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22 December 2017 943 comments
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If there are any Fantasy rules etched in stone beyond the obvious ‘N’Golo Kante is that cheap for a reason’ and ‘Dusan Tadic is a troll’, then ‘don’t spend any more than you have to on keepers’ is one of the timeless classics.

Goalkeepers are the runts in the scoring litter, frequently used as financial pawns in transfer transactions much further up the pitch, with only the occasional penalty save or a wild and one-off performance bringing in a tally close to double-figures.

If free-scoring forwards and attacking midfielders are Fantasy royalty, keepers are the lowest and least acknowledged subjects of them all.

This season, however, there is a sniff of revolution in the air.

Man United’s David De Gea has not so much bucked all the trends as completely re-fashioned them. Only four Fantasy Premier League players are currently outscoring him and, despite being the most expensive stopper in the game, just two players (both fellow keepers) offer better value.

Have we too easily dismissed De Gea based on price and if so, is it not time we reconsidered and elevated his status as a key target?

Mark joins Career Hall of Fame luminaries Jay Egersdorff and Peter Kouwenberg and last season’s top two FPL managers Ben Crabtree and Uwais Ahmed in answering our latest Burning Question:  Is it wrong to overlook David De Gea?

Uwais Says…

The Manchester United stopper is atop the goalkeeper rankings for points and second in the rankings for saves made for the season, with 70.

To put that second figure into context, you have to go all the way down to 12th to find the next goalkeeper from the ‘big six’ Premier League teams – Thibaut Courtois, on 39 saves.

It’s rare to find a goalkeeper from one of the bigger teams so high in the saves category.

However, if you consider that as a basic rule you want coverage from all teams with good clean sheet potential as well as those with possible attacking returns, I cannot see how opting for De Gea is the wrong move.

His value for the season sees him sit in the top three for all goalkeepers.

Man United do not have consistent attacking returns from anybody other than Romelu Lukaku (and possibly recently Jesse Lingard), so your faith in Man United will be restricted to their defence, maybe even doubling up on their assets at the back.

With assurance of starts and saves potential, as we saw in the match at the Emirates Stadium against Arsenal, De Gea can be potentially fielded in every single fixture.

That means you can opt for the cheapest possible second goalkeeper, giving you greater freedom when putting the rest of your defence together.

Peter Says…

David De Gea epitomises my poor judgement this season.

Nineteen points in his first three matches were not enough to save him from my early Wildcard chop and, though Phil Jones garnished points for a time, Ben Foster and Rob Elliot proved perpetual paupers to the Spanish prince.

Defensive cover from a United team which has already shut out their opponents ten times is vital.

De Gea’s reliability of starts is a huge advantage, but his save tally of 70 (just two short of Lukasz Fabianski) is a surprising cherry on the cake and one which implies a defensive frailty which must be the stuff of José Mourinho’s nightmares.

The Spaniard still trails Fabianski and Nick Pope for value, virtually the only black mark against his name and at 5.4, Phil Jones and Chris Smalling should both come close to matching their keeper’s score.

One could also argue that a Nick Pope & Jones combination has as much potential as, say, de Gea & James Tomkins at the same price of 10.2.

But overall, installing De Gea as the ultimate “fire and forget” stopper is a superb move, either in combination with another United backline member or alongside one of the ever-growing list of emerging budget defenders.

Jay Says…

I’ve gone full circle on my goalkeeper strategy with the form this guy has been showing this season.

Usually, I look at having two budget-priced keepers but with De Gea’s certainty of pitch-time in an otherwise rotation-threatened Man United defence, coupled with his amazing form, I took the decision last week to bring him into my team.

He’s also got some brilliant short/medium-term fixtures too.

The most attractive feature is his amazing value for money – he has more points than Harry Kane yet comes at a fraction of the price.

With the injury to Antonio Valencia, uncertainty over Jones’ fitness reliability and question marks over the certainty of the remaining slots in the Man United defence, the fact that De Gea is nailed-on suggests to me that it makes sense to have him in your squad.

And if that troubles your budget, consider a cheaper yet in-form defender to balance the books. One of the Burnley guys could be a great makeweight.

Ben Says…

At the start of an FPL season, I don’t even entertain the idea of spending more than 5.0 on a goalkeeper.

Ninety-nine De Gea points later and it’s clear this was the season to figure out that stingy Mourinho defence + the brilliant De Gea > 4.5 + 4.0.

I did come close to rectifying this mistake two Gameweeks ago when I had the luxury of two free transfers and money in my back pocket.

As has happened before, an Alvaro Morata injury threw my initial plans and I decided to jump on the Pope-mobile, whilst using the rest of my pennies to switch Morata to Lukaku.

