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6 August 2017 3655 comments
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Three at the back – it’s been the tried and trusted Fantasy formation since we were first given a choice in such matters.

Midfielders and forwards score more points, after all, so you’ve got to maximise their presence in your side.

But the rise of the wing-back last season is threatening to prompt a revolution. The poster boy for the movement, Marcos Alonso, romped to 177 points for Chelsea in 2016/17 – more than all but the top four Fantasy Premier League strikers (excluding the out-of-position Josh King).

And with more Premier League managers than ever flirting with the system, there’s a school of thought that increasing numbers of Fantasy defenders are going to score big this campaign.

We canvas the opinion of some leading Fantasy Premier League managers and Fantasy Football Scout staff to ask for their verdict on the second of this season’s Burning Questions: Do we stick to 3-4-3, or give in to the lure of the four-man defence?

Ben Crabtree (Reigning FPL Champion) Says…

There’s no question that 3-4-3 is the standard FPL formation and, given the array of forwards available, I want to continue playing three up front.

Whether it’s worth moving to four in defence is something I’ll look to adapt to when more information suggests that’s the route.

At the moment there are a lot of options in all the positions, so I’m still happy to maximise the number of attackers.

I generally find results to be unpredictable at the start of the season with newly promoted teams often enjoying a honeymoon period. This makes banking on clean sheets as a source of points a risky strategy.

Should certain teams come to the fore with regards to clean sheets, and at least four defenders look clearly underpriced, then I could be persuaded to make the switch to four at the back.

But it’s a crazy, and possibly drab, season if I’m going to five, though.

The other side to defenders that’s worth looking at is the attacking potential. I like my defenders to have some goal threat, but feel three defenders is still enough.

I still view defenders for clean sheets as being the priority and am not keen on a good Gameweek being dependent on my defenders scoring or assisting.

Uwais Ahmed (FPL Runner-Up 2016/17) Says…

Depends. Each to their own!

We saw with Marcos Alonso and Kyle Walker last season that the wing-backs provide great value in FPL, and it has reinvigorated the defender position as a glamorous position to pay attention to.

Therefore, given how many attacking wing-backs we have in the league coupled with consistently high-scoring centre-backs such as Gary Cahill, Gareth McAuley and Cesar Azpilicueta, there is merit in considering a four-man defence in FPL.

However, you would have to dig deeper into the statistical evidence to establish the best value formation.

The basic fact remains that you have £100m to spend and I feel the most significant factor when putting a team together is to select the right players period by period and regardless of the formation, and to be flexible in your approach.

Selecting high-value players in one position obviously means allowances have to be made elsewhere, so it is best to put together a balanced team capable of putting big points on the board.

Generally speaking, I have always preferred the 3-4-3 formation but given how many good high-priced attacking players there are, if I was going to change, it would be to a 3-5-2 to allow two big hitters up front.

Having said this, I don’t believe it works long-term to be principled and I try and maintain a squad of 15 that allows for flexibility of formations.

Again, it is more important to have the right set of players than to start with a formation and go from there.

Peter Kouwenberg (Current Hall of Fame #1) Says…

At the time of writing, I am so tempted to switch to the dark side of a four-man defence, purely because the value you can find by stripping down the attacking unit by two players is mouth-watering.

The potential benefits of stocking up on wing-backs have been constantly lauded on these pages over the past few weeks and have slowly eroded my stoicism to stick to 3-4-3 or 3-5-2.

That third striker position is the deal-breaker, in my mind.

You can obviously go all-out attack with three Rolls-Royce strikers if you don’t mind loading your defence and midfield with the Rangels and Carrolls of the world.

Trade in your Jesus or Morata for the ephemeral charms of Defoe, Benteke or Hernandez and you are looking at a solid, balanced 3-4-3 with points potential all over the pitch and maybe even a half-decent substitute knocking on your door every week asking if there is any chance he can have a run-out.

