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De Bruyne and Duffy benched as Man City face Brighton in evening kick-off

23 October 2021 1596 comments
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Brighton and Hove Albion v Manchester City is the last of six Premier League matches being contested on Saturday.

Kick-off at the Amex is at 17:30 BST.

There are a couple of high-profile benchings on the south coast in the form of Shane Duffy (£4.4m) and Kevin De Bruyne (£12.0m) but no real shocks aside from that, with the other main players from a Fantasy Premier League (FPL) perspective all involved from kick-off.

Solly March‘s (£5.3m) recall and Duffy’s demotion to the bench is the one change that Graham Potter has made from the side that drew at Norwich last weekend, so Yves Bissouma (£4.5m) once again has to content himself with a place among the substitutes.

Pep Guardiola’s two changes from the midweek Champions League win at Club Bruges sees Gabriel Jesus (£8.6m) and Ilkay Gundogan (£7.2m) come in for De Bruyne and Riyad Mahrez (£8.7m).

Raheem Sterling (£10.7m) misses out as a precaution.

All three of the Manchester City players who can boast a double-digit ownership, Ruben Dias (£6.2m), Joao Cancelo (£6.3m) and Jack Grealish (£7.9m), start this evening.

Cancelo is by some distance the most-owned City asset in the top 10k, with Phil Foden (£8.0m) a distance second:

GAMEWEEK 9 LINE-UPS

Brighton XI: Sanchez, Dunk, Burn, Veltman, Gross, March, Lallana, Moder, Cucurella,Trossard, Maupay.

Subs: Steele, Lamptey, Webster, Connolly, Bissouma, Mac Allister, Mwepu, Duffy, Richards.

Man City XI: Ederson, Walker, Dias, Laporte, Cancelo, Gundogan, Rodri, Bernardo Silva, Grealish, Foden Jesus.

Subs: Steffen, Stones, Ake, Zinchenko, De Bruyne, Fernandinho, Mahrez, Edozie, Palmer.

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  1. Atimis
    5 years, 16 days ago

    So I’ve hit the WC and punted on Havertz while getting rid of Foden…should quit playing FPL, my moves make no sense

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    1. Atimis
      5 years, 16 days ago

      The best I can do is top page post lol

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    2. HonestBlatter
      5 years, 16 days ago

      No just transfer Havertz out Mount in

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      1. Gunners in Haaland
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Too late

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    3. jack88
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Why sell foden. You must be bought him a week or 2 before. He was delivering too.

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      1. Atimis
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Thought WC is good for some punt and was intended to even get Foden back for next week but this week ehhh…

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  2. Rainer
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Leeds play Tuesday night. The first question in his pre-match presser will be about Raphinha.

    Hold them trannies till then at least.

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  3. All The Aces
    5 years, 16 days ago

    I’m pretty sure this is my worst GW in 12 years. Started bad having sold ESR this week.

    Then Captain Hunvertz draws a quite remarkable blank.

    Chilwell starting over Alonso AND scoring compounding my misery.

    Then that Brighton goal doing my double City defence in.

    Raphinha being GBH’d

    What joys will tomorrow bring?

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    1. Crunchie
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Yep same here.

      4 left Salah captain, Trent, Antonio, Vardy, Livra at least to come off the bench for Azpi. No Havertz but a Saka scare almost made me plunge for Mount but never mind. I did not gamble on hits

      Going big in defence worked early and seemed the right thing to do at the time

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    2. Wrong Captain Choice - Ag i…
      5 years, 16 days ago

      The only one's out of that list that was unlucky is the loss of the City clean sheet and Raphinha been injured. The rest is not that much of a shock and self inflicted damage. I brought ESR in two gws ago as I could see the flashes he has in games. Plus was great value.

      Raphinha looked very lively for Leeds by the way. Everytime he got the ball there was danger. I got him in for a -4. And will be keeping. Even 30 mins v Norwich he could do well.

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  4. FOO FIGHTER
    5 years, 16 days ago

    How bad did Broja look when he came off for Soton?

    Yellow flag ankle...

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  5. _Ninja_
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Have exact funds for Alonso/Raph to Chilwell/Foden.. worth the risk?

