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When determining the value of a defender, one area that often gets overlooked is the required structure of an Fantasy Premier League squad.  Since we must carry five defenders, we have to account for the cost of our bench players as well as our starters in determining what the true cost or value is for any player.

Heavy Hitters v Rotation

Many players like to go for one, two, or even three big hitter defenders when structuring their teams, something like this in terms of price.

5.5/5.5/5.0/4.5/4.5 = 25

I’m going to take a different approach to see where the value points might be, by considering the sunk costs associated with our back lines.  And I will be arguing that a four or five way rotation of cheaper defenders might actually be the more cost effective strategy, something alone the lines of

4.5/4.5/4.5/4.5/4.5 = 22.5

If you have to spend the money on the bench spot, why not make that money work for you in a rotation?

Here Comes The Science

Firstly, I’m going to look at 4 points per game (PPG) as an excellent score for a defender, one which many would pay a premium for.  Last season, only four defenders amassed the 152 overall points this rate would have gotten them if they had played every match of the season — 4×38 games: Hector Bellerin, Toby Alderweireld, Laurent Koscielny, Nacho Monreal.

Their prices of 6.0-6.5 underscore their strong seasons and potential.  Additionally, just 21 defenders were able to hit that 4 PPG in 2015-16 regardless of games played, so it seems to be a high barrier.

Members can also look at the Rate My Team projections to see how many defenders are estimated at 24 PPG for the first six weeks.  It won’t take long.

As stated above, the requirements mandate carrying two extra defenders if playing a 352 or 343 formation, so all of us head into our decision making process for the three spots we will use actively each week having already spent money (I will use 9.0m as the baseline cost of the final two bench spots though some might go under that at 8.5  – 8.0 seems especially rash – and a few might power up for luxury rotation and go for 9.5.

So we now have to factor the cost of carrying the two bench players into our assessment of cost so the question of Alderweireld  v George Friend doesn’t become just a question of 6.5m vs 4.5m, but rather –

A) 9.5 (6.5 + the 3.0m shared cost/starter across the backline) vs 7.5 (4.5 + 3.0m) if Alderweireld and Burnley’s 4.5m priced Ben Mee are being played as individuals not part of a rotation; or

B) 11.0 (6.5 + 4.5 bench fodder) vs 9.0 (4.5 + 4.5 in a rotation) if deciding on a second or third premium in isolation; or

C) the aforementioned 25m vs 22.5m total for the defenses of 3 every week starters vs a 4-5 man rotation.

What are we getting for our money?  First, the optimistic Alderweireld and the Premiums scenarios (we will give Alderweireld a score of 4.6 — elite output for a defender — and his lesser Premiums a score of 4.0 each):

A) Three premium defenders total value: 4.2 PPG / 9.5m = .44 PPG/m

B) The value of a lesser second or third individual premium defender in isolation: 4.0 PPG / 11m = .36 PPG/m

C) The total value of the five defenders: 12.6 Points / 25M = .50 PPG/m

Now, the calculation of the cheaper defender rotations.  These numbers are estimates and may very well be too rosy, but they are hopefully somewhat reasonable.

A) No rotation to speak of beyond substantial fixture difficulty changes at intermittent times during the season — a 4.5 defender should be able to garner something like a 20-25% chance of a CS, so over the course of six weeks that would give us about 3PPG assuming a 6 for a CS and a 2 for a starting appearance.  This is not factoring in Bonus, attacking returns, and other scores, so I think it is fairly conservative.

3 PPG / 7.5m = .40 PPG/m

***Comparing to a Premium, it is close — the additional funds seem to garner an additional 10% increase.***

B) In this scenario, we consider that having a four way rotation should give you access to 2 strong CS opportunities/week (at about 40-50% odds), so we hope to be able to yield one CS/week.  We could conservatively consider that a score for our three defenders that week would be at least a 6/2/2 for 3.33 PPG.

3.33 PPG / 9.0m = .37 PPG/m

***Comparing to a lesser Premium, it doesn’t make sense to spend — the additional funds garner a decrease of a few percent.

