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8 August 2017 3515 comments
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The tyranny of choice was never greater than when considering the Liverpool midfield.

Jurgen Klopp has an abundance of talent at his disposal, and that wealth is creating an almighty headache for us Fantasy managers.

It seems highly likely that there will be points aplenty to be had from Reds midfielders this season, but which ones will start consistently? And will any be considered undroppable, particularly with Champions League rotation to be considered as well?

The fact that key assets have now also been reclassified for this season’s Fantasy Premier League game should have decluttered the issue but has actually clouded things even further, as we shall see below.

We canvas the opinion of some leading Fantasy Premier League managers and Fantasy Football Scout staff to ask for their verdict on the third of this season’s Burning Questions: Who is the solution to the Liverpool midfield conundrum?

Ben Crabtree (Reigning FPL Champion & Liverpoolphobe) Says…

Hmm, Liverpool…

Last season they offered numerous options, and the headache may be further enhanced this season. The safe bets look like Philippe Coutinho – if he stays – and Sadio Mane, although Coutinho may play in a slightly less points-effective position with the arrival of Mohamed Salah.

Salah himself has had a great pre-season and could do better than the same-priced Coutinho, although he would have been more tempting at 0.5 less. Then there’s Adam Lallana and Georginio Wijnaldum, who both clocked up respectable scores and could prove great value, as well as being differentials.

Lallana, at 7.5, has potential for big Gameweeks but is a greater injury and rotation risk than Wijnaldum who casually hit 149 last season. A repeat would prove very acceptable at 7.0.

Overall, I think with Liverpool’s midfield; you get what you pay for. If you want a higher probability of output, then you have to pay more. If you have one, you may have to ride out some lean spells while others score heavily, but I think they’ll all run in cycles and your choice will eventually reward you.

They’ll likely all score well for their prices, and the best option will probably be different for each quarter of the season.

If the headache is too great then don’t pick any. It’s not necessarily a bad move…

Simon March (FPL Champion 2014/15) Says…

If you believe the back pages, this is a conundrum that is increasingly close to being solved for us, particularly if Coutinho does complete his much-rumoured move to the Camp Nou.

The speculation alone rules him out as an option for me, at least until the transfer window shuts. In my view, that leaves Mane and Salah as the main prospects.

As impressive as Salah has been in pre-season, I think Mane wins out for two reasons. Firstly, he’s a tried-and-trusted FPL performer, tallying double-figures for goals scored in each of his three Premier League seasons and with plenty of assists to boot. He seems to get better and better.

Secondly, at 9.5, he is slightly more expensive than Salah at 9.0. That might sound a little counter-intuitive, but it means Mane is an easy downgrade should Salah start firing or, alternatively, allows a straight swap for the likes of Dele Alli and Christian Eriksen, who are also both 9.5.

Given that Liverpool’s opposition toughens considerably from Gameweek 3, whereas Spurs’ fixtures appear to ease up, that’s an option Fantasy managers who are backing Liverpool midfield assets might want to have ready in their back pockets.

Peter Kouwenberg (Current Hall of Fame #1) Says…

To death and taxes can be added a third certainty in life: picking the one barren Liverpool midfielder as the others claim a bumper haul (typically away against Arsenal, rather than home to Southampton, just to rub salt into the wound).

This season, with increased risk of rotation, it won’t get any easier.

Mane is back from his lay-off and new boy Salah has been tearing up pre-season. There are even a few under the radar strikers who could wipe the iridescent smile off reclassified striker Roberto Firmino’s face from time to time, as Jürgen Klopp fights on four fronts this season.

When plagued with seemingly impossible questions, I invariably turn to the Book of Paddy for inspiration. Here, we find the Golden Boot odds favour Mane, followed by Firmino and finally Salah, though the margins between the three are fairly narrow – particularly when you consider the cost differences in FPL and Firmino’s positional point penalty.

With assists also factored in, Coutinho could just as easily top the billing by the end of the season. Thanks, Paddy…

So for those who seek to take advantage of Liverpool’s reasonable open fixtures, avoid the reticent ‘wait and see’ approach and don’t own a four-sided dice from those glorious childhood days playing Dungeons and Dragons, I would plump for Salah.

That said, I challenge anyone to list the order in which those four players will finish for points by the end of the season. Crystal balls at the ready, now.

Uwais Ahmed (FPL Runner-up 2016/17) Says…

At the time of writing this, Coutinho remains a Liverpool player.

However, if he did move on to pastures new at Barcelona, this would change the dynamic significantly – they will look to replace him in the squad with someone of similar ilk, so we will have to keep an eye on that.

At the start of last season, Coutinho, Firmino and Mane were all viable candidates for a slot in our midfield. However, doubling up from one team on midfield assets always leaves you a little compromised as there are so many other attractive midfield options from other teams.

