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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. andy_h1993
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Really lost at my team anyone have any advise
    Courtois
    Shaw baines Taylor friend
    Bolasie Siggy hazard
    Austin ibra Aguero
    (Kone lamela fletcher)

    1. Ludo
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Austin and Taylor look unlikely to start GW1.

      Bench a defender and play Lamela.

    2. Twiggy SRFC
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Get rid of kun and Ibra. Replace them with Wickham and Jansen. Use those funds to get Bellerin, Alderwireld and Azpilicueta in defence.

      1. Kante Be Bothered
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Agree

  2. Gazpilicueta
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Sanchez for Firmino and £2.5?

    1. Gazpilicueta
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      *or

    2. THE REAL RON ⚽
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      ← ← ←

    3. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Bob

  3. Total Slotball
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Opinions on this this please? Be as harsh as possible!

    Mandanda - Mannone
    Valencia - VVD - Friend - Evans - Naughton
    Hazard - Firmino - Tadic - Townsend - Capoue
    Aguero - Vardy - Gray

    1. THE REAL RON ⚽
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Worst team I've EVER seen.

      Harsh enough? 😉

      1. Total Slotball
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I have Firmino though 😉

        1. THE REAL RON ⚽
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          😀

    2. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I have found better teams in the toilet after a curry

    3. Gazpilicueta
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I think a little arsenal would improve this team

      1. Total Slotball
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I'm ok thanks

        1. Gazpilicueta
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Be as harsh as possible!

    4. Ludo
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Good. Mandanda might not start the season, though - no pre-season as he was at the Euros,

      1. Tommytour
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        How you shaping up Ludo?

        Always enjoy your input

        1. Ludo
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Looking at something like this:

          Foster - Jakupovic
          Ivanovic/Terry - Valencia/Shaw - Friend - Evans - Kone/Amat
          Hazard - Two of Firmino/Alli/Eriksen/Tadic - Townsend - Capoue
          Aguero - Kane/Vardy - Long/Gray

          1. Tommytour
            • 15 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Townsend was in mine for ages for I've taken the view Siggy to him GW3 is much easier

            Thanks

      2. Total Slotball
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I'll monitor it right up until Saturday

  4. mcmd11
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    which option do you prefer?

    A) Azpi, Townsend, Ibe
    B) Friend, Barkley, Redmond

    Cheers

    1. JÆKS ⭐
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B

  5. rocrocodile
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Tinkering a lot lately. but I've come to that I'd like to go with Firmino/Mahrez from the go. Two top class players in good teams at a fair price. What do you think?

    Foster / Jaku
    N. Taylor / Souare / Koné / Friend / Pieters
    Hazard / Mahrez / Firmino / Siggy / Leko
    Aguero / Zlatan / Diomande

    To weak with Leko for 3-5-2? I guess I could deal with 4-4-2 as well.

    1. makaveli123
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Feeling confident about Siggy?

  6. lalua
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Hi kind people - any thoughts on this 7363736th draft?
    DDG
    Gabriel Shaw Cameron
    Tadic Mahrez Lamela Shaqiri Deulefuo
    Aguero Zlatan

    1. lalua
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      1.5 ITB btw

    2. FPL Footy Show Pod
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Gabriel big injury today

      1. lalua
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks !! Who are people getting in for him

  7. rozzo
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Where to spend the extra .5 guys?

    Valdes Jakupovic
    Shaw Fuchs Friend Taylor Francis
    Mahrez Firmino Ayew Lamela Watson
    Aguero Vardy Gray

    None of the 5.0 defenders appeal to me and happy with the rest.