C) In this scenario, we would rotate five inexpensive defenders, with a goal of securing maybe 9 CS over a six week period, or 1.5 CS/week for three defenders.  We could then consider a score for them to average us 6/4/2 for 4 PPG.

12 Points / 22.5m = .53 PPG/m

*** Comparing to the conventional backline, spending once again does not garner an increased rate of points per game, with another slight decrease here.

Conclusion

So why, then, do we spend money on a premium defender?  Attacking returns, breakout potential, changed circumstances, and out of position status all factor in, but the most plausible argument is likely the lack of risk in paying for coverage of an elite defence.  All of the above speculation is predicated on two very different management set-ups: Alderweireld and the Premiums play themselves — just plug them in and let their potential manifest itself over the long run.  The pay out will hopefully be 24-25 points every six weeks as long as the elite defences do their part. Last year, several did just that from the outset, while others greatly disappointed.  The cheaper defender rotation strategy relies heavily on the odds going as well as they can for a manager, with much more chance of an upsetting result for our paltry investment.  A nightmare scenario of 10 points in six weeks beckons if fortune doesn’t favor us.

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  1. J0E
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    I'm going to confess that the Here Comes the Science part hurt my head a little. But I got the gist.

    I'm sure TM245 will be around later today to help any others like me who find maths a little daunting at times.

    As ever, thanks for submitting. Certainly gives food for thought.

    1. tm245
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Yes, it made more sense in my head than on the page, for sure.

      Thanks for the helpful edits and the quick turnaround!

  2. Malcolm Tucker for England …
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    not had chance to read in depth, but seemed to get that the "plug and play" aspect of big hitters is the key, whereas you could rotate the wrong cheapie.
    Liked that the 10% uplift was included for money spent elsewhere - my heart warmed at the inclusion of that 🙂

    personally am going 4.0, 4.0, 4.5, 4.5, 4.5 and heavy hitters up top and a 5.0/4.5 keeper combo.
    Keeping a mill in the bank for surgery though.

    1. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      2x4.0s? A tad risky no? why not go for 2 4.5 keepers and get another 4.5 defender

    2. The Cloud Watcher
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Pretty much exactly what I'm doing as well.

    3. Biancazzurri
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      is there a 4.0 priced sure-starter though?

      1. Krionos
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        This maths stuff is all well and good but only brings you so far in Football. We are talking about human beings after all...

        And I have yet to see any manager win the PL fantasy with a bunch of 4.0-4.5 defenders. You have to invest in quality players in all positions. And hope you pick the right ones at the right moment.

        1. Biancazzurri
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 4 months ago

          Last season, we only accommodated the expensive defender bighitters (Toby, Bellerin, VVD) when there was balance in our midfield, thanks to Mahrez and Alli.

          I'm sure it'll be similar several GWs into the season, but... just not now. Spreeing up on defence and hoping Townsend, Lamela and Redmond will do the trick, is just as slippery.

  3. Cheeseoid
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    I think most would agree premium defenders is the better option taken in isolation. The main advantage of a cheap defence is the possibilities the extra cash allows elsewhere.

    1. Tommy Tynans Left Shin Pad
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      There is, however, a premium defender without a premium price tag, playing in a potential premier league winning side. That's as much as I'm doing

      1. Cheeseoid
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Yes. They are the best ones. Bellerin a couple of seasons ago was golden

      2. tm245
        • 14 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Stones is definitely one that could be the exception you are talking about.

  4. Football creep
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Mignolet jakupovic
    Wimmer shaw stones Evans pieters
    Tadic fabregas deulofeu lamela townsand
    Aguero ibrahimovic Wilson
    Do I need any changes here?

    1. ST United
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Lol

  5. Tommy Tynans Left Shin Pad
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Brilliant read. Some good maths into there!!! The jist, to me, is the returns on buying a premium defender may not really be worth it in theong run, providing your rotation options do you justice.

    With the additional 2.5m spent elsewhere (budget vs prem defence), it would be interesting to do the math against those potential returns

  6. Hotdogs for Tea
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Been swapping back and fore between the 2 options on a daily basis, probably settle on two defenders from premium teams and DGea and let it run ...

