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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. H-SF
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Oscar and Sanchez or Hazard and Alli

    1. Teror
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Definitely Hazard and Alli. Simply because Oscar is useless in fantasy football.

      1. Penzardlife
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        People have been fooled by pre season. Have one good game in every 10 and will be playing even deeper than last season

    2. Sylas
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B

  2. Scotty B
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Ramirez or Bojan?

    Is Terry nailed?

    1. il Brutto
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Bojan

      Should be for now.

  3. Davido989
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Daniel Sturridge hasn't been ruled out of Arsenal and could yet play a part. (Liverpool Echo)

    1. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I don't think him or origi would start ...

    2. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Shouldn't risk him, don't need to start him

    3. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I can't see it surely will need to get fit

      1. Davido989
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        As Ayew said, no need to

  4. FPL Footy Show Pod
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Crumbled... Vardy in for Ibra

    Question is.... Do I keep Bolasie and Heaton

    OR

    Get Jaku and Firmino

  5. THE REAL RON ⚽
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Who are your TOP THREE big hitters? The first names you stick in your team...

    Big hitters...

    Mids (£8.5m+):
    Alexis, KdB, Hazard, Ozil, Mahrez, Martial, Mkhi, Payet, Mane, Silva, Nolito, Firmino, Eriksen, Alli.

    Forwards (£9.0m+):
    Aguero, Ibra, Kane, Vardy, Sturridge, Costa, Giroud, Bats, Lukaku, Rooney.

    Top three? 🙂

    1. H-SF
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kun, Bobby F and Hazard

      1. THE REAL RON ⚽
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        😎

    2. JIM BOB
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Do you mean for the whole season?

      If so, Aguero, Hazard, Sanchez

      1. THE REAL RON ⚽
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        GW1 team..

    3. makaveli123
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Aguero, Hazard and Firmino.

      1. THE REAL RON ⚽
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        😎

      2. Dirty Harry
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Aguero Hazard Firmino and Ibra are in my team

    4. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      1. Hazard
      2. Aguero
      3. Vardy

      Also have Mane and Alli

      1. THE REAL RON ⚽
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Nice. Tight elsewhere then?

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Yes, but I'm comfortable with it

    5. il Brutto
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Aguero, Hazard and Sanchez

    6. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kun
      Payet
      KDB

      1. Hy liverpool
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        If they were fit ....
        Now : Vardy ,Hazard and kun

    7. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kun, Hazard, Rooney

      1. JIM BOB
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Rofl

        1. Respect My Authoritah
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Yeah, I know 😀

          Still got a feeling he'll come good

    8. Kante Be Bothered
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      1. Hazard
      2. Aguero
      3. Costa

      1. Kante Be Bothered
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Plus Mkhitaryan

    9. Forever In Our Shadow
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kun. Hazard. Sanchez. Ive also got Ibra. 😀

    10. Jamie_GAWA
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Aguero,Ibra,Mané, Mahrez

  6. Bubz
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    What you saying about this team then chaps?

    Foster/Jaku
    Valencia, Fuchs, Friend, Souare, Taylor
    Hazard, Alli, Firmino, Redmond, Capoue
    Aguero, Vardy, Gray

    1. Kizza_10
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I like it, if I'm being picky I'd have bolasie instead of Redmond

    2. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Similar to mine

      No united attacking coverage though?

      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cant pinpoint who Id want from them tbh.

      2. JIM BOB
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I'm not in United options. Too expensive. Defence is a different story...

    3. SW6
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Very strong

      1. SW6
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Similar to mine. I have Tadic Siggy and Deulofeu in midfield with Hazard though

        1. Bubz
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Where are you using the extra cash? Zlatan?

    4. THE REAL RON ⚽
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Ben Dinnery ‏@BenDinnery 10h10 hours ago
      Souare will have a muscular problem assessed: "It was probably just a bit if cramp or nerve, but we don't know," said Millen. #CPFC

      Watford Observer ‏@Observer_Owl Aug 6
      Etienne Capoue is hobbling off the pitch with an injury and is replaced by Mario Suarez #WatfordFC

      Just be aware..

