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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. Deece
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Already have Haz and no United attacking cover:

    A) Ibra + Lamela
    B) Kane + Oscar
    C) Kane * Lamela and extra 0.5 in cheap Defense

    1. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A

    2. Venom Snake
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A

    3. Zareos
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A to maximise cover to start the season, plus with United's fixtures not having Zlatan could hurt.

    4. Deece
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Thanks all. Currently on A. Guess the switch down to Kane for GW2 home to Palace is an easy one if needed

  2. SpaceCadet
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Please RMT. Went vardy over mahrez after yesterdays game.

    foRster jaku
    terry shaw friend evans 4.0
    hazard firmino alli redmond fletcher
    kun vardy carroll

    1. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Nice.

      I'd go Kone over Evans.

      I'd also consider going 3-5-2. Not a fan of many 6.5 strikers

    2. Zareos
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I like it, Carroll could be a rotation risk if Ayew is played up top. Maybe consider Gray? I would also monitor Terry, he picked up a knock at the weekend.

  3. Venom Snake
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Does anyone know who Mirallas is competing with for a starting spot?

    If he gets regular minutes I think he is perfect for fantasy

    1. ed24
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Will depend on formation - when Koeman played 5 defenders for Rooney testimonial Mirallas got pushed out. If there is two wing spots available it will be down to him or Lennon assuming Deulofeu starts.

      1. Dino
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Dangerous to assume deulofeu starts

  4. SosTiramFC
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Guys RMT please.

    Foster ( Jaku )
    Azpi / Shaw / Friend (Evans / Paredes)
    Martial / Hazard / Tadic / Fletcher (Capoe)
    Aguero / Gray / Kane

    0.5 itb.
    Weak midfield?

  5. Blurryface
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Thoughts on this

    Foster Jaku
    Shaw Terry Taylor Pietres Friend
    Haz Firmino Tadic Lamela Fletcher
    Kun Vardy Gray

  6. Psakhotherapy
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Foolish to double up with vardy & musa for gw1?
    Expecting Leicester to 'do a madness', as the kids say

    1. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Just Vardy is enough

  7. Get up ya bum
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Love me some del boy evs. Breakout season me thinks

    1. Lateriser 12
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      +42

      Him and Lamela

      1. French Gooner
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        where is this delefeu love coming from if he barely played in pre season ?

    2. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Okey Dokey

      Work time. Thanks both.

  8. Christina.
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    So, Mert out. Gabriel injured. Kos probably only starting in GW 2.

    Vardy locked in.

    😎

    1. Christina.
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Oh, and Firmino/Mane as well.

      🙄

    2. MY DJ NAME IS PIMP CURRY
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      How high would you rate Musa's chances of starting?

      1. Christina.
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        He will get game time I'm sure. Leic was a different beast with him and Gray on. Albrighton was poor and lost many balls with bad passes.

        They suit the Leic's quick counter attack stile like a glove.

    3. Jafalad
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      * removes Ibra for Vardinho

    4. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Awesome! didn't realize Gabriel got injured!

    5. Boydinho
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      0-0

    6. Evs
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      *Mahrez

      1. Christina.
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Ali + Vardy vs Mahrez + Kane?

        Mahrez looked disinterested yest.

        1. Evs
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Second lot for me.

  9. Joggers Nipple
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    If planning a GW3 Wildcard how does this look-

    Eriksen/Mahrez/Hazard/ Delofou/ Fletcher
    Aguero/Ibra/Long

    6.5 mid and forward spot can change?

    Defence all 4.5 and 4.0
    Goalkeepers bottom cheap

    1. Joggers Nipple
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      *Defence all 4.5 and 1 x 4.0

  10. Lateriser 12
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    FYI mou and mata had no issues yesterday. Click bait from the British media.

    1. waldo666
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      This

  11. Jinswick
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Townsend & Redmond too weak to be 3rd/4th midfielders?

    Only looking at GW1-3 and they have 2 plum fixtures each there.

    That being said, I have trust issues.

    1. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Get Deulofeu and a 5.5mid

  12. MY DJ NAME IS PIMP CURRY
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Silva or Martial if I have no United cover? I have Aguero, of course

    1. Boydinho
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Don believe in cover, with that said i havn't seen Silva this preseason though

  13. Boydinho
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Go with A - Alli, Vardy and Carroll or a more punty pick of B - Deulofeu, Kane, Musa

    1. Sylas
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A

  14. ed24
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    As it stands I have 14 clubs for my 15 players :O

    1. RᴀᴄɪɴɢTᴏᴀᴅ
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      13

    2. Coaly
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Same

      Double is Soton for me

  15. Toonzie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Foster - Heaton
    Baines - Shaw - Friend - Souare - Amat
    Haz - Eriksen - Delboy - Townsend - Capoue
    Aguero - Ibra - Gray

    how to improve on this team? thanks

    1. Big Red Dog
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Who is Delboy

      1. Yankee Toffee
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Deulfeou or however you spell it

      2. Old Man
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Delothingy from Everton

  16. TATTOOED_2
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    No matter how much I say I'll stop tinkering it never happens.

    A) Amat, Diomande, Lallana/Lamela/Deulofeu

    B) Friend, Capoue, Gray

    If you think A then which MF option to I go with?

  17. Dhody
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Terry // Baines // Walker // Valencia

    Drop 1.

