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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. Kante Be Bothered
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Who is the best 5.0 defender?

    1. Wardinator
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Williams or stones

    2. TATTOOED_2
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Its very hard to say but I would say Stones at that price

    3. Yankee Toffee
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Morgan, maybe Williams

  2. Joggers Nipple
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Morning

    Team for 3 weeks-
    Court
    Shaw Souare VVD
    Hazard Ayew Delouf Eriksen- (or Alli)
    Vardy Aguero Long

    Bench all cheap

    Any thoughts welcome

    1. FortunesAlwaysHiding
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 2 months ago

      I think Vardy will be a let down to be honest. I don't trust Souare either.

      1. Joggers Nipple
        10 years, 2 months ago

        Thanks, Vardy a punt for 1st fixture but easy to Costa.

        Agree on Souare, will keep looking on that spot, have a WBA def on the bench

      2. Yankee Toffee
        10 years, 2 months ago

        Vardy will smash it, right about Soure though

      3. HVT
        10 years, 2 months ago

        I don't see Vardy as a let personally FAH B

    2. palace ash
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Souare potential hammy
      Ayew - not playing as a striker now Lorente joined. (Maybe Siggy better)
      Eriksen over Alli

      1. Joggers Nipple
        10 years, 2 months ago

        Thanks, appreciate input

      2. Joggers Nipple
        10 years, 2 months ago

        You Palace fan? if Souare out any idea on replacement?

        1. palace ash
          10 years, 2 months ago

          Kelly

        2. palace ash
          10 years, 2 months ago

          Or ward goes to LB and Tomkins to RB

  3. reason17
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Best midfielder for 6.0 or lower

    1. palace ash
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Cabaye, Feghouli or Gray (if he starts)

    2. Yankee Toffee
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Ramirez

    3. Jøssy ⭐
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Redmond

    4. valksy
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Routledge! Goals pre season will defo play

      Houiberg Southampton when he finds his feet

  4. andy85wsm
    • Has Moderation Rights
    10 years, 2 months ago

    I thought after all the pre-season games had finished picking the team was supposed to be easier not harder 😆

    1. Joggers Nipple
      10 years, 2 months ago

      We have all remembered that Spurs, Lei and Arsenal exist

    2. TATTOOED_2
      10 years, 2 months ago

      My thoughts exactly

    3. Jøssy ⭐
      10 years, 2 months ago

      I'm start get now. My team changed dramatically yesterday (relatively). And I like it.

      1. Jøssy ⭐
        10 years, 2 months ago

        sorted*

  5. Twiggy SRFC
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Kane or Ibra?
    Keeping in mind Kane's great fixtures.

    1. H-SF
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Kane

    2. Yankee Toffee
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Vardy

    3. Respect My Authoritah
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Ibra

  6. ADucksBehind
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Apparently its so early I forgot that a team needs defenders :/

    What do you think?

    Courtois Jakupo

    VVD Shaw Friend Kone Smith

    Martial Tadic Siggy Lamela Capoue

    Kane Aguero Gray

    1. palace ash
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Don't like Martial.

      Thats all

      1. ADucksBehind
        10 years, 2 months ago

        Yeah he's my only doubt. I'd love to swap him out for Hazard but where to get the 0.5m

        1. palace ash
          10 years, 2 months ago

          Tadic

        2. Jøssy ⭐
          10 years, 2 months ago

          Courtois*

  7. Wardinator
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Score out of 10

    Foster
    Terry shaw Coleman
    Hazard Tadic Lamela bolasie
    Aguero Zlatan Gray

    Subs (Jaku. Stones, fletcher, smith)

    1. ADucksBehind
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Downgrade Stones or Terry to 4.5
      I prefer Baines over Coleman
      Not a fan of bolassie.

      6/10

      1. Dino
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        10 years, 2 months ago

        Why would you prefer baines over coleman? Without pens it looks clear cut that coleman is the way to go?