    Cheers

    1. JÆKS ⭐
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Mahrez to Hazard easy

    2. chelseabrad
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Valdes not so nailed with Guzan there imo

  8. BigManBakar
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Which would do you prefer?

    A) Ibra + Ramirez + Lamela + Terry

    B) Andre Gray + Martial + Firmino + Pieters

    1. JÆKS ⭐
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B

    2. Tommytour
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A

    3. Knowledgeable meerkat
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Tough. A just. JUST.

    4. BigManBakar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Thanks lads. 🙂

  9. Defcons are for Kinnear
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    These scout opinions are outdated

  10. Net Gains
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Please advise...

    Heaton (Foster)

    Morgan Shaw Stones (McAuley, Paredes)

    Hazard Mahrez Lamela Townsend (Fletcher)

    Aguero Vardy Gray

  11. andy85wsm
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    I trust the Walcott bandwagon is in full flow?

    1. the cromulent one
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Short memories around here.

    2. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Waiting for GW38

    3. THE REAL RON ⚽
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      What happened to P. Jones!? 🙁

    4. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Doesn't seem like it.

      I've just ditched him again in favour of Redmond.

      Not sure what to do with the cash

    5. Rococo
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I will never touch that man again. Jesus.

  12. the cromulent one
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    I don't really get all the love for Lamela. Never quite been convinced... Doesn't seem physically cut out for the premier league.

    1. Still Unsure
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Maybe because he's been getting better and better in the last few months and has been superb in pre-season

      • JIM BOB
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I thought he was excellent last season.

        Worked his ass off for the team as well

        1. Greenbackbøøg…
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          You don't get FPL points for working for your team

    2. Silva’s Left Nut
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      May have settled on a team? Will surely change it by saturday. Thoughts and suggestions? No need for a rating unless you really feel the need 🙂

      Foster - Jaku
      Valencia - Stones - Friend - Pieters - Wasilewski
      Hazard - Firmino - Tadic - Lamela - Routledge
      Aguero - Vardy - Gray

      0.5m itb

      Thanks!

      1. Tommytour
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Another with Routledge 5th mid 🙂

        Playing him in first 2?

        1. Silva’s Left Nut
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          I am indeed. Isn't he likely to start with ayew to WHU and siggy out for at least one?

      2. H-SF
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Routledge to Capoue then upgrade one of your defenders.

        1. Silva’s Left Nut
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          That's my plan after the first gw or 2

      3. Net Gains
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        We have the same front three and a similar midfield! See post a few above.

        1. Silva’s Left Nut
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Solid!

    3. H-SF
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Is a double on Chelsea midfield too much?

      1. Kante Be Bothered
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Depends who you double up on

        1. H-SF
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Oscar and Hazard.

          1. Kante Be Bothered
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            If Oscar starts then it could work out well, but I'm not too sure if he will start tho

      2. Tommytour
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Nope

      3. JÆKS ⭐
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I'm on Hazard Costa myself

    4. Kuqi Monster
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Really want to start with musa but may have to play safe with gray. Looking at the foxes forums all the fans seem to want musa to start up front...

      1. Hy liverpool
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Yep. But I want vardy too

    5. Russell
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Bailly nailed in Man U defence? Think might double up on Mourinho back line

      1. Syd.
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Valencia - Smalling - Bailey - Shaw

        1. the cromulent one
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Certainly seems like it.
          What ever happened to Jones?

          1. Russell
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            He's rubbish isn't he?

    6. Jar Jar Dinks
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Why is Costa so unpopular pick?

      1. Syd.
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        He wants to leave Chelsea

        1. st4rt__
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Lies.

      2. Sweetboi
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Definitely flying under the radar, could be a good pick given their fixtures.

      3. JÆKS ⭐
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I have him, but keeping an eye on his transfer situation

      4. the cromulent one
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        The transfer rumours are unsettling. But I think the big reason is that people are all aboard the Hazard bandwagon.

    7. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Is it that bad to start the season with siggy in your team? As he didn't play any pre-season match !!

      Lamela / Coutinho for him?

    8. THE REAL RON ⚽
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Apart from Janssen at £8m, there's no forward between £9m and £7.5m. Strange.

      1. Cheeseoid
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Janssen wagon!

        I thought benteke was in that band?

        1. THE REAL RON ⚽
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          He's 7.5.

          So Janssen's the only 8.5 or 8.0 striker.

