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6 August 2017 2200 comments
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Liverpool win again as Jurgen Klopp throws Fantasy managers a curveball or two, while Southampton bounce back from a chastening midweek loss in fine style.

Swansea City also save their summer best until last, and Stoke City come from behind to win in Germany, but crowd trouble ends Burnley’s pre-season prematurely.

Here’s the first set of notes from the final pre-season Saturday.

Liverpool 3 Athletic Club 1

Liverpool’s impressive summer ended with another win on the pitch which created all manner of Fantasy confusion off it.

Goals from Roberto Firmino, Ben Woodburn and Dominic Solanke sealed the victory, with the latter pair also providing assists.

But the nature of the first strike was where all the Fantasy trouble began.

Firmino was felled in the area, picked himself up and slotted home the penalty. He’d done the same in the previous match against Atletico Madrid, which raised few eyebrows because regular penalty taker James Milner wasn’t on the pitch.

But Milner was most definitely playing when the Brazilian opened the scoring against Bilbao.

The possibility that Milner may have relinquished spot-kick duites has almighty Fantasy repercussions.

Firmino, available for 8.5 in Fantasy Premier League and a rather more chunky 11.6m in the Sky game, has been a popular pick for first-day sides.

His pre-season had been a low-key affair involving no goals and three assists before he opened his scoring account from the spot in Wednesday’s Atletico match.

Should he become Liverpool’s first-choice penalty taker, his stock will surely rise further from an already solid base of 16.9% FPL ownership.

Milner scored seven penalties out of seven last season, and his reclassifiction from a midfielder for this campaign had him among the early front runners for most-owned FPL defender, despite a hefty 6.5 (9m in Sky) price tag.

But the surprising revival of Alberto Moreno’s Anfield career – he has started and shone in the least two matches – and the arrival of Andrew Robertson from Hull City has created major competition for the left-back slot.

Losing penalty duties would be a disastrous blow to Milner’s Fantasy appeal, as reflected in his now shrug-inducing 5.3% FPL ownership.

And yet Milner started in midfield yesterday, with Jurgen Klopp having this to say post-match:

“Alberto Moreno is 100 percent back, which is very nice after a really difficult year. Andrew Robertson shows all the skills he has, of course he still has to adapt to our way of playing but you can already see what a threat he can be offensively. That means Milly is free for midfield, so without being in the transfer market we have a new midfield player, which is nice.”

Nice indeed. Should FPL defender Milner end up playing out of position this season, it would be a supreme irony given his stellar performances from left-back last year didn’t yield the FPL points they probably deserved because of his previous midfield classification.

But competition for Liverpool midfield places is, of course, very fierce.

Milner will presumably vie for one of the roles in Klopp’s central three playing behind the trio of attackers. He will therefore battle with Emre Can, Jordan Henderson, Philippe Coutinho, Adam Lallana and Georginio Wijnaldum for a starting role.

Lallana’s injury and the absence of Henderson and Coutinho – through illness and a back problem respectively – cleared the decks for Milner, but it remains to be seen if he can cement a start once competition ramps up, or if Klopp simply reverts his vice captain to left-back to protect his start.

But being taken off penalties – if that’s truly the case – remains a major loss for Milner, not entirely offset by out-of-position promise.

However, Milner himself was quizzed on the spot-kick scenario post-match and when asked if the switch of duties to Firmino had been pre-arranged, he came back with this….

“Not really. He won it and had scored a couple in midweek. I asked him if he was feeling confident and he said yes. We all practise them and I am very confident when he steps up. As long as the ball ends up in the back of the net, that’s the most important thing.”

That would indicate that there has been no “official” re-allocation of Liverpool’s penalties and Milner may well continue to have a say – a thickening plot that leaves us guessing heading into the Gameweek 1 trip to Watford.

Klopp fielded an almost entirely different team for the second-half on Saturday and, as well as Coutinho and Henderson, he was without Daniel Sturridge with a muscle problem picked up against Atletico.

Elsewhere, while Liverpool’s left-back role looks up for grabs for the opening day trip to Watford, Trent Alexander-Arnold, a 4.5 FPL bargain (6.8m in Sky), started on the right against Bilbao and looks the prime candidate to do so again at Vicarage Road. Nathaniel Clyne is almost certain to miss out with a muscle problem.

Liverpool XI: Mignolet; Alexander-Arnold (Flanagan 46), Matip (Gomez 46), Lovren (Klavan 46), Moreno (Robertson 46); Can (Wijnaldum 46), Milner (Ejaria 46), Grujic (Woodburn 46); Salah (Mane 46), Firmino (Kent 46), Origi (Solanke 46).

Southampton 2 Sevilla 0

From the ridiculous to the sublime…after crashing and burning in a 4-0 home loss to FC Augsburg on Wednesday, Southampton bounced back to humble rather more prestigious opponents yesterday.

The Augsburg debacle had some Fantasy managers running for the hills and dumping their Saints assets, although the double-figure FPL ownership on Cedric held relatively firm as their man had taken no part in the beating.

