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8 August 2017 3515 comments
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The tyranny of choice was never greater than when considering the Liverpool midfield.

Jurgen Klopp has an abundance of talent at his disposal, and that wealth is creating an almighty headache for us Fantasy managers.

It seems highly likely that there will be points aplenty to be had from Reds midfielders this season, but which ones will start consistently? And will any be considered undroppable, particularly with Champions League rotation to be considered as well?

The fact that key assets have now also been reclassified for this season’s Fantasy Premier League game should have decluttered the issue but has actually clouded things even further, as we shall see below.

We canvas the opinion of some leading Fantasy Premier League managers and Fantasy Football Scout staff to ask for their verdict on the third of this season’s Burning Questions: Who is the solution to the Liverpool midfield conundrum?

Ben Crabtree (Reigning FPL Champion & Liverpoolphobe) Says…

Hmm, Liverpool…

Last season they offered numerous options, and the headache may be further enhanced this season. The safe bets look like Philippe Coutinho – if he stays – and Sadio Mane, although Coutinho may play in a slightly less points-effective position with the arrival of Mohamed Salah.

Salah himself has had a great pre-season and could do better than the same-priced Coutinho, although he would have been more tempting at 0.5 less. Then there’s Adam Lallana and Georginio Wijnaldum, who both clocked up respectable scores and could prove great value, as well as being differentials.

Lallana, at 7.5, has potential for big Gameweeks but is a greater injury and rotation risk than Wijnaldum who casually hit 149 last season. A repeat would prove very acceptable at 7.0.

Overall, I think with Liverpool’s midfield; you get what you pay for. If you want a higher probability of output, then you have to pay more. If you have one, you may have to ride out some lean spells while others score heavily, but I think they’ll all run in cycles and your choice will eventually reward you.

They’ll likely all score well for their prices, and the best option will probably be different for each quarter of the season.

If the headache is too great then don’t pick any. It’s not necessarily a bad move…

Simon March (FPL Champion 2014/15) Says…

If you believe the back pages, this is a conundrum that is increasingly close to being solved for us, particularly if Coutinho does complete his much-rumoured move to the Camp Nou.

The speculation alone rules him out as an option for me, at least until the transfer window shuts. In my view, that leaves Mane and Salah as the main prospects.

As impressive as Salah has been in pre-season, I think Mane wins out for two reasons. Firstly, he’s a tried-and-trusted FPL performer, tallying double-figures for goals scored in each of his three Premier League seasons and with plenty of assists to boot. He seems to get better and better.

Secondly, at 9.5, he is slightly more expensive than Salah at 9.0. That might sound a little counter-intuitive, but it means Mane is an easy downgrade should Salah start firing or, alternatively, allows a straight swap for the likes of Dele Alli and Christian Eriksen, who are also both 9.5.

Given that Liverpool’s opposition toughens considerably from Gameweek 3, whereas Spurs’ fixtures appear to ease up, that’s an option Fantasy managers who are backing Liverpool midfield assets might want to have ready in their back pockets.

Peter Kouwenberg (Current Hall of Fame #1) Says…

To death and taxes can be added a third certainty in life: picking the one barren Liverpool midfielder as the others claim a bumper haul (typically away against Arsenal, rather than home to Southampton, just to rub salt into the wound).

This season, with increased risk of rotation, it won’t get any easier.

Mane is back from his lay-off and new boy Salah has been tearing up pre-season. There are even a few under the radar strikers who could wipe the iridescent smile off reclassified striker Roberto Firmino’s face from time to time, as Jürgen Klopp fights on four fronts this season.

When plagued with seemingly impossible questions, I invariably turn to the Book of Paddy for inspiration. Here, we find the Golden Boot odds favour Mane, followed by Firmino and finally Salah, though the margins between the three are fairly narrow – particularly when you consider the cost differences in FPL and Firmino’s positional point penalty.

With assists also factored in, Coutinho could just as easily top the billing by the end of the season. Thanks, Paddy…

So for those who seek to take advantage of Liverpool’s reasonable open fixtures, avoid the reticent ‘wait and see’ approach and don’t own a four-sided dice from those glorious childhood days playing Dungeons and Dragons, I would plump for Salah.

That said, I challenge anyone to list the order in which those four players will finish for points by the end of the season. Crystal balls at the ready, now.

Uwais Ahmed (FPL Runner-up 2016/17) Says…

At the time of writing this, Coutinho remains a Liverpool player.

However, if he did move on to pastures new at Barcelona, this would change the dynamic significantly – they will look to replace him in the squad with someone of similar ilk, so we will have to keep an eye on that.

