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7 August 2016 5026 comments
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With the Brazilian duo of Roberto Firmino and Philippe Coutinho, along with Adam Lallana, the Liverpool midfield was already full of attacking intent last season.

With Sadio Mane recruited from Southampton and Georginio Wijnaldum drafted in from Newcastle, Fantasy managers face an even tougher choice when selecting from Liverpool’s crowded list of midfielders.

With this in mind, we asked our team of contributors the “Burning Question” – “Which of Jurgen Klopp’s midfield assets warrant investment?”

“Dufflinks” aka Simon March (2014/15 FPL Champion) says…

Maybe it’s because I’ve been burned several seasons running by Liverpool midfielders (my Coutinho and Firmino double Gameweek double up last season was a notable disaster), but none of Liverpool’s players fill me with confidence this season.

Their opening fixtures don’t help their cause but, inevitably, somebody will emerge with form to tempt the good ship that is my Fantasy team towards the jagged rocks of red-arrow oblivion.

Or maybe this year it’ll be different. Firmino might play up front and Coutinho looks good value at 8.0. Then there’s Sadio ‘not another hat-trick?’ Mane to think about.

The problem is, whichever I chose, I’m pretty certain I’ll be choosing be the wrong one. That’s really the challenge; there’s too little to pick between them at the moment and, meanwhile, there’s plenty of comparable and, arguably, safer options to look at elsewhere.

So the short answer is that, for all the undeniable quality and potential in Liverpool’s midfield, a player would have to emerge as a really compelling and consistent option before I can bring myself to look in that direction again.

Mark says…

It’s fortunate that Liverpool’s fixtures are so unappealing early on – that should give us the opportunity to assess matters further before being lured to invest in Klopp’s midfield.

My love/hate relationship with Mane is well known on these pages and inevitably my heart is screaming to side with the Senegalese.

Meanwhile, my head will urge me to play safe and stick with Firmino. He’s the option most likely to be backed by Klopp and a player who could find himself spearheading the Liverpool attack as a false nine – that’s certainly been the case in pre-season.

With 0.5 in change, it seems obvious to opt for the Brazilian, although Mane’s tendency to explode goals remains a nagging concern.

Elsewhere, both Wijnaldum and Countinho cloud the issue further.

Much as I’d like Coutinho’s class to translate to emphatic Fantasy returns, I fear he’ll be reduced to providing the probing passes that go unrewarded, relying on numerous improbable strikes from range to keep his tally ticking.

Firmino ahead of the Gameweek 6 clash with Hull, looks the likely route. I only hope that a slow start will keep his price grounded and that Mane’s output to that point doesn’t turn my head further.

Jonty says…

In my view there are just three main protagonists in the Liverpool midfield, each offering something different depending on your style of Fantasy management.

For the “dullards” amongst us there is Firmino: a known favourite of Klopp who looks the most nailed on of the midfield.

He also has a strong debut season under his belt, accruing 155 points even though it took him around two months to cement himself in the side.

His ten goals, eight assists and 18 FPL bonus points last term also show his game offers broad points potential. It will come as no surprise to reveal that this ‘Steady Eddy’ of Klopp’s unit is this dullard’s top Liverpool midfield target.

For the Maverick there is a Mane. He’s incredibly frustrating and inconsistent, but his explosive potential is tailor made for the risk taking Fantasy manager.

Take last season for example. After failing to score in the Premier League for four months he went on a sensational and unexpected scoring run that included a brace against Liverpool and a hat-trick against Manchester City.

Finally, for the stats obsessives, Coutinho offers a third route.

Last season no other midfielder had more goal attempts than his tally of 111. But with just eight goals from this effort he is a goal explosion that may never arrive.

Paul says…

Roberto Firmino.

I reckon Wijnaldum’s potential will be somewhat diminished by his ability to play in a deeper central midfield role, whilst Coutinho’s underlying numbers will always flatter to deceive – essentially, this is a player who has scored 4.9% and 7.2% of his chances in the last two seasons and lacks a cutting edge.

This leaves Firmino and Sadio Mane as my favoured Liverpool midfield options. Whilst both are versatile enough to play as a “false nine” or in the attacking midfield positions, I simply feel that Firmino is a class above the summer signing from Southampton.

The Brazilian’s output with Klopp in charge underlines his capabilities.

Firmino averaged 5.8 points per match under the German’s guidance last season and, despite Liverpool’s tricky opening schedule, it’s worth bearing in mind that the former Hoffenheim man picked up returns against the likes of Chelsea, Leicester, Man City and Arsenal amongst others in 2015/16.