How tempting, though, to throw caution to the wind and dust the cobwebs off logbooks labelled Crouch, McBurnie or Mousset. You know these cantankerous old beasts may not even get into first gear, but what does that matter when it allows you the coveted Kan-Kaku strike force, two premium midfielders and enough cash left over to replicate Manchester City’s summer spending in defence?

Fantasy Football is all about flexibility and adaptability, and a change of formation could be just the bold move which puts you ahead of the game before Wildcard mania kicks in.

Whether I’m bold enough to make the move myself is something yet to be confirmed.

Simon March (FPL Champion 2014/15) Says…

I can definitely see the appeal of a back four.

The triumphant return of the wing-back position after about twenty years in the footballing wilderness has offered the promise of both attacking and defensive returns and a whole new dynamic to factor into our selection.

It’s hard to argue against including the likes of Kieran Trippier or Marcos Alonso. Sure, they’ve had big price hikes this season, but comparable to many midfielders and forwards, they look to offer better value.

Outside of the premium defenders, the trend of wing-backs may also enhance the value of some budget defenders, Lewis Dunk at Brighton being a potential example. This further strengthens the case for focusing on the backline.

For me though, I’m currently still looking at three at the back, with one or two premium options, and then exploiting the value I see among mid-priced midfielders to afford a strong front line.

Defence is, in my opinion, still the best place to conserve budget. The shift for me involves the type of defender I’m going for – it’s now pacy wing-backs over the good ol’ BAP-magnet-dominating centre-halves.

That said, I’m still a little wary.

The trend for wing-backs emerged out of the blue(s) last season and took everyone by surprise.

But football evolves quickly and, this season, teams are certain to adapt, either by teams switching to a wing-back formation themselves, finding ways to counter the threat or by exploiting the spaces that wing-backs can leave defensively.

The days of Alonso and company bombing forward with reckless abandon might not last as long as we hope.

Jonty says…

I’ve heard the arguments for opting for four at the back and they are pretty impressive.

Of those defenders priced at 7.0 or below, 10 achieved scores in excess of 130 FPL points last season. Of these, Chelsea’s Gary Cahill, Marcos Alonso and Cesar Azpilicueta even managed to hit or exceed the 170-point mark.

By contrast, just five similarly-priced midfielders breached the 130-point barrier and none earned more than 149.

The argument in favour of fielding four at the back over 3-4-3 is even greater when considering cheaper strikers, as only Troy Deeney of Watford managed to hit 130 points last time out.

Four at the back makes sense, but I’ve still decided to ignore this compelling evidence and stick to my tried and tested 3-4-3 line up.

A key factor is that I want to minimize the crushing disappointment of waiting in vain for my defenders to keep their clean sheet points. Waiting for a goal to be scored by my player rather than an opponent is much more fun.

Another factor is that flexibility is key early on.

I’m happy to switch to a four at the back formation, but from the off I want more freedom to hop on midfield or striker bandwagons that emerge. Having a squad with two 4.5 midfielders or a non-playing 4.5 striker leaves me with little wiggle room.

Should a playing 4.5 striker emerge, then I’ll consider a switch to four at the back. But until then, I’m happy to wait for a Wilfried Zaha or Charlie Austin goal rather than for the likes of Alonso or Cahill to lose their clean sheet.

Paul Says…

The growing trend for wing-backs could increasingly influence our transfer plans this season – and maybe even force a reassessment of the default 3-4-3 FPL formation.

Chelsea and Spurs’ penchant for three-man defences was followed by Arsenal in the latter stages of 2016/17, while both Manchester clubs and Everton have flirted with the formation this summer.

Essentially, that’s six of last season’s top seven teams potentially playing full-backs further up the pitch.

There’s also the fact that three Chelsea defenders supplied 170+ points in FPL last time.

But let’s not forget that the Blues managed just one clean sheet in their first six fixtures, while Marcos Alonso didn’t start a league match until Gameweek 7.