  7. adstomko
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    This is the year, in my opinion, where there will be plenty of 1-0s, with the attacking teams like Liverpool winning occasionally 3-2.
    And I also think there are a few getting carried away with Aguero. Yes, he is world class, but he plays so many defensive teams from the start, I just can't see him scoring as many as he used to, likewise Ibrahimovic.

    1. DevCPP
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Bad or good, Aguero needs to be there. Highest goal per minute ratio is no joke. At some point he'll explode.

    2. Leeroy357
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Aguero consistently gets close to a goal a game average so it's hard to ignore him regardless of price tag. He's a safe bet for captaincy in most weeks

  8. SGTMacaroni
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    What a fascinating article, great to see thought backed up with numbers.

    You've convinced me to toy with the idea of 5x£4.5 or perhaps Stones + 4x£4.5s.

    The difficult part here is picking 4/5 defenders who are all £4.5 from teams we consider good enough to get that 40-50% clean sheet chance and also all rotate with one another. Time to check back on the rotation spreadsheets

  9. DevCPP
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Baines + Valencia + Aina is the trinity of defense. I hope they all start.

    1. Andy_Social
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Could be just Baines out of that lot.

  10. the cromulent one
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Great stuff TM245!
    The gist is that there is a sunk cost with a premium. With a good 5-man rotation, you can get the same possibility of clean sheets, but pay less, leaving funds to spend elsewhere.

    Another point to consider is that is is difficult to predict which premium defenders are the right ones. Chelsea was the defence of choice before gw1 last year, but never lived up to their price tag.

    I always maintain a spreadsheet to see how my defenders are doing. It shows their individual PPG as well as their PPG when I play them. Last year my cheap defence did horribly, I must say. That is just the downside of probability, though.

    This year, I'm leaning towards a structure with one ManU defender (5.5), 3x4.5, and one 4.0. The ManU defensive ownership is so high, that I want to hedge my bets a little. I don't like the 4.0, but I also don't like spending too much in defence.

    1. tm245
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Hard to argue with your logic, though I will be one of the 20% going without.

      Love that spreadsheet idea - it is good to keep track of the scores so we know what we are actually getting.

  11. Esraj
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Good article. One think you didn't consider is that rather than playing a single premium defender all season, you can transfer them for another premium defender whose team are racking up CS. Say, last season, for first 4 weeks you had Kompany, then you transfer him out for Kolarov up to wk 11, then get a stoke defender from wk 12-19 ( when they were on a CS streak), then catch Scott Dann's goals, then finish the season with either Toby or Bellerin. In this way you are getting 180-200 points from a premium defender slot.

    1. Are you Shaw?
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      if someone can analyze like that throughout the season, then that person should be winning the FPL till they pass away

      thing is nobody has that perfect eye for things, who knew Scott Dann or PVA would both get 3 goals in 4 matches, and to transfer them in at the right time taking into consideration needed in transfers in mid and upfront...

      doable, but again, requires insane analysis skills with a hint of luck

      1. Esraj
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        It was just an example from last season. I am not saying that you can predict the highest scoring defender throughout the season and transfer him in at the right time. The point is rather than having one single premium defender all through the season (which this article assumes), you can change the premium defender slot to maximize your return.

    2. tm245
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      I see what you are saying, and I think the six week time horizon is a good one to evaluate which defenders are looking promising for both fixtures and attacking returns. But yes, a 5 PPG score from that one premium spot is an awesome score.

  12. Are you Shaw?
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    needed transfers in*

    1. Are you Shaw?
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      was meant to be a reply to ESRAJ... lol how do i delete this

  13. Teror
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Had Gray in for weeks now but suddenly considering Rhodes or Negredo because apart from Swansea in week 1, Hull in week 4 and Watford in week 6, the rest of Burnley's fixtures for the first 10 game weeks look incredibly unfavourable.

    This considered: Gray owners, are you sticking with him? And if so, why?

    1. JayJay2k
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      I'm sticking with him.
      He's been in from the start and his preseason form on top of Championship form can't be ignored.

