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22 December 2017 943 comments
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If there are any Fantasy rules etched in stone beyond the obvious ‘N’Golo Kante is that cheap for a reason’ and ‘Dusan Tadic is a troll’, then ‘don’t spend any more than you have to on keepers’ is one of the timeless classics.

Goalkeepers are the runts in the scoring litter, frequently used as financial pawns in transfer transactions much further up the pitch, with only the occasional penalty save or a wild and one-off performance bringing in a tally close to double-figures.

If free-scoring forwards and attacking midfielders are Fantasy royalty, keepers are the lowest and least acknowledged subjects of them all.

This season, however, there is a sniff of revolution in the air.

Man United’s David De Gea has not so much bucked all the trends as completely re-fashioned them. Only four Fantasy Premier League players are currently outscoring him and, despite being the most expensive stopper in the game, just two players (both fellow keepers) offer better value.

Have we too easily dismissed De Gea based on price and if so, is it not time we reconsidered and elevated his status as a key target?

Mark joins Career Hall of Fame luminaries Jay Egersdorff and Peter Kouwenberg and last season’s top two FPL managers Ben Crabtree and Uwais Ahmed in answering our latest Burning Question:  Is it wrong to overlook David De Gea?

Uwais Says…

The Manchester United stopper is atop the goalkeeper rankings for points and second in the rankings for saves made for the season, with 70.

To put that second figure into context, you have to go all the way down to 12th to find the next goalkeeper from the ‘big six’ Premier League teams – Thibaut Courtois, on 39 saves.

It’s rare to find a goalkeeper from one of the bigger teams so high in the saves category.

However, if you consider that as a basic rule you want coverage from all teams with good clean sheet potential as well as those with possible attacking returns, I cannot see how opting for De Gea is the wrong move.

His value for the season sees him sit in the top three for all goalkeepers.

Man United do not have consistent attacking returns from anybody other than Romelu Lukaku (and possibly recently Jesse Lingard), so your faith in Man United will be restricted to their defence, maybe even doubling up on their assets at the back.

With assurance of starts and saves potential, as we saw in the match at the Emirates Stadium against Arsenal, De Gea can be potentially fielded in every single fixture.

That means you can opt for the cheapest possible second goalkeeper, giving you greater freedom when putting the rest of your defence together.

Peter Says…

David De Gea epitomises my poor judgement this season.

Nineteen points in his first three matches were not enough to save him from my early Wildcard chop and, though Phil Jones garnished points for a time, Ben Foster and Rob Elliot proved perpetual paupers to the Spanish prince.

Defensive cover from a United team which has already shut out their opponents ten times is vital.

De Gea’s reliability of starts is a huge advantage, but his save tally of 70 (just two short of Lukasz Fabianski) is a surprising cherry on the cake and one which implies a defensive frailty which must be the stuff of José Mourinho’s nightmares.

The Spaniard still trails Fabianski and Nick Pope for value, virtually the only black mark against his name and at 5.4, Phil Jones and Chris Smalling should both come close to matching their keeper’s score.

One could also argue that a Nick Pope & Jones combination has as much potential as, say, de Gea & James Tomkins at the same price of 10.2.

But overall, installing De Gea as the ultimate “fire and forget” stopper is a superb move, either in combination with another United backline member or alongside one of the ever-growing list of emerging budget defenders.

Jay Says…

I’ve gone full circle on my goalkeeper strategy with the form this guy has been showing this season.

Usually, I look at having two budget-priced keepers but with De Gea’s certainty of pitch-time in an otherwise rotation-threatened Man United defence, coupled with his amazing form, I took the decision last week to bring him into my team.

He’s also got some brilliant short/medium-term fixtures too.

The most attractive feature is his amazing value for money – he has more points than Harry Kane yet comes at a fraction of the price.

With the injury to Antonio Valencia, uncertainty over Jones’ fitness reliability and question marks over the certainty of the remaining slots in the Man United defence, the fact that De Gea is nailed-on suggests to me that it makes sense to have him in your squad.

And if that troubles your budget, consider a cheaper yet in-form defender to balance the books. One of the Burnley guys could be a great makeweight.

Ben Says…

At the start of an FPL season, I don’t even entertain the idea of spending more than 5.0 on a goalkeeper.

Ninety-nine De Gea points later and it’s clear this was the season to figure out that stingy Mourinho defence + the brilliant De Gea > 4.5 + 4.0.

I did come close to rectifying this mistake two Gameweeks ago when I had the luxury of two free transfers and money in my back pocket.

As has happened before, an Alvaro Morata injury threw my initial plans and I decided to jump on the Pope-mobile, whilst using the rest of my pennies to switch Morata to Lukaku.

In the two Gameweeks since Pope has been between the sticks, he’s outscored De Gea – 17 to 14 points. Short-term success!

Despite Elliot’s quick return to the starting line-up, Newcastle are starting to look like Sunderland, so an upgrade to Adrian will allow me to continue ignoring De Gea.

An Adrian and Pope combo looks good for the short term, but there could be an issue when Tom Heaton comes back from injury.