The Portuguese right-back finally returned for the Sevilla match, part of a strong line-up selected by Mauricio Pellegrino that also included Ryan Bertrand, James Ward-Prowse, Dušan Tadić, Nathan Redmond and Manolo Gabbiadini – all of them serious contenders to be in opening-day Fantasy squads in view of Southampton’s fantastic early schedule.

And by ‘early’, that actually means only Manchester United and Liverpool are truly taxing fixtures in the first 12 Gameweeks.

Confidence in both the squad and Fantasy managers’ minds will have been restored by the Sevilla win, with goals coming from defender Jack Stephens and Manolo Gabbiadini.

The much-maligned Italian striker, last season’s run-in troll, played as a lone striker in Pellegrino’s preferred 4-2-3-1 formation and also set up the opener when he flicked on a Ward-Prowse corner. Steven Davis provided the other assist.

Gabbiadini started ahead of Charlie Austin for the first time in pre-season and, at 7.0 in FPL (10.3m in Sky), could be a major mid-priced asset if he can take advantage of those inviting early fixtures.

In fact, the same could be said for the majority of the Saints line-up, with defenders Stephens, Cedric and Maya Yoshida all available for 5.0 in FPL and the set-piece taking midfielder Ward-Prowse costing just 5.5.

Southampton have lacked consistency over the summer – perhaps not surprising as Pellegrino is new to both the job and the country – but their final flourish of pre-season puts their players right back in the Fantasy mix ahead of next Saturday’s visit by Swansea City.

Southampton XI: Forster; Cedric (Flannigan 63), Yoshida (Bednarek 63), Stephens, Bertrand (McQueen 83); Davis, Romeu; Ward-Prowse (Long 73), Tadic, Redmond (Boufal 67); Gabbiadini (Gallagher 83).

Swansea City 4 Sampdoria 0

Southampton’s opening-day opponents signed off for the summer with an impressive mauling of their Serie A visitors.

Leroy Fer opened the scoring when he headed home from a Tom Carroll corner, before an own goal and strikes from Tammy Abraham and Federico Fernandez completed the rout.

Abraham’s goal marked a fine home debut for the Chelsea loanee and would have delighted the 3.6% of FPL managers who are looking to him to be their budget third striker for the early season. Even his withdrawal with a knock won’t have dampened that enthusiasm as his substitution was precautionary.

But it was Carroll who shone the brightest as he set up no less than three of the Swans’ goals.

The former Spurs man is this season’s potential bargain midfield gem, available for just 4.5 in FPL and 7.1m in Sky.

He looks a nailed-on starter in a midfield in which he is exerting a major influence. Add in his dead-ball duties, and there’s a lot to love.

Swansea’s first 10 matches are also generally favourable, with trips to Spurs and Arsenal and a visit from Man United the only major obstacles.

They have been quietly going about their business since an early pre-season loss to Barnet. However, the only two players who have attracted major attention have been Gylfi Sigurdsson (8.4%) – because of who he is and where he’s likely to end up – and Angel Rangel (21.3%) because he’s just so damned cheap at 4.0 (5.8m in Sky).

Abraham and Carroll, however, might change all that by the time they line up at Southampton next weekend.

On Abraham’s knock – manager Paul Clement brought us this post-match….

“Tammy coming off was more a precaution than anything. He felt a bit tight in the groin so rather than risk it, he said he wanted to come off.”

The Swans boss also indicated the striker Fernando Llorente – while ruled out of the Southampton clash – could return for the first home match of the season against Manchester United.

“We want Fernando back as quickly as possible – I am looking forward to having options with Fernando, Tammy, Jordan Ayew and also Oli McBurnie. Luciano Narsingh also came on and did well today. That’s what I want. I would like to have Fernando back for Manchester United, but he will be touch and go.”

Swansea City XI: Fabianski; Naughton (Rangel 88), Fernandez, Mawson, Olsson (Kingsley 77); Britton (Mesa 58), Fer (Fulton 88), Carroll, Routledge; Ayew (McBurnie 85), Abraham (Narsingh 74).

RB Leipzig 1 Stoke City 2

Xherdan Shaqiri was at the heart of Stoke City’s come-from-behind victory at Champions League-bound Leipzig.

The Swiss international’s deliveries set up both Stoke goals – a Mame Diouf header and an own goal.

Mark Hughes again rolled out a 3-4-2-1 formation, with Saido Berahino leading the line and Bojan and Shaqiri working as an attacking pair behind him.

That midfield pair could yet tempt some mid-price interest should they cement starting roles in that set-up. Bojan did depart with an injury, however.

Meanwhile, Diouf was once more employed as a wing-back, at the expense of Glen Johnson, which completely crushes the striker’s already negligible Fantasy appeal while also denting Johnson’s prospects.

However, Geoff Cameron’s potential as a 4.5 defender is alive and well. He started as part of the back three, with fellow defender Erik Pieters (5.0) deployed at left wing-back.

Despite Cameron’s availability in this price bracket, and the promise shown by Bojan and Shaqiri, Stoke’s horrendous early schedule of Everton, Arsenal, Man United and Chelsea in the first six Gameweeks, kills off any initial interest.

