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West Brom 3-3 Chelsea

  • Goals: Callum Robinson x2 (£5.5m), Kyle Bartley (£4.5m) | Mason Mount (£6.9m), Callum Hudson-Odoi (£5.8m), Tammy Abraham (£7.3m)
  • Assists: Matheus Pereira (£6.0m), Darnell Furlong (£4.5m) | Cesar Azpilicueta (£5.9m), Kai Havertz (£8.4m), Mount
  • Bonus points: C Robinson x3, Mount x2, Reece James x1 (£5.1m)

Timo Werner (£9.4m) remains goalless in the Premier League after Chelsea’s trip to West Bromwich Albion did not go according to plan.

The German international had been understandably turned to by 800,000+ Fantasy Premier League managers for the Gameweek 3 captaincy only to be rewarded with nothing more than a two-point score.

As some start to lose patience in Werner, it serves to analyse what went wrong for him on Saturday evening as there were, admittedly, some mitigating circumstances behind his first blank of the campaign.

Tammy Abraham’s (£7.3m) impressive EFL Cup performance midweek was enough to convince Frank Lampard to hand the centre-forward role to him at the Hawthorns, which shifted Werner onto the left-hand side of a 4-2-3-1.

That left him with less time in the penalty box than his 35% ownership would have liked, but Chelsea’s abysmal start to the game in defence did not help him either.

The Blues gifted three goals to West Bromwich Albion inside the first 27 minutes which eased any pressure on the hosts considerably. Each time Chelsea conceded, the Baggies sat deeper and deeper inside their five-man defence and bank of four midfielders, making life much harder for any visiting attacker to find some space.

That said, there was one moment in the first half that Werner and his owners will view with regret. In the 14th minute, Mason Mount (£6.9m) finally managed to find some space around the back of left-back Conor Townsend (£4.5m), squaring to Werner, who crashed his short-range shot against Sam Johnstone‘s (£4.5m) crossbar.

Chelsea’s issues in other areas of the team then counted against Werner in the second half as Cesar Azpilicueta (£5.9m) replaced Marcos Alonso (£6.0m) and winger Callum Hudson-Odoi (£5.8m) came on for Mateo Kovačić (£5.5m).

With Hudson-Odoi on the pitch, who prefers to operate on the left-flank of attacking midfield as an inside forward, Lampard catered that with his formation tweak, shifting Werner onto the right-hand side.

“Callum (Hudson-Odoi) gave me everything I asked and wanted from him in terms of his ability to go one-on-one, trying to take people on. He got his goal. That’s what Callum needs to do. That’s the sort of impact he can have for us and it has to be consistent. He gave himself a great platform now to continue in that vain. He’ll be very important for us if he does.” – Frank Lampard

And when Olivier Giroud (£6.9m) took to the field in the place of Thiago Silva (£5.5m), enabling Lampard to pair the Frenchman with Abraham up-front in a 3-5-2, Werner was even further away from the danger areas.

During the final 15 minutes of the game, the only opportunity Chelsea’s number 11 had was when he emerged unmarked at the back post following a corner, only to see his powerful shot blocked by Kyle Bartley (£4.5m).

Would Chelsea have had to make these slew of changes to their side had they not gone 3-0 down in the opening half-an-hour? Almost certainly not. Would Werner have been better suited to this game had West Bromwich Albion not retreated into a deep block after a perfect start to the game? Almost certainly.

Perhaps that is the question his owners should consider ahead of the visit of Crystal Palace to Stamford Bridge in Gameweek 4. And even if Werner is deployed on the left-hand side of Chelsea’s attack again for that match, the Eagles’ have struggled to defend that area of the pitch in recent months. As Jan Sienkiewicz reminded us in a recent Captain Sensible article, the following left-sided players registered at least one attacking return facing them during Project Restart:

  • Sadio Mané (£11.9m) – goal
  • Harvey Barnes (£7.0m) – two assists
  • Christian Pulisic (£8.3m) – goal
  • Daniel Podence (£5.6m) – goal
  • Marcus Rashford (£9.5m) – goal and assist

Furthermore, the fitness of Pulisic and Hakim Ziyech (£7.9m) remain in the equation for Werner’s Fantasy appeal. The penetrative runs offered by the American, and Ziyech’s exceptionally creative abilities would have been the perfect tools to break down West Bromwich Albion’s deep block on Saturday, and could be important when facing Palace in Gameweek 4 – something to keep an eye on in Lampard’s upcoming press conferences.

