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Alexander-Arnold, Salah and Jota start as Liverpool visit Leeds in Gameweek 4

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Gameweek 4 continues with Leeds United hosting Liverpool at Elland Road.

Kick-off is at 16:30 BST.

For Leeds, new signing Daniel James (£6.0m) is on the bench, but Raphinha (£6.5m) starts after his ban for not being released to the Brazil squad was lifted.

Stuart Dallas (£5.5m) also features despite withdrawing from international duty, while Junior Firpo (£4.8m) has recovered from COVID-19 and replaces Pascal Struijk (£4.4m) in the starting XI.

As expected, Liverpool are without the injured Roberto Firmino (£8.8m) but Virgil van Dijk (£6.5m) and Harvey Elliot (£5.5m) are fit.

Diogo Jota (£7.7m) starts in attack, while Thiago (£5.4m) replaces Jordan Henderson (£5.0m), who drops to the bench.

GAMEWEEK 4 LINE-UPS

Leeds XI: Meslier, Ayling, Cooper, Llorente, Firpo, Phillips, Dallas, Raphinha, Rodrigo, Harrison, Bamford

Subs: Klaesson, Struijk, Cresswell, Shackleton, Klich, Summerville, James, McCarron, Roberts

Liverpool XI: Alisson, Alexander-Arnold, Matip, van Dijk, Robertson, Fabinho, Thiago, Elliot, Salah, Mane, Jota

Subs: Kelleher, Konate, Gomez, Tsimikas, Milner, Henderson, Keita, Jones, Oxlade-Chamberlain

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  1. jack88
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Best 4.5 defenders apart from wolves?

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    1. Andy_Social
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Arsenal, I suppose.

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      1. have you seen cyan
        5 years, 1 month ago

        this, I would say Brentford, but horrible fixtures sadly

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    2. diabydoesgallas
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Lowton? Burnley are always solid.

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    3. lilmessipran
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Ben White probably

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  2. F4L
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Sounds like it's a dislocated ankle for Elliot, all things being well he should be playing again this season, maybe as early as Christmas time

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    1. Rio Angora Mohair
      5 years, 1 month ago

      I heard Broken leg!!! hope is just the ankle!!

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      1. F4L
        5 years, 1 month ago

        yep, Klopp was asked about it. Hard to say it's "good news", but given the circumstances it's a welcome outcome.

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  3. diabydoesgallas
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Anyone else had a stinker? Seeing a lot of high scores going around. 47 here with digne & DCL to play. Not exactly a vintage week.

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    1. Qaiss
      5 years, 1 month ago

      I’m on 53 with DCL to go. No Ronaldo or Lukaku.

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    2. The Philosopher
      5 years, 1 month ago

      61(-4) with Gray left. On a small red arrow.

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    3. Tuju
      5 years, 1 month ago

      o/
      49 with Digne+DCL

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    4. Rio Angora Mohair
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Yep!
      54 with DCL and Gray to go, would be happy if they got 12 between them! still a poor week and no Ron or Luk!

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    5. Utopsis
      5 years, 1 month ago

      60 (-4) with DCL to go.

      Been forced to activate WC as my team next week is pathetic, plus about 5 of my players on the verge of dropping 0.1

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    6. have you seen cyan
      5 years, 1 month ago

      only had two attackers return, my defence carried me this week (and Ronaldo cap)

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    7. Lazaretti
      5 years, 1 month ago

      55 all out.

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    8. HollywoodXI
      5 years, 1 month ago

      65 with DCL to play. Enough for a green arrow, up to 90k.

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    9. N1ceguyEdd1e
      5 years, 1 month ago

      67 with Gray left to go tomorrow

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    10. Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo
      5 years, 1 month ago

      57 with Digne to go and OR more than double compared to before this week started. Pretty rancid. Hoping that Lukaku and CR7 chill out and that a premium striker-less squad pays off medium term.

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  4. Arvin-ation
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Gameweek 4:

    - 4 Chances Created
    - 11 Touches in the box
    - 6 Shots
    - 6 Shots in the box

    Who am I?