      I agree re fixtures, however, I can see him scoring agaisnt Liverpool, Chelsea and Leicester, even if Burnley do ultimately lose those games. If they were playing City or United then that could be different.

      If he scores against Swansea then I think I'll be keeping him in until after GW6 and reassess.

      That said, I also have Negredo too - either side of Aguero

    2. Leeroy357
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      I will keep him mostly for budget reasons and he has had an insane pre season. I am concerned that last season he only seemed to score against the worse sides (something like 17 out of 24 goals against bottom 10 teams) but I am only really expecting 10-12 goals this season from him and that is enough to justify the price tag.

      If Benteke moves I might try to find the cash but for now there isn't a better alternative in the price range. Middlesborough forwards are rotation risks. Having said that, either Carroll or Austin could tempt me if they have a starting spot nailed down after 6 weeks or so

  14. Meppelfield
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Nice article! Overall I think you have done a thorough job, but I think some details were left out that may change the numbers you have acquired.

    "B) 11.0 (6.5 + 4.5 bench fodder) vs 9.0 (4.5 + 4.5 in a rotation) if deciding on a second or third premium in isolation; or"

    How is this different from A)? In A) you pay 3m for the benched player (9.0m bench / 3 starters = 3m bench/starter), whereas here they cost 4.5 all of a sudden? I don't see how a bench can be worth 4.5*3 =13.5m when it's only 2 defenders.

    Additional advantages for a premium defender:
    *More clean sheets -> more bonus point opportunities -> more bonus points per game.

    *A premium defender typically plays for a top-side. If they fail to keep a clean sheet they concede goals in multiples of 2 more rarely than a side hosting 4.5 defenders do. Compare a mid/bottom team with a top team in how often they let in 2 goals, 4 goals, 6 goals, etc. Those -1 points per 2 goals matter.

    *A premium defender is involved in less defensive situations per game, -> less yellow cards received. (Although this is likely more dependent on player profile, it is still relatable to their price). This also slightly boosts bonus points per game, again.

    *Finally, a defender that yields offensive returns while also keeping a clean sheet is almost guaranteed bonus points. However, a defender who yields offensive returns without keeping a clean sheet is far from guaranteed bonus points. The more clean sheets a defender keeps, his potential bonus point yield from offensive returns will increase.

    Nitpicking, but nevertheless factors 🙂

    1. Esraj
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      exactly.

    2. tm245
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      All good points. A few quick responses:

      -- B is a scenario in which you are already going with at least one premium and you are wondering whether or not to spend on another premium or go with a cheap rotating defender. I'm wondering here if the true cost is a bit different here since you have already invested in that first premium.

      In essence, say you have 6.5 X X 4.5 4.5 as a given;
      What would be the cost of X? If you go premium and don't link it to a rotating defender, I'm looking at the cost as X+4.5.

      -- the other advantages of premiums make much sense, though one would hope you would be playing defenders from lesser teams when they have decent enough fixtures not to leak goals, but that might be more wish than reality.

      -- not sure about all of the BPS conclusions. Ashley Williams played for a lesser side and was a baps monster last season, for example, but the excellent poster Innsie in years past has posted his baseline BPS totals for defenders from time to time,a nice way to measure what we're talking about. I hope he does it again.

      1. Meppelfield
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        Thanks for the reply!
        But isn't each defender costing the same as far as bench-cost go, regardless of how many premiums you have?
        For a given position:
        Playerprice+(sum(bench)/number of players on the pitch)
        6.0 6.0 6.5 || 4.5 4.5 has the same money invested on the bench as 4.5 4.5 4.5 || 4.5 4.5

        I don't know what you consider premium, but I'm going for a sturdy defensive line this year. (4.5, 5.0, 5.5, 5,5, 6.0) initially. I will still mostly only play 3, meaning I am looking to bench something like 10m an average week.

        It would be interesting to see how it compares to your rotation-line of 4.5's. If you do carry it out, I'd be interested in following your points along the way!