    Sanchez
    TAA Alonso Cancelo
    Salah Raphinha Havertz Sarr Gray
    Vardy Antonio

    Steele Dennis Livra Marcal

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    1. Rio Angora Mohair
      5 years, 16 days ago

      100%

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    2. La Roja
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Only if it’s for free

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      1. Salah’s Sonnet
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Even for hits

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      2. _Ninja_
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Would be -4 but I think it could be worth it over the next few weeks.

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    3. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Yes from me.

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    4. Atimis
      5 years, 16 days ago

      You would get rid of Raph against Nor if he is fit?

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    5. el polako
      5 years, 16 days ago

      *disclaimer

      You not getting today's points.

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    6. FOO FIGHTER
      5 years, 16 days ago

      If it feels right then do it. I will be getting Foden in as well for Raphinha.

      Play your own game.

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    7. _Ninja_
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Cheers all

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    8. g40steve
      5 years, 16 days ago

      100%

      See below similar moves 🙂

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  6. BeWater
    5 years, 16 days ago

    The best part about today is that it's over.

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    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Indeed, season needs to end

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  7. Salah’s Sonnet
    5 years, 16 days ago

    I absolutely give up, like seriously what is the point of FPL?

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    1. Rainer
      5 years, 16 days ago

      New season, new username, same you 😆

      Cya tomorrow!

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      1. Salah’s Sonnet
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Your point being?

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      2. Salah’s Sonnet
        5 years, 16 days ago

        You expect me to change for you? Lol same old boring noob you

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    2. Will Kane
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Mate just log off and go for a walk, it's just a game

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    3. Cok3y5murf
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Why not just change your name again and moan more?

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      1. Salah’s Sonnet
        5 years, 16 days ago

        How about you feck off

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      2. GreennRed
        5 years, 16 days ago

        You could give tutorials

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    4. Steve The Spud
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      No point, hours of time invested each week for a game that’s 95% luck in order to get it to the top 10k of a game you’ll never ever win that even if you do win has a pathetic first prize

      See you next week

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      1. Salah’s Sonnet
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Ridiculous Isn’t it

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    5. PartyTime
      5 years, 16 days ago

      This game is a waste of time

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      1. Qaiss
        5 years, 16 days ago

        It is yeah, next season I’ll just look at my team once a week and not have expectations. When you get very into this game, it becomes less fun because it’s 50% skill and 50% luck.

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        1. PartyTime
          5 years, 16 days ago

          Yes but It’s 70% luck 30% skill imo

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          1. Qaiss
            5 years, 16 days ago

            I’d even agree with that tbh

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        2. Cok3y5murf
          5 years, 16 days ago

          Research has shown that it is around 65% skill...

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          1. Qaiss
            5 years, 16 days ago

            What research?

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            1. Cok3y5murf
              5 years, 16 days ago

              A Twitter thread from some analyst. Either way, it's always been more skill than luck. I can tell you've had a bad gameweek/season and being salty. FYI, I'm having a bad gameweek too

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              1. Qaiss
                5 years, 16 days ago

                Why is everything you say on this site just out of pure spite? You and that Ginkapo dude are something else. I had a very good season last season and the one before.

                I am on 27 points, the average.

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                1. Cok3y5murf
                  5 years, 16 days ago

                  Then why the whole 50% skill 50% luck? You know that's nonsense. Over the long term, your skill shows. In a single gameweek, a lot of luck for sure. I'm on fewer points than you this week

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                  1. Qaiss
                    5 years, 16 days ago

                    Say I went for a 3 week punt this GW, Havertz or Mount. Currently 21 point swing, when either option would have been great this week. Are you saying that’s luck or skill, for such a big point swing? It’s luck. That point swing could be the difference between top 10k and finishing outside the top 20k (think it’s usually 25 points or so?). I know skill wins over the season but these days, the skill is getting less and less with so much spoon feeding anyway.

                    Even 35% luck is still pretty high.

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                    1. Cok3y5murf
                      5 years, 16 days ago

                      This gameweek, that's luck and a 21-point swing. Over the 3 weeks (which haven't happened yet), that swing will be different. Honestly, they are both unproven, "punty" picks.

