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How Southampton solved their defensive issues as Ings outscores Adams again

Burnley 0-1 Southampton

  • Goals: Danny Ings (£8.4m)
  • Assists: Che Adams (£5.9m)
  • Bonus points: Ings x3, Jan Bednarek x2 (£4.5m), Ryan Bertrand x2 (£5.0m)

Danny Ings (£8.4m) remains one of the most reliable forwards in the Premier League despite the £2.5m price hike ahead of the 2020/21 campaign.

The Southampton man added his third goal of the campaign in a 1-0 win at Burnley on Saturday, the most of any colleague and behind only Dominic Calvert-Lewin (£7.4m), Jamie Vardy (£10.0m) and an injured Son Heung-min (£9.0m) in the early stages of the Golden Boot race.

Crucially, Ings is still offering a degree of Fantasy value, despite that more expensive price for the new season. After three Gameweeks, he is inside the top 10 among forwards for points per million spent (2.6). As things stand, Harry Kane (£10.5m) and Vardy (2.7 and 3.2 respectively) are the only dearer forwards to outperform Ings in that respect.

However, the former Burnley and Liverpool man will have plenty of opportunities to soar up those rankings when Southampton host West Bromwich Albion in Gameweek 4.

The Baggies may have stunned Chelsea into a 3-0 half-time lead at the Hawthorns but they still conceded a further three goals of their own in the second half. That means Slaven Bilic’s men have given up 11 goals in their first three matches of the campaign. No English top-flight side has conceded that many goals in their opening three league games since Arsenal in 1963/64 (12).

While further attacking returns are very much on the cards for Ings on Sunday, one minor question that may hang over Ings from a slightly more long-term perspective is whether or not he can sustain goals on a short supply of shots.

While he has three goals in the last two matches, Ings has only taken three shots in that time. At Burnley on Saturday, the Southampton forward was limited to just the one effort. 

Once West Bromwich Albion are out of the way, the Saints face Chelsea (away), Everton (home) and Aston Villa (away), each of which could prove an important test of his Fantasy appeal for the rest of the season. If these sides keep Ings as limited shot-wise as Spurs and Burnley did, it might be difficult for him to continue the current run of form.

Frank Lampard’s men have certainly had defensive issues this year but after the international break, Edouard Mendy (£5.0m) will be considerably more bedded into the team, while Thiago Silva (£5.5m) will have settled in a little more too. It will be interesting to see if Chelsea can take a more assured defence into that Gameweek 5 fixture.

While Ings’ Gameweek 6 opponent Everton have kept only one clean sheet so far this season, a trip to Aston Villa in Gameweek 7 may prove challenging too. Dean Smith’s men are yet to concede this season, have four clean sheets in their last six Premier League outings, three of which came at Villa Park.

However, if Ings does come through this run with a handful of more attacking returns, then the Fantasy community are sure to take notice.

It has taken some time for owners of Che Adams (£5.9m) to be rewarded for their patience, although they might have hoped for more from the trip to Burnley.

The former Birmingham City man has been unfortunate thus far this season, recording the same number of shots in the box and big chances as Ings, but falling slightly short on accuracy. As a result, he is still without a goal this season and is usually one of the first to be replaced by Ralph Hasenhüttl in the second half. So far in 2020/21, Adams is yet to complete 90 minutes in the Premier League, averaging just over 79 minutes per appearance.

Like Ings, he was restricted to just one effort on goal at Turf Moor, although it would be sensible to assume he will be handed more opportunities by West Bromwich Albion’s leaky defence on Sunday.

Furthermore, while Adams is currently 14 Fantasy points behind Ings, Gameweek 3 once again highlighted the cheaper forward’s superior creativity compared to his strike-partner. Against Burnley, Adams registered his first assist of the campaign, having outperformed Ings for key passes thus far – which could bode well for the Baggies’ trip to St. Mary’s.

Considering that Alex McCarthy (£4.5m) remains the most popular Fantasy goalkeeper, currently sat in 18.7% of teams, Southampton’s defensive improvement in Gameweek 3 was a welcome one for many.

Having deployed a perilously high line at home against Spurs, Hasenhüttl dropped his back-four back considerably at Turf Moor. He also made one change, dropping Jack Stephens (£4.9m) to the bench, replacing him with Jannik Vestergaard (£4.5m).

That made for a much more secure foundation from which to operate in Gameweek 3, earning Southampton their first clean sheet of the campaign.

