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Ex-FPL winner Simon March: How to avoid getting carried away with your GW1 picks

US General Omar Bradley was once quoted as saying, “Amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics”. The idea behind the quote is that strategy, while undeniably important, is merely abstract thought without a plan to put it into practice. The ability to formulate and execute that plan is what really distinguishes the men from the boys.

We talk a lot about strategy in Fantasy Premier League (FPL) but comparatively little about logistics and, in all fairness, strategy is just an all-round more compelling subject. Whether or not to go ‘five at the back’ or target high-risk differentials is inherently interesting; how you implement that strategy is typically not.

But as we head into a series of Double Gameweeks, our strategy becomes somewhat dictated to us. There will, of course, still be differences but there is likely to be substantial homogeneity in terms of which teams we invest in and which players we back. Therefore, how we get to where we want to get to with our squads becomes more important than ever. A template might form, but how quickly and efficiently you can get to that template becomes a potentially significant source of an advantage.

Logistics

‘Logistics’ has been described as ‘the detailed organisation and implementation of a complex operation’ and scholars and practitioners in the field often discuss the discipline around certain pillars: Planning and Information, Inventory and Packaging, and Transport. This article will consider how these pillars might be applied to FPL.

Planning & Information

How Everton's improved defence has damaged Calvert-Lewin's supply lines

In logistics, planning is essentially a means of establishing order among ever-changing and often unpredictable circumstances. You cannot plan for everything, but without a plan, you will always be reacting and this will increase the likelihood of errors and inefficiency.

After taking a few months off, planning is officially back for FPL and more important than ever. By now, you’re probably all familiar with planning tools like the Season Ticker, Rate My Team and the Transfer Planner and all of these, and more, have a part to play in a comprehensive FPL plan.

We also all know that a week is a long time in FPL and planning can often feel redundant but the process of actually sitting down, looking at the fixtures, examining what your squad looks like now and how you would like it to evolve over five to six Gameweeks is an extremely beneficial practice.

When I do this, I tend to spot all sorts of inefficiencies either in my existing squad or with my intended transfer targets integrated into it. It’s easy to think that a certain player has good fixtures or prospects over the next six Gameweeks and therefore must be a good prospect, but it’s only when you plan out your squad over that period that you see how much, if any, added value they might actually provide. If they are going to end up on your bench or edge out a player with reasonably similar prospects, they probably aren’t an efficient use of your resources.

Naturally, good information is key, be it in terms of fixture difficulty, player availability or, particularly right now, Double Gameweek prospects. With FPL announcing Double Gameweeks like Newcastle United announced deadline-day signings, keeping on top of the current situation and having an idea of those that are likely to see several Double Gameweeks in the future (e.g. Leicester City and Everton) is important not only for short-term transfers but, also, longer-term chip strategies. Knowledge, as they say, is power.

READ MORE: What we know about the Blank and Double Gameweeks

Inventory and Packaging

Who are the best FPL captain options for Double Gameweek 21?

In logistics, inventory and packaging focuses on meeting consumer demand in the most efficient way possible. Often, this comes down to how much available transportation or warehousing space can be utilised and for how long.

FPL is largely about how many points you can generate out of your available budget and maximising this demands that this budget is used efficiently. If, like me for example, you have been carrying West Ham’s Michail Antonio (£7.8m) since Gameweek-whatever, you could be forgiven for feeling like you’ve been transporting several tonnes of mouldy fish over this time. Whatever the reasons for Antonio’s survival in my squad, it has evidently not been an efficient use of the resources available to me. Carrying this sort of ‘dead weight’ is the kind of thing that planning is designed to avoid.

One factor that often leads to such inefficiency is FPL’s equivalent of packaging; ‘player prices’ or, rather, how we distribute player prices across our team. At various points in this current season, we’ve seen trends for ‘big at the back’, ‘big in the middle’ and ‘big up front’, and this very fact alone should illustrate that it is never a good idea to get too invested in one area.