In the two Gameweeks since Pope has been between the sticks, he’s outscored De Gea – 17 to 14 points. Short-term success!

Despite Elliot’s quick return to the starting line-up, Newcastle are starting to look like Sunderland, so an upgrade to Adrian will allow me to continue ignoring De Gea.

An Adrian and Pope combo looks good for the short term, but there could be an issue when Tom Heaton comes back from injury.

Phil Jones might be my ‘no Man Utd defence’ remedy, but I’m not sure he’ll play all of the next matches and feel his injury record always makes him a shortish-term option.

For now though, if it is wrong to overlook De Gea then I’m stubbornly sticking with being wrong.

Mark Says…

In terms of talent and Fantasy Premier League points, there seems no argument – De Gea is the best solution in goal.

However, that only tells half the story.

Burnley’s Pope’s is the key factor. He matches De Gea for points per match (5.5) and betters him for points per million (17.1 vs 16.8). That’s vital in this position.

There are also other variables to consider, not least the worrying defensive statistics that United are logging.

In the last four Gameweeks, Jose Mourinho’s defence has conceded more shots on target (33) than any other side. Yes, they’ve played rivals City in that period, but even if you extend things out to six matches (when other sides also have City as an opponent), United still rank second from bottom.

De Gea isn’t getting protected. That’s helping him produce save points and even bonus but, if that continues, the clean sheets will carry on taking a dent.

United have kept just two in eight Gameweeks, so covering their defence doesn’t appear “essential”, particularly if, as anticipated, Mourinho’s first choice centre-backs will be rotated at this time.

Then we have to consider that, come Gameweek 22, we will likely want Adrian for cover of West Ham’s two fixtures.

If you already own De Gea, that means that your total spend on a keeper at that time will be around the 10.0+ (currently 10.2).

By contrast, Pope and Adrian as a pair – who rotate superbly to better even De Gea’s fixtures – will set you back 9.1 right now. Interestingly, that duo are ranked first and third for save percentage, with the United man the meat in the sandwich.

So with Pope and Adrian, we can save a million, have stronger fixtures, cover the double Gameweek and, based on current data, you’d have two keepers getting better protection but matching De Gea’s potential for saves when called upon.

We just need Tom Heaton to bide his time with his recovery.

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  1. Numb
    • 11 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Was clear that Pep just didn't want to talk about Silva, full stop.

    1. _Make
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      I think I'm glad I got rid. It would be amazing to get him back for

      1. _Make
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        ... less than 8m.

  2. Carcaju
    • 10 Years
    8 years, 2 months ago

    Gtg?

    DDG

    Otamendi - Christensen - Mee - Ogbonna - 3.9

    Salah - Sterling - Hazard - Richarlison - Zaha

    Kane - DCL - Gray/Depoitre

    Not sure on the 3rd striker, but he will be benched most of the times anyway...

  3. MTPockets
      8 years, 2 months ago

      When you wait a week for "I don't know".

      1. FPL_Hazards
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        When you wait a week for "I don't know, I don't know".

      2. TheAdder
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        And not one but two Sterling price rises.

        Sterling in today it is.

    • Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Who would you pick to start out of:
      A) DCL
      B) Hunemeier
      C) Mee

      Have to assume Hunemier MAY start this weekend. And the bench order fir the other two?

      Also, my Shaqiri punt has failed thus far. He's on the goals imminent stats table.
      But do you think I should do Shaqiri > Pogba for a -4?

    • Miro
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      With defence of Mee Alonso Kolasinac* Duffy** Daniels**

      Is it worth taking a hit to replace Kolasinac ?

      1. IAWC ( It's a Wonderfu…
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Yup get otaa

    • Hobolicious
      • 10 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Who would you get in out of these two?

      A) Pogba
      B) Sané

      1. KeepCalm
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Pogba long term. Sane short term

      2. FPLAdmiral
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Sane

      3. My Name Is Pepu
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Sane long term and short term. Just get Sane.

      4. Ajax Hamsterdam
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Pogba

      5. Bubz
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Sane

    • supersham
      • 14 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Whats the craic with Willian? Is he a regular starter now?

      1. Ligdon
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Only while morata is not available

    • AYEW KI-EDEN MEE
      • 9 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Bertrand ruled out for tomorrow. A blow to Austin owners, Bertrand's deliveries been key recently. More pressure on Tadic now.

      1. _Make
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Wondering if I should start Quaner instead of DCL.

      2. BananaNose Maldonado
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        I think this is being undersold here. No Bertrand or Cedric probably means Soton play more conservatively, keep their shape, and don't put their replacements under too much pressure. I think you're looking at a 1-0, 1-1 kind of match - not great for Austin.