Meanwhile, owners of Kai Havertz (£8.4m) are likely at a crossroads following his contribution to this game. Like Werner, the disastrous start to the game for Chelsea did take its toll, but a chance to operate as a number 10 produced the German’s best performance in a Premier League game so far.

Admittedly, he was making that improvement from a low base, but there were still encouraging signs. The question is: has it come soon enough for his 8.8% ownership to retain their faith for one more week.

In the 10th minute, Havertz picked the ball up on the right-hand edge of the penalty box and unleashed a powerful curling effort. Johnstone could not hold onto it, forced to punch it clear.

Then in the closing stages, the former Bayer Leverkusen man found some space in a central area of the penalty box, but his deflected shot went out for a corner.

And it was his link-up with Hudson-Odoi that got Chelsea closer to their hard-earned point in the 70th minute. That assist was his first attacking return of the season, making four a five-point score. Considering the interest in Blues assets this week, that is certainly less than was probably expected by his owners.

Chelsea’s ongoing defensive issues did not help Reece James‘ (£5.1m) Fantasy appeal, who has now blanked in two of his three Premier League outings this season.

Just as was the case against Brighton in Gameweek 1, the Blues were weakest in the full-back areas, and West Bromwich Albion were ruthless in capitalising on that at the Hawthorns.

In the fourth minute, a poor defensive header from Alonso landed at the feet of Matheus Pereira (£6.0m), who slid his pass across to Callum Robinson (£5.5m), who had escaped from James’ notice. He fired an effort across Willy Caballero (£4.9m) into the bottom corner, securing a third attacking return in as many matches for Pereira.

“I didn’t blame the players, I stated the facts on the clear mistakes that led to the goals. It is always going to be difficult in a game like this. It is not a tactical moment, it is a turnover in possession which we spoke about before.” – Frank Lampard

It may also be a little while until Silva adds much-needed stability to Chelsea’s backline as he slipped and gifted possession to Robinson for the third goal. It was Alonso who lost Bartley for the third goal, although it was poor awareness from James that played the West Bromwich Albion defender onside.

“Thiago Silva is going to be fantastic for us. He has been incredible in his career and absolutely, I will not look at him. I can talk about the mistakes, they are clear and I am open and honest about that. We are a team but we have to react around that and, to be fair, the team did in the second half. But, there is nothing on Thiago, I am sure he will stand up and say it was a mistake. But other than that, I thought he was pretty faultless in the game.” – Frank Lampard

Chelsea were much more secure with Azpilicueta coming on at left-back and they should have Edouard Mendy (£5.0m) in goal by the time they face Crystal Palace. Chelsea traditionally more porous in away games, having conceded 42 goals in 21 road trips since the start of last season, more than any other Premier League side since the start of last season. Although the Eagles might not be the best side to face at home right now, as Roy Hodgson’s men have recently developed a propensity for frustrating top-six sides on their own turf.

Meanwhile, the quality of James’ attacking contributions were not quite up to his usual standard at the Hawthorns.

His best pass arrived at the foot of Abraham in the 11th minute, which the striker skied horribly, but aside from that, James’ delivery was all about quantity and not quality. While he fired in a slew of crosses into the box all night, against a three-man defence, he struggled to find his team-mates too often.

Furthermore, James’ delivery from corners was also rather substandard, Chelsea offering much more in that department once Mount took over responsibility for them. As has been mentioned before, James is likely to lose corners and indirect free-kicks from his locker as soon as Ziyech returns to fitness anyway.

West Bromwich Albion XI (5-4-1): Johnstone; C Townsend, O’Shea, Bartley, Ajayi, Furlong; Diangana (M Phillips 74′), Sawyers, Livermore, M Pereira (Field 90+1′); C Robinson (Robson-Kanu 66′).

Chelsea XI (4-2-3-1): Caballero; Alonso (Azpilicueta 46′), T Silva (Giroud 73′), Christensen, R James; Kovačić (Hudson-Odoi 46′), Kanté; Werner, Havertz, Mount; Abraham.

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  1. the dom 1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Praying for Mo to haul as I had one one the worse rounds ever 🙁

    19 with 3 to go FML.... Captain is on Mo too 😉

    1. PapaWengzz
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Better position than many

      1. the dom 1
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        6 years, 26 days ago

        fingers crossed fam

  2. Pukki Blinders
    6 years, 26 days ago

    I’ve had just 3 returns this game week... all have come from my cheapest players in their respective positions (Ayling, Soucek, DCL). Sums up this rubbish season

    1. PocketZola
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Skill

  3. Slitherene
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Havertz or Mahrez

    If you had to choose one?