In the same way that space and packaging can be conducive to maximising transport load, having a range of price options across your squad can help to maximise the use of your budget. For example; while your premium midfielder might have let you down recently, his presence means you can easily move to another premium midfielder who might deliver more. This might not be possible if you had 5 premium defenders or a lot invested up front in your forwards. Viewing player prices as interchangeable ‘slots’ that you can move players in and out of can help you better manage the ever-changing dynamics present in FPL.

Transport

Foden and Gallagher uncertainty as Ranieri explains early Dennis substitution 2

Transport is about getting from A to B as quickly as possible while maintaining the condition of the cargo and minimising the cost, and what is another word for ‘transport’?

Transfers are how we get from A to B in FPL and are, arguably, the most important tool available to Fantasy managers. The objective is always to get the team you want in as few transfers as possible and, of course, by spending as few points as possible.

Everything discussed thus far should help facilitate optimal use of transfers but there are other things to consider, particularly with respect to timing and duration. In the same way that it is possible to move items too early, only for them to take up warehouse space or spoil, it is possible to make transfers too early. 

For example, if a player has a good run of fixtures in a few Gameweeks’ time, it might feel like good planning to get them in early, but it is often just a waste of your short-term resources. Furthermore, you can physically make transfers too early, as we have seen all too often this season, only for the player to be rendered unavailable nearer to the Gameweek’s start. There’s a reason that ‘just in time’ is such a desirable standard in logistics. 

But there is also the issue of being too short-termist when it comes to transfers. There are occasions when a ‘one-week-punt’ is justified but, as somebody who hates taking hits, I’m a big fan of approaching transfers in the way that Warren Buffet approaches picking stocks and considering whether, if I had to, I would be happy to hold this player for the long-term. 

I tend to avoid players where the answer would be ‘no’ and I find that this approach tends to reduce the transfers I use as, even if I don’t plan to hold the player for a long time, should circumstances mean that I have to, at least it’s not a total waste of my resources.

Summary

A few points can make all the difference in FPL and, thus, it pays to take guidance from disciplines where precision is vital. As in the field of logistics, planning and information, how we order or ‘package’ the players within our squads and how we get from A to B in terms of our transfer plans as quickly and with as little waste as possible, can be significant to succeeding in FPL, particularly at this point in the season where the demands for rigour and precision are greater than ever.

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  1. RyanMK
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    1 or 2?

    1. Jota, Ronaldo to Salah, Weghorst
    2. KDB, Ronaldo to Salah, Kane

    1. Kitman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      2 sounds good- keep Jota

      worth getting a mahrez or foden or laporte for your citeh

  2. Kitman
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Got 9 DGWers and as such some big players on the bench. Play one of

    - Foden
    - Cancelo
    - Buendia
    - Broja

    1. Kitman
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      alternatively, i could maybe bench King for an additional

    2. El Presidente
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Crazy to bench City

      1. Kitman
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        also crazy to bench a double game weeker you could say?

        1. El Presidente
          • 6 Years
          3 years, 9 months ago

          Idk. Depends. I think people tend to loose track of basics on a DGW. City can easily win 2-0, 3-0 and both of those haul and outscore a number of DGW players in the process.

    3. Brehmeren
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Bench Dennis and play Cancelo and Foden

    4. Guba
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      I'd play Cancelo I think, tough one. Don't think Foden is worth benching Dennis for but only marginally.

  3. Buck The Trent
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Would you do DDG, Dawson, Dalot to Ramsdale, Tierney, Kilman for -8?

    Effectively -8 for 3 extra matches

    Will FH27

    1. King Kohli
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Yes

    2. Feed tha Sheep
      • 13 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Prob would yeah

  4. dshv
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Choose.