  15. Cherry Bear
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    RMT x3: Hello have 3 teams of which I can't decide, B & C are the similar yet both have a interesting differences:

    A:

    Forster (Juk)

    Shaw Terry Morgan (B.Smith, Amat)

    Hazard Mane Lemela Kante (Fletcher)

    Ibra Aguero Ighalo

    B:

    Valdes (Juk)

    Morgan J.Evens Pieters (B.Smith, Amat)

    Hazard Mane Lamela Cazorla (Fletcher)

    Ibra Aguero Gray

    C:

    Forster (Juk)

    Morgan Stones Pieters (B.Smith, Amat)

    Hazard Mane Lamela Cazorla (Fletcher)

    Ibra Aguero Gray

    Get involved with your comments, Im very much appreciative of them!

    1. Leeroy357
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      B and C do not have interesting differences, they are 2 players away from being identical and C appears to cost 1m more than B unless i'm missing something

  16. JayJay2k
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    I am of the opinion that there is a wealth of midfield/forward budget options this year that enables you to afford a back line of premium defenders with the view of rotation based on 343 formation

    Good read though.

  17. a741
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Hey guys!

    How do you feel about the following squad

    De Gea / Nordfeldt (main GK injured)

    Bellerin/Stones/Morgan/Paredes/Wilson

    Mahrez/Ramirez/Kante/Xhaka/Fletcher

    Kane/Aguero/Ibrahimovic

    1. Leeroy357
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      3 premium strikers is too top heavy and you have picked 2 defensive mids in Kante and Xhaka. Drop a forward and invest in the midfield

    2. johnfahey
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      All good apart from the midfield which probaby won't have many points in it.

      1. Krionos
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        The problem with investing so heavily in a few players is if they have a bad gameweek, your team will suffer so badly you'll plummet on the rankings. I'm finding it difficult to see any of your players scoring big in the first gameweek, apart from Aguero and Mahrez

  18. tm245
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Cheers, all, for the replies. I did get a bit lost in the numbers as i started to formulate my thoughts, so I appreciate the feedback.

    This started as a response to the idea that a premium defender offered the same value as a midpriced midfielder or forward. I think comparing Toby to Deulofeu is a mistake even up, since the sunk cost of carrying a Defender you won't play needs to be factored in. That got this while train of thought going.

    A few takeaways for me:

    The benchmark of averaging 12 points per week from your three defenders seems like a good target. Over the course of six weeks that would be 72 points, or between 1.5 and 2 CS per week. The article questions whether you have to spend a premium to hit that target, and I'm not sure you do.

    Treating your defenders as a whole instead of as individuals is an important way to assess their value, imo. A spend of 25 vs a spend of 22.5 is substantial, especially at the start of the season.

    I agree with many of the above who said the key here is assessing what one does with the extra money. In the above scenario, the difference in 2.5m means Alexis over Eriksen, or Eriksen over Townsend, or Tadic over Routledge. I think this is a key takeaway for me but one that flies in the face of the mantra of balance, balance, balance that we often follow. For this Uber strategy to maybe pay off, I think you need to really go for it:
    -- the cheaper you go the more cash you can spend elsewhere, as above, in order to substantially increase the quality of your attack.
    -- a rotation of 4 or 5 allows for more access to good fixtures each week, and more chance to hit a cheap CS. Many would argue it allows for more chance of failure, but i like drinking from a glass half full.

    Regardless of the choice, cheers again for the feedback, it is already giving me more to think about.

  19. Meo
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Great analysis. The question is if you can invest the savings from defense upfront with better than 0.5PPG/m?

    1. tm245
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Very true -- would need to look at the RMT section or some other projections to see if that is the case.

      1. The Shaman
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 4 months ago

        I think that the real value is found by looking at the total PPG/M of the defender plus the attacking player of choice.

        And with regards a point in another post: the idea of rotating defenders involves an educated guess as to which ones are more likely to keep clean sheets. Budget defenders tend to play in teams that are more likely to struggle, which means that the defenders will have more work to do (more tackles/CBI) which increases the chance of them getting BPs.