        1. ADucksBehind
          10 years, 2 months ago

          Are we sure Baines won't have pens? He'll have corners and free kicks regardless

          1. Dino
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            10 years, 2 months ago

            He's not had pens for a while now and set pieces are not much of a bonus to him either when he actually gets to take them these days. He's not the player he was 3 or 4 seasons ago, time waits for no man I guess.

    2. palace ash
      10 years, 2 months ago

      7/10
      Terry injured
      Bench meh

  8. TheGodFather14
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Whoch 8-5 midfielder should I go for?

    1. ADucksBehind
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Alli

    2. palace ash
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Eriksen

    3. Danstoke82
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Firmino.

      If he plays the false 9 he could be FPL gold this season plus he has a season under his belt.

      1. valksy
        10 years, 2 months ago

        Firmino despite fixtures he does score against big teams.Down as a mid and plays off the front!

        Scored solid points for me for important part of season last itme out

  9. H-SF
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Iwobi anyone?
    Quite likely to start against Pool

    1. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 2 months ago

      I TC'ed him last season at got 6 points. Never getting him

      1. HVT
        10 years, 2 months ago

        Lol-I'm applying the same rule to Andy 'Donkey' Caroll. 🙁

    2. merin
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Iwobi looks very interresting, for only 6m. I'll def keep an eye on him

    3. Benster
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 2 months ago

      I'm very tempted by Iwobi. Have had Redmond in my team in every draft so far but swapped to Iwobi yesterday. I prefer attacking threat of Redmondo but is he nailed? Then again....is Iwobi?

  10. piyushbamlia
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Help me make some choices please...
    1. Bailey or Shaw
    2. Delofue or Ayew
    3. Gray or long
    4. Kane or Eriksen
    5. Costa/Sanchez or Vardy/Hazard
    Any thoughts or suggestions most welcome
    As of now my team is
    Friend/Bailey/Fernandez/Evans/Francis
    Delofue/Eriksen/Hazard/Firmino/Hojberg
    Vardy/Aguero/Gray

    1. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 2 months ago

      1. Shaw, Bailey could be a YC Magnet.
      2. Deulofeu
      3. Gray
      4. Kane
      5. VH

    2. ADucksBehind
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Shaw for attacking returns
      Deulefeu
      Gray
      Kane
      Vardy Hazard

    3. Danstoke82
      10 years, 2 months ago

      1. Shaw (more attacking potential)
      2. Deulofeu (Ayew won't be as appealing IMO when he moves to West Ham)
      3. Gray (Unless you don't have Soton cover already)
      4. Tough one (Eriksen to cover Spurs points as your forward line looks good)
      5. Vardy and Hazard (purely for the latter, I feel he's essential this season)

    4. The Rock
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Shaw
      Ayew if he stays
      Gray
      Kane
      V & H

      I understand you wont be able to have Vardy, Aguero, Kane and Gray but i like your strike force as it is. It's a good team, Bailly should be a regular starter but i think Shaw is safer for now.

  11. Over Midwicket
    10 years, 2 months ago

    What are people's thoughts on Gaston Ramirez (MID)?

    On paper, seems like the perfect 4th midfielder.

    - 5.5mil
    - Plays in the hole
    - Takes lots of shots, very selfish
    - On corners, freekicks and posslby pens
    - Scored 7 in 18 last season
    - Loved by Boro fans, credit him for carrying them into the top flight
    - Boro's best player
    - Nailed on
    - Fantastic fixtures

    I could go on but I think he's a bit similar to Gray for Burnley. If Boro score, and they will, he's highly likely to be involved.

    1. Pompel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 2 months ago

      I think quite a few on here have come to the same conclusion - including me. Or perfect 5th mid in a 3-5-2.