A player of that calibre, with such fixture-proof potential and priced relatively kindly at 8.5, looks irresistible.

Spencer says…

Some of Klopp’s games last season where a joy to watch, with aggression, directness, and attacking intent all key to Liverpool’s play. With a raft of new acquisitions the German has firmly cemented his ethos in the side and there are high hopes for this season.

Amongst their midfielders, Firmino certainly looks the best option.

He was Liverpool’s top goal scorer last season and has shown the magic that he can produce on the pitch. Added to that, some impressive outings as a false nine position further cement his appeal.

Coutinho has often produced impressive underlying statistics, but his end product has been lacking. The key question is whether Klopp get some consistency from the young Brazilian and whether that will translate to Fantasy points returns.

Meanwhile, Lallana has also shone under Klopp. One could argue that the former Southampton midfielder has played his best football at Liverpool during his tenure. But his starting role has never looked assured since arriving at Anfield.

Then we have the new signings – Mane and Wijnaldum. Both have similar statistics (11 goals and six and five assists respectively) and could yet emerge as strong options under Klopp.

Lack of European competition should ease rotation fears, but it could also breed discontent as those left on the bench become increasingly unsatisfied with their lack of game time.

Fixtures are also tough early on but I don’t think this will hinder Liverpool. They played exceptionally well against many so called bigger sides last season.

As soon as it becomes clear which midfielder is most assured of starts and demonstrates consistency, they are heading straight for my squad.

Applebonkers says…

This is a very interesting one, as are Liverpool as a whole with Klopp’s feet now fully under the table and no European distractions.

Firmino was a quiet colossus once he broke into the side properly and there’s no reason why at 24 he can’t push on even more.

Hamstring injuries and the Europa League kept Coutinho away from blue-star status but there were actually signs of a consistent FPL points scorer developing.

Mane is too mercurial to predict, he may also be more prone to bench-time with Lallana lurking.

Then there’s the dishwater duo of Milner and Henderson. They will play too deep with Milner expected to fill in at left-back and, thanks to Emre Can and Wijnaldum, there’s just too much competition for places.

I’ve got a good feeling about Liverpool this season, I think they’ll overwhelm a lot of sides and rack-up some big wins. Like hairy conjoined twins prepping for the beach, two Brazilians could be the answer here.

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  1. Net Gains
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    How's this lot for a front seven?

    Hazard Mahrez Lamela Townsend

    Aguero Vardy Gray

    1. KISSES
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Im ot sold on Lamela, looks good though

    2. BabyB
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Similar to mine. I like it.

    3. Numb
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Too much Leicester

      1. Net Gains
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Fair enough, which change would you make?

    4. tom l
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      vardy -rooney
      lamela-erics/ali
      +spare cash

    5. Lestat
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      no Ibrahim

  2. KISSES
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Terry 100% nailed to start? No European football either so will get good recuperation in between games, resting cup games?

    1. oghash
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I'd wait and see, he got injured today. His heel I think

  3. Parm
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Lit

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      You're team is lit *multiple fire emoticons*

      1. Ayew Serious
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        *your

      2. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks

        Foster, Jakupovic.
        Valencia, Cédric, Evans, Chambers, Kingsley.
        Sánchez, Hazard, Redmond, Bojan, Capoue.
        Agüero, Kane, Gray.

        1. Ayew Serious
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Sanchez didn't look lit enough today for me to get him

          1. Parm
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 14 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Will be pretty lit on Sunday though.

            1. Ayew Serious
              • 10 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Mane will outlit him

              1. Jazz!
                • 11 Years
                9 years, 8 months ago

                This. 😎

        2. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Finally I see someone with Cedric. Tops baseline BAPS and had a really solid Euros, can see him doing very well.

          1. Ayew Serious
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Pied and Martina not worrying?
            Especially since Cedric hasn't had much of a pre season

            1. Jazz!
              • 11 Years
              9 years, 8 months ago

              Martina is completely out of the equation, don't see him coming near the RB spot.

              Pied, perhaps. Everyone on the Saints forums are predicting Cedric to start though, not seen one with Pied.

    2. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      1. Parm
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

  4. JAC THE CAT
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    I think I will be abandoning my 2 X 6.5 forwards plan!

    It's now between Kane and Vardy

    1. MoeZe3bi
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      why not ibra?

    2. BabyB
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I keep going round I circles but just can't look past how bad hull are..