Elsewhere, in-form striker Joselu, who had scored four goals in the previous two matches, was an unused sub amid speculation that Newcastle United are showing firm interest in him.

Stoke City XI: Butland; Zouma, Shawcross, Cameron; Diouf (Johnson, 80), Allen, Fletcher, Pieters; Bojan (Ramadan, 63), Shaqiri (Adam, 80); Berahino (Crouch, 73).

Burnley 1 Hannover 96 0 (Match abandoned at half-time)

Crowd trouble in the away fans’ section led to the abandonment of Burnley’s final pre-season match of the summer with the Clarets leading 1-0.

Popular defender Ben Mee – owned by 12.1% of FPL managers – had opened the scoring from a Robbie Brady assist before the match was called off at the interval on the advice of the police.

Brady – a 5.5 midfield option – has now scored three goals and provided a pair of assists over the summer. He appears to have cemented a starting role in time for the season opener with Chelsea.

Elsewhere, Scott Arfield made his first start of pre-season following his Gold Cup duties with Canada, while Ashley Westwood also played from the off in a four-man midfield after recovering from a knock.

Boss Sean Dyche opted to field Andre Gray and Jonathan Walters up front, ahead of striking rivals Sam Vokes and Ashley Barnes, and James Tarkowski’s start alongside Mee at the heart of the defence would suggest that is the Burnley manager’s preferred centre-back combination.

Burnley XI: Heaton; Lowton, Mee, Tarkowski, Ward; Cork, Westwood, Brady, Arfield; Gray, Walters.

Be sure to check out all the summer action in our Pre-Season Guide.

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  1. CloudSky
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Morning.

  2. Midlands Saint73
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Surely Charlie? 😉

    1. Mikeharbrw
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Dean Austin bandwagon

  3. Chandler Bing
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Anyone going with absolutely no premium (Top 4) defenders?

    1. MJM
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      If Trippier is injured, then yes

      1. Chandler Bing
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        Who are your defenders in that case?

        1. MJM
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 4 hours ago

          Cedric, Daniels, Mee, Dummett and Probably PVA as Trippier's replacement

          1. Boydinho
            • 11 Years
            9 years, 4 hours ago

            So your most expensive defender isn't nailed on

  4. InvertedWinger
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Kane, Alli or both?

    1. Smoky Johnson
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Currently on Mané before Alli. So only Kane.

    2. Chandler Bing
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Only Kane right now

    3. CloudSky
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Only Kane for me for now.

    4. InvertedWinger
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Alli has never left a single of my drafts. Interesting, this

    5. CostaCoffee
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Eriksen

    6. DantheManinaPan
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Right now, only Alli - I'll likely be too scared to go without Kane

  5. ACM
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    If Sanchez stays... if he goes, there's room to add Lukaku. And Hernandez can become Gabbie/Austin/Rooney etc.

    Hart

    Luiz Trippier Ake Cedric

    Sanchez Hazard De Bruyne Eriksen Pogba

    Hernandez

    1. CloudSky
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Thats a hard no from me. You do know that Haz is injured right?

    2. Top 210 Club
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Is this a joke?

    3. bojack
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      That might be the worst team I've seen.

    4. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Try again

    5. @persecuted_by_mods
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Not template so wont be liked, Hazard is injured so you can replace with Mane or Alli? Nice to see someone try something a little different, could easily work

      1. ACM
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        Wow. I'm aware Sanchez/Hazard situation. They're in to make sure I have the cash for them. Easily changed to cheaper players for first few GWs.

        If Sanchez stays in PL, you seriously telling me that midfield doesn't believe boss once Hazard is back?

    6. CostaCoffee
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Not that bad, just people don't like it because it doesn't look like theirs, although Hazard and Trippier are injured (also don't like Hart pick )

    7. Differential C (Mark)
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Can't Support this. If Hazard plays in Comm shield then....

  6. In Carrick we trust
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Rmt please

    Foster

    Kompany, daniels, bertrand

    De bruyne, willian, salah, jwp

    Kane, lukaku, Gabbiadini

    Bench. Elliot, long, Hünemeier, carroll

    1. Top 210 Club
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      7.5

      1. In Carrick we trust
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        What wud u change

  7. A.T
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Thanks David, nice roundup

  8. anderson-son-son
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Please help, I'm struggling to commit either way. At the moment I don't have any Spurs coverage, but was going to remedy that one GWK3 with either my wildcard to get Kane, or Mane>Eriksen as a transfer. However, I could work Spurs coverage in if I go with B of the following:

    A)
    DDG/Elliott
    Kola/Cedric/Dawson/Mee/Naughton
    KDB/Mane/Zaha/Ritchie/Redmond
    Luk/Jesus/4.5
    3-5-2

    B)
    Foster/Elliott
    Kola/Cedric/Hegazi/Mee/Naughton
    KDB/Eriksen/Redmond/Ritchie/TC
    Lukaku/Jesus/Firmino
    3-4-3

    So, A or B? I think A is a better all round team personally, but no Spurs could cost me from the off....