So initially, at least, I’ll be keeping faith in a three-man backline and adjust accordingly to on-field events as the season unfolds.

Building initial value also plays a part in my thinking here.

Particularly in the early parts of the season, most major bandwagons are typically focused on midfielders and forwards – a clean sheet doesn’t quite turn heads or drive up prices in the same manner that a goal does. I want my money on attackers to begin with.

The opening fixtures for both Southampton and West Brom also favour the tried and trusted approach. Charlie Austin, Manolo Gabbiadini or Jay Rodriguez could be quick to offer value and build on their two-goal showings over the summer.

With two big-hitters alongside in a three-man frontline, I’d prefer to punt on one or two in-form mid-price attackers with favourable fixtures rather than roll the dice on my approach and squad tactics from the off.

Mark Says…

I love the concept of Fantasy managers adapting their own tactics to fit the changes in real-world formations.

Clearly, a three-man defence with wing-backs is being seen as the way forward for many managers and teams in the Premier League, though I’m watchful for a backlash as methods to counter that tactic improve.

In Fantasy terms, I’m not about to move to a back four for Gameweek 1, but I am setting my team up to react and possibly shift once we have more data and information.

However, I fully intend to embrace the trend of investing in big-hitting defenders with my initial squad: I may well opt for both Antonio Valencia and perhaps Marcos Alonso, for example.

For one, they have a very strong opening fixture. But more significantly, they represent an effective way of holding funds that can be easily freed up with a simple downgrade to a team-mate or even a 4.5 alternative.

By downgrading one or even both to lower-priced options, I may just have the cash to move for early attacking bandwagons.

Experience tells me that real value will crop up in midfield. It could be temporary, and in short bursts, so I want a set-up capable of acting quickly when it does.

So 3-4-3 remains for me, but with the funds allocated to allow an easy shift to a 3-5-2 or even a four-man defence should meaningful value crop up in that position.

  1. The Gohan
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Is Ryan Fraser nailed?

    1. Whats the Mata?
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      wait for the team news in 10 mins

    2. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      No

  2. Pariße
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    What's the latest on Cedric, will he start GW1?

    1. How I met your Mata
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      May as well get yoshida to be safe

    2. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Or Stephens?

    3. Gregor
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Got an hour under his belt, another full weeks training, reckon he'll be grand.

    4. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Think so. Pied wasn't even in the squad

  3. How I met your Mata
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Fabreags worth a punt??

    1. The Gohan
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Exactly my doubt!

    2. Abusement Park
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      only short term

    3. How I met your Mata
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Fabregas*

      1. J T
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Yeah

  4. chaboi1998
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    A) Danilo + RLC
    B) Hunemeister + Ritchie

    1. Pariße
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      What's the appeal of Danilo? won't he be out of the team as soon as Mendy's fit?

    2. Mavric Marco
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      A

  5. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Given Klopp's comment that Milner like having new midfielder is Moreno likely to start season at left back? Or is Alexander Arnold at left back more nailed?

    1. dunas_dog
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      * Sorry AA at right back

    2. Greenbackbøøg…
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Surely robertson

    3. internal error
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      A good chance given that he said something along the lines that Robertson wasnt ready

      1. internal error
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Good chance moreno starts

    4. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      That comment should be put in the light of their failure to sign a mid(Keita).

  6. Greenbackbøøg…
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Will Pedro be banned, and if yes what are the fantasy implications

    1. internal error
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      No

    2. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Friendly- no ban

    3. How I met your Mata
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      No don't think he will get banned

    4. Abusement Park
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Pedro banned. I'm guessing Morata on the left, Bats center and Willian on the right

    5. hurrrrr
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      No, won't be banned. No fantasy implications other than that he wasn't much of a threat all game.

    6. Marc
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Likely 3-match ban. Willian (+1.0 ITB) as a suitable replacement?