    1. PapaWengzz
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Leaning Mahrez at this stage

    2. Pukki Blinders
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Mahrez

    3. Bad Kompany
      6 years, 26 days ago

      I wouldn’t transfer in Havertz

  4. ares89
    6 years, 26 days ago

    A. Ings + Trossard + Barnes
    or
    B. Vardy + Trossard + Perreira?

    Thanks!

    1. Bad Kompany
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Wow that’s tough. I might slightly favor A but it’s very close. Like the Trossard pick. He’s always looked very good when I’ve seen him play

    2. Esalman
      6 years, 26 days ago

      B

  5. Bad Kompany
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Who’s on pens for Villa? If it’s Grealish than I’ll consider getting him in a couple of weeks

    1. GreennRed
      6 years, 26 days ago

      You need to attack to win penalties 😉

      1. NOMONEY
        6 years, 26 days ago

        newcastle says hi

    2. Andy_Social
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Should be Grealish, Villa should be okay. I'll likely get him to replace Zaha.

  6. PocketZola
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Knees are weak, 0ft 1.9mil itb

    Should I activate the WC?

    McCarthy
    Taa tierney justin
    Salah kdb podence jrod
    Dcl werner adams

    Subs, nylan, taylor, mitchell, bisouma

    Players im considering:

    Lamptey
    Castange
    Mahrez
    Fernandez
    Ings
    Jimenez
    Martinez

    1. Manani
      6 years, 26 days ago

      nom just do Werner>Ings or something and you are set for now. can even save FT

  7. the dom 1
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    6 years, 26 days ago

    If Son is out till after IB who would you get in for him?

    Son > ???

    a. Hamez (have DCL)
    b. Barnes
    c. Mount (have Werner)
    d. - 4 and get Rashford & Vardy for Werner & Son?

    Cheers

    1. GreennRed
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Havertz, Barnes, Pereira, Greenwood, Grealish.

  8. Waltomade
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Son out for
    1)Mahrez
    2)Barnes
    3)Zaha

    1. Esalman
      6 years, 26 days ago

      I would get Rashford if I could. Mahrez feels more appealing of those three.

  9. Manani
    6 years, 26 days ago

    12pts. 3 to play lol

    5pts. from 6 players today. what a joke

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Need to update link.

      1. GreennRed
        6 years, 26 days ago

        Wish I had that link!

  10. Slitherene
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Choose one?

    A) Ings + Rashford
    B) Vardy + Mahrez/Havertz

    1. Holmes
      6 years, 26 days ago

      B Mahrez

  11. lfcserg
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Hows this WC Team Lads

    McCarthy - Nyland
    Van Dijk - Justin - Lamptey - Holding - Mitchell
    Salah - KDB - Bruno - Pereira - Klich
    Jimenez - Richarlison - Brewster

    0.2M ITB

    1. lilmessipran
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Don't like Holding, Justin or Perreira

      1. lfcserg
        6 years, 26 days ago

        Pereira has 1 goal and 2 assists in his first 3 games against Everton, Leicester and Chelsea. With easier fixtures to come I dont have any doubts about him.

        Justin has a goal and an assist in his first 3 and comes from a relatively strong leicester side with good fixtures to come.

        Holding is my own little subject punt, 4.5M for an Arsenal defender to have in my defensive rotation isnt a bad thought.

        1. lilmessipran
          6 years, 26 days ago

          Fair points.. I am looking to go with a 3rd forward myself instead of 5 in midfield...too many good options

          I think Justin loses his place fairly soon maybe as early as gw5

          Holding might be a decent shout at that price if he is nailed on

          1. PocketZola
            6 years, 26 days ago

            Have you hit the wc button or just toying with the idea?

            1. lfcserg
              6 years, 26 days ago

              I've hit it.

              1. PocketZola
                6 years, 26 days ago

                Sound reasoning to the wc, but McCarthy is a weak point. Also vvd less attacking returns, is klick on pens?

                1. lfcserg
                  6 years, 26 days ago

                  Klich is on pens. VVD is a menace from set-peices (main aerial threat from Liverpool). Yea i get the McCarthy concern, Southamption have good fixtures in the short-term. I toyed with the idea of downgrading Holding to move McCarthy -> 5.0m GK

                  1. Andy_Social
                    6 years, 26 days ago

                    Two nailed defenders is not clever on a wildcard.

                    1. lfcserg
                      6 years, 26 days ago

                      Who are the better alternatives?

                      1. Andy_Social
                        6 years, 26 days ago

                        I'd be looking to Leeds and Southampton if they improve.