Therefore, doubling up on Liverpool assets this season will be a lot easier because Firmino is now classified as a striker, which will allow us to have coverage of other Premier League teams.

Personally, I feel Jurgen Klopp will settle in the long-term on Lallana playing in the double pivot, with Mane, Salah, Coutinho (if he stays) and Firmino occupying the front four slots.

With Lallana being ruled out through injury for two to three months, Jurgen Klopp has talked up the idea of James Milner occupying a midfield role.

Ironically, this changes things up from last season when he played for Liverpool as a left-back but was classed as a midfielder in FPL yet this season, he is classed as a defender (albeit an expensive one), but will probably play in central midfield.

I like Mane, personally, because I believe he has the potential for explosive returns and last season, he was atop the points per match statistic for Liverpool.

One other factor to definitely bear in mind is that penalty duties may well be up for grabs. I would give strong consideration to that player for this added value.

Firmino has taken a penalty in pre-season, but there is no real confirmation as of yet on this point.

Jonty Says…

Search by points per match for last season on the FPL transfer page and the evidence that Liverpool midfielders share points is there in black and white.

While Arsenal’s Alexis Sanchez, Chelsea’s Eden Hazard and Spurs duo Alli and Eriksen broke the six points per match barrier, Liverpool’s Mane, Coutinho and Firmino all failed to reach this landmark.

Instead, they sit in a next best group of players who brought in a respectable but not eye-popping average of more than five points a match.

Nailing the right Liverpool player each Gameweek is tricky and the smart managers last season, like FPL winner Ben above, swerved them altogether.

We would be advised to follow this lead this season, particularly as the forthcoming campaign will see even more competition, with new winger Salah eager to take his share of points.

Having said that, I currently have Mane in my side, with his 9.5 price tag offering the flexibility to hop on an emerging premium midfield bandwagon.

But looking at those points per match figures, I may have just talked myself into ‘doing a Crabtree’.

Paul Says…

Having supplied six of the top 18 scoring FPL midfielders in 2016/17, Liverpool clearly offer a potent source of attacking points under Klopp.

The future of Coutinho may ultimately dictate how we assess the Merseysiders’ Fantasy appeal – if the Brazilian’s mooted move to Barcelona goes through, they will surely need to grab a similarly creative presence to compensate.

To me, Coutinho remains the man that makes Liverpool tick – in terms of frequency; he produced a shot (21.2 minutes) and key pass (34.5) quicker than any team-mate last term. If he stays, and remains injury-free, I’ll certainly be looking to acquire him.

Yet with so much uncertainty surrounding the South American, I currently have Salah as part of my midfield.

Four goals in pre-season not only highlights his form, it also indicates why the Egyptian’s pace will thrive in Liverpool’s 4-3-3 set-up.

In my opinion, Salah and Mane will be equally prolific over the season, yet the price difference of 9.0 to 9.5 is enough to sway me from the off. Meanwhile, Mane’s late return to action over the summer, after finally recovering from a knee problem, could also be a slight factor in the initial stages.

I’m not really into the idea of getting “coverage” of any given side and will have no qualms over opting for two Liverpool midfielders if their output and underlying stats merit it over the course of the campaign.

Mark Says…

I’m currently breaking the cardinal rule of Fantasy Football by backing Salah as my weapon of choice. The unknown quantity.

With the transfer speculation surrounding Coutinho, I’m not going near him for the time being. Firmino’s classification as a forward threw me somewhat and also jarred with my preferred setup of two big-hitters and a budget striker.

That currently leaves me choosing between Salah and Mane.

The latter is proven and, based on last season’s points per match averages, is the Reds midfielder most likely to deliver.

I also love Mane.

I will never forget his “supermarket sweep hat-trick” for Southampton that transformed my Saturday and, arguably, my season.

But Salah has seduced me. A similar option with explosive pace, the price difference and his pre-season form has swayed me. I see him as being more clinical and certainly, more creative.

I’m backing both Salah and Mane to be largely immune from Klopp’s rotation. I just see their pace become such integral weapons, Liverpool will become a blunt instrument without them.

I’ve had line-ups with them both but, with Harry Kane and Romelu Lukaku demanding our attention, that’s a big ask.

I’ll try again but, ultimately, it may just be Salah for me.

  1. Win'dian
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Real are champions of champions league, best football team on the planet by far, playing almost full strength, against United's make shift defence, leading only by an offside goal.
    Those who thought Utd with this team will do what barca and Bayern couldn't do it, you're most welcome. Get your teams United proof and brace yourself..

    1. Freddo
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      United are the Europa League, Charity Shield and League Cup treble winners.