      2. Davido989
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Didn't notice that!

        1. THE REAL RON ⚽
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Just seems really odd to have such a gap.

      3. Just A Hat
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I'd go as far as saying there's no striker options from 7 million until 9.5

        and then its just Vardy, Kane, Ibra, Kun

        1. Just A Hat
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          oh unless you meant literally no forward...that is strange

          1. THE REAL RON ⚽
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            😆 Yes- literally!

            Janssen is the only striker for 8.0 or 8.5..

        2. Cheeseoid
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Did you see my response on the earlier page?

      4. Goaldigger
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Because of the captaincy factor. The best players come at a premium due to that.

    9. TheGodFather14
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Coutinho, Firmino or Tadic
      Who should I go for?
      Suggestions are highly appreciated

      1. Sad Pablo Arsecobar
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Tadic will probably have everything go through him this season. Coutino no. Firminho points magnet. Especially if he plays oop.

        Tadic if you need the spare money. If not firminho.

    10. BigAsGiroud_
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      anything??

      Butland/Foster
      Shaw/Azpi/Pieters/Stones/McAuley
      Sanchez/Coutinho/Lamela/Tadic/Kouyate
      Kun/Gray/Wilson

    11. Mario Balofail
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Nothing is more dangerous than having Kun Ibra and Sanchez in my team...

      1. Syd.
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Dangerous for whom

        1. Mario Balofail
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          For burning myself to the ashes of FPL bottom

      2. Kante Be Bothered
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Kun Hazard Kane more dangerous

    12. st4rt__
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kasper - Jak
      Shaw (or Valencia - JT (or Azpi) - Friend - Mori - £4m
      Hazard - Firmino - Lamela - Townsend - Redmond
      Aguero - Vardy.

      £1m in bank, that's me done for the night, I can't bare anymore changes. *facepalms*

      1. THE REAL RON ⚽
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Third striker?

        1. st4rt__
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Oh, Diomande. I'm going 3-5-2 as you can tell. GW4 will be my WC.

    13. Rhinos
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      How much preseason do keepers need? Think West Brom at home is the best cleanie chance out there. Really hoping Mandanda plays

    14. Dirty Harry
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Is anyone considering Carroll at all?

      Could he benefit with Ayew in the squad?

      1. Rhinos
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Defo considering. Chelsea away though has to be a negative

        1. Dirty Harry
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Yeah the opening fixture is balls I do admit

        2. the cromulent one
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Chelsea haven't been able to keep clean sheets in preseason, though.

      2. Kante Be Bothered
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        no Payet for first game so not really

    15. Forza Papac
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Is Nolito likely to start for city?

    16. MGMT
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Still don´t know who to pick from Tadic and Redmond (Extra money will be spent Upgrading Amat)

      Any opinions?

      1. Kante Be Bothered
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Will Redmond start?

      2. Teror
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Tadic is probably the safer bet but Redmond would be a glorious gamble if it comes off. It's up to you decide what you feel most comfortable with.

    17. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Wenger really messed up not buying a defender and leaving them badly exposed to this injury.

      1. Ayew Serious
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        There's still time. Give him a chance

        1. Cheeseoid
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          I think it is safe to say he had his chance

      2. Hy liverpool
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Same for us not buying LB

      3. Syd.
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        He will def need to buy a CB now. Hopefully Evans

    18. MagicMessi
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Hope you all doing great !
      Plz RMT
      Valdes(jako)
      Sagna - Pieters - Byram - Mcauley - Soare
      Delofeo - Redmond - Hazard - Bolasie - Gradel\Sobhi
      Kane - Vardy - Kun

      thx

      1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Dat midfield

      2. ChristoBisto
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Great baps potential.

    19. Ridgewell's scores
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A) Firmino, Eriksen, PvA (or another 5.0)

      B) Lamela, Martial, VvD

      1. st4rt__
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I'd go Firmino, Lamela, VVD.

      2. Kante Be Bothered
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        A with Williams