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We cast an eye over the members’ data now, assessing some of the top performers over Gameweek 4’s fixtures. Chelsea and Everton’s improving frontmen are assessed, as are West Ham and Man City’s standout weekend performers, whilst we also analyse a couple of new recruits at Goodison and the Bet365 ahead of some fine fixtures.

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  1. Oven Glover
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    The "want them all - can´t have them all dilemma". Ibra, Kun, Costa, Luk, Kane, Haz, Alexis, Liv mid and so on...

    My plan: Frontline transfer rotations

    = Transfer in the GWs hottest (C) pick (if not already owned).

    gw 5 Kane
    gw 6 Got Mane so save FT
    gw 7 Kane -> Ibra
    gw 8 Ibra -> Kun
    gw 9 Kun

    No need to be static right? Sure, might have to take a hit here or there but hopefully not too many. Pricechanges might be an issue though...

    Is this a good way to go about it? Rest of team ok. Just worried about not owning Kun some gws and Ibra others. Thoughts?

    1. GE
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      I like it, but I'm afraid you would lose a lot in your team value which can cause you don't afford your new captain in the long term.

      1. Oven Glover
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Yeah and there is always some other issue as well. Gonna be my main strategy for the coming weeks though.

    2. Costa's Counsellor
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Have you used your WC?

      I would try and pick the players you want to keep for the medium to long term. No doubt you'll have issues somewhere in your team and will have to use your FT there.

      1. Oven Glover
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        No WC. But I´m happy with my team now. It´s just that I can´t have Kun and Ibra at the same time.

    3. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      I don't like this idea of a plan at all. You will lose value, and you can't taking into account other injuries and loss in form.

      Pick a team for the medium/long-term, not short-term.

      1. Oven Glover
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        That's the clear downside but I think I'm gonna go ahead and do it (if something extraordinary doesn't happen). To gw 9-10 and then reevaluate.

        1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 10 months ago

          I can see hits galore.

          1. Oven Glover
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 10 months ago

            Not afraid of hits. Took a minus 20 this week... Worked out well.

  2. Mr. Meeseeks
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Do i need to upgrade my account so i can add a profile picture of myself?

    1. Costa's Counsellor
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      How do I get a picture next to my name when I post a comment?
      Head on over to http://www.gravatar.com and register for an account (make sure you register with the same email as the one you are registered with here). Choose an image, and this will be associated with all of your comments on site. Your gravatar image should appear next to your comments within roughly 24 hours.

      1. Mr. Meeseeks
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Thanks Diego! dieeego - dieeego!

  3. Jinswick
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Fixtures are plum bang on form and price is rising. Nothing really obvious about how I get there though. Any ideas?

    A) Santi & Defoe -> Snoddy & Lukaku (-4)
    B) Sanchez & Defoe -> Silva/Firm & Lukaku (-4)
    C) Something else
    D) Forget about Trolkaku

    Cech
    Baines, Valencia, Collins
    Sanchez, Haz, Antonio, Santi
    Ibra, Benteke, Defoe

    Pickford, Capoue, Kone, Amat
    Bank 0.0m, 1FT

    1. Cevap
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      hey Jinswick, probably would go with A even though I would want Sanchez...but you do have Santi.

      1. Cevap
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        sorry ,meant B

    2. Pompel
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Would do B) with Firmino

      1. Jinswick
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Looks decent long term eh, but losing Sanchez before Hull could be eeeeeek

        1. Christina.
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 10 months ago

          They kept ManU out. Sort of.

    3. Christina.
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      wc?

      1. Jinswick
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Very funny

        1. Christina.
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 10 months ago

          ?

          1. Jinswick
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 10 months ago

            The above is my WC team from last week 🙁

            1. Christina.
              • 16 Years
              9 years, 10 months ago

              Sorry I didn't know that. what's your id?

    4. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      B

  4. Ibralicious
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Best 4.6 and under defender form these?

    A) Holebas
    B) Pieters
    C) Collins

    Cheers!

    1. Oven Glover
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      A

    2. AA33
      9 years, 10 months ago

      A

    3. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      A

    4. Jersey
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      A.

      B & C are poor choices.