      1. Win'dian
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Some Ronaldo guy is relaxing on the bench.

      1. Win'dian
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        That's what almost meant 🙂

      2. Freddo
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Some 80m striker is relaxing on the pitch.

        1. Win'dian
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Not any more..Rashford is on.

  2. JRO093
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Hegazi and Ritchie or Dawson and Mooy (or JWP/Van la Perra/Atsu/iwobi/gray/atsu etc)??

    1. arndff_
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Dawson+someone

  3. Freddo
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    The Pogba bandwagon is dieing a death tonight.

    1. Viiksisika
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Good for us better managers then 🙂

      1. _Freddo
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        The better managers won't be spending 8m on a glorified haircut.

  4. Darthshearer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    I picked this team a few weeks back. Been out of touch since due to work etc! Now I am panicking!

    Thoughts please

    Foster
    Cedric / Dawson / Bertrand
    Philips / Eriksen / Pogba / Zaha
    Firmino / Lukaku / Kane

    Coleman / Carroll / Lascelles / Mariappa

    1. arndff_
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Not a fan of double up Saints defence and the lack of City coverage. Ditch Pogba and try get KDB, for example.

  5. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    17 - Romelu Lukaku had the fewest touches of any outfield player in the first half of the supercup

    1. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Good job he's playign West Ham, Swansea and Leicester int he first 3 fixtures and not Real Madrid

      1. Smoky Johnson
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Will not be a cake walk if thats what you mean, and whoever teams have replaced have replaced him with might fair better.

        1. Smoky Johnson
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          *fare

        2. Bubz
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Well I dont think those three teams are quite at the best team in the world's level

    2. kalmoffit
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      He's used to it.

  6. AVIELD949
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Have Lukaku, no Kane

    A. Pogba, Willian
    B. JWP, Alli

    Thanks

    1. arndff_
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B

  7. 1justlookin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    what do you reckon will be bournemouths back 4?

    smith. cook. ake. daniels ?

    or will francis play?

    1. Legohair
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Smith play

    2. kalmoffit
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Mings could start

  8. Legohair
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Do i finally got it?!!?
    Foster
    Trippier-Kolasinac-Danilo-Cedric
    KdB-Zaha-Salah
    Lukaku-Kane-JRod

    Elliot,RLC,Carrol,Lascelles
    Good to go?

    1. Viiksisika
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Danilo is not nailed. Neither is Cedric, but maybe more likely. Trippier is injured atleast for GW1.

      1. Garth Marenghi
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Who would play instead of Danilo?

        1. Legohair
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          I guess mendy is not fit yet

          1. Garth Marenghi
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Right, so Danilo does play. It's when Mendy comes back it raises the question.

      2. Legohair
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Danilo for couple of weeks and if trippier is out,then i replace him with davies

    2. Vman
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Trippier is out!

  9. Chelsea222
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Alli and Carrol (starting)

    Or

    Willian and Zaha

    1. arndff_
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B

    2. Legohair
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B

    3. AJ24
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B

  10. The Tinkerman
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Just seen the team sheets from tonight. 4 at the back from United I guess.

    Putting me off Valencia. Wasn't really worth his price in a LWB role, not worth it for sure in 4 at the back. Might switch to DDG.

    1. The Tinkerman
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I suppose Darmian could be a CB with Lingard at LWB (should have said RWB in original post) and Valencia at RWB.

      Can anyone confirm?

      1. Viiksisika
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Fabregas and I'll confirm.

    2. Yav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Apparently its a back 5. I would argue that its a back 11.

      1. The Tinkerman
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Ill try to tune in to 2nd half. Hopefully Valencia is a wing back. Tough fixture to judge them off though, Real head and shoulders above anything in the PL.

    3. Cojiro
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Proves you need to watch the game. Valencia looking threatening

      1. The Tinkerman
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Hence why I'm asking people watching how they are lining up 😉 is he a wing back or in a back 4?

        1. Cojiro
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          looks like a back 4 to me

    4. _Greg
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      DDG best option, or just avoid altogether.

  11. Sims
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Apparently playing against the" best team in the world" gives u the license to be absolutely rubbsih

    1. FPL.team
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Certainly gives you the potential

  12. The Bandit
    • 15 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Aguero, Kane, Jesus is calling me 😉

    1. Yav
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      If only Pep loved Aguero like he loves Jesus...

      1. thepeen555
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Oh god yeah

    2. Sims
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      But lukaku is playing the best team in the world which means he will now score a brace vs whu

  13. Ode
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A) Yoshida & Mounie 3-4-3
    B) Bertrand & Ake 4-4-2

    1. arndff_
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

  14. Kroosin'
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    We shouldn't judge United players based on this performance. Tough fixture.

    But we should be concerned with their style of play. I don't think the attitude has changed much. It's more on the defensive side.