“It wasn’t a good start to the season but we have focused our work this week on the defence and it was fantastic to see how much they had invested today.” – Ralph Hasenhüttl

While Emi Martínez (£4.5m) certainly looks an attractive option moving forward, anyone hoping to hold their transfers and not spend a Wildcard may be encouraged by a few of McCarthy’s underlying numbers from Saturday.

The Saints’ goalkeeper was just one save short of an additional point at Turf Moor, while his total BPS score was just one away from pushing him into a share of bonus. A Gameweek 4 meeting with West Bromwich Albion might help him make a breakthrough on both of those counts.

That said, Southampton were helped in their clean sheet exploits no end by Burnley’s ongoing squad problems.

They came into Gameweek 3 without James Tarkowski (£5.4m), Ben Mee (£5.0m), Robbie Brady (£5.0m), Jack Cork (£5.0m), Johann Berg Gudmundsson (£5.4m), Jay Rodriguez (£5.9m) and Ashley Barnes (£6.0m).

Those absences left the Clarets rather short in every department and, with a large number of youngsters on the bench, Sean Dyche did not make a single substitution all night – almost certainly to send a message to the board.

“The chairman knows what is required. Action. We need players. It is a challenge though, here, it always has been. We have two experienced defenders on the bench and that is it. We are reliant on what we have. It is a challenge but we will have players back fit.” – Sean Dyche

Newcastle, Tottenham and Chelsea are three of Burnley’s next four opponents and if the Clarets do not improve their personnel problems between now and Gameweek 7, those clubs’ defensive assets certainly look like attractive prospects.

The ongoing list of absentees in Lancashire is helpful in one other respect: budget defensive options. Tarwkoski and Mee’s injuries have allowed Jimmy Dunne (£4.0m) to start two matches in a row now and, after two matches, the budget asset is actually Burnley’s top-scoring defender – useful for anyone Wildcarding right now.

Burnley XI (4-4-2): Pope; C Taylor, Dunne, K Long, Bardsley; McNeil, D Stephens, Westwood, Brownhill; Vydra, Wood.

Southampton XI (4-4-2): A McCarthy; Bertrand, Vestergaard, Bednarek, Walker-Peters; Djenepo (Tella 77′), Romeu, Ward-Prowse, Armstrong; Ings, Adams (Obafemi 77′).

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1,089 Comments Post a Comment
  1. Feanor
    • 11 Years
    2 months, 3 days ago

    Is Gabriel likely to get starts going forward, or is he someone I should look to get rid of?

    1. Shineonme
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Doubt he'll get much game time in the league

    2. ShaunGoater123
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 6 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      he'll get starts. keep him for now, although the fixtures aren't great so if you don't have anything pressing then might be worth it

      1. Feanor
        • 11 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Haha, I have lots of things pressing

    3. Paulie Walnuts
      • 5 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      He will play, probably rested Vs Liverpool due to lack of experience.in big games. I'd hold

  2. g40steve
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 2 Years
    2 months, 3 days ago

    Don’t want to rip team apart for Vards, thinking Son & Delap > Ings & Mendy 4.5 Leics?

    Y/N other idea?

    Martinez
    Robbo, Saiss, James, Lamptey
    KDB, Sterling, Podence, Zaha
    DCL, Jimenez,

    Steer, Mitchell, Delap, Son

    .7

    1. pingissimus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Are you prepared to captain Jim and Ings?

      The one argument I see for Vardy - who I no longer have of course - is that he might be the better captain option.

      1. g40steve
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Possibly on the very easy fixtures but mainly City & Pool
        Don’t remind me, I took out, Vardy, Richy, Trent, McCarthy !

        1. pingissimus
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 1 Year
          2 months, 3 days ago

          Lost Kane week 2, Vardy, Ings, McCarthy KWP and Bruno week 3

          WC triumph 😀

          Prefer the look of my side now overall. But anxious that I am short of C options. Vardy was easily my best C last time around

    2. The Littlest Robbo
      • 5 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      I've done similar moves, Ingsy is a great option imo

      1. g40steve
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Cheers

  3. kenzo.
    • 6 Years
    2 months, 3 days ago

    guys who'll score higher
    A. Vinagre(FUL) and Kane (mun) + 4
    B. Bruno (TOT) and Jimenez (FUL)

    1. Shineonme
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      I think B easy

      1. kenzo.
        • 6 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Thanks

    2. B.D.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      B

      1. kenzo.
        • 6 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Thanks

  4. TMF86
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    2 months, 3 days ago

    Madness to still have Trent AND Robbo?

    1. Flair
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      2 months, 3 days ago

      35 points in 3 matches, how dare you!

    2. I Member
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 5 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Not at all.