    7. J T
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      No ban.

  7. Jafooli
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Is Elliot looking likely to start the season?

    Why hasn't FSW recalled Krul?

    1. Ask Yourself
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Krul seriously declined and been asked to leave, Elliot strongest chance of starting

    2. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      They are coupled with Adrian by the media but I think Elliot will play

    3. Jafooli
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Cool, cheers both....certainly helps having a 4.0m

  8. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Well mates... avoiding Promoted teams:
    What do you think?
    DDG
    Daniels Cedric Monreal
    KDB Zaha Willian Fraser
    Kane Kaku Firmino
    Elliott TC Mee Mariappa

    1. chaboi1998
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Shoddy midfiled

      1. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        CHceees mate..Who would you move to who? JWP? Gross? Ritchie? Ince?

        1. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          Cheers^^

          1. Flynny
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 8 months ago

            I think it's very nice...

            Maybe downgrade ddg and get kolasenic?

            1. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 8 months ago

              Kola didn't start today... I am a little concerned so I down graded to Monreal so I could upgrade 4.0 to Mee for starter on bench as back up... but good idea
              Cheers Flynny...

  9. Abusement Park
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    RMT please

    Foster
    Bailly Trippier Daniels Cedric
    KDB Salah Willian Zaha
    Kane Lukaku

    Elliot 4m Caroll Quaner

    1. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Trip on crutches
      I had Salah and switched to Firmino yesterday with Abraham flag
      Good team

      1. Abusement Park
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks.

    2. J T
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Trippier injured, Cedric not fit

      1. J T
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Nice forwards thou

      2. Abusement Park
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Thanks. I'll probably do Cedric --> Stephens/Yosh and Trippier --> Danilo/Stones/Davies

  10. Gazpilicueta
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    A) Firmino and Willian
    B) Coutinho and 6.5 Striker

    also, if you choose B, which striker?

    1. Pariße
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      A

  11. reason17
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    A) Salah - Jesus
    B) KDB - Lacazette

    1. Gazpilicueta
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      ooooh tough one......

      B

    2. Abusive_Sgt_Daelrhos
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      B

    3. How I met your Mata
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      B

    4. Sonny “The Hitman&rdq…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      KDB and Firmino for me

    5. sunzip14
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      I am with B right now

    6. hurrrrr
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      B

  12. Moyseehh
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Hi guys, RMT please:

    Foster - (Elliot)
    Davies - Yoshida - Kolasinac - (Rangel - Hunemeier)
    Willian - Mane - KDB - Milivojevic - (Carrol)
    Kane - Gabbi - Lukaku

    Regards.

  13. chaboi1998
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Is Danilo an attacking option?

    1. Mavric Marco
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Plays wing back so yeah - had a great preseason as well

  14. KLOPPTOMANIA
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Is Quaner nailed?

    1. sunzip14
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      no

    2. MarvelouSuccess
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      no

    3. KLOPPTOMANIA
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Cheers

  15. Ask Yourself
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Anyone see the Brighton game? How good was mr gross

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Check hot topic.

  16. Jafooli
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Mark, please post your team asap.

    1. Gazpilicueta
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Also, whens the next ScoutCast?

      1. Whazza
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Should be Tuesday

    2. shearer9
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Does he tend to post it before GW1?

      1. Jafooli
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        He should set an example.

    3. Debauchy
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      No Rondon

      1. Jafooli
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Risking an unwanted pregnancy...

        1. Debauchy
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 8 months ago

          lol

    4. Sickboy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Weren't the mods supposed to be discussing their teams on the RMT hot topic?

      1. Jafooli
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        This

  17. How I met your Mata
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Trent Arnold best 4.5 to start with when I have alderwield and Bertrand

  18. FPLGyarados
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Just forced Kane into my team for the first time in my deliberations this year.
    I feel my team is like the latter stages of Jenga. Lots on top and a bit wobbly at the bottom.