    Thanks a lot!

    1. Egg noodle
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      B much better I think.

      1. anderson-son-son
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        Cheers, I think I'm going to go with B actually but with Long instead of Naughton, then get Phil Jones instead of Dawson to maintain United defensive coverage. I'm fairly happy to take a punt on Jonesy given he's banned for our Super cup game. Although I'll probaly change my team another 50 times this week......

  9. anderson-son-son
    • 16 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Gabbiadini started ahead of Dean Austin for the first time in pre-season.
    Dean Austin is 47 now, and was a defender, I would hope he's behind Gabbi in the pecking order...

    1. KAPTAIN KANE SERVES THE PAI…
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Dean Austin lok

      1. KAPTAIN KANE SERVES THE PAI…
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        *lol even! Oh dear

    2. bojack
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      That amused me.

  10. KAPTAIN KANE SERVES THE PAI…
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    That feeling from within when you don't even feel tempted to tinker anymore because you're as content with team as can be.

  11. All Saints Day
    J0E
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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    • 17 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Fantasy Football Scout daily hot topic

    All Saints Day

    Saturday sorted out a few issues for those shopping for Southampton assets ahead of their very kind early run of games (SWA, WHU, hud, WAT,cry).

    It looks like Charlie Austin is set to play second fiddle to Gabbiadini – who scored and assisted.

    Jack Stephens not only looks a secure option but scored as well. Southampton fans tell me his passing play and forward runs are now integral to how the team plays. He looks potentially a secure and better option than Cedric – who once again did little – as he has for his entire career on the south coast – despite those strong underlying stats.

    Ward Prowse too is looking secure in a set up that is considered to be near to how Pellegrini will set his side up in Gameweek 1.

    Which saints are you targeting and why?

    1. anderson-son-son
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Can't afford to risk Gabbi or Austin when there are better options in midfield for a similar price. And I'll still be going Cedric over Stephens because I prefer full backs where I can.

    2. Egg noodle
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Bertrand will be the top scoring defender. Just get him and live carefree.

    3. Ohhh Shola Ameobi
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Bertrand has been in my team since pretty much the get go - I'm now wondering whether I should downgrade to Stephens, as that 0.5 could be very useful elsewhere.

      Think I'll be staying away from their attack, I don't think it's ever had a happy ending for me, and I'm not prepared to risk it with the wealth of other options.

    4. J0E
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 17 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Jack 'Rio Ferdinand in his prime' Stephens.....Guardiola will be looking at him if he carries on doing this

      https://twitter.com/FFScout_Jonty/status/893931483907465216

    5. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Cedric. Top for successful crosses by a defender last season despite playing fewer games than most.

      Do Southampton have any more preseason games before GW1, Jonty?

      1. Egg noodle
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        Nope,all done

      2. J0E
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 17 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        That was it - so the assumption is that baring any fitness issues that'll be the GWk 1 side.

        I'm monitoring cedric- my issue with him is that he has had impressive underlying stats since he joined - yet never delivered. I wonder whether like say Navas and all those incredible crossing stats that his attacking threat will come to nothing while the likes of Stephens or Yoshida mop up bonus and offer more threat.

        In addition Bertrand actually delivers on his underlying stats - he costs more but if I was basing my sou def decision on strong attacking underlying stats I'd go for Bertrand.

        I'm minded to take a punt on Stephens - could be a star of the season, rather than a potential star that never shines.

        1. J0E
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 17 Years
          9 years, 4 hours ago

          I will caveat that with that I have a very open mind about Sou and if Cedric delivers then I'll be very keen to have him.

          Having an open mind will be key for me this season - which is bad news for you in terms of wanting a strong opinion on the scoutcast each week. Fence sitting imminent 😉

          1. FPL Virgin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 4 hours ago

            Fair point.

            It would be really helpful, Jonty, if the FFS preseason guide told you how many starts a player has had in the preseason games.

            I'm personally not sure who is nailed in the Southampton defence.

            1. J0E
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 17 Years
              9 years, 4 hours ago

              that wouldn't tell you much re saints as Cedric has been away.

              If VVD stays the Southampton fans consensus is that the back 4 will be Bertrand Stephens VVD Cedric...with Yoshida the more likely to miss out.

              But as it seems v v likely VVD will be moving on considering he doesn't want to play and is training alone the it is set to be

              Bertie Stephens Yoshida Cedric

              Follow Lucy on twitter - she retweets lots of good stuff from Southampton itk and local journalists.

              1. FPL Virgin
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 10 Years
                9 years, 3 hours ago

                Nice tip. Thanks Jonty! 🙂

              2. Still Unsure
                9 years, 3 hours ago

                What's Lucy's handle?

          2. FPL Virgin
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 10 Years
            9 years, 4 hours ago

            P.S. Get me on the scoutcast. I don't mind giving people the straight yes or no answer they crave.

            I like to call it the straight talking express.