  12. lilmessipran
    6 years, 26 days ago

    On a Wc which of the Everton lads is a better option?

    A DCL @7.4
    B Richa @8

    1. lfcserg
      6 years, 26 days ago

      I like Richa myself.

    2. Rolls-Royce
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Still prefer DCL.

      1. PocketZola
        6 years, 26 days ago

        Dcl

      2. lfcserg
        6 years, 26 days ago

        But his not a penalty taker as youve mentioned lol.

    3. BERGKOP
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Both great options. I have DCL currently but on WC and would consider Richa. He has been looking solid and on pens.

  13. tc93
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Essential picks going forward?

    1. lfcserg
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Lingard

    2. lilmessipran
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Nobody really, the first 3 gws have summed this up pretty nicely

    3. Rolls-Royce
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Penalty takers

      1. lfcserg
        6 years, 26 days ago

        Yet DCL Over Rich?

        1. Rolls-Royce
          6 years, 26 days ago

          DCL is exception. Everything he touches inside the box is turning into goals.

          1. lfcserg
            6 years, 26 days ago

            In the short-term yes. In the long-run no.

  14. kobewan
    6 years, 26 days ago

    would you?

    Son/Werner > Bruno/DCL for -4 hit?

    1. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      6 years, 26 days ago

      If that's the way to fund Bruno, perhaps.

      1. PocketZola
        6 years, 26 days ago

        No hits

  15. The Man Pastore
    6 years, 26 days ago

    I think I f*ed up... I did Werner + Martial --> Jimenez + Kane on saturday night for -4pts....

    Which brings me to this team :

    Ramsdale
    TAA Taylor Justin KWP Ferguson
    KDB Mane Barnes Pereira Bissouma
    Kane Jimenez Adams

    Bench: Steer Justin Bissouma Ferguson

    0FT /0.0ITB

    I think it could easily backfire, should I actually use the WC so I save the 4pts?

    1. PocketZola
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Why?

      1. The Man Pastore
        6 years, 26 days ago

        Taking a hit to bring them in was probably no smart at all. Anyways... let's see and hope for the best

  16. pakornk
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Hold or sell Son?

    1. PocketZola
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Sold to kdb

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Sell

  17. ZAWAd25
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Is it worth a hit to do ASM to a 7.3m max mid? If so who?

    1. PocketZola
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Madladison

      1. ZAWAd25
        6 years, 26 days ago

        Not sure about Maddison. I like him but he hasn’t started a single game yet

  18. Rolls-Royce
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Are we ever getting inside 1m OR this season?

    1. lfcserg
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Just get more penalty takers.

  19. Bleh
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Guys, who wins out of these?

    A. Vardy, Trossard, Castagne
    B. Maupay, Bruno, C.Taylor

    A more attacking but B gives me 6/7 pen takers going forward.

    1. BERGKOP
      6 years, 26 days ago

      A

      1. Bleh
        6 years, 26 days ago

        Cheers, on A at the moment but the new pen rule is making me nervous.

  20. MagicMessi
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Hope you all doing good lads ... Having 50 points with Salah to play (sterling captain) Thoughts about this madness that I did !!

    Salah+Son+Kane+Bamford
    To
    Barnes+Zaha+Jiminez+Vardy (-12)
    4.4 mil itb to bring Salah/kdb later..

    Very Wreckless move but like it on the long run

    Meslier
    ##Lamptey Coleman Lewis
    Sterling. James Zaha. Barnes
    Jiminez Vardy Richarlison##
    --klich jagielka mitchell--
    4.4
    Thanks cheers!

  21. KadMan
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Any chance Son comes back versus WHU? We've got the INTL break after GW4 so ample time for him to recover.

    1. Bleh
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Jose just said he’d be out for “a while” which doesn’t fill me with confidence. Also hamstring injuries are notoriously difficult to recover from. I would look to get rid if possible.

      1. Andy_Social
        6 years, 26 days ago

        If you can park him on the bench for next GW, the international break follows.

        1. Bleh
          6 years, 26 days ago

          9.0 is a lot to park on the bench though. No guarantee he’ll be fit or hit the ground running in GW5 either.

          1. Andy_Social
            6 years, 26 days ago

            True. But I bet you didn't have him for his 4 goals and brought him in for his one point. Can you bear the same thing happening immediately after?

            1. Bleh
              6 years, 26 days ago

              Probably, fast turning immune to pain this season!

              1. Andy_Social
                6 years, 26 days ago

                Ha ha, good for you!