                      And for every example where you got unlucky like this, there are examples where you would get lucky over the season too. It's not always unlucky outcomes. For instance, when I picked Benrahma in GW1, I really didn't expect him to do that well. That was hardly any skill and more of just luck. I could've easily picked a Buendia or Bowen instead.

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                    2. Qaiss
                      5 years, 16 days ago

                      I didn’t pick Havertz btw, I just used that as an example.

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          2. Salah’s Sonnet
            5 years, 16 days ago

            100% luck

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          3. PartyTime
            5 years, 16 days ago

            Cok3y5murf research?

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        3. Arteta
          5 years, 16 days ago

          Same here. We're in too deep and it has to stop someday.

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        4. Edalock
          5 years, 16 days ago

          More like 10% luck 90% skill... Else casuals will win after 38 GWs instead of 8.

          Think it's mostly proper planning. Yet to take a hit this season and I just moved from 72k to 11k pending tomorrow's results. Bought and captained Chilwell cos I expended the CS and saw him retaining his spot.

          https://fantasy.premierleague.com/entry/196024/event/9

          It's a marathon, you'll be fine if you're playing the long game

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          1. PartyTime
            5 years, 16 days ago

            What if a manager is a victim of PL refs making wrong decisions & never at the right end of it in the game

            Would it still be 10% luck?

            Other scenarios including roulette & injuries. Things that one can’t really use skill to solve when the gw is locked in.

            Imo, 10% luck is rubbish

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    6. Qaiss
      5 years, 16 days ago

      To not be so engaged with it. It’s meant to be something for fun, not to the point where you watch a football match to watch your 4.5 defender lose a clean sheet in the 90th minute.

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      1. PartyTime
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Hahaha 😆

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    7. Pinturicchio10
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Give what up?

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      1. Salah’s Sonnet
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Wow

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        1. Pinturicchio10
          5 years, 16 days ago

          What?

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    8. riot
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      lol, part of growing up is learning to take losses with wins. lots of us have had catastrophic gameweeks, you don't need to whine and make it desperately obvious that you thirst for attention and pity from random forum users who don't even seem to like you very much

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    9. Bushwhacker
      5 years, 16 days ago

      As long as you understand its 90% luck then you just have to ride it. Havertz owners quitting in mass numbers.

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    10. im1974
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Give up then. No one will miss your constant whinging

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  8. Bubz
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Was Havertz bad enough to be benched next game?

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    1. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      No. They need a CF. He will play again. Hold.

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    2. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Did alright in terms of making space for other Chelsea players
      Imagine he will play again but not very good for FPL!

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    3. GreennRed
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Depends on who's available. Quality player, one game doesn't define him.

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    4. Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Lukaku/Havertz will never be a good option because of the way Chelsea operate but people just get get sucked into picking "the bloke up top"

      The overloads mean that Chilwell/James and to a lesser extent Mount/Kova will always be better options for FPL in Tuchel's system.

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    5. Firminooooo
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Not sure, but don’t think I will make him captain again…..arrrghhh

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    6. Bushwhacker
      5 years, 16 days ago

      He was man of the match.

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  9. el polako
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Guaita, Cancelo, KDB, Raphina, Gallagher.
    No Foden, Mount or Chillwell

    I feel sick.

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    1. Botman and Robben
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Get Chilly.

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  10. Salan
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Alonso and A.Armstrong have to go immediately, even by -4 or -8. No sense to keep them anymore.

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    1. FOO FIGHTER
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Broja is yellow flagged

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  11. Botman and Robben
    5 years, 16 days ago

    1FT, 2.1ITB.

    Who to take out first? Jota? Still have WC if more outs needed.

    Sanchez
    TAA Livramento Rudiger
    Salah Jota Greenwood Sarr
    Jimenez Antonio Vardy

    Steele White Brownhill Amartey

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    1. FOO FIGHTER
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Jota > Foden

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      1. Botman and Robben
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Nice. Hope he gets nailed onish for the next few.

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    2. BOATIES FC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Too early to say Abu moves but no need for WC yet

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    3. FOO FIGHTER
      5 years, 16 days ago

      But WC looks an option to jack that midfield up and getting Chilwell.

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      1. Botman and Robben
        5 years, 16 days ago

        I don't want a CHE double up D. So Rudi would have to go. Tommorow's games will give a clearer picture I hope.