    1. The Bandit
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Heard Terry got injured yesterday?

    2. FPL_352
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Baines

    3. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Terry is injured, else Walker

  18. I am 42
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    1) azpi + lamela or

    2) terry + tadic

    1. Zareos
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      2 if Terry is fit, otherwise 1.

  19. passdpuck
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Currently sitting at -0.5 in the bank.

    Foster / Jaku
    Francis / Simpson / Fernandez / Azpi / McAuley
    Hazard / Alli / Barkley / Bolasie / Hojbjerg
    Kun / Ibra / Gray

    Looking right now at downgrading Barkley or Bolasie...

    Any thoughts would be much appreciated.

    1. Big Red Dog
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Consider Tadic, Townsend/Deolufeu

  20. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/onesport/cps/800/cpsprodpb/11972/production/_90705027_juan1.png

    If looks could kill! Don't Mata will be staying 😀

  21. Moin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Rumours:

    - Diego Costa has been offered to Napoli and Inter Milan as Chelsea look to make room for Romelu Lukaku. (The Sun)
    - Meanwhile, Chelsea are prepared to offer Asmir Begovic and Loic Remy to Everton in exchange for Romelu Lukaku. (Daily Express)
    - Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham and Southampton are all said to be interested in signing Charlton's England starlet Ademola Lookman. (Daily Mirror)
    - Christian Benteke's agent has confirmed Liverpool have yet to receive any new offers for the Belgium striker but is hopeful of resolving his future before the end of the transfer window. (The Guardian)
    - West Ham are looking at securing a loan deal for Real Madrid wonderkid Martin Odegaard. (The Sun)

    1. RᴀᴄɪɴɢTᴏᴀᴅ
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Why would Odegaard leave one bench for another... 😆

      1. Moin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I can't believe Club's aren't bidding for Benteke

        1. RᴀᴄɪɴɢTᴏᴀᴅ
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          All the bottom half sides have top strikers besides Palace, they seriously need to sign him.

          1. Moin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            I think if Lukaku goes to Chelsea, Everton might bid for him

            1. RᴀᴄɪɴɢTᴏᴀᴅ
              • 9 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              That would be good for Everton, Lukaku looked like he couldn't give a toss last season.

  22. WorldCupDanB
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Which do you prefer?

    a) Feghouli and Ibra

    or

    b) Hazard and Gray

    1. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B

    2. Big Red Dog
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B B and more B

    3. WorldCupDanB
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Thanks all looks like I'm going Ibraless

  23. French Gooner
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Mkhitaryan Owners - Post Community Shield

    A) Keep
    B) Sell ?

    1. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      He has become a Punt now..risky pick

    2. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Go for Martial instead imo

    3. Big Red Dog
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I can't have confidence in him after that.. Why didn't he play I just don't understand

  24. cdfcdevils
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Whats your thoughts on this side???

    Heaton (Foster)

    Valencia, Morgan, Stones (Kone, Smith)

    Alli, Ramsey, Willian, Bolasie, Redmond

    Aguero, Imbrahimovic

    My thinking is Stones and Kone fixtures rotate well giving me 2 starting defenders plus the one of them.

    Also Bolasie and Carroll rotate really well meaning I will play 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 depending on match ups.

  25. Holding Mee Bong
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    G2G?

    Heaton/Jaku
    Valencia/Friend/Wolly/Amat/Francis
    Hazard/Eriksen/Redmond/Philllips/Hojberg
    Aguero/Vardy/Kane

    1. Trigg ⭐️
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Nope.

      I only like 6/15 players there. Way too heavy up top.

  26. Respect My Authoritah
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Would you drop any for Deulofeu?

    Hazard Martial Firmino Redmond Ramirez

    0.5itb

    1. RᴀᴄɪɴɢTᴏᴀᴅ
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Redmond and Gérard have the same potential for me, it's a flip of the coin honestly.

      1. Respect My Authoritah
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers, yeah think the same.

        I really, really want Deu but can't have them all I suppose.

        Actually thinking about dropping Martial for him

    2. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Redmond, definitely.

      1. Respect My Authoritah
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Why so sure? Redmond looks likely to start up front and with those home fixtures can't ignore.

        Ideally I could get Long + Dey but budget doesn't allow

  27. Evs
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    So Ibra is now out of favour here for Kane or Vardy?

    *Sigh*

    1. Trigg ⭐️
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      With this crowd it seems, but that ownership is still worryingly high overall.

    2. Zareos
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      If only we could go for Conte's 4-2-4 (and have unlimited funds)

  28. Guru Mediation
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Why is Bojan not in more teams? Just fixture concerns or something else? 6.0 for a mid who gets goals and is on penalties - would have thought this was a no brainer!?

    1. Original Sin
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      i asked the same ques and the answer I got was "He plays for Stoke"

    2. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      too many options this year

    3. Big Red Dog
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Because "gets goals" isn't "gets enough goals for me"

      1. Guru Mediation
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        8 goals from midfield not enough!? Righto

    4. Pompel
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Well, I can remember the Bojan bandwagon start of last season. But it seems he did OK after a while, so maybe an under a radar pick. But with those early fixtures, I think it's better to wait and bring him in later

      1. Guru Mediation
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        The position shift is huge imo

    5. Dino
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I think it is rotarisk issues. I've had him and jrod in my first draft but doubt I'll start the season with them. If they look nailed they are straight in though.

  29. MY DJ NAME IS PIMP CURRY
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    How has Silva looked in pre season? Is he dropping deep or pushing up for FPL points?

    1. Old Man
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      That is some name! 🙂

  30. Big Red Dog
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is Gradel a starter?