      1. Ibralicious
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Cheers

  5. Pompel
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Best captain punt this GW before wild carding:

    A) Özil -> (c)DB
    B) Vardy -> Na(c)ho
    C) Vardy -> (c)ane

    1. Oven Glover
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Thinking C myself

    2. Costa's Counsellor
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Kane

    3. mikess
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      C

    4. Cevap
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      C

    5. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Nacho

    6. Pompel
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Cheers guys - thought A would be more popular. Leaning towards B really

    7. Beavis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      B

    8. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      C

  6. Bruno Bruno!!
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    kdb or hazard for next few gw

  7. DARK SIDE OF THE LOON
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Captaining Baines this GW. Madness?

    1. Worzel Gummidge
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Yes

    2. AA33
      9 years, 10 months ago

      No but risky

    3. Test Eagles
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      You know the old Baines rule.

      Never captain, never bench

  8. Dušan Citizen
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Watched Karl Pilkington for the first time. Wow.

  9. Freshy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Dave to Walker
    or
    Barkley to Antonio

    1. Dušan Citizen
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      antonio

    2. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Walker

  10. Professor Red
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Does anybody here connect their iphone to their tv? Not apple tv but a normal hd one.

    1. Costa's Counsellor
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      I think you need Apple TV.

    2. DARK SIDE OF THE LOON
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Apple TV is not an actual TV. Its a devise which lets you connect your apple product with any HD TV over a wifi connection. I use that and thats the only thing that works with an iphone.

      1. djenzio
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        not true, I can connect my iPhone to my TV using an android box.

  11. Kaneyonero
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Gtg?
    Foster (Jaku)
    Baines PvA Walker (Amat Kingsley)
    Sanchez Ozil Hazard Firmino Redmond
    Benteke Lu(C)aku (Diomande)

    1. Funkyav
      • 17 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      You have Sanchez and Ozil and you are captaining Lukaku?

    2. AA33
      9 years, 10 months ago

      GTG

  12. FootballManiac
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    mane or firminho..? firminho leading the stats.......

    1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Firm

    2. Professor Red
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Firm and picket 0.5

  13. Del Monte
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Looking ahead....

    Ozil & Kane > Cazorla & Aguero

    Or

    Lanzini & Kane > 4.5 & Aguero (Play Capoue as 4th Mid)

    1. Funkyav
      • 17 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      B

  14. Pep Pig
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    GW GP PB GR TM TC OP OR £
    GW1 55 30 512,038 0 0 55 512,038 £100.00
    GW2 50 22 2,505,858 2 4 101 1,571,898 £100.30
    GW3 48 6 961,266 1 0 149 1,168,969 £100.80
    GW4 88 18 5,397 0 0 237 49,886 £100.80

    Hi all. It pains me to see the points on the bench in 3 of the 4 weeks played so far.
    I actually blame Capoue for this. Each week I have a quiet word with him and tell him he's benched and he can't believe what he is hearing.

    Not a fan of using chips until double GW's but the All Out Attack comes into play in this GW and Capoue has been given the green light.

    My other headache is allowing Lukaku to keep the armband or let him loan it to Ibra. Surely it owuld be criminal to strip him of the captaincy after his 11 minute heroics?

    Danny

    1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Save you AOA when Capoue has better fixtures or your defence is very weak.

      1. Pep Pig
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        I personally don't think a home tie against United gives Capoue any less chance of scoring if I'm honest. I think West Brom will concede to West Ham so it was a straight swap Capoue for McAuley.

        I may change my mind as yet but it is my initial gut feeling

  15. bojack
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Anyone wish to pass comment on this rubbish 😉

    253:

    Heaton
    Shaw, Walker
    Hazard, Pogba, Mirallas, Redmond, Capoue
    Ibra (c), Costa (vc), Benteke

    Subs: Foster, McAuley, Friend, Amat

    0 FT, 2.5 itb, WC used GW2

    Take a hit or hold?

    1. Worzel Gummidge
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Wouldn't use AoA to play Capoue tbh.

    2. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Dat midfield...

      1. bojack
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        I know.

        With that said, I'm on a good points total and position (223pts, 173k).

    3. Beavis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Save AOA play McAuley.

    4. clownbot2000
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Pogba no good

    5. djenzio
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      people will tell you not to play AoA and bench Capoue but if you believe he will score again then go for it.

      Surely WBA won't keep a CS at West Ham and every week people say Capoue won't keep scoring and yet he keeps scoring.

  16. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Anyone captaining any Arsenal attack?
    Hull to park their bus at Arsenal?
    Utd found it difficult to break through Hull and got a 1-0

    1. AA33
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Captaining an Arsenal player is a good shout- feel they will score 2-3 goals

      1. KLOPPS AND ROBBERS... the s…
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        possibly...

  17. Stats Don\'t Lie
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Pva > walker worth a ft?

    1. Beavis
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Probably but I'd rather save.

      1. Stats Don\'t Lie
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        I honestly see 4 spurs cs in next 5 and possibly some walker attacking input

        1. bojack
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 10 months ago

          I own Walker and I see him being left out v Sunderland.

