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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. The Mighty Whites
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Courtois & 2 X 4.5 or Foster, Azpi & 4.0?

    1. Punter
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B

  2. oghash
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Gabriel injured, mert injured kosc out first game. I think I can't ignore liverpool attack now

    1. KISSES
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Cannot wait for Firmino goal and assist.

    2. Zizoulicious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Tempted to go with both Firmino and Mané

    3. Squires FC
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Firmino likely to play false 9 I reckon

    4. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Someone said that Townsend isn't nailed earlier.
      Is he? x

      1. Ayew Serious
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I have Mane btw

        1. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Good boy. 🙂

          1. Ayew Serious
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Unless I decide I need 0.5, I'll be going straight to Firmino

            1. Jazz!
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              I need £0.5m right now but I'll never downgrade Mane to Firmino 🙂

              1. Ayew Serious
                • 10 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                Understandable

        2. Hy liverpool
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Very tempted ... but it's him vs hazard for me so may go with Coutinho !!

          1. Ayew Serious
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            I've Hazard too

      2. oghash
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Of course he's nailed.

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Thanks, nailed in my team too.

          1. oghash
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Just swapped Del boy to firmino. I have Hazard also. Might upgrade to Mane but not sure.

            1. Ayew Serious
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Not much between them. But Manes upside is massive

  3. Charlius Barlius
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Hello, this is my starting line up ive gone for the big kahuna front 3 !
    Decided to ditch marhez as this eve he didnt look quite right to me.

    Foster
    VVD - Stones - Fry
    Alli - Firmino - Tadic - Fegouli
    Augero - Kane - Vardy

    A -Firmino + vvd
    OR
    B - Mane + 5m?

    Any thoughts?
    Plus is fry defo to start? Cheers!

  4. Drop Dead Tsimikas
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Best DEF/MF combo for 10K?

    1. XLSX
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Ramirez, Kone or Lowton

    2. Jay10
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Evans,Feghouli

  5. Les Bleus
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Repost: Can someone tell me who Ramirez is and who he plays for? Is he worth a 4th mid spot?

    1. KISSES
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Gaston? Boro. They love him up there but he has never set the prem a light.

      1. Les Bleus
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Interesting. Seen a lot of love for him on here. Cheers.

    2. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Gaston ramirez x-Southampton player
      Middlesbrough

  6. Hy liverpool
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Two questions lads

    1. Start with Coutinho or siggy ?
    2. Baines/Coleman+Morgan or Fuchs+F.mori

    1. Les Bleus
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      1. Coutinho between the two. Siggy hasn't played at all preseason.
      2. Baines and Morgan IMO

      1. Hy liverpool
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers that what I wanted too 😀

  7. Ya Boi
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Few questions to you guys:
    1. Redmond, Deulofeu or Lamela?
    2. Funes Mori/Stones, Simpson?
    3. Sagna? is he nailed on?

    1. Hy liverpool
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Deu
      Mori if nailed
      No

  8. Original Sin
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    another ques from me...Is there a clear winner between the two or is it very close?

    1. tadic + lamela
    or
    2. eriksen + Redmond

    1. MoeZe3bi
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      1

      1. Original Sin
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks. Appreciated

    2. Cecil The Lion
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Close

  9. Emiliano Sala
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Kane or costa ???

    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A

      1. MoeZe3bi
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Kane

    2. Cecil The Lion
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kane

    3. XLSX
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Kane with Hazard 🙂

  10. MoeZe3bi
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Tadic or Siggy?

    1. Sanguinista
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Tadic all day. Siggy hasnt played a minute in pre-season and his fixtures are disastrous post gw2

    2. Les Bleus
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Tadic

    3. Cecil The Lion
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Tadic

    4. Top 210 Club
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Tadic

    5. XLSX
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Redmond... Save some dosh

  11. Cecil The Lion
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    @Jazz

    Would you prefer Mirallas over Redmond in that case?

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Nah, I was just giving a balanced theory for both ways. Prefer Redmond.

      1. Cecil The Lion
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cool. Thanks

      2. Hy liverpool
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        And over deulf too?

        1. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Yep, mainly because goals > assists. Deulofeu a solid option too, just personal opinion.

  12. Jay10
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Does Ayew signing means Carroll wont be first choice? Surely Ayew isn't coming to play rw when Feghouli,Tore,Antonio can play there.

    1. 1justlookin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I would have thought Ayew out wide.

  13. Cecil The Lion
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Any ideas where Ake will play for Bournemouth?

    1. Jay10
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Bench or rb.

      1. Cecil The Lion
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers.

    2. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      4-1-4-1

      He'll play as the '1' in front of the defence.

      If they play a 4-4-2 then on the bench.

      1. Cecil The Lion
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers. Not nailed, then?

        1. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Nope. Wouldn't say so yet at least.

    3. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Bought as a midfielder I think

      1. Jazz!
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Correct.

  14. Original Sin
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Will post it again....
    Is there a clear winner between the two or is it very close?