    Don't spoil the fun if you already know 😉

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    1. diabydoesgallas
      5 years, 1 month ago

      TAA?

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      1. Arvin-ation
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        nope! 6 Shots in the box for TAA in a GW would be insane! I'd love it!

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    2. Joey Tribbiani
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Bilva?

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    3. F4L
      5 years, 1 month ago

      A Chelsea player 😉

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      1. F4L
        5 years, 1 month ago

        oh wait no, Pepe isn't it? Looked very involved in the highlights, was so unlucky for the Auba goal!

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        1. Arvin-ation
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Neither! 🙂

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          1. F4L
            5 years, 1 month ago

            😀 Just saw the correct answer, hopefully Arsenal's attack can click, quite a few bargains to be had there

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    4. griffzinho
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Auba

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      1. griffzinho
        5 years, 1 month ago

        I personally think Watkins numbers were better away to Chelsea.

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    5. Billybigspuds
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Kovasic?

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    6. Gudjohnsen
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Mané?

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      1. Lord.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        He had 10 shots

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    7. Lord.
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Bamford?

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    8. WVA
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Tell meeeeee

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    9. Arvin-ation
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      All wrong so far!

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    10. Gunneryank
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Lukaku?

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      1. Lord.
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Two shots

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    11. Willmissudimitrypayet
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Bukayo?

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      1. griffzinho
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Yep I think

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      2. Arvin-ation
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Ding ding ding!!

        Bukayo Saka @6.3m

        bur, bha, CRY, AVL in the next 6

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        1. Gunneryank
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Wow really. Ok then.

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    12. Hits from the Bong
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Gallagher

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    13. Billybigspuds
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Gallagher?

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    14. Gunneryank
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Ronnie!

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    15. Disco Volante
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Grealish?

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    16. Captain Vantastic™
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Pepe

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    17. Crunchie
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Gallagher?

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    18. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Your dad?

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    19. Pep Roulette
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Gallagher?

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  5. Hits from the Bong
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Any ideas here? Was thinking of keeping Antonio. 0.3 itb

    Sanchez
    TAA Shaw Duffy Williams
    Salah Greenwood Benrahma Jota
    Ronaldo DCL

    Steele McArthur Livramento Antonio

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    1. Sid07
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Looks good for this week

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  6. Sid07
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Taken a hit for below
    looks good or should I Wc??

    Sanchez (steele)
    TAA shaw reguillon white (Tsimikas)
    Salah Greenwood sarr benrahma (Gilmour)
    Ronaldo DCL Antonio

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  7. We Go Again
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Would you take a hit for Bruno + Perica to Ronaldo + Sissoko knowing that my bench (Tsimikas, Livra, Perica) will likely all return 0 points for Antonio next GW?

    Whats the chance Tsimikas gets a game if Robbo plays Milan?

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  8. The Philosopher
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Switching between premiums at the right time is going to be so important this season, more than ever. Hence, might look to hold onto the WC as long as possible if I can do the premium switches without much fuss in GW7/8.

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    1. have you seen cyan
      5 years, 1 month ago

      doesnt look like there is anytime to take Salah out unless he loses form. Rotating Ronaldo and Lukaku is a thing, but im not convinced I want to ditch Ronaldo regardless of fixtures. GW7 will be a tough call, I certainly dont trust Lukaku as I do Ronaldo

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      1. The Philosopher
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Yeah, Salah is the exception to the switch. He's a permanent fixture in my team too. And as you say, Ronaldo may be a keeper for me too. The major switch will probably be between TAA and Lukaku for me, but that'll cost me -4 minimum, but might be worth it if say one of the two has a 7-8 game decent run.

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        1. have you seen cyan
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Yea, food for thought, I hadnt considered losing TAA to enable Lukaku, but it is an option, perhaps at some point.

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    2. diabydoesgallas
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Or just get them all

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    3. HollywoodXI
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Imagine if Kane hits form!

