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8 August 2017 3515 comments
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The tyranny of choice was never greater than when considering the Liverpool midfield.

Jurgen Klopp has an abundance of talent at his disposal, and that wealth is creating an almighty headache for us Fantasy managers.

It seems highly likely that there will be points aplenty to be had from Reds midfielders this season, but which ones will start consistently? And will any be considered undroppable, particularly with Champions League rotation to be considered as well?

The fact that key assets have now also been reclassified for this season’s Fantasy Premier League game should have decluttered the issue but has actually clouded things even further, as we shall see below.

We canvas the opinion of some leading Fantasy Premier League managers and Fantasy Football Scout staff to ask for their verdict on the third of this season’s Burning Questions: Who is the solution to the Liverpool midfield conundrum?

Ben Crabtree (Reigning FPL Champion & Liverpoolphobe) Says…

Hmm, Liverpool…

Last season they offered numerous options, and the headache may be further enhanced this season. The safe bets look like Philippe Coutinho – if he stays – and Sadio Mane, although Coutinho may play in a slightly less points-effective position with the arrival of Mohamed Salah.

Salah himself has had a great pre-season and could do better than the same-priced Coutinho, although he would have been more tempting at 0.5 less. Then there’s Adam Lallana and Georginio Wijnaldum, who both clocked up respectable scores and could prove great value, as well as being differentials.

Lallana, at 7.5, has potential for big Gameweeks but is a greater injury and rotation risk than Wijnaldum who casually hit 149 last season. A repeat would prove very acceptable at 7.0.

Overall, I think with Liverpool’s midfield; you get what you pay for. If you want a higher probability of output, then you have to pay more. If you have one, you may have to ride out some lean spells while others score heavily, but I think they’ll all run in cycles and your choice will eventually reward you.

They’ll likely all score well for their prices, and the best option will probably be different for each quarter of the season.

If the headache is too great then don’t pick any. It’s not necessarily a bad move…

Simon March (FPL Champion 2014/15) Says…

If you believe the back pages, this is a conundrum that is increasingly close to being solved for us, particularly if Coutinho does complete his much-rumoured move to the Camp Nou.

The speculation alone rules him out as an option for me, at least until the transfer window shuts. In my view, that leaves Mane and Salah as the main prospects.

As impressive as Salah has been in pre-season, I think Mane wins out for two reasons. Firstly, he’s a tried-and-trusted FPL performer, tallying double-figures for goals scored in each of his three Premier League seasons and with plenty of assists to boot. He seems to get better and better.

Secondly, at 9.5, he is slightly more expensive than Salah at 9.0. That might sound a little counter-intuitive, but it means Mane is an easy downgrade should Salah start firing or, alternatively, allows a straight swap for the likes of Dele Alli and Christian Eriksen, who are also both 9.5.

Given that Liverpool’s opposition toughens considerably from Gameweek 3, whereas Spurs’ fixtures appear to ease up, that’s an option Fantasy managers who are backing Liverpool midfield assets might want to have ready in their back pockets.

Peter Kouwenberg (Current Hall of Fame #1) Says…

To death and taxes can be added a third certainty in life: picking the one barren Liverpool midfielder as the others claim a bumper haul (typically away against Arsenal, rather than home to Southampton, just to rub salt into the wound).

This season, with increased risk of rotation, it won’t get any easier.

Mane is back from his lay-off and new boy Salah has been tearing up pre-season. There are even a few under the radar strikers who could wipe the iridescent smile off reclassified striker Roberto Firmino’s face from time to time, as Jürgen Klopp fights on four fronts this season.

When plagued with seemingly impossible questions, I invariably turn to the Book of Paddy for inspiration. Here, we find the Golden Boot odds favour Mane, followed by Firmino and finally Salah, though the margins between the three are fairly narrow – particularly when you consider the cost differences in FPL and Firmino’s positional point penalty.

With assists also factored in, Coutinho could just as easily top the billing by the end of the season. Thanks, Paddy…

So for those who seek to take advantage of Liverpool’s reasonable open fixtures, avoid the reticent ‘wait and see’ approach and don’t own a four-sided dice from those glorious childhood days playing Dungeons and Dragons, I would plump for Salah.

That said, I challenge anyone to list the order in which those four players will finish for points by the end of the season. Crystal balls at the ready, now.

Uwais Ahmed (FPL Runner-up 2016/17) Says…

At the time of writing this, Coutinho remains a Liverpool player.

However, if he did move on to pastures new at Barcelona, this would change the dynamic significantly – they will look to replace him in the squad with someone of similar ilk, so we will have to keep an eye on that.

At the start of last season, Coutinho, Firmino and Mane were all viable candidates for a slot in our midfield. However, doubling up from one team on midfield assets always leaves you a little compromised as there are so many other attractive midfield options from other teams.

