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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. TATTOOED_2
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A) Redmond and Townsend
    B) Tadic and Bolasie

    1. gdog22444
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B

    2. Rafe63
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      goood question

      1. Rafe63
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        B is more tried and tested.... i think bolaise is way more central now? so with B you also getting two central players.

    3. BigManBakar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B) for me.

    4. Dr Robotnik
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B. More guaranteed starts and regular points.

  2. Wivanee
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Evening lads,

    Been at work all day so would someone be so kind to sum up what we've learned from today's action.

    Cheers in advance

    1. CABAYE4
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Musa and Mhkitaryan to be eased in, not early season FPL picks.

      Man U will be solid defensively as expected.

      My personal opinion; Ibra or don't bother for Man U attack/mid.

      Vardy looks a better option than Mahrez.

      1. Wivanee
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers pal!

    2. Yankee Toffee
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Valencia over Shaw. And Ibra not essential until Rooney is dropped. Negative Mourinho tactics. Vardy and Musa good together. Mahrez may not be as good as last year.

      1. Wivanee
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks, did it look as if Mahrez is wanting that move away?

        1. Yankee Toffee
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Didn't watch it actually, but most said he just seemed invisible

    3. Just A Hat
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Go for 3 United defenders at the back

  3. Fergietime
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone have a link to the article about Defenders and which rotate with eachother? Please

      1. Fergietime
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks Ayew

  4. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Has Walcott just earned a GW1 start?

    1. Kante Be Bothered
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      by default yes.

    2. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      First Ramsey, now Walcott. I think you're tempting me.

    3. Rafe63
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      wally has earned a -0.2 when everyone sells him before GW2.

  5. Kante Be Bothered
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is Mkhitryan a starter or not?

    1. Dr Robotnik
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      We don't think so

  6. gdog22444
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Who do we think will fill in for Kosc and Mert?

    And which will has a more secure spot for when Kosc comes back?

    1. Kante Be Bothered
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Holding and Chambers

    2. Squires FC
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Chambers or holding, probably chambers

    3. XLSX
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kosc once they're both fit

      1. XLSX
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Sorry totally misread question. Stay away from arsenal difference

  7. Davido989
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    6 more sleeps 🙂

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      4 more sleeps to scoutcast

      1. Davido989
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I think I'll watch scoutcast Friday night 🙂

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          I probably will too actually haha

          1. Davido989
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Let's watch it together

            1. Ayew Serious
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Let's

      2. Just A Hat
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Scoutcast with some snacks 😀

    2. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      5*

  8. Squires FC
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A. Double man utd defense (shaw & de gea)
    Or
    B. Double spurs (alli & lloris)
    ?

    1. Kante Be Bothered
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B

    2. Carlton P
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A

  9. MFC86
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    last defender slot

    Van Dijk or Terry?

    1. Carlton P
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Same dilemma, I went for Virgil

    2. Lestat
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      terry

  10. Lestat
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A) Friend and Sigurdsson

    or

    B) Coleman and Townsend

    ??

    1. Squires FC
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B

  11. andy85wsm
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Favourite £5.5m midfielder?

    1. Hibbo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      More than likely Gaston Ramirez.

    2. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Gaston is nice

    3. Rafe63
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Feg

    4. Every Dog Has Its Day
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      None but Fegouli if you must.

      1. Flynny
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Max alain gradel??

    5. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Gradel

    6. BigManBakar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Gaston.

    7. andy85wsm
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Thanks all!

    8. A.T
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Gradel

    9. GinjaWhinja
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Routledge for me, with money ITB.

  12. thorvaldsson
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts on this

    De Gea Jakupovic

    Van Dijk PVA Naughton McCauley B.Smith

    Hazard Eriksen Tadic Bojan Fischer

    Vardy Aguero Carroll

  13. sentz05
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A - Iwobi, Kane and Routledge

    B - Sanchez, Gray and Fletcher

    Heeeeeeeeelp!

  14. djenzio
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    thoughts on this midfield:

    Mahrez Firmino Tadic Siggy Capoue

    not too happy with Siggy but not sure who to get instead

    1. Giovanni Giorgio
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Needs more Hazard

    2. Carlton P
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Mahrez + siggy > hazard + lamela

      1. djenzio
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        nice idea but not feeling the Haz love based on a few pre-season goals.

    3. UshFPL
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I like it. Siggy is a good pick. He should do well vs Burnley and Hull

      1. djenzio
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        worried without Ayew they won't score as much but maybe Siggy will step up?

  15. MORIS FC
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    anyone interested to take part in my £100 high roller cash league?
    https://twitter.com/moris_fc/status/762401134938034176

  16. Flynny
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is souare of palace fit / nailed??

    Ta

    1. KISSES
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Yes, heard he got a knock today

  17. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Wenger on Walcott:

    "I believe that he has all the ingredients to be a great striker, because of the quality of his runs,

    "He is an intelligent player, a good finisher. He is not a great defender so I believe that to use his runs in the final third for us could be very efficient. After that, I think scoring goals playing there, giving him confidence to play there, will slowly convince him maybe that he can be absolutely fantastic there.

    "On the flank, today there is much defensive work asked from the players that you lose a lot of his qualities when you put him there. For me in my head I will use him more up front."

    Source: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11670/10526665/arsene-wenger-says-theo-walcotts-future-is-as-a-striker

    Tempting for GW1, with money itb to upgrade to a bandwagon GW2...

    1. djenzio
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      didn't he say that last season too and lots of people got burnt

    2. Giovanni Giorgio
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      So Wenger won't sign a striker this season either?

      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Are there any strikers available to buy that are better than Giroud/Walcott?