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  12. Rupert The Horse
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Man I love this game. So much fun.

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    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Sarcasm at its finest

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      1. im1974
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Thought you’d quit?

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    2. Bushwhacker
      5 years, 16 days ago

      It is and will always be a game of luck.

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  13. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Alonso and Greenwood to Chilwell and Foden freeing up 0.1 for my team, seems a no brainier??!!

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    1. Rupert The Horse
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Yep

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    2. BeWater
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Yes. Alonso has to go.

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      1. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Big time mate!! Cannot wait to get rid!!

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    3. Botman and Robben
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Alonso is priority to go.

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      1. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Was always the plan this week I held 0.5 to do Alonso to Cancelo this week, but wonder if I’m better going for Chilwell instead, and that leaves me the funds to get Greenwood out for Foden!!

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    4. g40steve
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Yes

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      1. 1912 F.A Cup Winners
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Cheers mate!! I think I’m going to make those moves!!

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  14. Hey_Arnold
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Kovacic or ESR for the foreseeable? Have Townsend and Gray, thinking of replacing Townsend as Gray has a bit more creativity... But for which one?

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    1. BeWater
      5 years, 16 days ago

      ESR

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  15. jack88
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Listen folks, dont panic.
    Mount, foden, king aren’t heavily owned. This is still a low scoring gw. Keep patience and you will see the bigger picture and wont take unnecessary hits

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  16. Kay317
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Do you think James will get a run in the side now Chelsea?
    And anyone know how serious Raphinha injury looks?

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    1. BeWater
      5 years, 16 days ago

      No way to tell. Chelsea have so many options at RWB and RCB. If I had him I'd just keep, play every week and accept the benchings and 1 point cameos.

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  17. JONALDINHO
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Just seen Mahrez scored. Mahrez to Havertz gone well. Who would’ve thought he’d outscore him in 4 minutes while Havertz comes away with nothing as the striker in a side who score 7. This game is really starting to annoy me. You plan for these sort of decisions and every little thing goes against you. Time after time after time again. Its got to the point where you force yourself to laugh to stop the pain

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    1. Qaiss
      5 years, 16 days ago

      It’s 50% luck, 50% skill. With so much luck involved, why get so engaged in the first place?

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      1. Bushwhacker
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Its 90% luck. 10% persevering.

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    2. Salah’s Sonnet
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Game is a pathetic joke

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    3. PartyTime
      5 years, 16 days ago

      It’s as if the game hates us

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    4. GreennRed
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Pain?

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  18. g40steve
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Thoughts?

    Alonso & Saka > Chilwell & Foden -4

    Exact money.

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    1. Qaiss
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Alonso yeah but don’t get rid of Saka, that’s point chasing. He was unlucky not to score yesterday.

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      1. g40steve
        5 years, 16 days ago

        But not setting world alight 3, 0, 2 & price dropped

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    2. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Would be tempted by just former and avoiding the hit
      Saka plays a leaky Leicester next, is more nailed and actually had not dissimilar xGI this week (0.91 vs. 1.04)

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  19. Weeb Kakashi
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Any Chance Raphinha comes back next week?

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    1. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Might hear more in EFL cup press conference

      Raphinha has a “knock” according to Marcelo Bielsa but they don’t know the extent of the injury just yet.

      It looked nastier than a knock in real time that’s for sure.

      #LUFC 1-1 #WWFC
      https://twitter.com/benaramsdale/status/1451946120762978309?s=21

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  20. Liberate HK - antichinazi
    5 years, 16 days ago

    60 from 8 with Salah, Vardy, Toney left...

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    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Ok

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    2. MGMT
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Surely a red arrow

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    3. xHaTr
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Nobody cares

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    4. im1974
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Good darts

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  21. Art Vandelay
    5 years, 16 days ago

    FPL makes you so greedy. Despite having a cracking Gameweek (Foden, Mount and James) I am still throwing darts at Ederson for giving away that penalty (Cancelo and Laporte)

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    1. el polako
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Go and feck yourself.

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      1. Art Vandelay
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Charming 😆

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        1. el polako
          5 years, 16 days ago

          *kiss* 😉

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          1. Art Vandelay
            5 years, 16 days ago

            😀

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    2. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Ha, dude your Foden, Mount and James combo of 55 points alone is more than double the GW average..!