Therefore, doubling up on Liverpool assets this season will be a lot easier because Firmino is now classified as a striker, which will allow us to have coverage of other Premier League teams.

Personally, I feel Jurgen Klopp will settle in the long-term on Lallana playing in the double pivot, with Mane, Salah, Coutinho (if he stays) and Firmino occupying the front four slots.

With Lallana being ruled out through injury for two to three months, Jurgen Klopp has talked up the idea of James Milner occupying a midfield role.

Ironically, this changes things up from last season when he played for Liverpool as a left-back but was classed as a midfielder in FPL yet this season, he is classed as a defender (albeit an expensive one), but will probably play in central midfield.

I like Mane, personally, because I believe he has the potential for explosive returns and last season, he was atop the points per match statistic for Liverpool.

One other factor to definitely bear in mind is that penalty duties may well be up for grabs. I would give strong consideration to that player for this added value.

Firmino has taken a penalty in pre-season, but there is no real confirmation as of yet on this point.

Jonty Says…

Search by points per match for last season on the FPL transfer page and the evidence that Liverpool midfielders share points is there in black and white.

While Arsenal’s Alexis Sanchez, Chelsea’s Eden Hazard and Spurs duo Alli and Eriksen broke the six points per match barrier, Liverpool’s Mane, Coutinho and Firmino all failed to reach this landmark.

Instead, they sit in a next best group of players who brought in a respectable but not eye-popping average of more than five points a match.

Nailing the right Liverpool player each Gameweek is tricky and the smart managers last season, like FPL winner Ben above, swerved them altogether.

We would be advised to follow this lead this season, particularly as the forthcoming campaign will see even more competition, with new winger Salah eager to take his share of points.

Having said that, I currently have Mane in my side, with his 9.5 price tag offering the flexibility to hop on an emerging premium midfield bandwagon.

But looking at those points per match figures, I may have just talked myself into ‘doing a Crabtree’.

Paul Says…

Having supplied six of the top 18 scoring FPL midfielders in 2016/17, Liverpool clearly offer a potent source of attacking points under Klopp.

The future of Coutinho may ultimately dictate how we assess the Merseysiders’ Fantasy appeal – if the Brazilian’s mooted move to Barcelona goes through, they will surely need to grab a similarly creative presence to compensate.

To me, Coutinho remains the man that makes Liverpool tick – in terms of frequency; he produced a shot (21.2 minutes) and key pass (34.5) quicker than any team-mate last term. If he stays, and remains injury-free, I’ll certainly be looking to acquire him.

Yet with so much uncertainty surrounding the South American, I currently have Salah as part of my midfield.

Four goals in pre-season not only highlights his form, it also indicates why the Egyptian’s pace will thrive in Liverpool’s 4-3-3 set-up.

In my opinion, Salah and Mane will be equally prolific over the season, yet the price difference of 9.0 to 9.5 is enough to sway me from the off. Meanwhile, Mane’s late return to action over the summer, after finally recovering from a knee problem, could also be a slight factor in the initial stages.

I’m not really into the idea of getting “coverage” of any given side and will have no qualms over opting for two Liverpool midfielders if their output and underlying stats merit it over the course of the campaign.

Mark Says…

I’m currently breaking the cardinal rule of Fantasy Football by backing Salah as my weapon of choice. The unknown quantity.

With the transfer speculation surrounding Coutinho, I’m not going near him for the time being. Firmino’s classification as a forward threw me somewhat and also jarred with my preferred setup of two big-hitters and a budget striker.

That currently leaves me choosing between Salah and Mane.

The latter is proven and, based on last season’s points per match averages, is the Reds midfielder most likely to deliver.

I also love Mane.

I will never forget his “supermarket sweep hat-trick” for Southampton that transformed my Saturday and, arguably, my season.

But Salah has seduced me. A similar option with explosive pace, the price difference and his pre-season form has swayed me. I see him as being more clinical and certainly, more creative.

I’m backing both Salah and Mane to be largely immune from Klopp’s rotation. I just see their pace become such integral weapons, Liverpool will become a blunt instrument without them.

I’ve had line-ups with them both but, with Harry Kane and Romelu Lukaku demanding our attention, that’s a big ask.

I’ll try again but, ultimately, it may just be Salah for me.

  1. mohanad
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    What seems better?
    A) Coutinho/Salah + 0 itb
    or
    B) Zaha + 2 mil itb to upgrade 5mil def -> 6mil and/or upgrade JWP

  2. Lsplayer
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Which combo :
    A) KDB , Lukaku , J rodriguez
    B) lacaztte , JesuS , willian

    1. Lawrø
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A)

      Everyone's going to captain Lukaku in GW1, at the very least you need him in your squad.