    1. Ronaldo Foden -> Jimenez Salah (2FT)

    2. Ronald Foden Regui -> Salah Laca White (-4)

    1. Geordie19
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      1

    2. TopBinFC
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      I def wouldnt be selling any city assets

      1. dshv
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        Will bring somebody on jota’s place next gw

  5. Geordie19
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Do we think Raph to Son for a -4 is a good idea or hold?
    (Would take me to -8)

    1. Test Eagles
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Thinking the same… can’t quite pull the trigger!

    2. TopBinFC
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Hell no, Spurs have a tough DGW, Leeds do too but not for a hit

  6. Botman and Robben
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Saka or Son, Son or Saka...grrr

    1. AbsolutelyNoIdea
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Saka

    2. TopBinFC
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      This GW Saka, long term Son

  7. FF Dirtbag
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Team for next GW: 1 FT and 0 ITB.
    DDG
    TAA* Cancelo Laporte White*
    Salah*(TC) Jota* Fernandes Bowen Saka*
    Weghorst*

    Gunn; Maupay, Broja, Webster

    Main question:
    A) Save FT (have 2 FT for gw27)
    B) use FT for another DGWer?

  8. AbsolutelyNoIdea
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 7 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Which two out of :

    Edouard, King, Watkins, Coufal

  9. Pep Roulette
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Bernardo to Saka or Ronaldo to Laca?

    1. Pep Roulette
      • 8 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Will bench the other one

    2. Utopsis
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      I have a theory that Laca struggles against a back 3. Both Brentford and Wolves play with a back 3.

      1. The Magician
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 8 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        I have a theory that Laca just struggles.

        1. Utopsis
          • 5 Years
          3 years, 9 months ago

          Lol

    3. TopBinFC
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Laca, although i wouldnt bench any city

  10. Test Eagles
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Need to bench two of:

    1) Rafinha (MUN, liv)
    2) Antonio (NEW)
    3) Watkins (WAT)
    4) Candelo (TOT)
    5) Coutinho (WAT)

    1. TopBinFC
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      2&3 easy, both are a sell

    2. BECKS TO THE FUTURE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      2 and 3 for me.

  11. Totti
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    what is the plan guys for gameweek 27?
    freehit or what to do?

    1. TopBinFC
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      No FH, going without Arsenal assets this DGW, FH will be more useful in bigger blank GWs

    2. fricky_
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Probably not

    3. Nate(U)dog(ie)
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      I'll have 9 players for it, going to use my FT to bring in one more. Was planning on taking a hit to field 11 but the hit would have been to remove a player I wanted to keep and would have gotten back so it makes little sense

  12. NUFCAndrew
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    2 FTs & 0.6 ITB. Any ideas on how to improve this?

    DDG 4.0

    Cancelo Trent Reguillon Lamptey Livra

    Salah Jota Bowen Raph 4.5

    Cr7 Watkins king

  13. EL tridente
    • 8 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Bruno, Bernardo and Antonio to Salah, Saka and Weghorst

    1. Guba
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      looks decent if you have a plan for GW27 blank

    2. Ronnies
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Isn't Weghorst a doubt ?

  14. PikeyMikey
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Who to play for DGW 26?

    Dier (City Away Burnley Away)
    Antonio (Newcastle Home)

    Dier is 50% fit atm but expected to be OK.. Antonio is highly owned and got a home fixture..

    1. Test Eagles
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Antonio. Can see him shaking the monkey off the back this round. He smashed Newcastle in the early season fixture.

      1. TopBinFC
        • 3 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        Newcastle are a very different team now, and Antonio is a very different player now.

  15. Flynny
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Hi....is Bruno to son worth - 4 this week?

    Spurs have the double (including City, but utd have Leeds...)

    I need the cash to upgrade elsewhere but could put the hit off till gw27....thanks

    1. DALEDOBACK
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      I've done it for free and got rid of KDB now questioning the decision.

    2. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Bruno likely worth holding v Leeds.

      But Son has scored 7 goals in 14 v Manchester City so is a decent option, with the Burnley game to follow.

    3. Apwilkin
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      I’m debating the same thing. Will probably just flip a coin before the deadline at this point…

      1. Flynny
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        It's an annoying one.

        I usually wouldn't do it.

        But I need the cash saving to avoid the gw27 free hit.....