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  9. mattrobb
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Just reflecting on the week & choice to take a hit for Ron

    Took -8 to swap Bruno, Ings & Wilson for Ronaldo, Jota and DCL
    If I hadn't done the Ron move, I would have swapped DCL for Wilson only.

    New team points: Ron=26, Jota =3, DCL? Total 29+DCL. Or 21+DCL given the hit
    Old team: Bruno=7, Ings=2 +DCL + another 8 as I would have captained salah. Total 17+DCL.

    I'm (just) better off to have taken the hit. Phew. Lucky generals and all that

    Sadly, will get 70+DCL which looks like it might be a red arrow anyway. Grrr..

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    1. Ghost10
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Almost identical to mine, except Mount for Jota. Glad to not have lost any points on the 3 switches, but the more important thing I feel is that we now have 3 long term players in, in one swoop.

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    2. REDMOND IN SANDALS
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Without hit (Ings ft to DCL):DCL+ Salah(c) + Bruno + Toney = DCL+16+8+2 = 26.
      With Hit (Ings to DCl, Toney to Ronaldo & Bruno to Torres) >> DCL + Salah + Torres + Ronaldo(c) - 8 = DCL+8+3+26-8 = 29.
      Not bad.

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  10. Nate(U)dog(ie)
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Looks like I'll need to take a -4 this week or play Livramento against City

    Sanchez (Steele)
    Matip James Semedo (Livramento Llorente)
    Salah Raphinha Gray Sarr (Allan)
    Ronaldo Lukaku Antonio

    What's the best option here:

    A) Antonio to someone (can afford up to 8m)
    B) Llorente to any def up to 5.4m

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    1. Nate(U)dog(ie)
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Er, nevermind, not thinking straight. Can just play Allan and hope for the best

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    2. lilmessipran
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Play Allan instead

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  11. FF Dirtbag
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Already done Ayling+Bruno+toney - > Williams + Raphinha + Ronaldo (-4)

    Should I WC instead?

    Sanchez Foster
    TAA Shaw Coufal Tsimikas Williams
    Salah Greenwood Raphinha Benrahma Gilmour
    Antonio DCL Ronaldo

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    1. We Go Again
      5 years, 1 month ago

      G2G, don't think there's enough wrong for WC

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  12. Jinswick
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Would you keep Antonio on a WC?

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    1. Arvin-ation
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      no

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    2. diabydoesgallas
      5 years, 1 month ago

      No

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    3. lilmessipran
      5 years, 1 month ago

      If you can field a decent sub this gw, probably would

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    4. Hits from the Bong
      5 years, 1 month ago

      If I had 0.5 tied up yeah

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    5. We Go Again
      5 years, 1 month ago

      If you had a defender with a good fixture to sub on for his ban, yes. Otherwise no

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    6. Deeney-is-a-god
      5 years, 1 month ago

      yes, no question for me, he is out for one game, which is against united anyway... his underlying numbers are good and you probably have value tied up so would be less than ideal to get him back in in a couple of weeks if he keeps firing.

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  13. Noisy Neighbour
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Is everyone’s GW3 overall rank messed up in your gameweek history screen? Mine was 73,856 but now shows as 365,696.

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    1. Noisy Neighbour
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Really, just me?

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  14. Gudjohnsen
    5 years, 1 month ago

    What happened to Gilmour?

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    1. Andy_Social
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Rested after 3 internationals, according to his manager

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    2. lilmessipran
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Did some digging into this with Norwich forums, he started 3 out of 3 in the IB and hence was rested/rotated ..hopefully comes back next week

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    3. Scholes Out For Summer
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Nothing

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  15. Andy_Social
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Update from a doctor:

    Raj Chohan
    @rajsinghchohan
    ·
    29m
    Hard to tell 100%, but it looks like it could be an ankle fracture-dislocation for Harvey Elliott, which would be more positive than a tib-fib leg break. Up to 4-6 months out with an an ankle fracture-dislocation, as opposed to 7-9 months with a tib-fib leg break.
    Klopp has confirmed it’s ankle. Hopefully back on the shorter end of the time-scale at 4 months

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    1. Crunchie
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Oh good. Such a shame 🙁

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    2. Pep's Money Laundry
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Just hoping it's as quick as possible, being a youngster might help his recovery

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    3. HollywoodXI
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Poor him. He’d just broken into the first team and looked so good.