    2. DrunkPhilosophy
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A

    3. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A + Willian

  3. Bambi
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Is the defence too lightweight?

    Elliot - Speroni
    Bailly Cedric Francis Suttner Long
    KdB Mane Zaha Fraser Carroll
    Kane Jesus Firmino

    1. Scapegoat Salah
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No but needs some Kaku lovin in there

    2. DrunkPhilosophy
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yes maybe Salah for Mane and Baily to Bertrand then you have 1 mil to upgrade goalie and Francis to Ake/Daniels?

  4. The Royal Robin
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts on this?

    DDG
    Walker Stephens Dawson Kola
    Zaha Redmond Willian
    Jesus Lukaku Kane

    (Elliot TC Chalobah Long)

    1. AJ24
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Downgrade GK and defenders and strengthen thag midfield!!

    2. DrunkPhilosophy
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      DDG --> Foster , Redmond --> Zaha ?

      1. The Royal Robin
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        I've got Zaha.

        1. DrunkPhilosophy
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          I just dont trust Redmond to deliver.

      2. DrunkPhilosophy
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Never mind just saw Zaha lol

    3. Scapegoat Salah
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Love the big 3 up top. Would want some pool in there, perhaps downgrade GK and def a little to improve midfield as AJ24 said

  5. Oh Mane Mane
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    RMT

    Foster (Elliot)
    Cedric Daniels Kolasinac (Rangel) (Hunemeir)
    Salah Willian Alli KDB RLC
    Kane Lacazette (Quaner)

  6. DA Minnion (Former great)
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Quick poll lads.
    Alonso or not .

    1. Scapegoat Salah
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yes

    2. AJ24
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Not for me

    3. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Chelsea's 3-4-3 has been found out. They barely kept any clean sheets in the second half of the season.

    4. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Nope

    5. IN SANE IN DE BRUYNE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yes. Every formation I've tried w/o him did not feel right

    6. Dee Lixon
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Not

  7. Stat Sloth
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    My burning question is more like this;

    Will the incoming Lemina in Saints midfield push JWP off the throne as the main 5.0-6.0 midfield target?

    1. Lawrø
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Since when was JWP the main 5-6m midfield target? Feel like I've missed a crap bandwagon 😀

      1. Stat Sloth
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        You obviously have ^_^ He was my main man, and my third midfield pick, at least.

    2. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Lemina can play almost everywhere, I doubt the intent is that he comes in and pushes out a very promising young english player.

      1. Scapegoat Salah
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        This

        1. Stat Sloth
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          The fact that he is English is irrelevant for this discussion, as the manager is non-English and will pick the best team regardless of nationality.

          Lemina is mainly a CM, a position I guess most people would pick for JWP this season as well?

    3. suddenorgan
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      no he'll be in one of the two DM slots

      1. Stat Sloth
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        If Lemina takes up a DM slot, where do you think the starter slot for JWP is? AM? Isn't that the perfect Tadic spot?

  8. JimmyB
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone think Charlie Taylor will start at Burnley?

  9. Numb
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Part 2 of "why is nobody picking"....

    Scott Dann?

    1. fedolefan
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I have.

    2. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Hmmmm interesting

    3. Scapegoat Salah
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Daniels, Cedric, rest of Southampton defense etc at 5.0

    4. Cpt Crunch Scott talent
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Got him.
      Will then shift to an Everton when fixtures turn.

    5. FPL Blow-In
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Went with PVA

    6. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Had him in some drafts. Not sure what Palace will be like though (defensively). Wait and see for me.

  10. COLLIN QUANER
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    How much game time will Aguero get this season?

    1. salazar1963
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Enough to bag 18 plus

    2. Lawrø
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      2882 minutes

      1. Scapegoat Salah
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        This

    3. The Wise Owl
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Fair share with Jesus

  11. Forza Papac
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Who's most likely to start at LWB for Arsenal?

    1. salazar1963
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      You can't say

    2. Scapegoat Salah
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Kolasinac

    3. The Wise Owl
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Goalisinac

    4. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      The Beast

  12. FPL Virgin
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Quick Poll:

    Are you starting Tom Carrol?

    A) Yes
    B) No

    1. ooooo
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      At he moment No could change thougj

    2. salazar1963
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No. Bench fodder

    3. AJ24
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No- bench

    4. Scapegoat Salah
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No, 2nd on bench. Though debating whether I should start him ahead of Milivojevic

    5. Lawrø
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I'm starting with him but not starting him... so I think that's B?