Phil Jones might be my ‘no Man Utd defence’ remedy, but I’m not sure he’ll play all of the next matches and feel his injury record always makes him a shortish-term option.

For now though, if it is wrong to overlook De Gea then I’m stubbornly sticking with being wrong.

Mark Says…

In terms of talent and Fantasy Premier League points, there seems no argument – De Gea is the best solution in goal.

However, that only tells half the story.

Burnley’s Pope’s is the key factor. He matches De Gea for points per match (5.5) and betters him for points per million (17.1 vs 16.8). That’s vital in this position.

There are also other variables to consider, not least the worrying defensive statistics that United are logging.

In the last four Gameweeks, Jose Mourinho’s defence has conceded more shots on target (33) than any other side. Yes, they’ve played rivals City in that period, but even if you extend things out to six matches (when other sides also have City as an opponent), United still rank second from bottom.

De Gea isn’t getting protected. That’s helping him produce save points and even bonus but, if that continues, the clean sheets will carry on taking a dent.

United have kept just two in eight Gameweeks, so covering their defence doesn’t appear “essential”, particularly if, as anticipated, Mourinho’s first choice centre-backs will be rotated at this time.

Then we have to consider that, come Gameweek 22, we will likely want Adrian for cover of West Ham’s two fixtures.

If you already own De Gea, that means that your total spend on a keeper at that time will be around the 10.0+ (currently 10.2).

By contrast, Pope and Adrian as a pair – who rotate superbly to better even De Gea’s fixtures – will set you back 9.1 right now. Interestingly, that duo are ranked first and third for save percentage, with the United man the meat in the sandwich.

So with Pope and Adrian, we can save a million, have stronger fixtures, cover the double Gameweek and, based on current data, you’d have two keepers getting better protection but matching De Gea’s potential for saves when called upon.

We just need Tom Heaton to bide his time with his recovery.

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  1. acidicleo
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Who will score more over next 3 game weeks?

    A) Lukaku = lei + BUR + SOU
    B) Morata = Blank + BRI + STK + 4 to 7 points (4 minus points and minimum 2 to 3 points from bench on GW19 from RLC v SWA)

    1. Pranav Santhosh
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Lukaku

    2. GE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      B

    3. Fpl Richie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      It's very close. I'd lean towards a save.

    4. acidicleo
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      cheers all...i think i will save..
      i have DDG and Jones..So wud leave 3rd united spot for pogback if needed!!

  2. nadman89
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    All I need to know : is aguero nailed to start tomorrow ?

    1. Chris_White
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Can't see how he wouldn't be.

    2. Captain Haddock
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Not nailed but should play

    3. HamezMace
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      No Man City forward is ever nailed to play any game, ever.

    4. Lemongrab
      • 16 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      It's pep so nothing is 100% but with Jesus playing 120 minutes midweek he's surely going to start

    5. El_Shaw
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Still the risk he only plays 60 minutes though.

    6. EmreCan Hustle
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      No one knows, but Jesus played 120 mins midweek.

  3. machickenz
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Bench order and captaincy? G2G?

    Courtois
    Alonso Otamendi Jones Naughton
    Hazard(c) Salah Sterling(vc) RLC
    Kane Firmino

    Sub: Elliot DCL Cork Mbemba

    1. Eddie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Yes

    2. Captain Haddock
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      I would captain Sterling

  4. jpb333
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Have no Man City players.. Morata to aguero (c) -4 or leave and captain Kane ?

    1. Captain Haddock
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      I would probably leave

      1. jpb333
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        thanks. getting twitchy about trusting Kane !

    2. Monkey Hanger
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Aguero is 4/9 to score tomorrow. Shortest price of anyone. Bring him in.

      1. jpb333
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        hmmm, it's tough. Morata's next two look tasty but some Man City coverage probably trumps that i guess?

  5. Chris_White
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Start Gomes or Speroni?

    I'm leaning towards the Palace man tbh

    1. Rik Waller
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Yeh Brighton more likely to score than Swansea, I think

    2. Captain Haddock
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Speroni

    3. acidicleo
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      speroni

  6. Fpl Richie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Pope (Elliott)
    Ogbonna Christensen Jones (Kenny Duffy*)
    Salah Sterling (c) Hazard Richarlison RLC
    Kane Austin (Morata*)
    0.8itb 1ft

    A) Good to go?
    B) Take the plunge and use the Morata funds to beef up attack.

    1. acidicleo
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      A
      I got the same midfield and cap..;)

  7. Captain Haddock
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    My team (WC):

    DDG - Elliot
    Otamendi - Christensen - Gomez - Dunk - Ogbonna
    Hazard - KDB - Salah - Sterling - Pogba
    Firmino - DLC - Quaner

    0.5 ITB

    It is quite heavy on midfield and weak upfront but I feel like I am ready to go. Anything obvious to reconsider?