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  16. Zimo
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Antonio to DCL or Bamford. Tricky tricky

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    1. Arvin-ation
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Bamford for me

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    2. Ask Yourself
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Probs gonna be DCL for next two and then WC Bamford in. Leeds haven’t exactly looked ruthless this season yet and DCL against norwich GW6 could be massive

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    3. lilmessipran
      5 years, 1 month ago

      If he is fit DCL is too good to ignore imo

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    4. WVA
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Should be less tricky after tomorrow but judging by so far its DCL by miles

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    5. Botman and Robben
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Prefer dcl

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    6. sumatera
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Richarlison

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  17. Dr. Rog
    5 years, 1 month ago

    DDG
    TAA Christ Tierney (liv will)
    Salah Jota Torres Traore (gilm)
    CR7 DCL Antonio
    0.1 float

    A) Do nothing
    B) Torres --> Raph
    C) Torres --> Raph, Antonio --> Bamford for a -4

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    1. Arvin-ation
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      C without Torres ---> Raph

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    2. We Go Again
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Would wait to see how City lineup midweek before any decisions with Torres

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  18. FFSbet.com
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Mane 10 shots wow,Salah just 3

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    1. We Go Again
      5 years, 1 month ago

      So wasteful today, could have easily had a hat trick

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    2. lilmessipran
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Mane crazy "selfish" and wasteful today imo

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    3. Alisson WondHaaland
      5 years, 1 month ago

      He gets into so many good positions but either gets too greedy or just makes a bad shot. When he eventually gets back into form, he'll be a machine

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    4. F4L
      5 years, 1 month ago

      honestly Mane had a shocker

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  19. Alisson WondHaaland
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Best option?

    A) Coufal to Semedo, play Livramento vs City(A)
    B) Antonio to Jimenez
    C) A&B for -4
    D) Benrahma to Sarr, play Livramento vs City(A)

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    1. C0YS
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Why not Coufal to Marcal?

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      1. Alisson WondHaaland
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Prefer Semedo's attacking threat. Marcals assists were very jammy and I cant see it repeating

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  20. Gudjohnsen
    5 years, 1 month ago

    If I keep Antonio.

    Start Gilmour or Brandon Williams?

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    1. FPL Theorist
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Williams

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      1. C0YS
        5 years, 1 month ago

        +1

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  21. Jinswick
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Thoughts on this unorthodox 4-3-3 WC team and plan?

    Sanchez
    Trent, Shaw, Tierney, Semedo
    Salah, Jota, Pepe
    Vardy, DCL, Bamford/Antonio

    Steele, James, 4.5, 4.5
    Bank 0.0m

    GW6: Save FT
    GW7: Jota & Vardy -> Raphina & Lukaku

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    1. C0YS
      5 years, 1 month ago

      I wouldn’t pre-plan required transfers, get Raphinha & Lukaku right away.

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    2. EffPeeEll
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Rubbish in my opinion.

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  22. sumatera
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 1 month ago

    So is Ramsdale now first choice keeper at Arsenal?

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    1. The Philosopher
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Not yet, but will be sometime down the line this season.

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    2. Alisson WondHaaland
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Would assume so but still early days

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    3. lilmessipran
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Kept a clean sheet after their terrible sheet... his place to lose imo

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      1. lilmessipran
        5 years, 1 month ago

        terrible run*

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  23. C0YS
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Pick 1 for wildcard:
    A) Lukaku, Gallagher, Coady
    B) DCL, Pogba, Aymeric

    Rest of the team below:
    Sanchez
    TAA Marcal Livramento Williams
    Salah Greenwood Gray 4.5
    Ronaldo Antonio

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    1. WVA
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      A

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  24. 03farmboy
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Toney to Calvert lewin this week 1ft??