    1. tadic + lamela
    or
    2. eriksen + Redmond

    1. v12w12
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      2 I think. Close

      1. Original Sin
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks. I think Eriksen will clearly beat Lamela...so it boils down to how good Redmond will be FPL wise. If I could I would have Eriksen and Tadic

    2. XLSX
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Lamela and Redmond. Spend the extra dosh on someone else

    3. adamtheyido
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Think Lamela will be our stand out player this season.
      His game has been building, looks so sharp in pre season, full of confidence and a lot cheaper

  15. Sanguinista
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Has anyone been following Southampton's pre-season? Been tracking VVD - he's a beast going forward & also a bonus point magnet. Him & Byram rotate nicely (until Hammers sign a new LB). Byram also has 2 assists in pre-season.

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Yeah, they're very solid. VvD a great pick.

      1. Sanguinista
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Is he in your team, mate? I dont see him in too many RMTs.

        1. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Him vs Valencia, currently on the latter. I really like him as a pick though. Highly considering Cedric also.

          1. Sanguinista
            • 13 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            I have them both along with Baines who as a wingback in a 3-5-2 and those early fixtures might bag a lot of points.

    2. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Pretty much. I do like VVD if Southampton are keeping clean sheets he has great potential

      1. Sanguinista
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Southampton are unbeaten in pre-season - and besides the tough away fixtures early on, they have plum home games.

        1. Cheeseoid
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          For me 5.5 needs to be a def you play every week at this point. I am siting with Forster in goal to cover the fixtures for 5

          1. Sanguinista
            • 13 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Fair enough, I'm gonna bench him for 1/5 opening games.

            1. Cheeseoid
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 13 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              He may yet come in and Forster out. I do like them both as players a lot

  16. Fergietime
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Are many going for Sanchez?

  17. Forza Papac
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Coutinho or Firmino?

    1. MoeZe3bi
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Firmino ofc

  18. GS456
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A playing 4.0 defender come through yet??

    1. Swans4life
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Brad smith could be one to watch Amat for swans if Williams goes to arsenal

      1. GS456
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        thanks

  19. Worsle90
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is Baines nailed on?

    1. Sanguinista
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      He's been solid in pre-season and also a fan favorite. I'd expect Koeman to start him.

    2. Third Eye Vision
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      100%

  20. Net Gains
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Please write your current captain choice for GW1 below.

    Aguero

    1. Swans4life
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Brain says augero heart says vardy

  21. Emiliano Sala
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Heart says mane
    Brain firmino

    1. Davido989
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I'm surprise either function, Wilshere.

    2. BB-8
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Wallet says Coutinho

  22. David Juan
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    I'm with the maverick that is Mane!

    Can I get your guys opinion on this draft:

    Foster

    Valencia / Morgan / VVD

    Hazard / Mane / Mahrez / Tadic / Townsend

    Kun / Gray

    Subs: Jak / Kone / Friend / Diomande

  23. Squires FC
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Iwobi - is he nailed? Not sure he is but started last few games, 3 goals, started last half dozen games at the end of last season & I think wenger believes in him. Definately seems to bring more balance to there attack as he's a good passer and tracks back. Thoughts?

    1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      If he's nailed, he is definitely in my plans.

    2. Swans4life
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I think he will start be good differential

  24. grooveymatt65
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Guys what's do you think of this team:

    Foster Nordfelt
    Shaw McAuley Baines Friend Tarkowski

    Hazard Firmino Tadic Sigurdsson
    Watson

    Aguero Vardy Grey

    0.0 ITB - the reason there is no utd attacking cover is im uncertain on there midfielders and Zlatan is too pricey.

    But what do you guys think?! 🙂

    Thanks.

  25. MoeZe3bi
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Thinking abt captaining firmino, what do u think?? defensive crisis for the gunners!

    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Could score well.

    2. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Interesting choice. Can't look beyond Kun or Hazard here.

  26. pokern1nja09
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Most nailed Man City defender?

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Don't go there, maybe Clichy though.

  27. waltzingmatildas
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Hey,
    Not been here for a while so could be totally off the mark. But what do you reckon?

    Butland mannone
    Shaw terry mcauley Taylor Smith
    Kdb Sanchez ayew feghouli fischer
    Aguero origi gray

    Feel free to pull it to pieces!

    1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Origi isn't nailed. KdB is a doubt for GW1. Not really sure about Sanchez, either (did he play today?). Don't like McAuley.

  28. DrunkPhilosophy
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Hello, How's everyone doing?

    So this is what I'm currently on

    Foster / Juku
    Azpi Shaw Friend Mori Smith
    Hazard Alli Firmino Ramirez Capoue
    Aguero Vardy Gray

    How does it look?

  29. BigAsGiroud_
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    advice please~

    Butland/Foster
    Shaw/Azpi/Pieters/Stones/McAuley
    Sanchez/Coutinho/Lamela/Tadic/Kouyate
    Kun/Gray/Wilson

    1. MoeZe3bi
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      too much money on mid

  30. 1justlookin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Ok, latest RMT...

    Foster. Heaton
    Terry. Shaw. Kone. Evans. Souare
    Sanchez. Hazard. Firmino. Redmond. Capoue.
    Aguero. Carroll. Gray.