        I might hold off for now

  16. DALEDOBACK
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Foster
    Trent, Cancelo, Tierney, Digne
    Son, Bowen, Salah, Jota, Mahrez
    Edouard

    DDG, Broja, Dalot, Richardson

    Anything worth a hit here? Foster or DDG?

  17. Atimis
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Would you rather play:

    1. CR7 or Ramsey + Saka
    2. Coufal or Ramsey + Laca/Kane/Jim/CR7

    ?

    FH GW27

    1. Kaptenen
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      1

    2. Monty123
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Coufal + Laca just edge it in my opinion, but Kane plays in 27 too and can be held for at least 6 games

      1. Atimis
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        FH27 anyway but interesting point, Laca with potential DGW28 is tempting but hasn't been scoring a lot

  18. AC/DC AFC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Is it completely mad to transfer KDB and Antonio to Saka and Broja...

    And have over £10m itb.

    I'm planning to TC Salah, so the question is threefold... are these transfers better than for other premiums like Son, Bruno or Ronaldo?

    If so, does Saka beat KDB over 2 games? Or simply best to hold with KDB?

    1. Kaptenen
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Risky for sure but I like it, really fancy Saka to do well in 26.

    2. The Mentaculus
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Good moves imo. I guess KDB is now a safer starter over the next few weeks with the 5 goal buffer v Sporting, but I think Saka in should be a priority. Can always use the money to pick up Son/Kane next week..?

  19. Kaptenen
    • 9 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Will I lose my selling value of 7.6 for Antonio if he drops from 7.8 to 7.7? (Bought for 7.5)

    1. onceuponatyne
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 11 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Yep.

      1. Kaptenen
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers!

      2. onceuponatyne
        • Fantasy Football Scout Member
        • 11 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        Doh, no - no you won't. Fail.

    2. The Gambler.
      • 16 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Sorry this annoys me, its basic math

      1. Kaptenen
        • 9 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        Haha, had to make sure 🙂

      2. rokonto
        • 10 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        Ikr, has 2b trollin

    3. Guba
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      No

    4. Buck The Trent
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Nope

    5. El Presidente
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      No

    6. Botman and Robben
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      No.

    7. NATSTER
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      No. You bought 7.5 and earn 0.1 on every 0.2 increase.

      Your profit is now 0.1 and will remain 0.1 if he doesn't drop to 7.6

    8. Kaptenen
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Cheers all 🙂

  20. NATSTER
    • 15 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Hi

    Two starters needed from these four players. Who would you pick?

    A) Ait Nouri (LEI, ars) or Digne (WAT)
    B) Édouard (CHE, wat) or Ramsey (WAT)

    I'm leaning to select both DGW players to maximise the opportunity, but unsure with security of their start.

    1. Buck The Trent
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Digne Eduard

      1. NATSTER
        • 15 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        Umm.. Right, Digne (WAT) looks good potential for points.

    2. TopBinFC
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Yeah go DGW

    3. El Presidente
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      DGW can easily both be rotated

      1. NATSTER
        • 15 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        The rotation looks likely from the pattern of last two weeks.

    4. Kaptenen
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Both dgwers, RAN & Edouard

      1. NATSTER
        • 15 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers. I think I'm sure to start Edouard. Just Digne or Ait Nouri now.

  21. The Gambler.
    • 16 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Stumped!

    A) TC Salah
    B) BB DDG (leeds), Maupay (BUR), Veltman (BUR) and Ramsey (WAT)

    1. TopBinFC
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      A easy, Leeds will score, Burnley are tough to crack and same for Watford

    2. Kaptenen
      • 9 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      A

    3. Big_Andy_GAWA
      • 14 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Easy decision, surely!??

    4. Boom XhakaLacaSaka
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      a

    5. BECKS TO THE FUTURE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      A for sure.

  22. Big_Andy_GAWA
    • 14 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Apparently Tierney not seen in yesterday's training pics. 😮

    1. The Gambler.
      • 16 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      He was doing social media stuff

      Tiktoks

    2. Pukkipartyy
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      whaaat...

  23. Boom XhakaLacaSaka
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Hit Required?? 0.0 itb

    Guatia
    Taa Cash Cancelo Kilman
    Bowen Salah (c) Jota ESR
    Kane King

    Foster Foden Broja Dalot

    A) Bench Boost
    B) Triple Captain

    1. BECKS TO THE FUTURE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Guatia to Ramsdale.

      Maybe play Broja over Cash?!