      1. Kante Be Bothered
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        everybody will get their chance to play hull

    3. Dynamic Duos
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      i also abandoned that plan.

      Kane Kun Negredo im going.

      so Kane.

    4. _Freddo
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Vardy GW1, Kane GW2, Zlatan GW3 (if he convinces) WC and commit to the long term GW4.

      Will need to get the rest of the side locked in and hope for no injuries though.

    5. st4rt__
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Two upfront. Aguero - Vardy. I'll leave Kane till 'Bele is back.

  5. BB-8
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    A. Firmino Alli Vardy
    B. Mahrez Redmond Ibra
    C. Mahrez Redmond Kane + .5

    1. Coaly
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A

    2. Swans4life
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      A

  6. Dynamic Duos
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    hazard or oscar?

    1. MoeZe3bi
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      What? definitely hazard!

    2. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Hazard is in most RMTs

  7. Paramaribo
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    What would you improve?

    Schmeichel - Jakupovic
    Shaw - Terry - Souare - McAuley - Smith
    Mahrez - Hazard - Townsend - Fischer - Fletcher
    Aguero - Ibrahimovic - Long

    1. Rafa is a Geordie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Solid squad

      1. Paramaribo
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks. I was thinking of downgrading Schmeichel to Foster but I see no way to use better these 0.5.

        1. Paramaribo
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Foster or another 4.5 goalkeeper I mean. As Foster would not be adequate to keep with Fischer and Townsend playing against them in the first gameweeks.

  8. Cecil The Lion
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    So is Souare nailed?

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Not quite. He's first choice and it's very unlikely he'll lose his place

      1. Cecil The Lion
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers

  9. Loðbrók
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Toughts on Llorente? Will he play gw1? Why is he not added in fpl?

    1. Swans4life
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Yes I think he will play and probably be upload soon

    2. Black Panther
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      He'll start GW1 but could be benched when Borja Baston signs

  10. DrunkPhilosophy
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Sorry, Bottomed

    Hello, How's everyone doing?

    So this is what I'm currently on

    Foster / Juku
    Azpi Shaw Friend Mori Smith
    Hazard Alli Firmino Ramirez Capoue
    Aguero Vardy Gray

    How does it look?

    1. Latchmere Wave Machine
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      It looks fine

    2. Paramaribo
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Look good to me - only that Spurs and Liverpool have some hard matches in the beginning.

  11. Numb
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone know who is Everton's first choice keeper now?

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Stekky I'd say

      1. Numb
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks

  12. Drop Dead Tsimikas
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    This could just be crazy enough to work (downgraded Valencia per suggestions)

    Foster (Jak)
    VVD | Friend | Evans (Byram, Smith)
    Haz | Tadic | Townsend | Gaston
    Vardy | Kun | Ibra

    1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      (Capoue as bench MF)

    2. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Why downgrade valencia?

      1. Drop Dead Tsimikas
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        To upgrade Leko to Gaston (otherwise two 4.5 MFs)

        1. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Right, makes sense

    3. makaveli123
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Nice!

  13. adstomko
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    RMT out of 10 guys. Aguero-less but a good squad IMO

    Mandanda (4.0)
    Valencia, Walker, Van Dijk (4.0, 4.0)
    Hazard, Mané, Oscar, Firmino (4.5)
    Kane, Vardy, Gray

    1. FPLCEO
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Like some of the high risk and high reward mids in there but honestly Aguero is the only essential in the game

      1. adstomko
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Have a feeling Man City will struggle against Sunderland and Stoke, who will park the bus. Also, City's midfielders are not fit. Hence, I think Aguero won't get much service from the start

      2. Velocity
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        This

  14. MoeZe3bi
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Does crystal adapt a defensive strategy?

  15. FPL Maldini
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    So he is likely to start for Arsenal in defence next week?

    1. FPL Maldini
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Who?

    2. Kante Be Bothered
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Monreal Chambers Holding Bellerin

      1. FPL Maldini
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Firminho captain then? Ha

        1. Kante Be Bothered
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          If you are brave enough haha!

      2. Swans4life
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Depends if they sign anyone but that will be it if they don't

    3. FPLCEO
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      I expect a new signing....wouldn't invest in their defence any way as expect goal conceded for at least the first 4 games.

      Chambers likely to get a run out which will excite Liverpool and their high press

  16. BT31 - WE ARE ALL TINKERMEN…
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Two defenders for 10.5.

    Which 2 would you get?

    1. Kante Be Bothered
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Walker + Williams

    2. Jøssy ⭐
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Valencia + Funes Mori

  17. esben86
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is Baines still #1 on set piece + pens?