    1. MarvelouSuccess
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      that's what she said

  19. Toast
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Tammy Abraham...speak to me. How long is Lorente out for and will TA keep his place?

    1. potatoace
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Didn't he get injured yesterday

      1. Whazza
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Precautionary sub, tight muscle

    2. Whazza
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      2 strikers looking likely. Llorente should miss first 2. Then it's up to Tammy and Ayew beside him.

  20. :
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Do we all REALLY realise how good Southampton's first 11 fixtures are? Put it this way, if they played Bournemouth in GW6 instead of Manchester United, they'd be playing the first eleven in the relegation betting market between now and Guy Fawkes night (and doesn't that seem such a long time away?)

    As I've said in previous posts, this makes all their assets all at least 0.5m under valued right now and anything less than a triple up from the outset is just a wasted opportunity.

    Actually, maybe I should keep this to myself.

    1. MarvelouSuccess
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      shhhh i tripled on southampton

      1. HellasLEAF
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Thinking of going Forster over Foster in nets, with Yoshida and Austin myself.

    2. Whazza
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Most are waaay ahead of checking the fixtures out mate.

    3. Respect My Authoritah
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      They're amazing. I'm considering a short term triple up until Trippier returns

    4. bojack
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      The beginning of the season is unpredictable, on top of which they have a new manager.

      Last year Scout Picks had 3 Leicester players in the side which subsequently lose to Hull City, who were being touted as worse than the Derby County side which got the least points in PL history.

      I think it's naive to think that fixtures alone, especially at the start of a season are a guarantee of points from players in that team and a triple on any side, let alone a side which was utterly appalling at the end of last year, looks foolish to me.

    5. Ramboros
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Playing fixtures at the beginning of the season is considerably more difficult than towards the middle of the season.

  21. Flynny
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Who is the best saints defender for 5m to start with?

    Is Cedric expected to play at weekend?

    Or go with yoshida or Stephen's?

    Thanks

    1. J T
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Yoshi & Stephens

    2. potatoace
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Cedric may start but also he may not get 90mins.

      Out of yostephens options, Stephens is looking rather good.

  22. Mane
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    So is Sanchez going to start or what?

    1. sentz05
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      I bloody hope so

  23. Gazpilicueta
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Any games worth a watch tonight?

    1. potatoace
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Game of thrones?

  24. FPL Virgin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Why wasn't Sanchez even on the bench?

    Wenger said he was short for fitness. But How can he build up match fitness if he doesn't step foot on the pitch?

    1. Numb
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      Doesn't matter for FPL, no one on here has him.

    2. MarvelouSuccess
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      he's off mate

  25. aca_sr
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Draft in 20h max 8 teams...code is 408443-98706!

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      20h is far away.

  26. Obi-1 Kenobi-0
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Feel like I've finally settled on a team I'm happy to roll with for GW1. Didn't get any replies before, so reposting as I'd really appreciate some constructive criticism - previous best OR is ~400k so really looking to improve this season.

    RMT please!

    De Gea
    Alonso Bertrand Yoshida Hegazi
    KdB Mane Zaha T.Carroll
    Kane Lukaku
    (Elliot, 4.0, Atsu, Quaner)

  27. *sigh*
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    A: Luka Walcott Monreal
    B: Lacazette Mhiki Bailey

    1. sunzip14
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      B with Pogba imo

    2. polis
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      B. Always the one without Wally.

      1. *sigh*
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 8 months ago

        Cheers

  28. Sickboy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    I've got a nasty feeling that I'm going to leave a load of Carroll points on the bench this season if I get another 4th midfielder.

    1. potatoace
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 8 months ago

      This.

  29. Numb
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    Hmm, Suttner and Bong given 45 mins each. Hughton undecided on the left back position?

  30. RohanVaswani
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 8 months ago

    A) Kolasinac Daniels

    Or

    B) Monreal Baily/Luiz?