    Good move

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    1. C0YS
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Yes if he’s fit

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    2. Botman and Robben
      5 years, 1 month ago

      yes

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    3. We Go Again
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Yes

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  25. Athletico Underachieving
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Sanchez
    TAA, White, Shaw, Ayling
    Salah, G’Wood, Sarr, Benrahma, Jota
    Ronaldo

    (Steele, Duffy, Antonio, Scarlett)

    This is what I’d have to play next week if I want to keep Antonio, he’s gotta go right?

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    1. Carlton P
      5 years, 1 month ago

      You’re joking right? I would be happy with that. I’m playing ayling and Duffy and hoping Gilmour or Tsim play

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      1. Athletico Underachieving
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Naa just thinking worst case scenario, ie limited minutes for Jota, Greenwood or Benrahma…only one playing sub. Maybe overly cautious!

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    2. FPLtfs
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      More than OK

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  26. Carlton P
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Just realised I can get to Lukaku by doing greenwood, Torres + Ings > Gallagher, Sarr + Lukaku. giving me the big 4 (Salah, Trent, ronaldo and Lukaku)

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    1. C0YS
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Good transfer. Gallagher > Sarr

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    2. OneJuan
      5 years, 1 month ago

      I'm trying the same thing. It'll cost me -8? How much will your moves cost?

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      1. OneJuan
        5 years, 1 month ago

        *same thing = getting big 4

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      2. Carlton P
        5 years, 1 month ago

        -8 but I’m in no rush. You doing it this/next week?

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        1. OneJuan
          5 years, 1 month ago

          I wanted to do it this week. May not be able to afford it later.

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  27. OneJuan
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Hello all,

    Son, Veltman, Antonio ---> Pogba, Duffy, Lukaku for a -8??

    Trying to wedge Lukaku into my team and worried about Son + Antonio

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    1. FPLtfs
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Son and Antonio -> Lukaku and Raph?

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      1. OneJuan
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Already have Raph. My team is:

        Bach/Forster
        TAA, Shaw, Amartey Tsimi, Veltman --> Duffy
        Raph, Ben, Salah Brownhill, Son --> Pogba
        Ronaldo, Obafemi, Antonio --> Lukaku

        I just make it with 0.1 itb but -8 hit 🙁

        What do you think? worth it?

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        1. FPLtfs
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          5 years, 1 month ago

          If you want Lukaku I would definitely do it, but not for a -8. Feels like that defender move is unnecessary
          Antonio -> Lukaku
          Son -> Sarr

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          1. OneJuan
            5 years, 1 month ago

            Too right. I'm being greedy I guess coz Pogba and Duffy are better for long term points than Sarr/Veltman.

            Good shout though. Thank you

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    2. C0YS
      5 years, 1 month ago

      I would look to downgrade Son to a 5.5 and move Shaw along to keep Antonio and get Lukaku for Obafemi. Doable?

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      1. OneJuan
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Nah..1.3m off. Hard to keep Antonio and Lukaku

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        1. OneJuan
          5 years, 1 month ago

          Just twigged. Shaw to Duffy would get me there... -8 this week or wait till I could next week. Thanks

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  28. tibollom
    5 years, 1 month ago

    2 FT and 1.2 ITB; no need to WC right?

    sanchez foster
    taa tsimi ayling shaw livra
    salah bruno greenwood benny bronwhill
    tonio toney ings

    maybe bruno + Toney to raph/7.1mid + ronaldo?

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    1. C0YS
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Looks good

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    2. We Go Again
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Would go with Raphinha yeah, good moves.

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    3. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Great

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  29. The White Pele
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Sanchez
    Shaw Coady White Livramento Omobamidele
    Salah Jota Greenwood Gray 4.5
    Ronaldo Lukaku Antonio*

    A) Antonio & Livramento to TAA & 4.5 (-4)
    B) save & start Omobamidele

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  30. Alisson WondHaaland
    5 years, 1 month ago

    Mane had an xG of 2.0 today lol

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    1. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 1 month ago

      Can you explain what this means?

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      1. FPLtfs
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 1 month ago

        Should’ve had two goal, just got one.

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