    • Bury94
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      Which 2 of these players would you play?

      A) Lowe (sou)
      B) Mee (TOT)
      C) Kenny (CHE)

      1. _Make
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        A and B I think.

      2. G-Whizz
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • Has Moderation Rights
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        C and one other imo
        Everton 5.0 20%
        Burnley 5.50 18%
        Huddersfield 5.50 18%

    • Freshy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 15 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      IMO Pep didn't understand the nuance of having someone's back

      1. Numb
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        He was very clear on the other doubts, just wanted to avoid talking about Silva. Something not right.

        1. Freshy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          DSilva's problem is a very private matter. The less said the better.

    • Monkey Hanger
      • 12 Years
      8 years, 2 months ago

      So what to do with Silva?

      He could easily miss another three or four weeks, depending on how unpleasant this family problem has been, and subsequently where his head is at.

      1. MTPockets
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Guess he has to go. Have Morata & Zeegelaar out so can't afford no bench.

        • supersham
          • 14 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Same problem. But if you hold on his price will drop again

          1. CL4PTRAP
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 2 months ago

            I can take another drop but that fixture this GW. Not sure if I want to miss out on that.

        • GENERATION X
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Very sad that it has happened to the guy at the very peak of his form...

          On FPL front I'm seriously looking at RLC - Gundogan now, what with Foden out as well.

        • AYEW KI-EDEN MEE
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Gotta go. Gundogan is a fantastic player to replace him for the time being. Won't be rushed.

      2. MJFainty
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        How's this team looking guys? GTG?

        Courtois
        Smalling, Otamendi, Monreal
        Salah, Sterling, Richarlison, Hazard, Coutinho
        Firmino, Abraham

        Cheers

      3. Dr Dream
        • 13 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        If i was to guess i'd say Pep has left any decisions with Silva himself judging by that....and probably genuinely is in the "I don't know" camp...

        1. how now brown cow
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          I'd go along with that, but it's all guesswork.

        2. Pieterke30
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Yes indeed, but if Silva has been mourning/crying for a week - without training obviously - he is just not gonna come back into the team as soon as tomorrow, is he?

          1. GENERATION X
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 2 months ago

            As if not bad enough it is at this time of year too.

            Sad though it is we have to try and make some sense of it from an FPL perspective and I think maybe he takes Xmas and New Year off, recharges and comes back into January.

            Another matter might be how City up their game as a tribute/dedication to him, all that Bournemouth and the rest need...

      4. WE GO FOR IT
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Duffy out for?
        O. Ogbonna
        M. Masuaku

        1. Sahil Yadav
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          O

          1. WE GO FOR IT
            • 10 Years
            8 years, 2 months ago

            Cheers! 🙂

      5. Weeb Kakashi
        • 10 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Did Pep say anything about Aguero?

        1. TheAdder
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Only that he is going to score 4 so you must captain him.

      6. Tabbara
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Guys need your help
        Which option is better
        A:Sane and Gray for RLC and Morata(-4)
        B:Save FT and play dcl and RLC

        1. _Make
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          A if you don't have a decent City captain. You need a City captain, even if it's Otamendi.

          1. Tabbara
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 2 months ago

            got sterling

            1. _Make
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 2 months ago

              Eeeeh, probably still A, just.

              1. Tabbara
                • 9 Years
                8 years, 2 months ago

                thx
                Thinking of doing it Gray is a differential have a point to prove with watford and Sane could be explosive against bournemouth

        2. My Name Is Pepu
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Get Leroy Sane

      7. IRBOX ⚽
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Scout tweets says Phil Foden is out? Wow.. can we get some FPL relevant news here please

        1. FPL_Hazards
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          They could say "they don't know" about Silva if that helps!

        2. Pieterke30
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Ligament injury, said Pep. "Out for a time".

          1. IRBOX ⚽
            • 8 Years
            8 years, 2 months ago

            Not sure if serious, or if the irony is well and truly lost

      8. the vanisher
        • 8 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        CAPTAIN: Kane or Lukaku?

        1. WE GO FOR IT
          • 10 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Lukaku

        2. SilverSpurs
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Kane imo but both risky. Would be best to captain City player if you have one as all the other top teams can easily score no goals at all in this gameweek.

        3. Podge
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Sterling

        4. Maximus Bonimus Pointimus
          • 16 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Kane

        5. Shineonme
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          kane all day long over Lukaku

      9. kysersosa
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Reporter

        "is David Silva available for the weekend"?

        Pep

        "I don't know"

        Thanks for that Pep!