            1. J0E
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • Has Moderation Rights
              • 17 Years
              9 years, 4 hours ago

              Say that in the voice of Alan Partridge back to yourself 😉

              #accidentalpartridge

              1. FPL Virgin
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 10 Years
                9 years, 3 hours ago

                I was actually going for John McCain there 😉

              2. asquishypotato
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 13 Years
                9 years, 3 hours ago

                Greater good Jonty, don't let it happen!

                1. FPL Virgin
                  • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                  • 10 Years
                  9 years, 3 hours ago

                  The viewing figures would rocket.

                  1. tets mcgee (Ha La Land)
                    • 11 Years
                    9 years, 2 hours ago

                    i for one would like to see what u look like 🙂

    6. 32chickens
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      I think SOT might be in for a fall and be turned over by SWA

      1. bojack
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        I've thought this all summer. Fixtures generally are so good though. 3 in 4 at home.

        1. 32chickens
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 4 hours ago

          SWA turnover
          WH will be happy to play away but have enough of their own difficulties

    7. bojack
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Certainly a defender. Bertrand served me well in 15/16 (I think) so it might be him but equally it might be Stephens.

      Gabbi is tempting at 7.0 as I think that's going to be an important price point in the third striker area with Ihenacho and Chicarito that price as well.

    8. :
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Triple defence! Manager loves a cleanie and if their first 11 fixtures were repeated season long they'd all be Alonso's!

      1. bojack
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        That has big potential to backfire.

        1. :
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 4 hours ago

          Jubilation when it works though!

          I like stacking. If you can pick the team who keep the most cleanses (and Southampton have a serious chance at the start of the season) what's the point in diluting those returns elsewhere?

      2. Egg noodle
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        That's maybe 20 points per clean sheet, and maybe around 5 points per non cleansheet. If they get 4 clean sheets and 1 goal in the first 12, then you have finished with 128 points from 15.5m worth of players in 12 weeks. In SGP terms, that would be a value of 4.2 or something.

        1. :
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 4 hours ago

          They'll get more. They'll all be 6ppg players by Bonfire night! 😉

      3. Miami Monkey
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        Not a horrible idea to be honest. You can get 3x5.0 of them, and then only spend 4.0 on 2 benchers. If you really want to stretch your budget for attack that isn't a bad way to do it. Don't think any other team with 5m defenders is as good defensively, and they have the best fixtures I've ever seen

    9. b✪mber
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Seriously considering Tadic and Bertie, JWP a maybe.

      1. b✪mber
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        (not considering a triple up)

    10. bru10
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      what do you think guys?

      foster/elliot

      dann/trippier/cedric/naughton/mee

      KdB/eriksen/ritchie/ramsey/carroll

      kane/lukaku/jrod

      mane for eriksen?
      willian for ramsey?
      kompany and milivojevic for cedric and ritchie?

      1. Flynny
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        I'm away for first few weeks so looking for players I know will play.

        That kinda rules out Cedric who only played 1 pre season...

        Bertie or Stephen's for me...

      2. Birds of Prey
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 2 hours ago

        Mee rotates better with Hegazi than SWA, though I doubt he makes the 8 GWs this works well for.

    11. Differential C (Mark)
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      am on Cedric. Apparently, pellegrino really relies on full backs at Alaves, so im hoping he can a similar thing in the South Coast.

      1. Boydinho
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        This, and that's why i am interested in Femenia @ Watford, looked really good in Alaves with Pellegrino last year.

    12. Emiliano Sala
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Between cedric and yoshida
      Dunno whether cedric will play or not

    13. Miami Monkey
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      I'm probably going to get Cedric and Stephens, unless I end up with extra budget.

      I also will get Gabbiadini, unless I decide to Firmino

    14. A.T
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      I like the two centre halves but I wonder if a replacement is expected before the end of the window. For that reason I might go with Cedric instead.

    15. stachman
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Just read that Saints agreed terms with Juve over Mario Lemina... Not sure what does it mean in terms of picking order... I'm currently on Yosh and JWP...

      1. A.T
        • 16 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        Isn't he a mid?

        1. stachman
          • 13 Years
          9 years, 4 hours ago

          Yes. Wiki says its central/defensive midfielder

      2. J0E
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
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        • 17 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        Likely to be in central mid alongside Romeu...which puts Davis' place under threat.

    16. Ludo
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      I agree on the centre backs potentially being better options than Cedric. The issue is we don't know where VVD will end up, and if they'll sign another centre back. We also can't know if Pellegrino prefers Stephens or Yoshida - fan opinions are hardly reliable predictors of what managers will do. Because of that, I'd rather gamble on Cedric's output improving than on one of those two nailing down a spot.

      Gabbiadini is very much in my thoughts. It's not often you get a forward who takes direct free kicks, which is nice, and the fixtures are lovely. He seems the stand-out forward below 8.0 to me, and although Southampton only scored 41 goals last season, their starting central striker (Gabbiadini, Austin, Long or Rodriguez) scored 15 in 38 games. Shane Long was particularly wasteful, and the other three produced 13 goals in 31 matches, which is a decent return. If someone nails down that spot, I think they're an option, and the Italian looks by far the most suited to Pellegrino's style.