      TC Salah.

      1. Boom XhakaLacaSaka
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        Cant afford that move

  24. BECKS TO THE FUTURE
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 3 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Do we think -8 for DDG, Dias, & Jamsey to Ramsdale, White (can't afford Tierney), & Saka is too much? Rest of the team: TAA, Cancelo, Coady; Salah (TC), Jota, Bowen, Son; & Dennis.

    I plan to FH27 as will have three ARS & 3 LIV.

    1. The Mentaculus
      • 4 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Looks good, I'd take the -8

  25. boc610
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Ben White: the meat and potatoes choice of gunners defenders, always starts, can sneak a bap or two and not made of glass like Tierney 🙂

    1. BECKS TO THE FUTURE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Makes me feel a little better about not being able to afford Tierney or Gabriel.

    2. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      No goals and no assists.

      You could get Gabriel too?

    3. Well you know, Triffic
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Also plays like a sack of potatoes sometimes

    4. Forgetmeknot
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Yep agreed - think I’ll be getting him over ramsdale

    5. Nate(U)dog(ie)
      • 5 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Still amazed by that interview of his a few weeks back where he said he never watched football and barely knew who Patrick Vieira was

  26. kellamergh
    • 6 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Anything worth a hit?

    Ramsdale
    Cancelo TAA Laporte Tierney
    Raphinha Jota Bowen Son Salah(TC)
    King

    Foster Coufal Watkins Davis

    1.2m itb

    FH gw27

    1. BECKS TO THE FUTURE
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 3 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      No, that's a solid team. GTG.

      Maybe Raph to Saka?

    2. Boom XhakaLacaSaka
      • 6 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Coufal > Wolves defender or Davis > Broja

      1. kellamergh
        • 6 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        Cheers guys. Somet to think about.

  27. AC/DC AFC
    • Fantasy Football Scout Member
    • 10 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Who is the better Arsenal defender overall for points,

    Tierney for assists or Gabriel for goals?

    1. Well you know, Triffic
      • 15 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Tierney

    2. Cojones of Destiny
      • 7 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      Gabriel

  28. Well you know, Triffic
    • 15 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    3 articles within a few hours of each other....quality not quantity please.

    1. AC/DC AFC
      • Fantasy Football Scout Member
      • 10 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      The last part of the transport analogy was stretching it a bit!

      1. Well you know, Triffic
        • 15 Years
        3 years, 9 months ago

        Didn't read any of them. What's the point if another is due to drop in a few hours?

        1. Skonto Rigga
          • Fantasy Football Scout Member
          • Has Moderation Rights
          • 8 Years
          3 years, 9 months ago

          Does it take you more than a few hours to read an article?

          1. Well you know, Triffic
            • 15 Years
            3 years, 9 months ago

            No it takes 2 seconds to apply the scroll wheel.

            1. demob
              • 8 Years
              3 years, 9 months ago

              What an ingrate

  29. winchester
    • 5 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    have 1ft and 0.2m itb. what should be done here? have currently 8 dgw players. will TC salah. will not use fh on 27. planning to do fh or wc around gw 30.

    foster*
    taa* cancelo reguilon*
    bruno salah* bowen jota* saka*
    edouard* dennis*

    (ddg watkins keane livra)

    a) bruno -> ?
    b) reguilon -> ?
    c) ddg -> ramsdale
    d) save

  30. Feed tha Sheep
    • 13 Years
    3 years, 9 months ago

    Ronaldo > Kane (-4)?

    1. boombaba
      • 12 Years
      3 years, 9 months ago

      im not