    But I think Lukaku ll be part of majority of United's goals even if they repeat their scoring record of last few seasons. Though United's style might kill him as a Captain option.

  15. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Looks like Rashford is coming on

    1. _Greg
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      best way for utd to escape the mourinho doldrums is through pace. finishes 2-0 madrid.

  16. MrFrodo
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    After lots of drafts this is my first post on here. I’m interested to see what people think. I've a gut feeling that Rashford could do well but I don’t see him in many other draft teams?

    Foster
    Stones, Daniels Valencia
    Ritchie, Salah, De Bruyne, Iwobi
    Jesus (C), Kane, Rashford

    Subs: Elliot, Carroll, Suttner, Long

  17. Oven Glover
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Jesus KDB Mane

    Or

    Kun Salah Eriksen/Alli

    1. MrFrodo
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I'd go with A

    2. RUUD!
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A all day

    3. arndff_
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Jesus Salah Eriksen

    4. AJ24
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

    5. FPL.team
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      B with Alli

    6. Oven Glover
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Currently on A. Cheers boys!

    7. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Jesus KDB Salah, unless you don't have any Spurs then Jesus Alli Salah

  18. eish
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts?
    A) Mee and Lukaku.
    or
    B)Vertonghen and Morata

    1. MrFrodo
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

    2. arndff_
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

    3. Klopptomist Scott Jelly
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

  19. RUUD!
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    If you had to put life savings on any prem team to win this weekend who would it be? Involved in a last man standing

    1. MrFrodo
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Man City

    2. twisterteo
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      City

    3. Sims
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      West ham

    4. Bubz
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Chelsea

    5. kalmoffit
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Liverpool keep tormenting Watford

      1. *Reformed-Character*
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Havnt Watford got a decent record against Liverpool ?

  20. Ricky - it doesn\'t ta…
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    albeit being real madrid this is putting me off lukaku and just thinking about going with mkhi instead

    1. thepeen555
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Just chill man

    2. FPL.team
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Do you make all life decisions this way.. :-/

      1. *Reformed-Character*
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        🙂 nice plum

  21. twisterteo
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Rank the top 4 teams for number of CS this season and the top 4 for goal scored. Imo:
    CS: City, Utd, Spurs, Chelsea
    Goals: City, Pool, Spurs, Chelsea

  22. Win'dian
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Rashford, Martial and Mourinho coming on for Lingard, Mkhi and Lindelof

  23. boombaba
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Yoshida or Cedric ?

    Mane or Ali ?

    1. arndff_
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yoshida,
      depends: do you have Kane?

      1. boombaba
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Yeah lol whoever doesn't has lost already

        1. *Reformed-Character*
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Nope

  24. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Lingard subbed

    1. thepeen555
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Stormzy on?

  25. AJ24
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    RMT please

    Foster
    Ake, Bailly, Stephens
    KDB, Alli, Fabregas, JWP
    Lukaku, Firmino, Jesus

    Elliot, T Carrol, Manquillo, Long

    Be brutal please...

  26. WHY ALWAYS MESUT?
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Just got some time for this, so it's a first draft team:

    Foster / Elliot
    Kolasinac / Cedric / Alonso / Walker-Pieters / Rangel
    Willian / KDB / Alli / Mkhitaryan / Carroll
    Jesus / Firmino / Chicharito

    Any ideas? Not so sold on this yet personally.

    1. AJ24
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Brave to go without Kane or Lukaku

      1. WHY ALWAYS MESUT?
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Yup, I'm not so sure on that. But then again, I don't know if they outscore the others enough to justify the additional price.

        Any ideas?

        1. AJ24
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Downgrade the defence. One premium defender and then perhaps a 5.5 or 5.0 defender to spruce up the front line.

          1. WHY ALWAYS MESUT?
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 9 months ago

            Yup, so even if I do Alonso -> 5.0, it gives me 2 mil.

            Not sure there's many upgrades at 10.5m (Firmino being upgraded) or 9m (Chicha).

    2. Vman
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      That defence is worth a lot of money which could be spent upgrading your front line.

      1. WHY ALWAYS MESUT?
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Sure - who would you downgrade / who would you upgrade?

    3. Vman
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      And slightly more that 100m

      1. WHY ALWAYS MESUT?
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        No, that's a 100m team.

  27. Vman
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    How is DDG looking, leave alone or essential for start of FPL. I already have him in my team.

  28. Alan Hansen's Emu
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Hi everyone,

    My first question of the season. Which do you prefer:

    A) Ritchie + Puncheon

    B) Redmond + Loftus-Cheek

    1. arndff_
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      a)

  29. trollelu trollkaku
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    feed the trolls

  30. bojack
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Tuesday night Five Live around the grounds.

    I've missed this 😀