At the start of last season, Coutinho, Firmino and Mane were all viable candidates for a slot in our midfield. However, doubling up from one team on midfield assets always leaves you a little compromised as there are so many other attractive midfield options from other teams.

Therefore, doubling up on Liverpool assets this season will be a lot easier because Firmino is now classified as a striker, which will allow us to have coverage of other Premier League teams.

Personally, I feel Jurgen Klopp will settle in the long-term on Lallana playing in the double pivot, with Mane, Salah, Coutinho (if he stays) and Firmino occupying the front four slots.

With Lallana being ruled out through injury for two to three months, Jurgen Klopp has talked up the idea of James Milner occupying a midfield role.

Ironically, this changes things up from last season when he played for Liverpool as a left-back but was classed as a midfielder in FPL yet this season, he is classed as a defender (albeit an expensive one), but will probably play in central midfield.

I like Mane, personally, because I believe he has the potential for explosive returns and last season, he was atop the points per match statistic for Liverpool.

One other factor to definitely bear in mind is that penalty duties may well be up for grabs. I would give strong consideration to that player for this added value.

Firmino has taken a penalty in pre-season, but there is no real confirmation as of yet on this point.

Jonty Says…

Search by points per match for last season on the FPL transfer page and the evidence that Liverpool midfielders share points is there in black and white.

While Arsenal’s Alexis Sanchez, Chelsea’s Eden Hazard and Spurs duo Alli and Eriksen broke the six points per match barrier, Liverpool’s Mane, Coutinho and Firmino all failed to reach this landmark.

Instead, they sit in a next best group of players who brought in a respectable but not eye-popping average of more than five points a match.

Nailing the right Liverpool player each Gameweek is tricky and the smart managers last season, like FPL winner Ben above, swerved them altogether.

We would be advised to follow this lead this season, particularly as the forthcoming campaign will see even more competition, with new winger Salah eager to take his share of points.

Having said that, I currently have Mane in my side, with his 9.5 price tag offering the flexibility to hop on an emerging premium midfield bandwagon.

But looking at those points per match figures, I may have just talked myself into ‘doing a Crabtree’.

Paul Says…

Having supplied six of the top 18 scoring FPL midfielders in 2016/17, Liverpool clearly offer a potent source of attacking points under Klopp.

The future of Coutinho may ultimately dictate how we assess the Merseysiders’ Fantasy appeal – if the Brazilian’s mooted move to Barcelona goes through, they will surely need to grab a similarly creative presence to compensate.

To me, Coutinho remains the man that makes Liverpool tick – in terms of frequency; he produced a shot (21.2 minutes) and key pass (34.5) quicker than any team-mate last term. If he stays, and remains injury-free, I’ll certainly be looking to acquire him.

Yet with so much uncertainty surrounding the South American, I currently have Salah as part of my midfield.

Four goals in pre-season not only highlights his form, it also indicates why the Egyptian’s pace will thrive in Liverpool’s 4-3-3 set-up.

In my opinion, Salah and Mane will be equally prolific over the season, yet the price difference of 9.0 to 9.5 is enough to sway me from the off. Meanwhile, Mane’s late return to action over the summer, after finally recovering from a knee problem, could also be a slight factor in the initial stages.

I’m not really into the idea of getting “coverage” of any given side and will have no qualms over opting for two Liverpool midfielders if their output and underlying stats merit it over the course of the campaign.

Mark Says…

I’m currently breaking the cardinal rule of Fantasy Football by backing Salah as my weapon of choice. The unknown quantity.

With the transfer speculation surrounding Coutinho, I’m not going near him for the time being. Firmino’s classification as a forward threw me somewhat and also jarred with my preferred setup of two big-hitters and a budget striker.

That currently leaves me choosing between Salah and Mane.

The latter is proven and, based on last season’s points per match averages, is the Reds midfielder most likely to deliver.

I also love Mane.

I will never forget his “supermarket sweep hat-trick” for Southampton that transformed my Saturday and, arguably, my season.

But Salah has seduced me. A similar option with explosive pace, the price difference and his pre-season form has swayed me. I see him as being more clinical and certainly, more creative.

I’m backing both Salah and Mane to be largely immune from Klopp’s rotation. I just see their pace become such integral weapons, Liverpool will become a blunt instrument without them.

I’ve had line-ups with them both but, with Harry Kane and Romelu Lukaku demanding our attention, that’s a big ask.

I’ll try again but, ultimately, it may just be Salah for me.