      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Ah. Cheers mate

    5. Ridgewell's scores
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Very similar to mine, like it.

      Would you rather have Foster/Heaton and 5.0 def or Foster/Jaku and 5.5?

      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        The latter

        1. Ridgewell's scores
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          cheers

    6. MagicMessi
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      like it except Capoue

      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Whod you prefer? Cant say Im a big fan of Capoue either but needs to be 4.5m

      2. SW6
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I like Capoue. He used to score goals before coming to Spurs and is surely nailed on

    7. Ludo
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Lovely stuff.

      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Anything youd change Ludo? I'm even thinking of getting Shaw for Fuchs and doubling up but I do love me some Fuchs

        1. Ludo
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Fuchs is definitely the biggest question mark, but could still be great again.

          Just monitor the 4.5s - Souare and Capoue are potentially doubts for GW1, as above, and Neil Taylor hasn't played a minute of pre-season, so he might also miss the start of the season.

    8. H-SF
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      lol thats actually the same team as me apart from I have walker instead of fuchs

      1. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Wow lol

    9. Qubit
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Very similar to mine,

      ive gone Fletcher and Iwobi and a defence of
      Kone Fuchs Shaw Evans Bruce (yes i know he wont play - leaves me 0.5 in the bank for any player moves and 4 defenders is almost certainly fine for the first few weeks - ill likely wildcard before too long)

  7. Kizza_10
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Simpson and Morgan double up too risky ?

  8. Respect My Authoritah
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    I know Mahrez has looked quiet, and Vardy has looked dangerous, but for gw1, Hull will probably sit back and let Mahrez play.

    Vardy may be the stronger option after that though

    1. Ridgewell's scores
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Really can see Vardy popping up with a goal regardless.

    2. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Sit back at home?

    3. jaguar shark
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      i am really nervous about investing in leicester, i mean, there is zero chance that they repeat their form this year, right??

      1. Ridgewell's scores
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I tend to agree, but Vardy looks really sharp and dangerous.

  9. SW6
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Would be lovely if Bony could be bought by Palace/Everton/Stoke

    1. JIM BOB
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      *West Ham

  10. Ridgewell's scores
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Sorry, bottomed.

    A) Firmino, Eriksen, PvA (any 5.0)

    B) Lamela, Martial, VvD

    1. Cecil The Lion
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A

      1. Ridgewell's scores
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers, on that atm.

  11. Defcons are for Kinnear
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    No punts. Nailed on players only
    No punts. Nailed on players only
    No punts. Nailed on players only
    No punts. Nailed on players only
    No punts. Nailed on players only

    1. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Early season seems the best time for punts 🙂

      1. Ridgewell's scores
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Holiday season for me.

    2. Tommytour
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      But punts are fun 🙂

      Then WC to something boring

  12. jaguar shark
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    ok ok. here's where im at.

    Foster / Jakupovic
    Shaw / Walker / Friend / Kone / Kingsley
    Hazard / Mahrez / Townsend / Redmond / de Roon
    Aguero / Ibrahimovic / Gray

    too boring?

    1. Net Gains
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      No it's great. We share 8 out of 11 players.

  13. Danstoke82
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Foster or Heaton?

    1. The Iron Tulip
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I went A

  14. jokke85
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A :Firmino-Vardy- Kane

    B: Delfou - Ibra - Kane
    or
    C : Delfo - Ibra - Vardy

    1. The Iron Tulip
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      C

  15. The Iron Tulip
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Pick 1:

    A) Townsend
    B) Gradel

    1. Tommytour
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A

  16. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Can someone enlighten me regarding injuries on JT and Capouet?

    Think I seen someone suggesting they got injured today.

    1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Great news! Thanks all.