    2. clownbot2000
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      I would, the next fixture could be brutal

    3. Jersey
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      no

      Spurs always rotate their fullbacks as soon as Champion's League starts, and it can be
      quite a nuisance. i want no part of that.

  18. Ibralicious
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    What is the general perspective on Lallana on here? Can he be seen as a viable 3rd midfielder option to allow funding of Sanchez/Hazard etc. ?

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Looks that way. Though he seems like Liverpools cazorla

      1. Ibralicious
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Ahh but certainly more attack minded?

        1. Jazz!
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 10 months ago

          A lot more, yes.

    2. Lecky Legs FC
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      He's abit risky at £7.1 but talking outside FPL has been immense for us on the pitch and usually has a blinder for (H) games at Anfield I'm thinking about bringing him in GW 6 with for Ozil (with returns to bring Aguero back)

      1. Ibralicious
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Cheers

    3. clownbot2000
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      wouldn't have him over Antonio at the mo

      1. Ibralicious
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Thinking about getting him alongside Antonio for my WC team

      2. djenzio
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        you don't want 2 in form players who are cheap, nailed on and have a decent run of fixtures why?

    4. RustyBz
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Not the ideal pick certainly seems viable if allows you to get your targets elsewhere.

    5. Jersey
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      yes, he can. he is playing very well.

      he comes with a bit of rotation risk, however.

  19. twisterteo
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Hazard Mane Ozil Antonio

    Ibra Lukaku Benteke

    would you change anyone of these 8 for next GW? I need to start thinking of a way to get Aguero back....

    Hazard to Alli?

  20. AdamJ91
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Hi guys, any advice on what to do with this team before I use my WC on Friday after the Chelsea - Liverpool game. Midfield would look the obvious choice I presume but then the defence doesn't look great either.

    Current team:

    Courtois l Jakupovic
    Shaw l Stones l Pieters l Friend l Amat
    Hazard l Ozil l Redmond l Fer l Capoue
    Ibra l Costa l Negredo

    1 FT, 3.3 ITB.

    1. tets mcgee (Ha La Land)
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      just pick the 1 player u think will do best for this week only. i would go iheanacho but up to u

    2. Kimmich
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Kane/Nacho for a week.

      1. AdamJ91
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Didn't actually consider Kane, that could be a great shout.

        1. tets mcgee (Ha La Land)
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 10 months ago

          he still looks woeful for me but guess this might be week he gets confidence back

  21. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Well, looks like Cazorla is definitely rising before deadline.

    Come on Augero, please drop!

    1. Worzel Gummidge
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Dont get Cazorla. FKs, PKs, CKs and getting forward isn't enough for some it seems 🙂 As an Ozil owner I am considering dropping him for Caz.

      1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Crazy why people wouldn't look at Caz - like you said, he's on all set-pieces and is getting forward more.

      2. Jazz!
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        2 shots inside the box, both pens. 2 big chances, both pens. Heavily reliant on set pieces and he won't get a pen every 2GWs like he is at the current rate. Maybe a good option but I'd prefer to get proper advanced attackers personally.

        1. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 10 months ago

          I think Firmino will score points more than Ozil, I can't afford Sanchez and I'd rather have Cazorla than having no Arsenal attack.

          1. Jazz!
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 10 months ago

            Need to look at them as individual picks imo, not coverage from teams. Firmino and Antonio are better picks than Cazorla so I'd get them for example, no Arsenal attack doesn't mean anything.

            But he could be a good pick yes, just not for me.

    2. Lecky Legs FC
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      This ^ really want to akin to drop so I can squeeze him back in GW 6 alongside Lallana

    3. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Think I am going to have to do Foster to Heaton, or maybe Friend to a 4.4.

      Unless Antonio rises and then I am really screwed.

      1. Jersey
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Antonio is going to rise before Friday at the rate he is rising.

  22. twisterteo
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Ozil, Lukaku --> Cazorla, Kane for a hit ?

    too mad?

    1. clownbot2000
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      a bit - not planning on dropping Lukaku right after scoring a hatrick

      1. twisterteo
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        I really want Kane for this GW... maybe drop Ibra to Kane?

    2. bigbudgie
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      definitely.
      Ozil > Caz is totally sideways.
      Often in the prem teams bounce back from bad defeats. So Sunderland might do much better than expected. Then again, they might not.

      1. twisterteo
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        thanks Big.

        Don't you think no Spurs coverage is risky for this GW?

        what about Ibra to Kane or Hazard to Alli?

        1. bigbudgie
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 10 months ago

          Ibra and Hazard are not the weakest links in your team are they? They are two of most peoples bankers. So why get rid? What's the weakest link in your team?