      The midfielders haven't shown any pre-season form, with the exception of JWP. He's a good option at the price, but if you want a player who is completely reliant on set pieces for fantasy points, I'm inclined to think you might as well save 1.0 and play Tom Carroll, who is at least guaranteed starts.

      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 3 hours ago

        This. All this.

      2. Ludo
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 1 hour ago

        Should have been 13 in 29 for Gabbiadini, Austin or Rodriguez as the main man - that's the same rate as 17 goals over 38 games

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 1 hour ago

          I can't find any evidence at all that Gabbiadini has any significant skills at dead ball striking, or indeed at the whole forward business! 😉

          http://members.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/my-stats-tables/view/7522/

          http://members.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/my-stats-tables/view/939/

          1. Ludo
            • 12 Years
            9 years, 57 mins ago

            I don't think he's a particularly great player, but that's not necessarily a barrier to being useful for fantasy purposes at 7.0 - the opportunity his situation presents is good enough for me at that price.

    17. Feyzi
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 3 hours ago

      With Trippier out now, I can confidently recruit Bertrand. I can't see Saints scoring too much so the the attack does not appeal to me. But Ward-Prowse seems an interesting one that is on my mind.

    18. Smurf
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 3 hours ago

      Does Stephen's style of play make him more likely to pick up bonus?

    19. Pep says
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 hours ago

      I've backed Cedric so much over the past 2 seasons and let me down everytime. Avoiding for now. I was always on Yoshi but Stephens could be the cooler choice.

      Between JWP and Fraser for the 5.5 spot although a change in the allocation of funds could mean I get both for the opening gameweeks and strengthen other ares.

      Gabbi is tempting, I never jumped on his train for the doubles last and was glad I didn't. But those fixtures make him hard to ignore after that pre Season match

      1. Geoff
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 12 months ago

        There's one clear winner there 😀

    20. Birds of Prey
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 2 hours ago

      Stephens was also a bonus machine last season 10 in 1500 mins 1 YC, and currently 0.4% ownershp.

    21. saata
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 2 hours ago

      All discussions around here are about the defenders and the forwards, but the value I think lies in the goalie position.
      The only Saint's player that has been in my team since the opening is Forster and don't see myself changing it.

      Saints are bound for some clean sheets with those fixtures and the sloppy oppositions they face will lead to a lot of saves.

      Also, undoubtedly Forster has always been a quality keeper. He's ranked 5th of total points last season just behind 3 keepers of the top 6 sides who come at 5.5 now and Heaton who has been a sensation. He has earned same amount of points as Cech and just 2 short of De Gea in a Mourinho side.

      Besides, I don't really trust the 4.5m GKs available. All of them either play for defensively unproven side or don't have the fixtures.

    22. Awesom-o
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 2 hours ago

      With those opening fixtures it's hard to ignore Southampton asserts, 3/4 winnable home games to start the season. Especially if you're planning on wildcarding around GW5.

      With Trippier out and not being convinced on JRod I've tweaked things around to get Stephens and Gabbi in for Trippier and JRod.

    23. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      • 17 Years
      9 years, 2 hours ago

      Hi Jonty - see below for why I will be steering clear of the saints attack they don't finish thier chances simple as that.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etybM0me0pU

    24. Hotdogs for Tea
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 2 hours ago

      ''I'm monitoring cedric- my issue with him is that he has had impressive underlying stats since he joined - yet never delivered.''

      He creates many many chances (much more that any other Soton defender, better than Alonso, Walker, Valencia ...), just not sure why the chances are not converted by others. I don't think others failing to score from his chances can be described as 'never delivered' because he is doing what is required of him.

      A few goals from him and at 5.0 he will be FPL gold

      1. FFPro
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 1 hour ago

        The answer to this is that the majority of his crosses are weakly lofted/dinked, not allowing the attacking player to generate power easily.

        This is one of the occasions where those who watch games gain an edge over those who are just looking at the stats.

        Stats are just a guideline, albeit a good one, but they don't always tell the full picture.

        1. Hotdogs for Tea
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 1 hour ago

          I will watch him closer to see if this is true

        2. Hotdogs for Tea
          • 10 Years
          9 years, 1 hour ago

          didn't you say this not a few weeks back though 😉

          Trippier Cedric Daniels dunk 4.0 has been my def for awhile now and i doubt it will change.

    25. It’s a Knockaert
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 2 hours ago

      Should I go Cedric or Stephens or ake?

      1. Toked
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 12 months ago

        Cedric

  12. :
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Was just looking at Bournemouth players and came across this...They lost six and drew two of their eight competitive games in January/February but then had a 5/5/2 record from there on in (losses were against Spus & Chelsea and there were four clean sheets along the way). In that period only the Big Six got more points - and some of them played a game more. Looks like they were starting to really get a hang of things come the Spring time so there might be some real value down there.

    1. Egg noodle
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Good point. Although it doesn't have to spring this time, could be any time

    2. 32chickens
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Correct

    3. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Francis was injured in January.