      1. FPL Virgin
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        The poll is only open to members.

    6. RFitz
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      1st on bench~

    7. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Bench

    8. Badger Badger Mushroom Mush…
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yes, in a 352

    9. King Klopp
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No

  13. RFitz
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    How's this looking?

    DDG (Elliot)
    Kolasinac Cedric Ake TAA (Suttner)
    Redmond Willian KDB Salah (Carrol)
    Kane Lukaku (Quaner)

  14. Depleda
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Thoughts please

    Foster
    Walker Ake Yoshida
    Ince De Bruyne Miki Zaha
    Hernandez Lukaku Kane

    Myhill
    Manquillo
    4.0
    Carroll

  15. Weasel Boy
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Is RLC still an option?

    1. ooooo
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Prefer Carroll over him and white kike Chalobah too

      1. ooooo
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        *also like

    2. salazar1963
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      No.

    3. Lawrø
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Yes, a relatively dead one at the moment

    4. Weasel Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Thanks all

    5. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Not really sure what the fuss is but keeping an eye on him. I've got Zaha anyway.

  16. Birds of Prey
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    I'm still not set in the back. Any reason not to prefer Stephens over Yosh Ced?
    Per mins Bonus/YCs best.

    1. salazar1963
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Playing time

      1. Birds of Prey
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Who would start over Stephens? Targett?

  17. Optic1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Anyone still lumping on Austin?

    1. salazar1963
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Erm. No

    2. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Nope. Looks like Gabbi may start.

    3. Jazz!
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Why would you do that

  18. McNulty
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Are hot topics and recent comments not loading for everyone else?

  19. IWR
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    PVA the perfect placeholder for Trippier? Loves a 15 pointer.

    1. MartialMatas
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      tempting but there's a few good options around at 5.5

    2. salazar1963
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Mightn't play every week with that Schlupp dude ?

    3. FPL Virgin
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Isn't Ben Davies the perfect placeholder?

      1. IWR
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        You taking Davies. I figure Trip will be back in a couple of weeks so I'm putting a fair bit of emphasis on GW1. Don't really fancy Spurs to keep a clean tbh.

    4. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Huddersfield home first game does look tasty...

  20. MartialMatas
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    What do you think of this lot?

    Bit worried about Atsu

    Begovic Elliot
    Darmian Bavies Cedric Mee Long
    KDB Mkhitaryan Zaha Atsu Carroll
    Kane Lukaku Firmino

  21. Viiksisika
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Now this is it:

    Foster | Elliot
    Alonso | Valencia | Kolasinac | Cedric | Long
    KDB | Eriksen | Pogba | Fabregas | Carroll
    Lacazette | Firmino | McBurnie

  22. fatboyjim
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Aguero, Alonso and Abraham

    or

    Jesus, Lindelof and Firmino

    (this is without Kane)

    1. ooooo
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Need...more....Kane

      Jk I'd say B but someone else other than Lindelof

      1. fatboyjim
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Jesus, Firmino and Ben Davies?

    2. MartialMatas
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Lindelof won't start

    3. AJ24
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Dislike the Alonso or Lindelof options.

      1. fatboyjim
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        Any recommendations? I'm at a bit of a loss with my defence.

        1. AJ24
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 9 months ago

          Bertrand
          5.0 options, Daniels, Ake, Yoshi, Stephens

  23. dunas_dog
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    A Jesus Mane or
    B. KDB Firmino

    1. owls on the up
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      A looks more explosive

      1. Scapegoat Salah
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 9 months ago

        This

    2. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      I have B

  24. JimmyB
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Lewis Cook could be a good £4.5 mil option

    1. Gazpilicueta
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      could well be....

    2. Boydinho
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      There are plenty that will play this year. Cork, Romeu, Carroll, Chalobah, Loftus-Cheek, Mesa etc.

    3. Optic1
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Agreed. Just not sure on paying time for the moment. One to watch but Carroll still the safer initial bet.

    4. Weasel Boy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      He played much pre season?

  25. Gazpilicueta
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Any thoughts on my team?

    DDG
    Alonso, Stephens, Daniels
    KDB, Willian, Ritchie, Milijovic
    Kane, Lukaku, Firmino
    Elliot, Carroll, Mee, 4.0

    Im thinking about maybe getting rid of DDG, cos hes so expensive and putting the money into midfield somewhere, not sure where tho. also a bit of me wants Jesus.

    1. Galza
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Nice team

  26. RVP20
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    RMT

    Foster (Elliott)
    Danilo - Daniels - Yoshida (Suttner - Long)
    KDB - Salah - Zaha - Willian (Carroll)
    Lukaku - Kane - JRod

  27. popcoin
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    United's starting defence against WHU?

    Valencia Smalling Bailly Darmian?

  28. GinjaWhinja
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Best 4.0m defender?

    1. salazar1963
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      There's none really..just fodder

    2. MANGE TOUT RODNEY
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 9 months ago

      Anyone but Rangel

  29. bojack
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    The Trippier and Cook injuries are very annoying.

  30. Lav
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 9 months ago

    Quick need help here, Fantasy Draft...

    Mirallas, Stanislas, Ince, or Walters