    3. The Littlest Robbo
      • 5 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      It's not madness to have two extra attacking "midfielders"

    4. Shineonme
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Not after last night no

  5. Big Hippo
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    2 months, 3 days ago

    My take on the Lamptey to Bayern rumour is that it's probably true that Bayern are interested but Brighton won't sell even for €25m. They were very firm over the summer on not selling Ben White despite a £25m bid. Granted that was to a Premiership rival but I think they're smart enough to realise he could be worth double that next year if AWB went for £50m

    1. Atletico Junior
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      We, lamptey-owners, wish that

    2. pingissimus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Pretty much

      Value is way over 25 mill. This is a really poor season to be a selling club given financial climate and there's no reason to sell assets unless absolutely necessary.

    3. Hazz
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Very much doubt Brighton are on the position where they desperately need to sell in any case. Well run club.

      Lamptey moved because he wasn't getting game time.

      He won't get that immediately if he moves to Bayern - so it doesn't make much sense. It's not like Chelsea will have offered him loose change by way of a contract either, so you'd doubt money was the reason for the Brighton move.

      The Bayern interest may well be very real, but just makes no sense right after you have finally established yourself as a starter after working so hard for it.

      1. F_Ivanovic
        • 5 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        I can't remember where I heard it but apparently Chelsea offered him more money than Brighton - so game time was obviously a big factor for him.

  6. Steirish
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 6 Years
    2 months, 3 days ago

    Martinez

    Lampety Digne Saiss

    Salah Sterling Podence Rodriguez Fernandes

    Werner Wilson

    Steer/Brewster/Mitchell/Ayling

    Used 1ft already would you go minus for anyone?

    1. Shineonme
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      no looks OK to me

  7. Flair
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    2 months, 3 days ago

    Wolves and City knock 4 past Leeds and Fulham and suddenly the takes I see will have a complete 180.

    1. Would Ed Woodward
      • 1 Year
      2 months, 3 days ago

      That's the case every week.

  8. You've got red on you.
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    2 months, 3 days ago

    First choice and second choice?

    1) Rashford and Rodriguez

    2) Ings and Havertz

    3) Bruno and 6.9mid (Mount, Moura, Trossard, Soucek)

    4) Rodriguez and Havertz

    1. Shineonme
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      4
      1

  9. thepuntmaster
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    2 months, 3 days ago

    For those interested, wrote this piece with the help of a biomechanics expert on why the Joel Ward penalty against Everton was scientifically wrong and how his movement could only be considered natural.

    Not normally one to share links elsewhere but thought this might intrigue a few > https://www.swlondoner.co.uk/sport/29092020-controversial-palace-penalty-biomechanically-wrong/

    1. Pukki Blinders
      • 1 Year
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Think your mate needs a job at the VAR table

    2. Jon Walter's Hatty
      • 7 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      TL:DR - the guy does not own Richarlson

    3. pingissimus
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 1 Year
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Interesting piece - confirming common sense really

      Question if I may. How many of the 12 excess pens have been due to new rulings on handball? This one, the United one against Palace which was similarly bonkers and the Leeds one week 1 are the only ones that immediately come to mind.

      1. thepuntmaster
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Yep, those ones for sure, not too confident how many in total. Think stats perhaps just show more that VAR is tighter than ever this year and going with the attackers.

        1. Andy_Social
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 8 Years
          2 months, 3 days ago

          I found this article (& btl response) very illuminating

          https://www.football365.com/news/the-handball-farce-explained-ifab-premier-league

          In essence, the rule is fine; it's the PL's over-literal interpretation of it that's the problem. They disregard the key role of intent.

          I also find it fascinating that the same rule and interpretation was introduced in Germany. For 2 years pens shot up but by the third year defenders had learned to adapt and pens were down.

          But what I most enjoy is the ironic thought that in football we're conforming to what the rest of Europe is doing - in the midst of Brexit!

          1. thepuntmaster
            • Fantasy Football Scout Member
            • 7 Years
            2 months, 3 days ago

            This struck me in that the new rule isn't that dramatic. In the Palace penalty, it was just wrong to be given I believe?

        2. pingissimus
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 1 Year
          2 months, 3 days ago

          Yep

          Will need to keep an eye on this. Currently (post WC) have a fairly heavy defence (TAA Robbo) as I just don't see Liverpool conceding a sufficiently significant amount of excess pens to limit cs.

          May need to rethink or just get in more pen takers of course,

      2. Klaren
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 3 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Palace and Everton’s are the only ones really. While Dier’s handball is found to be controversial by many, by definition it was a penalty with previous rules as well.