    4. Meltens
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Yeah I wrote a post yesterday about Bournemouth being the poor man's Manchester City, I'm going cherry heavy at the start personally. Well priced and should hopefully improve this season.

    5. Christophe Savage
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      There is value in that squad, that's for sure.

  13. Dr Kenneth Noisewater
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Roughly there?

    Foster - Elliot
    Bertrand - Daniels - Suttner - TAA - 4.0m
    KdB - Pogba - Willian - Ritchie - Carroll
    Kane - Lukaku - Firmino

    1. Top 210 Club
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Yep

  14. Tranny Fan
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Any tips on where I can find private Sky Sports leagues with buy-ins. I want to give a few a go this year but don't want to enter the public ones with circa 1000 people entered! I've had a quick search on twitter but not much seems to be on there

    1. FPL Kangaroo
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 11 mins ago

      I have a sky cash league.
      All welcome.
      Only 20 in so far so great chance of actually winning.
      See details in tweet below.

      https://twitter.com/FPLKangaroo/status/884753166251773953

  15. tibollom
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    hows this? Defence too weak?

    Foster Elliot
    Kola simpson daniels mee rangel
    salah kdb willian ritchie caroll
    kaku kane chica/gabbi

  16. internal error
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Milner missed a penalty last season.

    1. internal error
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      He scored 7 out of 8 pens

  17. @persecuted_by_mods
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Pretty sure Milner missed a pen last year, Dean Forster saved it

    1. bojack
      • 10 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      I thought Dean Schmeichel came close to saving one as well.

  18. Count_cooler
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Any thoughts on how to take 0.5 from this squad guys?

    Foster, Elliot
    Valencia, Yoshida, Mee, Trippier, Rangel
    Alli, Salah, Ritchie, Loftus-C, De bruyne
    Lukaku, JRod, Morata

    -0.5ITB

    Cheers!

    1. statenisland
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Lukaku > Jesus

    2. Allthepresidentsmen
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Valencia to bailly

    3. Christophe Savage
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Change Rangel, he won't play and his high ownership will cause a drop in value. Change to a low owned non player if that's what your after.
      J rod to Abraham?
      Ritchie to gross or jwp
      Trippier if injured to Bournemouth ake or daniels.

      1. Count_cooler
        • 11 Years
        9 years, 3 hours ago

        Do you know how serious the injury is to Trippier?

        1. Christophe Savage
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 3 hours ago

          Not sure anyone does yet.

    4. HearMeRoar
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Ritchie to JWP?

      Both on set pieces with strong early fixtures. Like-for-like?

    5. MB10
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Salah/JRod to Firmino/Ince

    6. TokyoRisingSun
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Valencia to Kolasinac.

    7. Count_cooler
      • 11 Years
      9 years, 3 hours ago

      Cheers all! Some good options there, much appreciated.

    8. Birds of Prey
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 16 mins ago

      Trippier> Hegazi rotates w/Mee Rangel will be 3.9 shortly
      Morata> Jesus
      Val> Bailly
      Ritchie> Willian IMO GL

  19. Gazpilicueta
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    my usual football highlights website seems to have a severe lack of Bournemouth pre-season, and other less high profile teams....

    can anyone here link me to highlights videos or better yet a website where they are regularly uploaded?

    for Bournemouth right now, but also other teams are cool too. thanks in advance

    1. afcbbbb
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      You can watch Bournemouths game today against Napoli on AFCB TV ( Free to sign up )

      1. Gazpilicueta
        • 12 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        thanks dude

        1. afcbbbb
          • 9 Years
          9 years, 4 hours ago

          Welcome

  20. Kizza_10
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Best 4.5 defender ?

    1. The Iron Tulip
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Francis or Mee possibly?

    2. Toked
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 12 months ago

      Danny Simpson

  21. LloristheHounds
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Rmt

    FOSTER (Elliot)
    Danilo, Stephens, kola (lowe, hudson)
    Willian, KDB, JWP, salah, Ritchie
    KANE, lukaku, (ayew)

    Thoughts?
    Not sure on Stephans.. Will he start?

    1. Vijay
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 2 hours ago

      As a Saints fan, I'd think so - he was excellent yesterday against Sevilla. He's certainly our best CD after VvD

  22. makaveli123
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    David Silva at 8m is tempting, especially with his new haircut

    1. Egg noodle
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      I'd pay 9m for that haircut

    2. Syd.
      • 17 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Yeah that is certainly a neat haircut

    3. The Iron Tulip
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      KDB or no one from the mid for me.

  23. THFC4LIFE
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Pick an option. Have KDB

    A. Kane Zaha/Willian Kompany
    B. Jesus Eriksen Trippier

    1. Doylaz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      B if Trippier is fit

    2. Egg noodle
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      A willian

    3. THFC4LIFE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      Anyone else?

    4. MattB
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      B is trip fit

  24. The Iron Tulip
    • 12 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    I feel like I may be settled on this team, rotating Francis and Carroll.