    1. Epic Fail
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Maybe some set pieces.

  18. Piggs Boson
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Haven't caught any of the Hammers' pre-season games. How has Payet looked?

    1. Piggs Boson
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Just seen he's only had a few minutes against Juve. Not much to go on then...

      1. Kante Be Bothered
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Wont start GW1 i think

        1. Piggs Boson
          • 14 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          Thanks. Highest owned mid in the game 😯

          1. Kante Be Bothered
            • 9 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            I know haha! I cant seem to understand why

  19. Giovanni Giorgio
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    4.5 - 4.0
    5.5 - 4.5 - 4.5 - 4.5 - 4.5

    GK's and D. Too cheap?

    1. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Nah. If they rotate well it's all good.
      I'm on only 0.5m more and have a non playing defender.

      1. Kante Be Bothered
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        A little bit

  20. GS456
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Hart, Jakupovic

    Souare, Shaw, Evans, Azpi, 4.0

    Hazard, Alli, Townsend, Redmond, Fletcher

    Aguero, Vardy, Gray.
    1.0 ITB to stay flexible
    Good enough ?

    1. Garlana
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Don't like hart. But the rest looks decent

  21. zalar88
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    is this team ok? tear it..
    foster(jaku)
    azpi, valencia,friend,(kone,paredes)
    hazard,firmino,lamela,tadic,(capoue)
    kun(c),vardy,gray

    any advice?anyone?

  22. camarozz
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    How many games in is the dreaded international break???

    1. Latchmere Wave Machine
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      After gwk3

  23. Ridgewell's scores
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Is Cedric nailed on? Is PvA a better pick? Who'd you have at the back for 5.0?

  24. wbreid777
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Rate my team

    Courtois, Pickford (Bench)
    Chambers, Shaw, Friend, Paredes (Bench), Stones (Bench)
    Barkley, Mkhitaryan, Hazard, Ramsey, Fletcher (Bench)
    Negredo, Aguero, Musa

    1. GS456
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Will Musa start?

      1. wbreid777
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I hope so

    2. Latchmere Wave Machine
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      It's not for me

  25. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 15 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone not fully trust lamela?

    1. Ridgewell's scores
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      o/

    2. Sylas
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      \o/

    3. Chelsea Dagger
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      o/

  26. Forza Papac
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Opinions please.

    Jak - Mandanda

    Terry - Shaw - Sagna - Evans - Friend

    Firmino - Oscar (or other 7.5) - Tadic - Townsend - Feghouli

    Aguero - Kane - Gray

  27. Jøssy ⭐
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    I'm very surprised about the lack of love for Mané in the article. I was currently favouring him.

    What about you guys in the forum?

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Shhhh.

      1. Jøssy ⭐
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Mum's the word!

    2. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Too inconsistent, goes wild one game then likely to blank the next 10

      1. Jøssy ⭐
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        Is that because he goes missing, or he gets unlucky with his output?

    3. Latchmere Wave Machine
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      He was unplayable this weekend

      1. Jøssy ⭐
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 8 months ago

        I know. I was watching, and that's why I wanted him. All the contributors are making me doubt myself.

        1. David Juan
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          You saw from my 3-5-2 earlier mate I'm in the Mane camp... Stay true!!

          Ibra only got one goal though not the two!!

        2. David Juan
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 8 months ago

          What was with the Mata on, Mata off deal? Mourning flexing his anti-Mata muscles again?!

          1. Jøssy ⭐
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 8 months ago

            Yeah, I think he may have been. He justified it afterwards, but he must have known how the media would respond.

            Not sure why he would start his Utd career with a controversial move like that.

  28. Worsle90
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    How can I improve this with fixtures taken into account?

    De Gea, Jaku

    Morgan, Valencia, Friend, Stones, Paredes,

    Deulofeu, Townsend, Lamela, Hazard,

    Aguero, Ibra, Gray

    1. Worsle90
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Sorry, Ibe is 5th mid

  29. Gazpilicueta
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Which goalkeeper is the best partner for Foster? I really like West Brom and Pulis, and I want to play Foster most weeks, so....

    A) Jakupovic, keep it cheap, he wont see much play
    B) Heaton, the rotation works
    C) someone else to cover the hard weeks

    1. Giovanni Giorgio
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      B

  30. Hibbo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 8 months ago

    Really like Apple Bonkers writing style in the article.

    1. Ayew Serious
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 8 months ago

      Everything he writes is fantastic