    2. La Vida Latte
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Yes! I think he is a gem!

    3. Wardinator
      10 years, 2 months ago

      All fair point I just don't think boro are going to score many goals

      Also, Gray with have more % involvement in burnleys goals than gaston will have for boro

    4. Danstoke82
      10 years, 2 months ago

      My only concern with him is that he is very lightweight. I saw it when he played a few games for Southampton.

      Hope Im wrong and he's a different player to the one that struggled at St Marys.

  12. HVT
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Jesse Lindgard played well yesterday and certainly has given JM something to think about.

    1. andy85wsm
      • Has Moderation Rights
      10 years, 2 months ago

      I can't imagine Mkhitaryan is going to stay on the bench for too much longer though and Rooney seems unlikely to get moved from no.10

      1. HVT
        10 years, 2 months ago

        Agree but no one factored in that Jesse performance, staying away from Mhiki now, on another pisitive note Andy I can't wait to see Pogba/Smalling in that team, should be a good season for us.

    2. Blurryface
      10 years, 2 months ago

      he plays good in wembley

      1. HVT
        10 years, 2 months ago

        Maybe after a decent season last year he's building on that to become a better player in what looks a better team going forward.

    3. valksy
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Jess picked up a knock and Miti more than likely going in against Bournemouth

  13. mo 10 years on FFS? Join my…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Toying with big three....

    Foster, jak
    Valencia, terry, friend, smith, paredes
    Hazard, townsend, redmond, gradel, capoue
    Ibra, kun, kane.

    Earlyish w/c

    1. HVT
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Personally I'd have Vardy over Kane.

    2. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Keep Toying..

  14. Scotty B
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Please RMT

    Courtois
    Friend VVD Shaw
    Redmond Firmino Ramirez Hazard
    Ibrahimovic Aguero Gray
    Subs Jaku Lovren Evans Fletcher

    1. TheGodFather14
      10 years, 2 months ago

      8/10 dude lose Redmond and go for someone else I don't think that if there is assuring that he will play 90

  15. JoeShmoe
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Can i get any advice?

    Foster / Jak 
    Shaw / Targett / Friend / Fuchs / Wasil
    Haz / Mahrez / Tadic / Ramirez / Leko
    Kun / Kane / Gray

    week 2
    mahrez -> firminio

  16. reason17
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Rate my team /10 please

    Foster - Heaton
    Terry - Morgan - Shaw - Taylor - friend
    Hazard - eriksen - tadic - Bolasie - fletcher
    Aguero - Vardy - Gray

    1. merin
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Just saw Terry is injured...

      1. reason17
        10 years, 2 months ago

        Otherwise? What do you think of the team 🙂

  17. Uppercut Panda - A legend i…
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Bailly's CBI in the community shield, more than any defender on the pitch?

    1. HVT
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Prob, he did alright in the end, it was a tough day for him but he certainly put in a shift.
      Pogba/Smalling will make a huge difference to this team.

  18. merin
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Who would you replace Terry with? (5.5m)

    This is my back 7 atm:
    Foster Jakupovic
    Valencia Terry Friend (Pieters Francis)

    1. ADucksBehind
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Van Dijk

  19. Ronnies
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Who'l score more goals this season ?

    a) ibra

    b) vardy

    1. merin
      10 years, 2 months ago

      I hope Ibra, but I think Vardy

  20. FFPro
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Foster | Jakupovic
    Valencia | Evans | Pieters | Friend | 4.0
    Sanchez | Hazard | Lamela | Deulofeu | Capoue
    Aguero | Vardy | Gray

    Bring on the weekend

    1. Yankee Toffee
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Same team except Evans to Naylor, didn't want to double Wba. Anyway don't advertise this!

      1. FFPro
        10 years, 2 months ago

        Quality team, no double ups at all also

        1. Yankee Toffee
          10 years, 2 months ago

          Foster and Evans is a def double up mate

          1. FFPro
            10 years, 2 months ago

            I meant your team

  21. Pompel
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Tempted to go with Ibra + Vardy combo early doors, but means ditching Hazard. Could go with Musa instead, though.