  22. OverTinker
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Chances of R James getting dropped?

    1. Andy_Social
      6 years, 26 days ago

      From the eye test I'd say Alonso needs to be dropped immediately, and Azpi can play there. But if Chillwell is ready, maybe Alonso and James will be dropped. Next GW is last before International Break and danger of being dropped could be greater for GW5 and going forward.

  23. Sloane426
    6 years, 26 days ago

    (A) ASM > Mount/6.9m max
    (B) Play ASM/Taylor and save FT

    1. Bleh
      6 years, 26 days ago

      B, play Taylor.

  24. Roy Rovers
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Martial > A - DCL
    B - Ings
    C - Maupay
    D - Any Other

    McCarthy Button
    TAA James Taylor Justin Mitchell
    Bruno KDB Podence Soucek Bissouma
    Kane Werner Martial

    1. Bolivian Seaman
      6 years, 26 days ago

      keep

      1. Roy Rovers
        6 years, 26 days ago

        I wasn't expecting that!!

    2. Bleh
      6 years, 26 days ago

      A or B. I think I’m getting both.

    3. Rolls-Royce
      6 years, 26 days ago

      A

      1. Roy Rovers
        6 years, 26 days ago

        Leaning towards A …..but just remembered Jimmi!!

  25. Rolls-Royce
    6 years, 26 days ago

    If you are on WC, it is worth improving your 5th mid to Soucek. The guy is going to be insane value over the season.

    1. Andy_Social
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Agree. I'm sorely tempted to sell Werner for Vardy and make up the loss by taking a hit to get Soucek. Trying to resist doing it now so I can do a 2FT.

      1. Rolls-Royce
        6 years, 26 days ago

        I am probably getting Ings. Turned my season around last year after I got him. Fixtures are not too bad as it seems after WBA. It is also tempting to save FT before an IB though!

    2. Bleh
      6 years, 26 days ago

      I’d love to but the 0.6 saved from Stephens (4.4) to Soucek (5.0) currently can be better spent elsewhere.

      1. Andy_Social
        6 years, 26 days ago

        I can wait until GW8 when his fixtures turn very nicely. He'll prolly score in every game until then though!

        1. Bleh
          6 years, 26 days ago

          This. Can definitely wait.

    3. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      6 years, 26 days ago

      It's only value if you play him.

      1. Rolls-Royce
        6 years, 26 days ago

        Worth a shout for 4th mid then.

        1. Andy_Social
          6 years, 26 days ago

          Well that's the thing. I'm sticking to a 3-4-3 now, and my 5th midf is Klich, whom I'd rather play every week. Rotating him with Soucek sounds like a world of trouble.

      2. Magic Zico
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        6 years, 26 days ago

        Or you get surprises like Podence?

  26. Littlefish92
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Who's everyone's son replacement ?

    1. Cheeseoid
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Daughters

  27. The Finnisher
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Last minute decision to swap Salah/Podence to Son/Havertz on WC paid off then...could have been very fruitful but instead it was bunch of missed chances, an injury and no doubt a Salah masterclass incoming tomorrow haha

  28. Magic Zico
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Was that WHU being amazing (and where did that come from if so?) or uncharacteristic performance of WOL last night? Can’t believe my eyes looking at the scoresheet!

    1. Andy_Social
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Both City and Wolves simply never turned up. But credit is due to Foxes and Hammers of course. Just don't expect repeat performances too easily.

      In Wolves case I'm pinning the blame on 2 unfamiliar wingbacks weakening the system.

    2. TorresMagic™
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • Has Moderation Rights
      6 years, 26 days ago

      Both, Wolves were pretty average. Seems the Monday match took a bit out of them & City.

  29. Jinswick
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Best option here?

    A) Son -> Rashford
    B) Son -> Mahrez
    C) Son & Antonio -> Trossard & Vardy (-4)
    D) Son & Antonio -> Mahrez & DCL (-4)

    McCarthy
    TAA, VVD, Bellerin, Holding
    Salah, KDB, Son, Foden
    Jimenez, Antonio

    Steer, Mitchell, Bissouma, Davis
    Bank 0.9m, 1FT

    1. waldo666
      6 years, 26 days ago

      A

      1. OneArseneWenger32
        6 years, 26 days ago

        -4 son to bruno and vvd to coleman or digne

  30. bennygrimshaw
    6 years, 26 days ago

    Son for Maddison/Mahrez/Someone else? I have KDB SALAH PODENCE (ANGUISSA) - JIMENEZ WERNER (BREWSTER)