          1. twisterteo
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 10 months ago

            Hazard Mane Ozil Antonio Capoue

            Ibra Lukaku Benteke

            that's the front 8... I really think Spurs will do well next 2 GW but not sure who to drop..

            1. bigbudgie
              • 12 Years
              9 years, 10 months ago

              That's good, no need to worry about Spurs because...you can't have em all.

              1. twisterteo
                • 12 Years
                9 years, 10 months ago

                Right... last question... whats the best way to get Aguero back in??

    3. Jersey
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      yes, too mad.

    4. tets mcgee (Ha La Land)
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      2 downgrades for a hit...

  23. Atimis
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Guys,

    When Kun is back:

    A)
    Santi l Antonio l Firmino l Capoue/Sond
    Ibra l Kun l Lukaku
    B)
    Firmino l Antonio l Lamela l Sanchez
    Kun l Lukaku l Benteke

    Cheers !

    1. bigbudgie
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      A

    2. Atimis
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      or in A) instead of Snod and Santi some other 2 for 14 mil

    3. Pierce34
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      How can you afford A? What's your defence?

      1. Atimis
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Foster + Valencia/Walker/McAuley

        1. Pierce34
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 10 months ago

          Actually yeah, now that I see there's no Sanchez/Hazard it's not unrealistic.

    4. Mr. Meeseeks
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      No Chelsea coverage? hmm....

      1. Atimis
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Wanna sell Hazard to get A or Sanchez in B. I'm not a fan of Chelsea fixtures.

  24. bigbudgie
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Members article made me so mad about going without Aguero.

    So I put together a possible upside down WC team after this GW to get him in

    Kun Ibra 6.5
    Haz Firmino Antonio Bolaise Capoue
    Valencia Shaw Williams Swansea 4.1 4.0
    Foster / Pickford

    Have a feeling you'll say defence is too weak. I guess Bolaise could be Snoddy to upgrade a 4.0 to a 4.5 in defence. Or Downgrade Shaw to 4.5 for an extra mil somewhere else...

    1. Jersey
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      yes, defense. you don't want to go with 2 4's.

      Bolasie to Snodgrass and upgrade one of them.

  25. Oven Glover
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Was looking at Spurs vs Sunderland stats to back up the case for (K)ane. Thing that stood out was Eriksens record against Sunderland. Last 5 games = 5 goals and 2 assists for him.

    1. bigbudgie
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Feels like this a really bad week to not have any Spurs. But this season how on earth do you cover it all!

      1. Oven Glover
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 10 months ago

        Really enjoying it though! Tempted to go Özil -> Eriksen instead of Vardy -> Kane.

        1. bigbudgie
          • 12 Years
          9 years, 10 months ago

          a long term one or a you wildcarding in 6?

          1. Oven Glover
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 10 months ago

            No WC left. Want Ibra for gw 7 and Kun for 8 and going forward but can't have them both. I have what you might call an flexible approach. Simple thing to do is Kane this gw and then take it from there. No need to fiddle with my mids I guess.

  26. Bullet Eder
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    What do I do this weekend? Evans (WHU) has the best fixture, but I also have Antonio.

    Shall I be brave and choose one of Amat (sou) or Kone (tot) ahead of Evans as I don't have any attackers from Southampton or Spurs.

    1. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Just play Evans and Antonio

    2. Lecky Legs FC
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Choose Amat but be the GW where he actually could get a cleanie away.

  27. Zizou
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    is mane worth the extra 0.5m over firmino

    1. bigbudgie
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      0.5 is so little difference I think you go with your gut and make the changes elsewhere. It's a small compromise on a defender if you really want 0.5 more for Mane.

      Firmino for me tho

  28. Ibralicious
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    If I have .1 extra for my WC team, is it worth doing Shaw-> Valencia given that both are fit and set to start the next fixture?

    1. Worzel Gummidge
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Yes.

  29. Lecky Legs FC
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Really tempted to ring Eriksen for Ozil but it means I'd have to take a -4 hit in GW 6 to get Kun back good or bad idea?

  30. PassMeTheSwedge
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 10 months ago

    Foster Heaton
    Walker Baines Valencia Evans Amat
    Hazard Firmino Antonio Cazorla Snodgrass
    Aguero Lukaka Diomande
    0.7ITB

    How does that look? I'm just playing around with a WC after this gameweek.

    1. PassMeTheSwedge
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      Or I could upgrade Lukaka to Ibra and downgrade two defenders

    2. bigbudgie
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 10 months ago

      is that a 3-5-2 or a 3-4-3 or a 4-4-2....

      3 x 5.5 in def and Antonio and Caz are where you can do some trimming. Snoddy too good for a 5th mid