1. Keep 1m in the bank for Vardy ➡ Kane in GW 2

    or

    Ugrade 4.5m def ➡ Valencia

    2. Best 4m def?

    1. Jay10
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Keep the money.
      2. Smith may be.

    2. Chelsea Dagger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      1 keep the cash
      2 maybe Lenihan from Hull ... likely to play given injuries, but doubt many points from Hull defense this season.

  6. Butthead
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    So I guess everyone is getting Ibra after today's game?

    1. Rhinos
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Nope

    2. Gazpilicueta
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      not me

    3. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Aye, 100% ownership.

    4. aehii
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Nope....rubbish aside from a header.

  7. Gazpilicueta
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    can someone point me to likely lineups?

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Best to wait until after press conferences

      1. Gazpilicueta
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        this week?

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Ye, Thursday/Friday

      1. Gazpilicueta
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        cheers bro

        1. Epic Fail
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Come on man, you knew that anyway.

          1. Gazpilicueta
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            I know where the team news is, but i hoping we would have a good idea already

  8. aehii
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Okay, so

    Foster jaku
    Pieters friend Williams
    Mane firmino hazard alli oscar
    Kane Vardy

    McCauley amat diomande

    what have I done

  9. JIM BOB
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    What do people make of Mkhityran's FPL prospects after today?

    1. pundit of punts
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Poor

      1. JIM BOB
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Seems strange from Jose....

    2. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Rubbish

  10. BigManBakar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    How does she look?

    Foster/Jakupovic

    Shaw/Friend/Souare/Kone/Pieters

    Hazard/Martial/Firmino/Redmond/Capoue

    Aguero/Vardy/Gray.

    1. CABAYE4
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Not convinced by Martial out wide.

      Liverpool mids are a minefield so not getting any but Firmino would be my hunch for best option.

    2. pundit of punts
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Looking good.

      Any plans for Kane?

      1. BigManBakar
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Not specifically. But Vardy to Kane seems the obvious move provided I have 1.0 million in the bank

    3. BigManBakar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Thanks guys. 🙂

    4. Every Dog Has Its Day
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Martial nah bro, rest is nice

  11. CABAYE4
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone keep an eye on the Southampton game today? Particularly Redmond v Long in terms of threat?

    Looking at getting Long and Ramirez or Redmond and Negredo?

  12. Garlana
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Bottomed:

    Too top heavy?

    1. Garlana
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Foste/jaku
      Valencia/Pieters/Kone/Friend/leni
      Hazard/lamela/Townsend/Redmond/capoue
      Vardy/Aguero/Ibra

      I just wanted to see what I could get with that front three....

  13. jm2126
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Im having a difficult choice here and help would be great

    A Ibrahimovic and Redmond
    B Lukaku and Firmino

  14. The Tinkerman
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A) Firmino, Deulofeu
    B) Mahrez, Gaston

    Fancy Pool against the depleted Arsenal defence, but have no Leicester attacking cover vs Hull...

  15. The Mighty Whites
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Most nailed on 4.5 Swansea defender ?

    1. OLLY G
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I don't get all this Swans defence love at all. Their fixtures after the first 2 GWs are terrible (unless you're wildcarding early l suppose).

  16. OLLY G
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Starting to wonder whether Carroll is a better option than Gray.

    Burnley playing Liverpool, Chelsea and Leicester in the first 5 games is hardly ideal.

  17. RichieW
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A) Ibra & Negredo
    B) Rooney & Lukaku

    Reasons would be helpful

    1. Garlana
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      C) Ibra and Gray

      Reason: if Ibra starts well it will be difficult getting him in, gray looks great pre season.

      1. RichieW
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers

  18. camarozz
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Keeper for first 5 gws??

    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      De Gea with nothing else considered.

    2. Gazpilicueta
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Foster

    3. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Courtois

  19. Rtas
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    RMT

    Foster Jaku
    Shaw Valencia Friend Pieters McAuley
    Sanchez Hazard Tadic Fletcher Hojberg
    Aguero Vardy Gray

    I'll be playing 433 for a few gameweeks then I'll switch to a more orthodox 343 at some point

  20. Hy liverpool
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Kone : Cry H , Eve H , Boro H
    or
    MCcualy : Eve H , Bou A , Stk A
    or
    Mee : liv H , Hull H , Wat H

  21. Forza Papac
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts on Feghouli? He's worth a punt at 5.5 surely?

    1. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Yes imo ... gradel/ibe/fischer too

  22. SW6
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is Zlatan's perfect home/away rotation with Aguero something we are overlooking? It could make captaincy a but easier this year

  23. Every Dog Has Its Day
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Looks like I'm all set now fellas! Looking forward to the new season now. 🙂

    Heaton Foster
    Azpilicueta Valencia Stones Pieters Evans
    Mané Eriksen Barkley Townsend Watson
    Agüero Vardy Gray

    How is it?

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      You think Barkley will take pens?

      1. Every Dog Has Its Day
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Yes I do, I think he is also on penalties. I expect him to have a great season.

        Barkley took a penalty with Baines and Lukaku being on the pitch, he missed it though - https://twitter.com/Everton/status/761936561881702400

    2. Smurf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Is Watson nailed?

      Barkely? Think the Everton attack may take a while to click considering the uncertainty around it.

      The rest looks great.

      1. Every Dog Has Its Day
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers, taking a risk on Barkley and I think Watson is nailed, can easily swap out.

  24. ANTWANN
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Gray, long or Carroll?

    1. Worsle90
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Long. Southampton have some plum home ties in the first few GWs. Burnley have Liverpool, Chelsea and Leicester in first 5 GWs.

  25. Worsle90
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Do you think Routledge is nailed on if Ayew moves?

  26. A.T
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    What's Townsend been like pre season? I wasn't really considering him until now. Any good? Him or Redmond probably.

    1. A.T
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Or Gradel

    2. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I watched one a long time ago and he was very good but I haven't watch the more recent ones

      1. A.T
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Ok ta.

    3. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Deulfou/Redmond/Bojan are better options imo

      1. A.T
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I haven't seen Southampton play at all. Redmond seems like a total punt in the dark.

    4. The Wise Owl
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I'd take Redmond

  27. adstomko
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Baines or Walker?

    1. A.T
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Baines

  28. camarozz
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    What is your ideal front 3?? I'm on kun,Kane, gray at present

    1. Wirtzle Gummidge
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kun / Kane / Ibra

  29. dhamphiir
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Van Djik or Walker?

  30. madsacha
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    How does this look

    Valdes/Jaku
    Anaholt/VanDijk/Flanagan/Holebas/Smith
    Hazard/Mahrez/Firmino/Eriksen/Fischer
    Aguero/Gray/Wilson

    1. thorvaldsson
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I don't blame you while the rest of us struggle try to fit these bloated strikers in our squads you packed the midfield and hope for the best. Best of luck to you!

    2. Worsle90
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Weak at the back I think. Do you have anything left in the bank? If not, I would maybe take out Mahrez and go for a good defender.

      And that's Bournemouth Wilson I guess..?