  8. HurriKane
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Anyone else in a similar situation ? 😀

    Got 3 of my attacker against 3 of my defenders this gw

    Kane vs Mee
    Richarlison vs Dunk
    RLC vs Naughton

  9. Jayben23
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Silva to

    1. Pogba
    2. Sane ( I have sterling)
    3. Who????

    1. Eddie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      2

    2. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      2

    3. YouReds
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      2

  10. Eddie
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 13 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Need some sage advice; who to play of:

    1. DCL (che)
    2. Naughton (CRY)
    3. Quaner(sou)

    Thanks

    1. YouReds
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      tempted to play Quaner out of those

      1. Eddie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        He's my last choice. If he starts he looks good, but he may only get 5 mins.

    2. Rik Waller
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Goes well with pork

      1. Eddie
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Ah, thanks but I'm vegetarian.

    3. Captain Haddock
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      1

  11. YouReds
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Good to save a FT here? Plan is to downgrade a defender and upgrade Niasse / Mbemba in the next week or two.

    DDG
    Christensen Jones Otimendi
    Salah Hazard Stirling Richarlison RLC
    Kane Firmino

    Elliot Monreal Niasse Mbemba

    1. Jayben23
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Awesome team

      1. YouReds
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        thanks!
        maybe a good starting 11/12 but Niasse and Mbemba worry me!

    2. Dsmythy
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      I'd save it. Risk you might get stung with your bench. But good to have the extra freebie incase your team suddenly all get injured.

  12. Stats Don\'t Lie
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    What to do here guys? Already taken a (-4) but still not sure on my team. Got 0.6itb

    Gomes
    Alonso, Otamendi, mee, gomez
    Hazard, salah, coutinho, Sterling(c), richarlison
    Austin(vc)

    Elliott, dcl, morata, duffy

    1. AnderEstimatedHerrera
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      no more hits, gtg

  13. Mackans
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    PICK ONE to start in my draft team

    A: Christensen (eve) (already starting Azpilueta)
    B: Jesus (BOU) (Uncertain about his start)

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      A

    2. Prison Mike
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      A

    3. YouReds
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      A

    4. Eddie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 13 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Christensen, but it could bite you if Jesus gets any minutes at all.

    5. acidicleo
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      A

  14. Prison Mike
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Who scores more this GW?

    A) Aguero (-4)

    B) Quaner

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      A

    2. Weeb Kakashi
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Ofcourse A if he starts.
      Do you think he does?

      1. Prison Mike
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Should imagine so since Jesus played 120 mins but it's pep so who knows...

  15. Venom Snake
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Play Ryan or Speroni?

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Speroni

  16. Weeb Kakashi
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Pick one

    A Hazard > Sane and Captain Kane
    B Kane> Kun(C)

    Need Some City attack.

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      B

    2. ==rvn10==
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Neither imo just hold tight for now. Sterling surely if you need city cover!

  17. Mackans
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    PICK ONE to start

    A Kenny (CHE)
    B Quaner (sou)

    1. Squashed
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      B

  18. Chris_White
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Son -> Sane -4 not worth it, right?

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Hmmm, could be

    2. GE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Wouldn't risk that..

  19. Melania
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Mee or Niasse ahead on the bench?

    1. Squashed
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Mee

  20. fedolefan
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    KDB Sterling or Pogba is just doing my head in.

    1. GE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Kdb and Sterling

      1. fedolefan
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Own Sane

  21. Homo Neanderthalensis
    • 12 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Will Kolasinac play tonight?

    1. GE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      50/50

    2. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Don't think so

    3. Squashed
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      No clue from presser?

      1. Homo Neanderthalensis
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Not at all.

  22. GE
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Love my bench 😉

    Hennessey, Niasse, Morata*, Duffy*

  23. Rainer
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Start DCL (CHE) or RLC (swa)?

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Rlc

    2. acidicleo
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      rlc

  24. Tabbara
    • 9 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Which option is better
    A:Gray and Sane/Coutinho for RLC and Morata(-4)
    B:Gray and Pogba for RLC and Morata(-4)
    C:Save FT and play dcl and RLC
    Thx

  25. arndff_
    • 14 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    I’m a DDG owner since GW1. Should I keep him? I’m currently on a WC.

    1. GE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Keep

    2. Squashed
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Yes unless u need the funds elsewhere?

    3. Stoic
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Keep

  26. Big baller
    • 8 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Rich to Sane worth a transfer. Or should I save the ft?

    1. GE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      I would do it

  27. Teror
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Rooney looks like a good long-term choice but getting him in for a hit this week might not be advisable. Thoughts?

    1. acidicleo
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      tough few fixtures coming up...

  28. McSauce
    • 16 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Is silva out?

    1. G-Whizz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      "I don't know, I don't know."

  29. soup natsi
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Gundogan (C) in for Choupo. Let's go.

    1. Stats Don\'t Lie
      • 11 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Gundogan played 120 midweek and 83 vs spurs. Reckon yaya will be the one to start if anything

      1. GENERATION X
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Decent point that...

    2. Fpl Richie
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Sorely tempted to do RLC to Gundo myself. But will he play?

  30. as33
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Silva>Pogba and who to captain Hazard or Kane, ATM Hazard

    1. AnderEstimatedHerrera
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      without Morata is a bit risky. Would go for Kane