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Everyone is available for the right price

          1. Piggs Boson
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            #MessiArs

          2. djenzio
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            this

        2. Giovanni Giorgio
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          This logic is the difference between a PL winning side and a 3-4 place team.

          1. Piggs Boson
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Agreed, but this is the Arsenal mindset.

    3. Drip Doctor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      FYI, Wenger played him on the right today with Alexis upfront. Theo scored and assisted from there.

      1. Piggs Boson
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I know, but the article is dated today. This is his current thoughts on what he brings to the team.

        1. Drip Doctor
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          But the game was after this article. Walcott came on, and instead of switching Alexis to the wing, AW kept him upfront.

          1. Piggs Boson
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            "I will use him more up front"

            He didn't say all the time. Either that or he was lying.

            1. djenzio
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Wally is not a striker for a team challenging for the title. He is not good enough and has been built up season after season

    4. camarozz
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      If Walcott hasn't made the big time yet I doubt he's gonna anytime soon. Promises promises promises

  18. camarozz
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Scout Cast.
    How iv missed it.
    My wife is so happy ffs and fpl is back. We don't talk now at all. It's great.

  19. Saul Gillman
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Lads, New to the site, Can I get some opinions on this lineup?
    Im playing in a big league this year and want to get off to a flyer.

    Foster/Pope
    Valencia-Williams-Stones-Fry- Amat
    Hazard-Lamela-Delu-Siggy-Bolaise
    Long-Vardy-Aguero

    Cheers!

  20. camarozz
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    De gea or Shaw for utd defensive cover??

    1. BigManBakar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Shaw.

    2. Rafe63
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Valencia?

      1. Gunnerific
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Valencia played more as a winger. I've switched from Shaw.

    3. noquarternt
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Both

  21. Thoughtopsy
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    My team so far is
    Foster
    Shaw azpilicueta morgan
    Redmond hazard lemla ------
    Aguero gray -------

    Subs: jaku friend leko paredes

    Which option is best?

    1)vardy and mahrez
    2)kane and firmino
    3)ibra and an 8

    1. Davidinho
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      2 by far imo

    2. Carlton P
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Agreed

    3. RichieW
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Sanchez & Musa?

  22. Gassemannen
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    RMT

    Foster - Jaku

    Shaw - Kone - Friend - Pieters - Amat

    Hazard - Firmino - Tadic - Lamela - Capoue

    Kun - Ibra - Gray

    1. MGMT
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      This is my team except Firmino and lamela (Have Mahrez and Gaston)

  23. Davidinho
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Finally arrived at this...

    Valdes Heaton
    Valencia Friend Pieters Fernandez Kone
    Hazard Firmino Ibe Tadic Ramirez
    Kun Kane Gray

    £0 ITB

    I feel like my defence is a little weak. I would love to downgrade Kane to Ibra/Vardy and upgrade defence but I see Kane doing a LOT better than those two this season.

    Any suggestions?

    1. Hibbo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I'd have a bench midfielder and a better defender or two.

      I'd likely have a 4.0m non playing sub keeper too.

      1. Davidinho
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Keepers rotate pretty well and I found last season I preferred to have 2 decent options rather than a bench midfielder. Hmm....

    2. Giovanni Giorgio
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Ibe and Ramirez ---> 4.5 and Deulofeu

  24. TATTOOED_2
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A) Amat, Deulofeu, Vardy
    B) Friend, Mahrez, Gray

    1. Rafe63
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A

  25. Rafe63
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Baines/Coleman or Valencia if you have shaw in your team already

    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Valencia

  26. Gazpilicueta
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts on this rag tag bunch of misfits?

    Heaton, Foster
    Valencia, Baines, Friend, Cathcart, Robertson
    Hazard, Firmino, Ayew, Gradel, Capoue
    Aguero, Vardy, Gray
    £1m in the bank

    whadya reckon?

    1. BigManBakar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Get rid of Robertson and Ayew.

      1. Gazpilicueta
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        why.....and who for? Ayew did so well last year!

        1. BigManBakar
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          He's off to West Ham. Lamela/Alli/Eriksen.

          1. Gazpilicueta
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            oh really? ok, how does Lamela sound.....and I would like a Hull defender for 4.5 or less....who do you reccomend?

    2. Carlton P
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A hull defender?really?why?
      Quite like the rest ayew > Tadic imo

  27. sentz05
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    If Iwobi starts for Arsenal, he's an absolute steal at 6.0 - thoughts?

    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      If he starts, yeah.

    2. Just A Hat
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      even if he starts, nah

    3. Sweetboi
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Fancy him to start, easier starts than Liverpool and Leicester though.

      1. noquarternt
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Leicester play Hull Arsenal (Chambers + Holding remember) and Swansea? Pretty easy to me.

  28. joey
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    What do people think of Valencia for Man U, is he nailed on? Doesn't seem Mourinho is too keen on Darmian

    1. suddenorgan
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      looks like the best option at the moment, I think those hoping for another 14/15 Ivanovic may be a bit disappointed though

      1. Gunnerific
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        If he plays I expect him to get quite a few assists.

  29. ChickenTikkaMoSalah
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Can someone please rate my team out of 10?
    GK: Foster

    Def: Van Aanholt,Walker,Shaw

    Mid: Tadic,Hazard,Ayew,Bolasie

    Forward: Aguero, Gray,Ibra

    Bench:Heaton, Friend, Fernandez,Watson

    If Ayew leaves Swansea then I will replace him. Also,will rotate Heaton and Foster according to fixtures
    Thanks!

    1. noquarternt
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Looks nice and template

  30. internal error
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    How reliable are Corriere dello Sport?