        I know that this is not taking PPG/M precisely but as a quick check (using this seasons prices with last years scores - making the huge assumption that this seasons performances were going to be similar), the best defender (Bellerin) costing 6.5 scored 72 points more than the best 4.5 defender (Fernandez of Swansea). If you were to then to use the extra 2.0 to upgrade from Ayew to Mahrez you would gain 69 points (so overall would be 3 points worse off with that particular choice of upgrading your forward player). 45 points gained upgrading Noble (6.5) to Eriksen (8.5), making you 27 points worse off. Drinkwater (5.5) to Ayew (7.5) 42 points, making you 30points worse off. I know that these values are taking into account total points scored rather than PPG but I think that it illustrates the need to consider the points between the defender and attacking player combination as a whole.

        1. Igor! Pulis(w)ic!
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 4 months ago

          I think you raise a very good point. Many of the arguments for/against premium defenders apply equally to MIDs and (to a lesser extent, due to fewer slots in team) FWDs. 14 Midfielders hit the magic 152 figure last year, all of whom cost £7.5M or more (so an extra 1M over even the most premium of defenders). A similar number managed a better Points Per Match than Koscielny's 4.6 - and of those, Antonio is the cheapest at £7M.

          Naturally, people might feel that predicting Midfielder performance is tougher than Defenders, hence the reluctance to indulge in attacker rotation, but it seems most of the principles explored in this article apply across the whole team.

  20. bennosaurus
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    At this time of year it pays to be pragmatic. In retrospect there will be a whole lot of value in 4.5m defenders, but right now, I have no idea who will start for which team, and which team has a decent home defence.

    At the same time, I'll want some spare cash after a few weeks to jump on a bandwagon or upgrade a midfielder.

    So I'll be starting with a big hitter for the more reliable points but I like the idea and I think the model holds up as well as it probably could, given that football is basically a weighted random number generator...

    1. Bruisers FC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      This site helps in figuring out who will start. Template cheap defense.

  21. Leeroy357
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Courtois - Jakupovic
    Shaw - Pieters - Friend - Kaboul - Cathcart
    Hazard - Firmino- Ramsey - Zaha - Capoue
    Aguero - Kane - Gray

    Any thoughts?

  22. camarozz
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Who said Valencia won't start?

    1. Yank Revolution
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 4 months ago

      Just get Shaw or DDG and be done with the worry

  23. johnfahey
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Valdes (Jakupovic)
    Shaw Stones Baines (Amat, Paredes)
    Tadic Pogba Firmino Alli Feghouli
    Ibra Kun (Grabban)

    Ready to go?? Too many United players?? Weak bench??

  24. HST
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Are there any viable/starting strikers at 5.5 or less? Thanks.

  25. Gerbs
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Great read. Thanks for putting that together. Going into this season i think there is some value in 5.0 . Huth, Morgan, Williams, Stones, Van Aanholt, all could be very valuable. I'm going to pick 3 out of that lot and then fill it in with a 4.5 and Amat (4.0)

  26. Slam
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    My god, just what I needed.
    A HUGE thanks

  27. Lazarus Star
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Great analysis (and science?) and certainly where my head is at each season.

    The only reason to spend over 4.5M on a defender is on BAPs or Attacking returns. Attacking Fullbacks and Tall CBs is the best way to go.

    Baines was an anomaly due to Pens, and Daniels too.

    Ivanovic at one point seemed to be the only Chelsea goalscorer.

    I had Belerin last season, but haven't even considered this season due to price.....but form will always influence.

    This seasons pickings is split into 15-16M on 3 key starters and 9-9.5M on bench material that may come on for favourable fixtures. Stones, Shaw & VVD being the 3 key (but looking to drop VVD down to a 4.5 to release funds in MID if I want Has or Sanchez)

  28. AverageJoe
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Not many teams with Alderweireld. Is he hurt?

  29. Z
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    Anybody considering Musa first gameweek as a differential?

  30. ⚽️ Barry Chocolate ⚽…
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 4 months ago

    This was confusing. It's relatively simple as to why folks prefer premier defenders - they're better players, more reliable and turn out for successful teams which should aid performance.