        Leeds one shouldn’t have been a penalty under the new rules either as the ball was deflected on to the hand, just a ref mistake and probably VAR not interpreting as a clear and obvious error.

  10. Would an idiot do that?
    • 6 Years
    2 months, 3 days ago

    Werner to Ings for free this week?

    1. Andy_Social
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 8 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      I've done it - only in order to captain Ings, though. Otherwise, save the tran.

    2. Shineonme
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      No way not woth chelsea's next 2 fixtures

      1. Shineonme
        • 4 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        with #

  11. BrutalLogiC
    • 5 Years
    2 months, 3 days ago

    Son to who? Mahrez?

    1. Shineonme
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      barnse for me. Better fixtures

      1. Shineonme
        • 4 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        barnes #

    2. Pukki Blinders
      • 1 Year
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Barnes

    3. mdm
      • 8 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Rodrigez

      1. Jellyfish
        • 8 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        I'm thinking Rodriguez too

        1. vincentwsho
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • 2 Years
          2 months, 3 days ago

          Mahrez

    4. St Pauli Walnuts
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 2 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Not a common move, but I've gone to Trossard. Will later maybe do Brewster to Richarl but upgrading Podence to a premium another option.

  12. Over Midwicket
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 8 Years
    2 months, 3 days ago

    Early captaincy shouts for next GW? I'm thinking Ings.

    1. Miguel Sanchez
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 4 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Ings or KDB

    2. Flair
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      2 months, 3 days ago

      KDB

    3. NateDogsCats
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Going with Bruno again. Spurs tend to be poor against MU and they have a tough week. Like the Ings pick though, if I had him I'd definitely be between the two.

      • claretparrot
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        I'm keeping it simple with Salah, but don't have another standout option in my side

      • Winston.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 7 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Salah probably

      • Pukki Blinders
        • 1 Year
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Sterling or Jimi

      • pingissimus
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Considering an unconventional Jim or Ings captaincy but will probably go KdB.

      • St Pauli Walnuts
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Probably going KDB but considering Ings.

    4. Winston.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Mahrez or Jimenez ?

      Zaha or Barnes ?

      1. jb1985
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Zaha & Jimi, both the penalty takers

      2. Pukki Blinders
        • 1 Year
        2 months, 3 days ago

        jimi and barnes

      3. pingissimus
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 1 Year
        2 months, 3 days ago

        This week I might go Mahrez Barnes but going forward I'd prefer to have Jim Zaha

      4. St Pauli Walnuts
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        J and B.

    5. jb1985
      • 2 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      Too much on defence on WC?

      Martinez, Steer
      Lamptey, James, TAA, Saiss, Castagne
      Zaha, Barnes, Salah, KDB, Soucek
      Richarlison, Brewster, Jimi

      Rather than James & Castagne I could do Digne/Justin

      1. Shineonme
        • 4 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        I'd rather DLC over Rich but that's just a personal pick. Other than i like it quite a lot.

        1. jb1985
          • 2 Years
          2 months, 3 days ago

          problem with having a WC is that you try multiple formations out and try to fit players in I just accidently went into auto pilot and hit transfer on the below team. Think I lost a price rise on Castagne and Bamford who I had as place holders. D'OH!!

          Martinez,
          TAA, Robbo, Saiss, Justin
          Zaha, Barnes, Salah, KDB
          DCL, Jimi

          Steer, Delap, Lamptey, Burke.

          Delap is place holder for Brewster, hopefully they pull off a deal before transfer deadline.

      2. St Pauli Walnuts
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 2 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        Nah looks good, balanced.

    6. Riggs
      • 2 Years
      2 months, 3 days ago

      my front three are Werner, Jimenez and DCL. Is it worth it to do a Werner - Ings move?

      1. Shineonme
        • 4 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        no keep i have the same front 3.

      2. Geraaaard
          2 months, 3 days ago

          Keep it

      3. ClaireT
        • 10 Years
        2 months, 3 days ago

        With Vardy flagged, reckon it's safe to transfer him in now for Werner before he rises tonight, or wait for further updates?

        McCarthy, Button
        TAA, Saiss, Holding, Lascelles, Justin
        Salah, Bruno, Foden, ASM, Reed
        Werner, DCL, Jimi

        1. Geraaaard
            2 months, 3 days ago

            Wait till injury updates.

        2. Geraaaard
            2 months, 3 days ago

            Have werner and son.
            Who do you think best to transfer in?

            Kane / vardy / jimi + zaha / barnes / rodriguez

            Or

            Ricarlinson / DCL + fernandes / sterling / any midfielder below

            I have 1 ft this week. But will consider a -4pts hit if it’s necessary.

            Thanks