  1. Uppercut Panda - A legend i…
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Pogba very selfish. But i thought a selfish player is a good FPL player.

    1. Yav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      If you have ability to go with it, yes.

  2. reo19uk
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    RMT

    Foster Myhill
    Monreal Cédric Jones Yoshida Dunk
    Willian Chalobah De Bruyne Mkhitaryan Carroll
    Batshuayi Kane Lukaku

  3. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Good to see Pogba turning up in another big game

  4. TorresMagic™
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • Has Moderation Rights
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    1-0 Real

  5. MQ
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    This is version 5 so far...
    Thoughts anyone?

    Pickford
    Daniels Naughton Dawson
    Salah KDB Sig Erikson Loftus
    Lukaku Jesus

    Lowton + useless subs on bench!

  6. Syd.
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    So easy

  7. CloudSky
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Caseeeee!

  8. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Sells Dave

  9. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    United D NOT essential.

  10. Atimis
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Real - easy

  11. Sims
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Do people actually know what "nailed" means?

    Simply being likely to start the next game doesn't make you nailed on

  12. markmcr
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    English teams are so far behind other Europe's elite.

  13. ★Kuntheman★
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Best CDM in the world. So consistent.

  14. Davido989
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    On the bright side, at least Matic freed up Pogba lads.

    1. Syd.
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Row Z

      Duck

    2. Dr. Agabuse
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      looool

    3. ★Kuntheman★
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      😆

    4. Yav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      He might as well stay playing deep in midfield if he carries on like this.

  15. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Casemiro goal

    United all over the place

    1. Colonel Shoe 肝池
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      lets hope thats a trend that continues 😉

  16. Colonel Shoe 肝池
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    i may just auto pick a few times until it looks ok-ish 😕

    really feeling the selection difficulty

  17. fredfred48
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    why no one picking Batshuayi upfront?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Short term.

    2. Our Tiny Windows
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Because he's a 2nd choice really. And is overpriced.

      1. Mull
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        He's not overpriced at all.

        1. Our Tiny Windows
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          He spent last season playing for last 10 minutes of some games. Should be about 7.5.

  18. Teror
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    I'm going to get Lindelhof now and none of you can stop me

    1. CostaCoffee
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Go ahead Your loss

    2. reo19uk
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I think thats brave move pretty sure its gonna be Bailly and Jones starting the season in CB but who knows with Mourinho!

  19. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Lindelol

  20. Je suis le chat
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Pogba kak and Kaku poo.

  21. el polako
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Offside ?

    1. Paganoi
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Looked like it.

  22. judd96
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Kolasinic , otamendi or stones?

    I'm saying this as I would ideally like the price to be 5.5. However who is a nailed started in the city defence. Also city have a nicer run of fixtures to start with.

    Thanks in advance

    1. Lallana's Bananas
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Kolasinac

      1. judd96
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers mate. What's the general consensus on the forum. This is my first time using it say kolasinic is my most premium defender, KdB midfielder, lukaku forward etc. Do you ride them out if they get off to a bad start or best to early wildcard and jump on the bandwagon

  23. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Any team with Lindelof in it from here on forward should not be considered as a serious RMT.

  24. You've got red on you.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Offside

    1. Jake.l_8
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Still bad defending by Lind

    2. Paganoi
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yup

  25. Odikostar
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Offside to me

  26. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Lindelof nailed. To the bench.

  27. C_G
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    any ideas lads?

    Foster Elliot

    Danilo Cedric Daniels Mee Hunemeier

    KDB Eriksen Ritchie Milo Carroll

    Kane Luk Firm

    Thanks

  28. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Maybe it's just me but pogba looks as bad as last season and seems to be playing as deep as he was

    1. Smoky Johnson
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      overrated as fook

    2. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Don't get all the Pogba love for FPL

  29. Forza Papac
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    When's the scoutcast?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Hot topic

  30. Bialystrzelec
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Any comments? What you guys think?
    Elliot/Foster
    Millner/Trippier/Cedric/Mee/Dunk
    DeBruyne/Alli/Mane/Phillips/Carroll
    Kane/Chicharito/Gayle

    1. *Reformed-Character*
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      You have money spare surely ?

      1. Bialystrzelec
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        £0 in budget

    2. Jake.l_8
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Trippier not gunna play 1st game prob

    3. jiGGidyJ1
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Milner likely won't play, Trippier is injured

      1. Bialystrzelec
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Short term issues. Don't want to waste free transfer to bring them in after 2 gameweeks