  17. Gazpilicueta
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Lamela or Alli?

    1. Ludo
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Alli, of course.

    2. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I think Alli is worth 1.5m more.

    3. KOLASINA(C)
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Lamela methinks

    4. THE REAL RON ⚽
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Delelelelelelellelele

    5. JIM BOB
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Lamela for me

  18. Cecil The Lion
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    We think PVA is nailed?

  19. KOLASINA(C)
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Btw lads, I wasn't able to watch Leicester's game today, how was Mahrez looking?

  20. BB-8
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    RMT

    Foster - Jaku
    Valencia - Stones - Friend - Pieters - Souare
    Hazard - Firmino - Alli - Deulofeu - Capoue
    Aguero - Vardy - Gray

    1. Eddie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I like it, because i have essentially the same team, but Ibr for Vardy and Resmond for Alli. Also have Mahrez to start but hope to bring in Firmino when fixtures ease. Having second thoughts though, your midfield is much stronger than mine.

  21. makaveli123
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Had both Hazard and Mahrez in my midfield before the matches today, but now I feel unconfident about the latter. Mahrez didn't look particulary good. Is he unhappy at Leicester?

    1. Ruth_NZ
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      No, just over-rated.

  22. thorvaldsson
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    People are really disrespecting Arsenal's defensive capabilities. Sure, their center halves are injured but Arsenal's defensive strength doesn't come from Koscielny and Monreal taking the ball from opponents rather it's the fact Arsenal keep the ball so much. You can't score if you don't have the ball! Firmino, Coutinho and company are swell but many are assuming they will have the ball to operate and that's a little rash especially at the Emirates. I'm not a Gunners fan and I know that.

    1. Ludo
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Liverpool and Leicester are their first two opponents.

      Along with Spurs, they were arguably the two best teams in the league last year at pressing opposition centre backs into making mistakes.

      Do you see Holding and Chambers coping well with that?

    2. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Liverpool don't need possession to score. See Barcelona.

      1. thorvaldsson
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        You are right that's why they play the game like the saying goes. My thing is...everyone is hoping for a 3-0 score line to Liverpool against Arsenal. We watch too much football on here to believe that. At best Liverpool may score one goal and it could come from James Milner and then all the wildcards in the world will be played. Don't think Arsenal will bleed so heavy in this one.

  23. Forza Papac
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Where's all the love for Costa? Only 4.5% ownership atm

  24. Net Gains
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Best 6.5 mid? Also Valencia or Shaw? Thanks guys.

    1. You Were Wearing Your Blue …
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      shaw

  25. You Were Wearing Your Blue …
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    What you guys think of this team? any advice appreciated!!!

    Foster

    Shaw Williams Walker Van Aanholt

    De Bruyne Hazard Fisher

    Aguero Ibrahimovíc Gray

    Heaton, Fletcher, Capoue, Lenihan subs... Think i'm planning on using my wildcard in gw 4

  26. MoeZe3bi
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is Neil Taylor a good choice? is he nailed?

    1. You Were Wearing Your Blue …
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      nope

  27. MagicMessi
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    repost >>> Plz Rate
    Valdes(jako)
    Sagna - Pieters - Byram - Mcauley - Soare
    Delofeo - Redmond - Hazard - Bolasie - Gradel\Sobhi
    Kane - Vardy - Kun

    thx

    1. You Were Wearing Your Blue …
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      u spent to much on foward line, dont like mid or defence and valdes is a bad choice

    2. Teror
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Att: 10/10
      Mid: 5/10
      Def: 3/10
      GK: 3/10

  28. Teror
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Vardy or Kane?

    1. KOLASINA(C)
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Vardy.

    2. XLSX
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kane by a whisker

  29. The Gambler.
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Holding nailed now?

    Wenger a stubborn old goat, he probably still wont spend

  30. roghippo
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Alli n Oscar or Lamela n Hazard

    1. Teror
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B. Definitely.

    2. Qubit
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A. Lamela bit risky for my liking.