    De Gea (Elliot)

    Bertrand - Walker - Kolasinac - Francis (Haidara)

    Willian - Pogba - Alli (Carroll - RLC)

    Lukaku - Jesus - Firmino

    Thoughts?

  25. Syd.
    • 17 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Pretty sure James missed a penalty last season

  26. statenisland
    • 11 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Just done a little shuffling around. Would appreciate some better expert opinions:

    Foster (Elliot)
    Danilo, Cedric, Daniels (4.0, 4.0)
    Willian, Salah, KDB, Zaha, (TC)
    Jesus, Lukaku, Firmino

    1. Doylaz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 12 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      2 4.0 defenders will cause you too many problems

    2. CostaCoffee
      • 13 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      I'm afraid you only have 2 playing defenders

      1. afcbbbb
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        3

        1. statenisland
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 4 hours ago

          This

    3. Vijay
      • 14 Years
      9 years, 2 hours ago

      Personally, having watched them both yesterday, I'd take Stephens over Cedric.

  27. CostaCoffee
    • 13 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Should I be trying to get a L'pool player in my team?

    1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      imo yes. Salah. His record when played by his manager (rather than being bought just to stop others getting him by Chelsea) is outstanding

      1. CostaCoffee
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        Not sure how I will get him in my team

        1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          9 years, 4 hours ago

          what's the rest look like? mine is currently:

          Elliott Foster
          Alonso Danilo Hegazi Naughton Schindler
          Salah KDB Pogba Tarroll Kacunga
          Luk Jesus Tammy

          1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 16 Years
            9 years, 4 hours ago

            Bloody Hell. What's all that? 😀

            1. Malcolm Tucker for England …
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              9 years, 4 hours ago

              🙂

              i like it! Danilo is short term and i'm sitting on 0.5 mill.
              if Siggy is starting week 1 i'll have him vs stoke for 1 week only. if not, Hegazi>Cedric before deadline.

              you no likey?

              1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
                • Fantasy Football Scout Member
                • 16 Years
                9 years, 4 hours ago

                I'm not exactly wild, no ... 😀

                There are VERY FEW goals in that midfield ... 🙂

            2. Malcolm Tucker for England …
              • Fantasy Football Scout Member
              • 15 Years
              9 years, 4 hours ago

              Naughton/Hegazi/Schindler rotation is acceptable for the ££

    2. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      ARS : LEI 512 stk 221
      BOU : wba -182 WAT 359
      BRI : MCI -277 lei -151
      BUR : che -804 WBA 62
      CHE : BUR 804 tot -225
      CPL : HUD 48 liv -520
      EVE : STK 460 mci -342
      HUD : cpl -48 NEW -98
      LEI : ars -512 BRI 151
      LIV : wat 328 CPL 520
      MCY : bri 277 EVE 342
      MUN : WHM 260 swa 303
      NEW : TOT -322 hud 98
      SOT : SWA 218 WHM 57
      STK : eve -460 ARS -221
      SWA : sou -218 MUN -303
      TOT : new 322 CHE 225
      WAT : LIV -328 bou -359
      WBA : BOU 182 bur -62
      WHM : mun -260 sou -117

      What do you think? 🙂

      1. CostaCoffee
        • 13 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        Ah this will mean a big squad reshuffle

      2. THFC4LIFE
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        Wtf is all that

      3. bojack
        • 10 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        Surprised Tottenham's number is so high against Chelsea.

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 4 hours ago

          Chelsea's away rating is only third highest, but their home rating ... 🙂

      4. afcbbbb
        • 9 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        Can someone explain what this means?

        1. Daaf
          • 11 Years
          9 years, 3 hours ago

          These are custom made fixture ratings. Positive is good, negative is bad. CAPS is home, low caps is away. The higher the better -> Chelsea - Burnley is very high, Burnley - Chelsea is very low.

          Hope that helps.

      5. 32chickens
        • 15 Years
        9 years, 4 hours ago

        I think New will fare much better than wat
        I think swans could turnover sot

        1. Doosra - ☭DeclanMyGenius…
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 16 Years
          9 years, 4 hours ago

          1.) I am sure of it.
          2.) I doubt that very much indeed. 🙂

  28. aydeepee69
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    RMT....
    Foster
    Kolasinac, Luiz, Cedric
    KDB, Alli, Salah, Matic
    Jesus, Lukaku, JRod
    (Elliot, Mee, Hunemeier, Loft-Cheek)

    Still unsure re Jesus & KDB v Kane & KDB (and Alli downgrade)

  29. Aussiemilan
    • 9 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    Hey guys Appreciate your input

    A De Gea, coutinho, erikson
    Or
    B Fabianski/foster, mane, de bruyne

    Keeping in mind i already have alli in midfield

    1. Silicon Vialli
      • 9 Years
      9 years, 2 hours ago

      B

  30. bojack
    • 10 Years
    9 years, 4 hours ago

    The form Carroll's in I'm tempted to start him against Southampton.

    Scenes here if he scores.

    1. 32chickens
      • 15 Years
      9 years, 4 hours ago

      I'm with you but i'm starting Tammy above him!