        1. Numb
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Didn't look happy being asked about it, just wanted to shut it down.

          1. kysersosa
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 2 months ago

            Yeah, looked fairly pissed off in general!

        2. walkman666
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 11 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Reporter and Pep: "And we do not care about your fantasy team needs."

          1. kysersosa
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 2 months ago

            Thats just selfish of them!

      10. luke25
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Genuinely think Man City don't know when Silva will be back, something has obviously happened where they've said "come back when you're ready". Not ideal for fantasy but quite refreshing that they've not released what happened.

        1. V-2 Schneiderlin
          • 15 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          any news about whether he trained or is even in the UK?

          1. luke25
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 2 months ago

            Didn't see, just saw when he was asked if Silva will return this weekend he said "don't know", I saw rumours he was training but they might be false.

            1. V-2 Schneiderlin
              • 15 Years
              8 years, 2 months ago

              hmm might be safest to ship out

          2. Salarrivederci
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 2 months ago

            Nope. Pep just said: "I don't know" when asked if Silva would be back for tomorrows match. Clearly he did not want to get into details.

          3. Numb
            • 11 Years
            8 years, 2 months ago

            Reports that he's in Valencia with family

      11. supersham
        • 14 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Time to move Silva on before another price drop.

        Mids are Silva Pog Kdb Sal Rlc

        Silva to

        A Sterling

        B Sane

        C Zaha

        D Willian

        Any help lads?

        1. ROSSI_7
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Sterling

        2. Siggy Azalea
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          sterling

      12. KUNingas
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        1FT and 0.8 ITB

        A) Niasse -> DCL
        B) Kane + Ricarlison + Shaqiri -> Firmino + Pogba + Sterling (-8)

        DDG
        Alonso, Mustafi, Ogbonna, Zanka
        Hazard, Salah, Richarlison, Shaqiri, RLC
        Kane

        Elliot, Mee, Niasse*, Morata*

        1. korbendallas82
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Im close to signing Sterling. And Pogba in next week if everything goes as planned. I have Firm in my team already.

          1. korbendallas82
            • 12 Years
            8 years, 2 months ago

            But i also have kept Rich.

            1. KUNingas
              • 9 Years
              8 years, 2 months ago

              Yeah prefer ditching Shaqiri first than Rich. Not sure about losing Kane

              1. korbendallas82
                • 12 Years
                8 years, 2 months ago

                Slay Morata and Shaqiri?

      13. Numb
        • 11 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Silva > Sterling (-4) and captained is going to be very popular today I think!

        1. Weasel Boy
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 13 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Yeah sounds good

      14. royals forever
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Hows this for my 2FTs for my front 8

        Kane and Gross > Aguero and Lingard

        Rest of front 8 is

        Salah Hazard Richarlison Zaha xxxxxx

        Calvert-Lewin Vardy xxxxxxx

        Any ideas would be welcomed

        1. Sahil Yadav
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          I would get a Cityzen

        2. SilverSpurs
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Wouldn't do this. Aguero will be benched too often for his price tag. Got to be nailed starter for 10m plus and Aguero clearly isn't.

          The only premium forwards worth trying are Morata, Kane and Lukaku although all of them aren't sensational this season so for me the way to go is one premium striker and looking for powerful 4 or even 5 in midfield.

          Don't know your defence but maybe downgrading one of defenders (Alnoso or Azpi if you have) and upgrading Gross is a better idea.

      15. SilverSpurs
        • 9 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        With this squad does it make sense to captain Otamendi?...

        Fabianski
        Alonso, Otamendi, Kabasele, Smalling
        Richarlison, Hazard, Salah
        Kane, Firmino, Abraham

        No easy option this week for me as I have no City midfielders (planning to add Sterling with double transfer next week for Choupo-Moting)

      16. H Dog
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        How does Moreno and Ozil to Zanka and De Bruyne sound?

        1. Siggy Azalea
          • 12 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Good to me

      17. The Wizard of Ozil
        • 16 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        A) play Tom Carroll
        B) Austin in for Morata with money for Carroll -> Pogba next week
        C) Morata & Alonso out Aguero & 6.2 or less in (-4)

      18. Sim Simma
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Who is Phil Foden ? Eastenders character ?

        1. IRBOX ⚽
          • 8 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          Inbetweeners

      19. ⭐ Bemba_Da ⭐
        • 15 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Antonio injured

        1. Ask Yourself
          • 9 Years
          8 years, 2 months ago

          WOOOOO

          1. Ask Yourself
            • 9 Years
            8 years, 2 months ago

            Always so tired better players to step in

      20. SpaceCadet
        • 12 Years
        8 years, 2 months ago

        Sterling or Sane?