    A) Tadic/Siggy Firmino Lamela Ramirez Capoue
    Aguero Ibra Vardy

    B) Hazard Frimino Lamela Ramirez Capoue
    Aguero Kane Musa

    Which would you prefer?

    1. Jafalad
      10 years, 2 months ago

      b

  22. You've got red on you.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    10 years, 2 months ago

    This is not 5th mid or 3rd striker, no bench warmers here. Which pair to start pretty much every game?

    a) Vardy + Ibe/Feghouli/Fischer

    b) Mahrez + Long/Negredo/Carroll/Wilson

  23. Venom Snake
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Gradel to play out wide or centrally?

    1. Danstoke82
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Out wide but Ive heard rumours that he and Eddie Howe don't see eye to eye so Id monitor whether he will actually start as Bournemouth have pacey wingers in abundance.

      Personally Id plump for Jordon Ibe over Gradel. You don't buy a player for £15m to sit him on the bench.

      1. _Freddo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        10 years, 2 months ago

        Gradel has just signed a new contract though, not sure he'd do that if he didn't get on with a manager that could potentially stall his career.

        1. Danstoke82
          10 years, 2 months ago

          Very true.

          It was just a rumour Id heard but most likely media BS.

          1. _Freddo
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            10 years, 2 months ago

            I think you're right in that Ibe is probably the better pick out of the two right now, can swap over on the wildcard once it's clearer.

  24. Albert Cole
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Hazard looking worth it?

    1. Danstoke82
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Absolutely.

      Rumours of playing just behind the front two and so far looking like his old self pre-season.

      If he smashes it one week he could hurt you if you don't own him going by the amount of RMT's Ive seen so far that have him.

  25. Danstoke82
    10 years, 2 months ago

    Can anyone shed any light on my team please?

    Foster - Jakupovic
    Valencia - Baines - VVD - Kone - BSmith
    Hazard - Tadic - Firmino - Ramirez - Capoue
    Aguero - Vardy - Gray

    £1.0ITB to maybe do Vardy > Kane GW2.

    1. Yankee Toffee
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Too much $ in def, upgrade Firm to Sanchez

      1. Danstoke82
        10 years, 2 months ago

        Id have to make a fair few changes to bring in Alexis though mind.

        What would be your suggested changes If you don't mind me asking?

    2. Dino
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Don't plan transfers in early gws as you need felixibility to jump on bandwagons that emerge

  26. Cato Fong 你好
    10 years, 2 months ago

    (A) Lukaku / Musa
    (B) Vardy / Gray

  27. reason17
    10 years, 2 months ago

    A) Mahrez - Costa + 1.0
    B) hazard - Vardy

    1. Danstoke82
      10 years, 2 months ago

      B.

      Purely to cover Hazard plus Vardy looks a better bet in the Leicester attack than Mahrez going by yesterday's match.

  28. La Vida Latte
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    10 years, 2 months ago

    If you should pick a goal keeper to play every week for the first 19 gameweeks, who would you pick?

    1. Moin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Foster // Adrian

      1. Moin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        10 years, 2 months ago

        If just 1, then Courtois

        1. La Vida Latte
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          10 years, 2 months ago

          Thanks!

    2. Pompel
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Foster or Heaton

  29. LONG LIVE ZOLA
    10 years, 2 months ago

    who's on penalty duty for united?

    rooney or ibra?

    1. Danstoke82
      10 years, 2 months ago

      As he is captain Id say it would be Rooney.

  30. knutmsalo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    10 years, 2 months ago

    hi guys.

    Baines, Coleman, Shaw, Valencia. Who would you go for? I'm thinking about having one defender from each team.

    1. _Freddo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Short term - Baines and Valencia.

      Long term - Coleman and Shaw.

    2. Danstoke82
      10 years, 2 months ago

      Judging by yesterday I think Valencia is a great pick at 5.5.