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      1. Art Vandelay
        5 years, 16 days ago

        I know, which is my point.

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    3. xHaTr
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Nobody cares

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  22. Jinswick
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Attempt 2…

    https://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2021/10/21/the-fpl-players-on-the-watchlist-ahead-of-gameweek-9/?hc_page=4&hc_sort_by=comment_date#hc_comment_24272549

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  23. pundit of punts
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Salah(c) + Vardy + TAA to go.

    OR 951 😯

    Can I be inside top 500 after the gw ends? 🙂

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    1. Salah’s Sonnet
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Who cares

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      1. pundit of punts
        5 years, 16 days ago

        🙂

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    2. Jinswick
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Cracking start!

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      1. pundit of punts
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Cheers

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    3. Art Vandelay
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Great stuff. Keep it going.

      How many points?

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      1. pundit of punts
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Cheers

        GW - 67
        Overall - 617

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        1. Art Vandelay
          5 years, 16 days ago

          601 with Mbuemo and Antonio. Coming to get ya...

          😆

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          1. pundit of punts
            5 years, 16 days ago

            Nicely done

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    4. Sun Jihai
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Genius!

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      1. pundit of punts
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Don’t know about that

        Thanks mate 🙂

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    5. Camzy
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      No.

      Most players have 5+ players to go. 3 guys won't cut it especially if you captained Salah with the herd.

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      1. pundit of punts
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Probably right

        Will be happy to be inside 1k tbh

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    6. FOO FIGHTER
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Well done bro!

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      1. pundit of punts
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Cheers

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    7. GOTHAM City F.C.
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Wonderbar

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      1. pundit of punts
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Cheers

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    8. Pat Bonner
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      5 years, 16 days ago

      About time you had a decent season

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      1. pundit of punts
        5 years, 16 days ago

        Very true

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  24. Riverside Red
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Should Ederson to be dropped after throwing away another City clean sheet...the man is a liability..

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    1. Bushwhacker
      5 years, 16 days ago

      He’s bored.

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  25. DA Minnion (Former great)
    5 years, 16 days ago

    It's never good when you've less points after subs come in. Shocking stuff. 19 with 4 to go.
    Salah captain.

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  26. Gudjohnsen
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Which one needs to leave my team first?

    A. A.Armstrong
    B. Tierney
    C. Raphinha

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  27. Andy_Social
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Hate to do an early transfer, but I've got the exact money to sell Duffy for Chilwell and it ain't gonna be there tomorrow. Fingers crossed.

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    1. BeWater
      5 years, 16 days ago

      I would absolutely do that.

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  28. GOTHAM City F.C.
    5 years, 16 days ago

    FPL managers who moan too much aren't capable of managing themselves

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    1. Bubz
      5 years, 16 days ago

      It’s quite helpful to vent on here and then forget about it though to be fair

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      1. GOTHAM City F.C.
        5 years, 16 days ago

        There must be some level of control. Beyond a point it makes the forum too negative for the rest.

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        1. Bubz
          5 years, 16 days ago

          True

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  29. GreennRed
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Was Duffy rested? Benched and they were schooled so still a good option presumably.

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    1. Andy_Social
      5 years, 16 days ago

      Yes, and he is. Alas, he's my only way in for Chilwell, so he gets sacrificed now. Thanks for your 37 points Duff, 'preciate it.

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      1. GreennRed
        5 years, 16 days ago

        I'll keep him. 4th defender. Got him for 4.0. Thankfully he's also playing great stuff for Ireland too.

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  30. Pirlø's Pen
    5 years, 16 days ago

    Alonso, Raphinha, Armstrong
    -8
    Chilwell, Foden, Broja.

    Smash it?

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    1. GreennRed
      5 years, 16 days ago

      No. Raphinha status unkown at this time.

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      1. Pirlø's Pen
        5 years, 16 days ago

        He’s crocked

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        1. GreennRed
          5 years, 16 days ago

          He might be tonight, but officially he's just had a knock. Sell him when you know he'll definitely be out for next GW. Gonna be loads of hits taken before then, one or two less can help your Or.

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